Got it, saw VDH at the top of the tier list in the screencap - I will now play VDH, focusing on gearing one now and spend the next six weeks on getting it ready to run the meta comp in s2 Thanks Yoda!
The VDH Tierset will get nerfed, don’t waste ur time in gearing a VDH. It’s not supposed to give you the things a meta hard cast does. Thinking it won’t is delusional
Happy to see high end tanks finally calling out Blizzard. The modern Devs have no clue and they barely test. They need actual players to tell them what to do. Pathetic
They have been doing that for years. Blizzard are just too stubborn to take their feedback during PTR, outside of bug fixes. They always wait until 3+ months into the season when most people are done anyway. The way things are looking so far with dungeon changes, and no real changes to tanks, I'll probably skip the season as I don't feel like playing Paladin again.
what do you mean? as far as I can remember, the stance of any high profile tank was "" every tank is mostly fine, they can do AOTC and +10."" then they all instantly swap to the FOTM tank for key / comp requirement for raid
Despite this, whatever happens im already set on playing and pushing high as VDH during s2. Never played entire patch as one. Thanks for the summary Yoda
Brew is actually very very strong. I was doing about 1.5-1.6m overall in the new dungeon and didn't have any problems surviving. VDH's do less than me.
I guess VDH is not bugged but the skill description saying its activating "Metamorpohosis" but not "entering demon form", so refreshing all the fel scarred abilities is correct in this situation, the only problem is if blizzard is going to change the description back to "demon form", but if this is the case, basically VDH got nothing change from 11.0 to 11.1, then the whole season would probably become Prot pal meta again
Devs: "lets give all the tanks a 2pc that says they *CAST* their big defensive randomly from taking damage. That should be pretty easy to keep tuned for all of them." VDH: "is this some kind of joke?"
The Talent of Raging regen (+regrowth etc.) is Kind of a Nerf to Ragin regen, since it Spreads of the Same heal oder 5 seconds. But I guess the you the extra 10% increased healing so its a wash. I with it would just be the same healing but over longer duration or a small cdr as well.
The big think blizz needs to do for tanks, is to give them all the SAME FUCKING UTILITY, but in a different flavor, for each spec. Such hard meta tanks exist, because each season it boils down to "which tank brings the most utility?" Right now, that's prot pally. For 2 fucking seasons of DF, it was VDH.. Just give them all the same utility, and that would bring them far more in line of being even. And at that point, I think it's far more likely you could PUSH keys with any tank, and it would be basically fine.
Blizzard needs to look severely at class utility in m+. Warrior brings basically nothing when Paladin is borderline a support tank lol. Classes like Warrior/Monk and a couple others will always have such a hard time being good when they have no utility unless they are tuned through the moon.
Agreed. Prot paladin does 50% of kicks in any key without even trying. Combined with insane burst dmg it can currently do, there is absolutely no reason to bring any other tank in your key except if you know specifically that the player is very good. Having avenger's shield and not having it with how kicks currently work is like playing on two different difficulties, because avenger's shield will silence for 3 seconds, while other aoe kicks won't.
@@TopicxWoW yeah, I have that as retri as well, but would you rather bring retri or prot? All that is good, but it's not a game changer here, I think. I didn't calculate, but if I had to bet what prevents more group damage, avenger's shield or all of what you said, I'd say avenger's shield. Honestly, they should just revert kicks to work as they did before TWW.
@@Ennaravengers shield is just straight up overpowered if we are honest. If sigils were nerfed so should shield for balances sake. I was finishing everblooms with over 100 interrupts in DF lol. It should be a more even playing field
@@Dilllll26 currently, definitely is op compared to what any other spec can do to interrupt. Also, don't forget divine toll also spreads avenger's shield and shield procs all the time. However, I don't like the idea of nerfing, there are too few tanks in m+ for that to be good idea, I like the idea of giving other specs tools as well. It doesn't have to be the same tool, interrupt in this case, give group dmg reductions, shields, etc., which can effectively do the same job as interrupting would do. For example, why wouldn't prot warrior have option to talent spell reflection such that it works on whole group, but wouldn't reflect as much as dmg? And similar things, I'm sure there are people who have much better understanding of this than I do.
Blizzard just releases ptr for content creators to make free hype during slow times. They aren’t actually gonna change anything. Ready for vdh meta!! It’s a fun tank.
The P in PTR stands for Public, as in anyone can log on and test. But the sheeple would rather watch click baits engagement farm content like this rather than test and see what feels right for them.
Blood isn’t completely terrible it just lacks team support and is punishing to mistakes. One guy has timed 17GB with no aug, I’m not sure pala could do the same
The blood ST and prio is actually godlike with rune of sang. With rsham blood is quite tanky tbh, he gives 20% extra hp and 3%dr. Chinese are doing 17GB and 18s with no aug on blood
Let me say something about the druid tier set when ur using DotC he can change u to cat form because its literaly random skills (that include cat skills) so be careful with fluid form
Historically, Blizzard never keeps the same tank as the meta from season to season. In Dragonflight, VDH shone; at the start of TWW, it began with Prot Warrior, but it was mostly dominated by Prot Paladin. Currently, the damage profile of Bear is terrible on the PTR, and that's why I honestly believe it will get buffs. This is because I’ve stopped believing in buffs for Brew. Sure we can have a surprise but i need to guide myself with lastest expansions or seasons.. This is what I believe. You don't need to follow my comment; feel free to ignore it. I also not saying that bear Will BE meta btw
So there's no point in gearing pala and warrior is what u're saying? I'm planning to pick 3 tanks and gear them until the meta tank is revealed (pro players gear all 6 just in case). Since blizz dont want the same tank to dominate in two seasons in a row, that eliminates pala and warrior right? So i will pick 3 out of vdh, blood, brew and bear to gear
Don't think we need to make prot pals any stronger/give them even more group utility. At least now they have to be somewhat mindful of how often they wog others.
it's the "nothing has been tuned yet and half the specs are probably going to be changed some more but people wont stop asking so i might as well make a video and get some free money" take, lol
@cashe7536 except the video is litterally just his thoughts on the tanks as of now on the ptr and he even says this is not an indication of what will be meta in the video. The video is not labeled as a tier list either unless you can't read
Cool, guess blizz wants more people leaving the game because no one will be able to find tanks. They need to intruduce another tank spec, get rid of aug and make it a tank spec and then make tank specs fun.
If it's too damn early to tell, why the hell are you making a video about it? So your video contains no actual information because you yourself don't even know
Actually I mentioned this exact problem on stream and I have never seen my chat be so active in asking me to make the video anyway. The people yearn for pointless speculation.
dude, they killed warrior tank, 25 sec to build max ignore pain cap and 2 stacks of shield block live, ONE MINUTE AND HALF in ptr feel the same? too much paladin play cooked your brain.
Even blizzard doesn’t understand what the new Tier sets do, they are waiting for Yoda to tell them. 😂
That's not a good thing given that Yoda also regularly forgets Brewmasters exsist.
Got it, saw VDH at the top of the tier list in the screencap - I will now play VDH, focusing on gearing one now and spend the next six weeks on getting it ready to run the meta comp in s2
Thanks Yoda!
I wonder how many people are actually gonna do this and cry when it gets nerfed to nothing lol😂
and then it gets nerfed week 2 and prot pal is meta again :)
@@daverobert5018 Anyone who knows the WoW community knows that there is a buttload of VDH's in 2's -5's right now grinding lol.
The VDH Tierset will get nerfed, don’t waste ur time in gearing a VDH. It’s not supposed to give you the things a meta hard cast does. Thinking it won’t is delusional
@@Soulessdeeds lmao
Happy to see high end tanks finally calling out Blizzard. The modern Devs have no clue and they barely test. They need actual players to tell them what to do. Pathetic
It's more cost effective and most of us are gonna play anyway sadly.
They have been doing that for years. Blizzard are just too stubborn to take their feedback during PTR, outside of bug fixes. They always wait until 3+ months into the season when most people are done anyway. The way things are looking so far with dungeon changes, and no real changes to tanks, I'll probably skip the season as I don't feel like playing Paladin again.
what do you mean?
as far as I can remember, the stance of any high profile tank was "" every tank is mostly fine, they can do AOTC and +10."" then they all instantly swap to the FOTM tank for key / comp requirement for raid
Pathetic? Who knows the game more than the best players, in case of balancing and tunning? Its an evolution.
@@vincenthamel3420 Yoda literally says yeah blizzard has no clue about balance lol
Despite this, whatever happens im already set on playing and pushing high as VDH during s2. Never played entire patch as one. Thanks for the summary Yoda
Will we ever get a Brew meta?
Brew is actually very very strong. I was doing about 1.5-1.6m overall in the new dungeon and didn't have any problems surviving. VDH's do less than me.
Not in m+ as long as stagger exists the way it is. Unless blizz allow brew to run rampant in raids then there's a chance.
I guess VDH is not bugged but the skill description saying its activating "Metamorpohosis" but not "entering demon form", so refreshing all the fel scarred abilities is correct in this situation, the only problem is if blizzard is going to change the description back to "demon form", but if this is the case, basically VDH got nothing change from 11.0 to 11.1, then the whole season would probably become Prot pal meta again
Blizzard usually don't allow tier set to contribute this much
Devs: "lets give all the tanks a 2pc that says they *CAST* their big defensive randomly from taking damage. That should be pretty easy to keep tuned for all of them."
VDH: "is this some kind of joke?"
one to twe week...one to two months of tuning.
my guy you had it right the first time.
Changes will happen, SURELY. Otherwise this is a season to go no life Monster Hunter Wilds.
I have all 5 tanks so far DH is the most fun in my play style I feel that tanks should play like that so more people play them.
bear spec tree pathing was already a nightmare, sounds like they made it even worse
The Talent of Raging regen (+regrowth etc.) is Kind of a Nerf to Ragin regen, since it Spreads of the Same heal oder 5 seconds. But I guess the you the extra 10% increased healing so its a wash. I with it would just be the same healing but over longer duration or a small cdr as well.
The big think blizz needs to do for tanks, is to give them all the SAME FUCKING UTILITY, but in a different flavor, for each spec. Such hard meta tanks exist, because each season it boils down to "which tank brings the most utility?"
Right now, that's prot pally. For 2 fucking seasons of DF, it was VDH.. Just give them all the same utility, and that would bring them far more in line of being even. And at that point, I think it's far more likely you could PUSH keys with any tank, and it would be basically fine.
Blizzard needs to look severely at class utility in m+. Warrior brings basically nothing when Paladin is borderline a support tank lol. Classes like Warrior/Monk and a couple others will always have such a hard time being good when they have no utility unless they are tuned through the moon.
Agreed. Prot paladin does 50% of kicks in any key without even trying. Combined with insane burst dmg it can currently do, there is absolutely no reason to bring any other tank in your key except if you know specifically that the player is very good. Having avenger's shield and not having it with how kicks currently work is like playing on two different difficulties, because avenger's shield will silence for 3 seconds, while other aoe kicks won't.
@ not to mention BoP, Sac, Lay on hands, bubble, b-Rez, dispel, freedom. Lol…
@@TopicxWoW yeah, I have that as retri as well, but would you rather bring retri or prot? All that is good, but it's not a game changer here, I think. I didn't calculate, but if I had to bet what prevents more group damage, avenger's shield or all of what you said, I'd say avenger's shield. Honestly, they should just revert kicks to work as they did before TWW.
@@Ennaravengers shield is just straight up overpowered if we are honest. If sigils were nerfed so should shield for balances sake.
I was finishing everblooms with over 100 interrupts in DF lol. It should be a more even playing field
@@Dilllll26 currently, definitely is op compared to what any other spec can do to interrupt. Also, don't forget divine toll also spreads avenger's shield and shield procs all the time. However, I don't like the idea of nerfing, there are too few tanks in m+ for that to be good idea, I like the idea of giving other specs tools as well. It doesn't have to be the same tool, interrupt in this case, give group dmg reductions, shields, etc., which can effectively do the same job as interrupting would do. For example, why wouldn't prot warrior have option to talent spell reflection such that it works on whole group, but wouldn't reflect as much as dmg? And similar things, I'm sure there are people who have much better understanding of this than I do.
Blizzard just releases ptr for content creators to make free hype during slow times. They aren’t actually gonna change anything. Ready for vdh meta!! It’s a fun tank.
The P in PTR stands for Public, as in anyone can log on and test. But the sheeple would rather watch click baits engagement farm content like this rather than test and see what feels right for them.
The only thing we know 100% is that BDK will keep on the bottom.
Blood isn’t completely terrible it just lacks team support and is punishing to mistakes. One guy has timed 17GB with no aug, I’m not sure pala could do the same
Great video. I like this guy, for some reason he reminds me a lot of Jamie from Joe Rogan.
Run of sanguination might go kind of hard. But bdk always just dies before any other tank unfortunately. It’s one of my favorite playstyles
The blood ST and prio is actually godlike with rune of sang. With rsham blood is quite tanky tbh, he gives 20% extra hp and 3%dr.
Chinese are doing 17GB and 18s with no aug on blood
VDH it is. Ok got it
Let me say something about the druid tier set
when ur using DotC he can change u to cat form because its literaly random skills (that include cat skills) so be careful with fluid form
Anyones thoughts on Aldrachi Reaver VDH? Not running super high keys, it's an alt of mine.
How about a balanced game blizzard? Any idea?
dps tier list when
They will buff bear 100% , i already seen this movie before
What makes you so sure about that?
Historically, Blizzard never keeps the same tank as the meta from season to season. In Dragonflight, VDH shone; at the start of TWW, it began with Prot Warrior, but it was mostly dominated by Prot Paladin. Currently, the damage profile of Bear is terrible on the PTR, and that's why I honestly believe it will get buffs. This is because I’ve stopped believing in buffs for Brew. Sure we can have a surprise but i need to guide myself with lastest expansions or seasons.. This is what I believe. You don't need to follow my comment; feel free to ignore it. I also not saying that bear Will BE meta btw
@@MARCFEL90 Time will tell.
@@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk thats for sure 🙂
So there's no point in gearing pala and warrior is what u're saying? I'm planning to pick 3 tanks and gear them until the meta tank is revealed (pro players gear all 6 just in case). Since blizz dont want the same tank to dominate in two seasons in a row, that eliminates pala and warrior right? So i will pick 3 out of vdh, blood, brew and bear to gear
Prot pally been OP and bugged since the update they got lol VDH will get nerfed bc that’s definitely not how it’s supposed to work.
I’m so tired of Paladin being the Blizzard teachers pet class man.
Hey Yoda
When will a Spanish sub be available? :(
Bear bottom of the list oh noo i wonder what that vegan bear will play in season 2!!
Warry getting no love, reminds me of Shadowlands 😞
Pala forever no matter what
Staying prot paly idgaf
I think most people still play what they enjoy.
Which is why most people can't get into higher keys.
Most people don't play to push, or to play meta.
Reduce the mana cost from Word of Glory since Prot Pal will be swimming in Holy Power and Shield of the Righteous will be capped always.
Don't think we need to make prot pals any stronger/give them even more group utility. At least now they have to be somewhat mindful of how often they wog others.
Guardian druid was so funny in dragonflight but that elunes chosen is just mega boring
the "theme" of these tier sets is very cool but my god so many of the actual effects seem so bad/boring
its not bug bruh
Pass on tanking anything Mythic +....not fun
buff blood ffs
Which take is this 😂
it's the "nothing has been tuned yet and half the specs are probably going to be changed some more but people wont stop asking so i might as well make a video and get some free money" take, lol
@@zuralani1 watch his last live where he did this video at the end, he recorded like 3+ takes
Paladin... again... why??? :(
well, paladin is a fun tank to play. I'll take Ppal 2 time in a row over playing Gdruid.
This early on the ptr is clickbait af
What u mean early theres barely a month and a half left till s2 begins
Message received, gear VDH.
hahahahahahahha😄
It's probably nothing, so complete it to gain 179 for 15 sec
Yo chill with the tier list. Its only been 2 days of ptr and no final patch notes yet. 😂😂
This isn't a tier list lmao
Did you watch the video before writing this?
@@daverobert5018 Did you? 80% of the video is labeled as "Tier List" in the sections and the video on-screen is on tiermaker the whole time lmao
@cashe7536 except the video is litterally just his thoughts on the tanks as of now on the ptr and he even says this is not an indication of what will be meta in the video. The video is not labeled as a tier list either unless you can't read
Cool, guess blizz wants more people leaving the game because no one will be able to find tanks. They need to intruduce another tank spec, get rid of aug and make it a tank spec and then make tank specs fun.
If it's too damn early to tell, why the hell are you making a video about it? So your video contains no actual information because you yourself don't even know
speculations?
Actually I mentioned this exact problem on stream and I have never seen my chat be so active in asking me to make the video anyway. The people yearn for pointless speculation.
First!
dude, they killed warrior tank, 25 sec to build max ignore pain cap and 2 stacks of shield block live, ONE MINUTE AND HALF in ptr
feel the same? too much paladin play cooked your brain.