i got second-hand catharsis from all your reactions to my video :) you're exactly right, i try to focus on the more tangible and technical flaws of casual/MYM because i wanna get through to all of the people that joined after MYM and whose first reaction to reading the title is to write me off as an angry boomer. eagerly awaiting your MYM video filling in the gaps that i left out
This video is much better than the MYM one (don't get me wrong, your MYM video is still amazing) You hit the nail on many problems. that many like us were saying for years but lacked the platform to say so. thanks for your effort. Also i assume from your comments section, you realize that the best course now is to just get Quick play back. we should not have map selection, that is also another problem with casual that hardly anyone touch on. it kill least played maps. it been years since i played on hydro or nightfall.
It’s always funny how Zesty would get demonised for expressing the glaring issues that the game deteriorates from, and then years later, everyone starts echoing his opinions after they realised he was right all along. It’s what happened with Sniper being unbalanced, the quality of workshop submissions being garbage, casual matchmaking being a mistake etc.
@@SealShpeeDaSweggy Because he is an average tf2 player that has eye and more then two brain cells. also he not the type of guy with the attitude of "i can't change this so i will do nothing and be apathetic about it"
im almost hoping deadlock releases and gets absolutely overwhelmed by cheaters, that would be an absolutely monumental blow to them as developers, even more than CS2 being overrun by cheaters
I hope so as well, but it seems like there will be very little benefit from cheating because of game design. Unless there is a character that can one shot anyone from across the map
@@ichiro.gThat would require Valve to admit they fucked one of their most recognizable franchises *big time* , which say isn't going to happen anytime soon
I find it funny when Deadlock is mentioned because it hasn't been officially announced by Valve, even though they have had the alpha testing (and its leaks). It wouldn't suprise me if they scrap the entire project and use it elsewhere. It aint the first time they made a game close to release and then completely scraped it.
@@FrancisL4D Unless if there's new information, most leaks from a few weeks ago mentioned it was a closed Alpha. Regardless, of what stage it looks like, the point still stands that unless they officially announce it. It can easily be discarded as one of the many canceled projects.
All these petitions and outcries with no solutions proposed outside of vague calls to action. I wish they all got off their asses to demand something concrete instead: that Valve revert quickplay back to how it used to be. MYM removed the flow of players from quickplay into community servers and destroyed the amount and variety of those servers that relied on quickplay players to populate them, and created this breeding ground for bots with its shitty matchmaking systems incentivizing players to empty and repopulate servers at the end of each map, allowing groups of bots to fill up the players slots and do their damage. Instead of servers staying populated with human players trickling in and out naturally through the day like any other good community server. God I hate modern game design. Actively getting in the way of people just wanting to fucking play the game and have fun.
I was putting out an idea of making a paper mail campaign. The thing we do with petition is ok put imagine if every name on that petition had been a letter sized paper- and because of post offices work, they would have arrived in different times. They could not have just dumped everything in the trash in one go the letters would have kept coming for a week or so; zoom months later and the letters from europe had come to pester them. It would have made presedence for Valve to be afraid of us.They could not have turned it into a positive pr-stunt, there would have not been a spokesperson to shake hands with and smile to camera only piles and piles of bad customer reviews.
I feel like closing tf2 down won't have a sufficent enough effect on dota2/cs2 market if any at all People will have a little spooky spook for day or two but it will come back right where it was before The market is just too damn big Valve is not closing down tf2 because of that, they keep lights on just because they can I guess Same reason they keep lights on l4d2 servers even though it's brings even less money Sad truth is that even if tf2 will bring excactly 0$ dollars a month - valve won't even publically aknowledge that :(
The What made an incredible point on why valve hasn't shut down tf2 despite their lack of care for the money it brings in and that's the fact they basically can't. The inventories of tf2 players have real world value due to the micro economy they made and rendering that worthless would, at best, create community outrage and distrust with valve from players in CS2 with their micro economy when they realize "oh shit, valve can just delete these items I spent real world money on, I need to get out of here FAST" and at worst bring valve full on legal hell. It's this obligation to maintain the value of player inventories that causes them to do what little they do for the game at all and it's a reason completely separate from the money tf2 actually generates for valve.
Zesty been saying that in his streams for years. Also guy called B.R and even despite how unreliable Tyler is. he did pointed toward that. Glad to know that this is mainstream tf2 knowledge now.
Is competitive even active anymore? When MYM dropped you couldn't even find a game when everyone was rank 1, so I NEVER got to play a full game of competitive. Theres no way I'd ever be able to find a match of it now. People fucking HATED that update on launch too, I don't know where the volvo apologetics came from over the years. I go back to CS:GO/CS2 intermittently and I'm shocked at how little content we get. People want operations, they'll happily drop the cash for the Op pass. Valve can't even make regular events that change up the game ostensibly with new maps, but is really a revenue generator. The cheating is still a problem to varying degrees. I don't think VAC Live is a real thing at all.
Apparently so. Recently I watched a video about why you shouldn't play competitive TF2, it pretty much just emphasizes how closed the community is and how nerfing certain unlocks didn't make them more competitively viable, as well as honing it in why MYM was a tone death update
What? You make no sense. All bots do is join a fucking server. It can be any server. Quick Play I believe by default disabled the ability to join community servers from it.
For me, the biggest issue with the movement is that "flash in the pan" you describe. Why did #FixTF2 have to start on the 3rd when it could be any day? We cant just have a single battle here, it needs to be a constant siege. Also man, as a fan of the Halo franchise its oddly comforting to hear TF2 suffered a similar issue of trying to force it to be competitive instead of just letting that naturally branch out. Comp players can stay in their bubble and play how they want, dont force it onto the game at large, because thats very very harmful.
I agree on the part where this whole FixTF2 movement will last a week and either nobody will care, people forget about it or it'll work and people will move on from the movement. If the first movement was a failure then I know for damn sure that this will be deja-vu moment all over again. I swear if they make a 3rd movement again if they wanted to, then this is gonna get tiring to see and shoulda just stop at that point
Tyler Mc-i want you kicked because i disagree politically with your edgy joke and by that he killed creators tf (he was brought in as "PR" and "marketing") lolololol
On the early Tyler McVicker stuff apparently the story goes he at one point did have an inside source but then pissed valve off leaking something he shouldn't have and was cut off from valve but continues like he still has inside info I still remember when Richard Lewis' CS2 report dropped and he tried to down play and debunk it, then when the game launched got fucking flamed by him being made to sit the fuck down by a real journalist
I have to say I suspected the bot situations, but I didn't think it was that bad. Like, you could always assume that yeah, that player count is just trader bots, but holy sh*t, its just a shithole.
@@theabsolutetrashman3708 Here a white pill. I been checking Zesty Atlanta servers and they have players, at one point they were ten. I need to monitor it more. If Zesty hit 200k. I am sure we will have enough funs to have servers with players. Cuddling for the win. WR AGREE 🍓🍓
Valve needs to respond and get their asses in gear to updating their VAC and keep updating it after this movement. After all, if TF2 is not doing well, and CSGO is also now experiencing this bot and cheater crisis, then Deadlock might as well be dead in the water that will be heavily prone to cheating and botting software. TF2 is like the canary in the coal mine, its a warning of the danger. Valve has unironically become like Wheatley from Portal 2 by ignoring a problem and letting that same problem keep getting worse.
Low employment policy of valve that reduces competition between colleagues. There's only like 200 people working at valve. A small fraction of that number are game devs and they can pursue whatever project they like. Depending on the success of the project pa increases or decreases. Since tf2 is such a nightmare to code anything for it basically is never worth working in since the return of invest is 0. Tf2 will not break playercounts unless its fixed and remade from the ground up and the commitment just just isn't there since it would mean low pay for many months/years and even then its unknown if that will ever continue to be profitable.
Because of a principle to not instal rootkits on users' machines, and I respect that. And even when you disrespect users' privacy, there are still cheaters, the only other solution is to send an employee looking at your screen, or go a different route: VACnet
ive spent 700 euros on tf2 a pack valuer based on market history values my back pack at 1100 euro not includeding unsual war paints and strange professionals with out market history
Funny thing, i been crying all stream for asian Zesty server. Tho he said that if they stay alive. He will open Europe server (i hope he opens a Singapore server, i will get 70-80 ping, middle east server will give me 50)
@@finalrunner that's true and understandable. tho yesterday. his server was filled despite the fact he not playing on it. that being said, i do agree we not ready for asia server yet. let Zesty at least hit 250k. he will be so big. that his servers will rival uncletopia. i will be more than happy to donate even by bit to help keep them up if we get players on them.
I actually always thought a fast paced moba where you actually control the character rather than autoattack with right click would be fun... and that's what Deadlock is. But I also hate multiplayer games in general, and Valve is known for being incapable of handling cheaters. So the game's gonna flop probably.
I think the only part i dont agree or really undestand is, the bots control the economy so how exactly even if a 10% of the playerbase stops spending money thats gona afect anything Keep in mind that the steam market is more than just players and is really is own section whit is own rules From a moral point fine you dont wana suport a bad product so be it, makes scense But is really naive to thing that 50 radom shmoes not buying mvm tickes is gona change mutch, especially from the dude that know first hand the amonut of bots involve in the economy
The only way to fix bots and cheating in tf2 is eternal vigilance. People can get DMA type of cheat that will cost them as much as Raspberry Pi component and that cheat itself (this work against kernel anti cheat btw, super effective) . People already pay 30$ subscription for cheating. Valorant is not cheat free like they love to act. Or you know, Valve could give us Quick Play and fix majority of the problem is also making tf2 far more fun. AND getting Quickplay is much easier imo. #BringBackQuickPlay
idk, I play Valo and I have seen like 3 cheaters in like 1.8k hours, reported once and they got banned in no time, if there's been cheaters then they are seriously closeted and extremely good at hiding it, which at that point they are just indistinguishable from good players anyways, hence not really hindering the experience, unlike the blatant cheaters we have in TF2, plus, I actually kind of doubt that there are many people who would be interested on getting hardware level cheats, like yeah, there probably are some but I wouldn't think they are close to be enough to make a case for Valo to be fake news when it comes to being cheater-free
more so than that, Valo is a game that was born fundamentally for competitive play, and that's fine, it suits itself, TF2 is not competitive anyways, so I agree on bringing back quick play or revamping matchmaking to be similar in essence to how it was, rather than the mess it is now
Uhm... yes it has? Wow classic only got released bc people got fed up with retail and quit their subscriptions and sub count plummeted hard. Voting with our wallets is effective, it's just difficult with valve since it hold the Monopoly on gamestores. (Yes it's a Monopoly basically, all other stores suck major balls majorly and I refuse to use nor respect anyone who prefers them over steam)
@@MoundN I don't know what UA-camr is peddling WOW comparison that you passionately inserted here but they need a reality check comparing this to TF2. Subs dropped not because there was some grandeur boycott, the content was just shit and that's why they whined and Blizzard was resistant because they would tacitly admitting that they are making shit. It took them almost 10 years to do so, btw. How are you going to gauge "sub drops" with TF2? Ref to key rate? Suddenly whales will drop thier 10k backbacks and jump out of windows for your annual tantrum?
@@MoundN comparing a subscription service game and a free to play game with it's own self-circulating economy that functions independent from the game is ridiculous.
![[TF2] Unusual Casual](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/C6kc4Oq-RPQ/mqdefault.jpg)
i got second-hand catharsis from all your reactions to my video :) you're exactly right, i try to focus on the more tangible and technical flaws of casual/MYM because i wanna get through to all of the people that joined after MYM and whose first reaction to reading the title is to write me off as an angry boomer. eagerly awaiting your MYM video filling in the gaps that i left out
This video is much better than the MYM one (don't get me wrong, your MYM video is still amazing) You hit the nail on many problems. that many like us were saying for years but lacked the platform to say so. thanks for your effort.
Also i assume from your comments section, you realize that the best course now is to just get Quick play back. we should not have map selection, that is also another problem with casual that hardly anyone touch on. it kill least played maps. it been years since i played on hydro or nightfall.
I will offer the angry boomer angle
it's important to never forget what tf2 COULD be (again)
See you guys in two years when literally everybody's parroting what Zesty's talking about
Put me in the screenshot
I been saying that for years, also imo Zesty speak for the average tf2 player. More then any tf2 tuber out there.
#BringBackQuickPlay
@@Valued_Member_of_the_Community Put me 2
It’s always funny how Zesty would get demonised for expressing the glaring issues that the game deteriorates from, and then years later, everyone starts echoing his opinions after they realised he was right all along. It’s what happened with Sniper being unbalanced, the quality of workshop submissions being garbage, casual matchmaking being a mistake etc.
@@SealShpeeDaSweggy Because he is an average tf2 player that has eye and more then two brain cells. also he not the type of guy with the attitude of "i can't change this so i will do nothing and be apathetic about it"
im almost hoping deadlock releases and gets absolutely overwhelmed by cheaters, that would be an absolutely monumental blow to them as developers, even more than CS2 being overrun by cheaters
I hope so as well, but it seems like there will be very little benefit from cheating because of game design.
Unless there is a character that can one shot anyone from across the map
@@qunas101there is couple of sniper cgaracters
Zesty could say "you need oxygen to survive" and people would be against his statement.
And then you wait like 3 years later and all of a sudden, everyone starts echoing his opinion after they realised he was correct all along
TLDW; Meet Your Match ruined the state of Team Fortress 2 and led us to how we are now
Then Valve must revert the Meet Your Match changes then?
TLDW: Don't buy keys or crates for tf2
@@ichiro.g other than reasonably doubting fixtf2's effectiveness, that is the message of the stream yes
@@ichiro.gThat would require Valve to admit they fucked one of their most recognizable franchises *big time* , which say isn't going to happen anytime soon
@@theabsolutetrashman3708 reverting it is long overdue. MYM is already dead on arrival.
I find it funny when Deadlock is mentioned because it hasn't been officially announced by Valve, even though they have had the alpha testing (and its leaks). It wouldn't suprise me if they scrap the entire project and use it elsewhere. It aint the first time they made a game close to release and then completely scraped it.
They even scrapped Artifact long after release
Its clearly in a late beta phase
@@FrancisL4D Unless if there's new information, most leaks from a few weeks ago mentioned it was a closed Alpha.
Regardless, of what stage it looks like, the point still stands that unless they officially announce it. It can easily be discarded as one of the many canceled projects.
Episode 3, cough cough
All these petitions and outcries with no solutions proposed outside of vague calls to action.
I wish they all got off their asses to demand something concrete instead: that Valve revert quickplay back to how it used to be.
MYM removed the flow of players from quickplay into community servers and destroyed the amount and variety of those servers that relied on quickplay players to populate them, and created this breeding ground for bots with its shitty matchmaking systems incentivizing players to empty and repopulate servers at the end of each map, allowing groups of bots to fill up the players slots and do their damage. Instead of servers staying populated with human players trickling in and out naturally through the day like any other good community server.
God I hate modern game design. Actively getting in the way of people just wanting to fucking play the game and have fun.
There is a concrete demand: end the bot crisis. It says on the petition website to focus on bots.
I was putting out an idea of making a paper mail campaign. The thing we do with petition is ok put imagine if every name on that petition had been a letter sized paper- and because of post offices work, they would have arrived in different times. They could not have just dumped everything in the trash in one go the letters would have kept coming for a week or so; zoom months later and the letters from europe had come to pester them. It would have made presedence for Valve to be afraid of us.They could not have turned it into a positive pr-stunt, there would have not been a spokesperson to shake hands with and smile to camera only piles and piles of bad customer reviews.
I feel like closing tf2 down won't have a sufficent enough effect on dota2/cs2 market if any at all
People will have a little spooky spook for day or two but it will come back right where it was before
The market is just too damn big
Valve is not closing down tf2 because of that, they keep lights on just because they can I guess
Same reason they keep lights on l4d2 servers even though it's brings even less money
Sad truth is that even if tf2 will bring excactly 0$ dollars a month - valve won't even publically aknowledge that :(
The What made an incredible point on why valve hasn't shut down tf2 despite their lack of care for the money it brings in and that's the fact they basically can't. The inventories of tf2 players have real world value due to the micro economy they made and rendering that worthless would, at best, create community outrage and distrust with valve from players in CS2 with their micro economy when they realize "oh shit, valve can just delete these items I spent real world money on, I need to get out of here FAST" and at worst bring valve full on legal hell. It's this obligation to maintain the value of player inventories that causes them to do what little they do for the game at all and it's a reason completely separate from the money tf2 actually generates for valve.
Zesty been saying that in his streams for years. Also guy called B.R and even despite how unreliable Tyler is. he did pointed toward that.
Glad to know that this is mainstream tf2 knowledge now.
I've been saying all of this for months
I suggest here and now that if #FixTF2 doesn’t prompt action by the end of this month. We make a plan C and name it #BoycottValve
Im glad your VODs are uploaded I really enjoy putting these on in the background.
Is competitive even active anymore? When MYM dropped you couldn't even find a game when everyone was rank 1, so I NEVER got to play a full game of competitive. Theres no way I'd ever be able to find a match of it now. People fucking HATED that update on launch too, I don't know where the volvo apologetics came from over the years.
I go back to CS:GO/CS2 intermittently and I'm shocked at how little content we get. People want operations, they'll happily drop the cash for the Op pass. Valve can't even make regular events that change up the game ostensibly with new maps, but is really a revenue generator. The cheating is still a problem to varying degrees. I don't think VAC Live is a real thing at all.
Apparently so. Recently I watched a video about why you shouldn't play competitive TF2, it pretty much just emphasizes how closed the community is and how nerfing certain unlocks didn't make them more competitively viable, as well as honing it in why MYM was a tone death update
you were right zesty, im sorry the community mistreated you.
Fix tf2 by #AddQuickPlayBack #RevertTF2toPreMYM
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The system prior to MYM had high natural immunity to the bot problem.
Every aspect of the Casual matchmaker actively assists the botting crisis.
What? You make no sense. All bots do is join a fucking server. It can be any server. Quick Play I believe by default disabled the ability to join community servers from it.
#bringBackQuickplay is the real #saveTF2
2:41:27 It'll be so funny if they give us the coolest items ever in the latest cosmetic case.
For me, the biggest issue with the movement is that "flash in the pan" you describe. Why did #FixTF2 have to start on the 3rd when it could be any day? We cant just have a single battle here, it needs to be a constant siege.
Also man, as a fan of the Halo franchise its oddly comforting to hear TF2 suffered a similar issue of trying to force it to be competitive instead of just letting that naturally branch out. Comp players can stay in their bubble and play how they want, dont force it onto the game at large, because thats very very harmful.
I agree on the part where this whole FixTF2 movement will last a week and either nobody will care, people forget about it or it'll work and people will move on from the movement. If the first movement was a failure then I know for damn sure that this will be deja-vu moment all over again. I swear if they make a 3rd movement again if they wanted to, then this is gonna get tiring to see and shoulda just stop at that point
tyler mccringe
Tyler Mc-i want you kicked because i disagree politically with your edgy joke and by that he killed creators tf (he was brought in as "PR" and "marketing") lolololol
Tyler Mc(N word)
Tyler Mc Cease And Desist From Valve.
On the early Tyler McVicker stuff apparently the story goes he at one point did have an inside source but then pissed valve off leaking something he shouldn't have and was cut off from valve but continues like he still has inside info I still remember when Richard Lewis' CS2 report dropped and he tried to down play and debunk it, then when the game launched got fucking flamed by him being made to sit the fuck down by a real journalist
Thus souds kinda sad tbh
yea its incredible just how many times he was so so wrong
Tyler is worse than bot. He done more damage to tf2.
Syndrome from the Incredibles type of energy
He's gone completely mental and I think he's turning into a literal manbaby. Its uncanny that he's more immature now than he was circa 2016-2017.
In the end, he spoke the harsh truth. That nobody listened to him 4 years earlier
Zesty with the only sane takes as per usual!
I have to say I suspected the bot situations, but I didn't think it was that bad. Like, you could always assume that yeah, that player count is just trader bots, but holy sh*t, its just a shithole.
Where is the vod of the newest stream??? :(
This, anybody have it??
WE WANT AN EU SERVER!!!!
ASIA NEXT AFTER HOPEFULLY!
SOUTH AMERICA ALSO, I'M TIRED OF RESORTING TO UNCLETOPIA AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO CASUAL, I'LL EVEN HELP PAY IT IF IT'S NECESSARY
@@theabsolutetrashman3708 Here a white pill. I been checking Zesty Atlanta servers and they have players, at one point they were ten. I need to monitor it more. If Zesty hit 200k. I am sure we will have enough funs to have servers with players.
Cuddling for the win. WR AGREE 🍓🍓
@@theabsolutetrashman3708 MEE TOO AMEOOOOO
Yeah, travel live blog from Hungary would be nice. Country with huge history and strange language in the heart of the Europe.
"valve doesnt care about tf2 money"
remember how the Crate Depression glitch happened and valve fixed it within a day?
Valve needs to respond and get their asses in gear to updating their VAC and keep updating it after this movement. After all, if TF2 is not doing well, and CSGO is also now experiencing this bot and cheater crisis, then Deadlock might as well be dead in the water that will be heavily prone to cheating and botting software. TF2 is like the canary in the coal mine, its a warning of the danger. Valve has unironically become like Wheatley from Portal 2 by ignoring a problem and letting that same problem keep getting worse.
If valve has the this infinite money, what is it to make an anti cheat that actually works and is updated regularly
Low employment policy of valve that reduces competition between colleagues.
There's only like 200 people working at valve. A small fraction of that number are game devs and they can pursue whatever project they like. Depending on the success of the project pa increases or decreases. Since tf2 is such a nightmare to code anything for it basically is never worth working in since the return of invest is 0. Tf2 will not break playercounts unless its fixed and remade from the ground up and the commitment just just isn't there since it would mean low pay for many months/years and even then its unknown if that will ever continue to be profitable.
Because of a principle to not instal rootkits on users' machines, and I respect that. And even when you disrespect users' privacy, there are still cheaters, the only other solution is to send an employee looking at your screen, or go a different route: VACnet
Because that would force them to holt all their projects and spend more money without earning anything. Valve are lazy
Tf2 and OV2 steam review 🤝
ive spent 700 euros on tf2 a pack valuer based on market history values my back pack at 1100 euro not includeding unsual war paints and strange professionals with out market history
i basically used to buy underrated unsuals and warpaints, thats where most of the value comes from
We agree
ok
#fixTF2 I just hope how new game will be bot hurt and die asap as their card game.
Hey Zesty. About your TF2 server does it have Asia Server as well?
Funny thing, i been crying all stream for asian Zesty server. Tho he said that if they stay alive. He will open Europe server (i hope he opens a Singapore server, i will get 70-80 ping, middle east server will give me 50)
The reason he doesn't have Asian community servers is because; each time he himself is not playing on the server, the server rarely gets filled .
@@finalrunner that's true and understandable. tho yesterday. his server was filled despite the fact he not playing on it. that being said, i do agree we not ready for asia server yet. let Zesty at least hit 250k. he will be so big. that his servers will rival uncletopia. i will be more than happy to donate even by bit to help keep them up if we get players on them.
@@CoolSs ever since yesterday the server stays actively populated, so thats nice. Its full rn, just checked
@@lordsickomode WOW it is. so the casual Zesty network of normal tf2 servers will be obtainable sooner. YES YES
Not one more dime
I actually always thought a fast paced moba where you actually control the character rather than autoattack with right click would be fun... and that's what Deadlock is. But I also hate multiplayer games in general, and Valve is known for being incapable of handling cheaters. So the game's gonna flop probably.
#FixTf2 #FixL4d2 #FixCs2 #ValveGetYourShitTogheter
Put your servers in your description.
I think the only part i dont agree or really undestand is, the bots control the economy so how exactly even if a 10% of the playerbase stops spending money thats gona afect anything
Keep in mind that the steam market is more than just players and is really is own section whit is own rules
From a moral point fine you dont wana suport a bad product so be it, makes scense
But is really naive to thing that 50 radom shmoes not buying mvm tickes is gona change mutch, especially from the dude that know first hand the amonut of bots involve in the economy
bots don't buy items, they farm drops on private servers and sell them
Bots farm items, those items are melted into refined which are sold to traders directly(real cash) so Traders can use them to profit
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#hashtag
tylermcdicker
The only way to fix bots and cheating in tf2 is eternal vigilance. People can get DMA type of cheat that will cost them as much as Raspberry Pi component and that cheat itself (this work against kernel anti cheat btw, super effective) . People already pay 30$ subscription for cheating. Valorant is not cheat free like they love to act.
Or you know, Valve could give us Quick Play and fix majority of the problem is also making tf2 far more fun. AND getting Quickplay is much easier imo.
#BringBackQuickPlay
idk, I play Valo and I have seen like 3 cheaters in like 1.8k hours, reported once and they got banned in no time, if there's been cheaters then they are seriously closeted and extremely good at hiding it, which at that point they are just indistinguishable from good players anyways, hence not really hindering the experience, unlike the blatant cheaters we have in TF2, plus, I actually kind of doubt that there are many people who would be interested on getting hardware level cheats, like yeah, there probably are some but I wouldn't think they are close to be enough to make a case for Valo to be fake news when it comes to being cheater-free
more so than that, Valo is a game that was born fundamentally for competitive play, and that's fine, it suits itself, TF2 is not competitive anyways, so I agree on bringing back quick play or revamping matchmaking to be similar in essence to how it was, rather than the mess it is now
I'm financially boycotting Valve
We have D4 bad radio, where's the Valve version?
2:23:20 now watch some youtuber doing exactly that
based mönke
"Voting with the wallet" has never worked. It's like the most meme tier of gaming protest in existence.
Uhm... yes it has? Wow classic only got released bc people got fed up with retail and quit their subscriptions and sub count plummeted hard.
Voting with our wallets is effective, it's just difficult with valve since it hold the Monopoly on gamestores. (Yes it's a Monopoly basically, all other stores suck major balls majorly and I refuse to use nor respect anyone who prefers them over steam)
@@MoundNyou mentioned other stores, yet still say they are a monopoly, how does that fit in your head?
@@MoundN I don't know what UA-camr is peddling WOW comparison that you passionately inserted here but they need a reality check comparing this to TF2. Subs dropped not because there was some grandeur boycott, the content was just shit and that's why they whined and Blizzard was resistant because they would tacitly admitting that they are making shit. It took them almost 10 years to do so, btw. How are you going to gauge "sub drops" with TF2? Ref to key rate? Suddenly whales will drop thier 10k backbacks and jump out of windows for your annual tantrum?
@@MoundN comparing a subscription service game and a free to play game with it's own self-circulating economy that functions independent from the game is ridiculous.
bruh just cause it hasnt worked in the past doesnt mean it cant happen. whats the harm in trying