Twin Peaks - Is it future or is it past?
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- Twin Peaks - Is it future or is it past?
A quick breakdown of the main story from Twin Peaks Season 3, as well as speculation about why Season 4 could very well become a reality based on a comment made by David Lynch at the recent Showtime Emmy FYC event.
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This edition contains SPOILERS for all of season 3.
Please share your thoughts, theories, and observations regarding Twin Peaks the Return and The Final Dossier
I can't even imagine what this sounds like to someone who hasn't watched this show jesus christ. "and then the doppel-arm banishes him to the realm of non existence"
You have no idea how lost I am. I've never been this confused in my life, this is a very interesting experience.
Yes, I've never watched any episode of Twin Peaks or the movie. I looked it up because on Instagram someone made a reference to Twin Peaks and I was hoping to get a synapses on what the show was about. But it honest to God sounds like the narrator of the YT video is just making things up at random. I have ZERO idea of what anything means.
@@robtraining3849 lol
It's not a dopple it's not a doppelganger doppelganger means look alike it is the arm it has evolved into a new form.
@@kazzear_ if you really want to know, there's a channel called twin perfect. But don't go Unless you want to know.
I agree with you that Coop "failed" in his bringing Laura to confront her doppelganger. If you remember, the final scene while the closing credits roll has Cooper back in the red room with Laura whispering in his ear. I took it to mean that it's a "reset point", to possibly find a way to redeem yourself and pass through to the white lodge, and that every time you don't succeed you start at that point again.
You have no idea just how delicious these little reports are that you publish. I love them. I too pray for a season 4.
Raymond Strang ohh I think he knows romondo
I too can speak to their deliciousness.
I actually think Lynch really ended this season beautifully, wonderfully, and comprehensively for me. I love the show obviously but it was a satisfying ending for the series.
Amen!
I think the series is meant to have ended with _The Return._ So many cast members died during the creation of it that it would be difficult to continue, and the story was resolved.
I have heard an extremely interesting theory on the ring. It may be made of Formica, like the table. An insulator of electricity, green is its color, that would explain why BOB can't possess Laura and thus killed her, lodge entities travel through electricity and the ring is on the spiritual finger.
Was wanting to answer about the ring and Coop and Mike being at odds. Mike goal is to stop Bob which he has a better chance at if he can prevent Bob from leaving Leland. Coop wants to prevent Laura's murder so he's gambling she can resist Bob from inhabiting her.
This would also explain why Cooper and the one armed man seem at odds in FWWM but unite in s3. Cooper wants to save Laura, Mike just wants to stop BOB. These are similar enough goals that their interests align in series 1, 2 & 3 but diverge in FWWM when it comes to the ring. Cooper doesn't want Laura to die after take the ring, but Mike wants to stop BOB at whatever human cost which means cutting him off from the garmonbozia he'd gain from possessing Laura.
EDIT: only saw Cody above me wrote pretty much the same thing after I'd hit post. So yeah, what he said.
Take a close look at the green formica table, there's a small circular hole in it. You can see it in at least a couple of shots. The ring is not just made from formica, it's made from the formica table. That's why the Arm talks about the table first, then the ring.
I thought the Laura that was killed was a tulpa of Laura. So, it makes sense that Mike wouldn't want Bob to possess Laura's tulpa like he did Dale's (Mr. C).
YOOO thank you for this theory
I like that you try and analyse Twin Peaks on its own terms instead of worrying about symbolism and such.
thats what youre supposed to do. Its a whole separate reality with its own symbolism and laws of physics
Disagree, I think both are valid. Comes down to the preferences of the viewer. Prescribing how someone is "supposed" to enjoy art is really presumptuous and obnoxious. @@zackearl3200
I think the overall point in Twin Peaks is learn to deal with bad things that happen in life, ie, a loved one is killed or dies of disease or suicide, that you can’t actually change that. I think that’s why there is the scream at the very end, the murder still happened. I’ve noticed that about Lynch in general, that the main point in his movies isn’t in figuring out some trick ending, it’s more about the journey and the character of people and how they (we) treat each other, a take or reflection on current society morals, in other words.
LYnch has some Buddhist themes.
Nah, way too simplistic take.
I believe Laura and Cooper were smiling not because they were in the white Lodge or the Black Lodge, but they were smiling because Laura's suffering had ended. I hadn't seen that quote from David Lynch talking about the scene with Annie in Laura's bed. I had given up all hope for a fourth season until I heard you mention that. Now I'm on fire again.
I agree that she wasn't smiling because of the location. I always saw the end of FWWM as Laura's joy at seeing angels and not devils. It's brought up a lot that Laura is being torn between good and evil. She's battling her dark side throughout the original series and the film. She has moments where she teeters on the brink, like when she mocks bobby after he kills the guy in the woods, and then other times where she seems to live in fear and guilt of that dark side. Something that's mentioned a lot is that she's not sure if she herself is bad or good. She wants to be good but feels herself being drawn to the bad side and it terrifies her. So in the end when she's killed she sees angels and is over joyed. It's the relief of finding out that ultimately she was a good and is being taken to "heaven." Imagine that kind of relief. That's why the ending gets to me every time.
Wasn't there a painting of an angel in Laura's bedroom?
Tom Witherspoon My understanding is that the angel in the painting represents Laura's status in the story. When the angel disappears she is dangerously close to the point of no return. But when the Angels appear in the Black Lodge it represents that she had regained her innocence through her act of self-sacrifice partially inspired by seeing the fear end pain her friend Ronette was going through right beside her.
Brandon Powell There were two angels in the painting. In The Missing Pieces Doc Hayward tells Laura "the angels will return, and when you see the one that's meant for you, you will weep with joy". Laura isn't happy when we first see her in the Black Lodge, only after the angel suddenly appears. I believe the other angel was Ronette's, and appeared in the train car (Ronette's ropes loosen when this happens, allowing her to open the door and get out, and Mike to throw the ring to Laura).
Eirik W I don't exactly feel comfortable making judgments based on scenes that weren't in the final film. You should check out lost in the movies channel for a detailed analysis on the entirety of Twin Peaks for more of an in-depth look on the self sacrifice Theory if you haven't already. It's called journey through Twin Peaks and even if you don't agree with all the points I still think it's a must-watch for any Twin Peaks fan.
I still maintain that the red room is not the black lodge or the white lodge, but rather a multi-dimensional doorway between realities including both lodges.
Absolutely agree with you. As LMFAP says.."this is the waiting room..." I don't want to say "purgatory" per se, but more of a passageway.
Recently, I tend to think they are all one in the same (Black Lodge, White Lodge, Waiting Room). But I definitely leaning against the idea that the Giant was in the White Lodge.
If the place where the Giant was is indeed the white lodge, it does just kinda feel right. I guess that might make 'above the convenience store' the black lodge? Or maybe it and the motel where Jeffries was are both part of the black lodge? Love it!
You are right. We never actually see either of the lodges...
Yes but after the MFAP says the words "FWWM" Coop leaves the waiting room and his trial begins - the trial that Hawk told us would happen in the Black Lodge.
I have to mention the conversation between Grace Zebriskie (Visitor #1) an Laura Dern (Nikki Grace / Susan Blue) on Lynch's Inland Empire. Despiting the brilliant Grace's performance that creeps me out, she tells a seemingly disconnected story at the very beginning of the movie, she said something that gave me the chills. This is what she says and what I get of it.
"A little boy (Characteristics of Cooper?) went out to play, when he open his door (portal on ghost woods) he saw the world (black lodge) As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. (The Double) Evil was born, and would follow the boy"
She talks about a little girl who's gone where she's not supposed to.
She talks about not knowing what day it is. (is it future or is it past?)
Would you make a review of that scene? Seems strongly connected to me. Lynch is brilliant
Carlo Rohrbacher BRILLIANT theory. You just made my day...now I'm gonna watch Inland Empire again ☺
It’s yrev very good to see you again, old friend!
I had also thought that the revisit of the "is it future or is it past?" scene in part 18 also meant he was back in that moment, but without getting my copy to check, I could swear in The Final Dossier, Tammy mentions Coop went missing twice. Also, her memories of the events of season 3 don't seem to be fading, just Laura's death turning into her going missing. If the events of season 3 never happened as a result of Cooper saving Laura, then Tammy would have mentioned those memories fading as well, but that isn't the case in TFD. To me, the "is it future or is it past?" statement means that, whenever or wherever the lodge exists, it is completely disjointed from our sense of space and time. It exists at all places and all times simultaneously. Cooper assumes the identity of "Richard" and Laura assumes the identity of "Carrie Page" because "Cooper" and "Laura" effectively don't exist anymore in the altered timeline. So they must assume a new identity in order for their being to "make sense" in the real world (just as how Dougie Jones and Mr C were able to exist simultaneously). Laura might have been "placed" into her existence as Carrie Page, whereas Cooper actively "crossed over."
For me, the ending of season 3 was the end of the world and the end of the story. A sort of the story became aware of itself and imploded.
Catalin Popescu I think that in finale we hear Sarah’s scream from first episode. That means that we got from end back to the beginning. This story is infinite because it ends at the moment where it begins.
That was my first instinct. It was very unsettling.
That's a great way of describing it. I felt like there were two endings: one for Twin Peaks fans and one for David Lynch fans.
Twin Peaks fans had the extreme satisfaction of seeing Coop literally going back in time to save Laura. Lynch fans had the beautiful open-ended mystery of the name, personality and reality changes of the final episode.
For someone like me, a fan of both Twin Peaks and Lynch, it's a dream come true.
The story being aware of being a story takes all the fun out of it. The ending is basically an illustration of different timelines.
@@damienx0x we live in a dream
What if the coop who told Laura not too take the ring was the doppleganger?
Only thing I would question in the logic here is the point about Laura confronting Judy with imperfect courage. To me, the look in her eyes as she lets out the scream, nb not immediately before the scream but as the scream actually hits us - is anger, not fear. It's like she is suddenly recalling how her past life played out due to the machinations of Judy and her agent, Bob, she realises what she was actually created to do and she is now ready to bring that fight home to Judy which is embodied in the scream which shuts off the electricty/source of power and effectively traps Judy in that house in a single moment of time unable to escape or do anything else but stab at Laura's picture endlessly. Check the scream in slow motion and we see 3 distinct parts - confusion as it all starts to coalesce in her mind, realisation of what was done to her and then anger and a willingness to fight. It's a very subtle performance but if you look at her eyes in that final instance it's rage and a desire for vengeance that I see, not wide-eyed fear. The fireman and senorita Dido obviously created her to fight/counter Judy (not Bob - he was basically created by Judy to screw up Laura's life and prevent her from becoming her true self) so we know she must have incredible power somewhere inside her, power which manifests in that scream to basically end the threat she was created to counter. Thanks again for the episode - always mind expanding theories !!
The good news is; Season 3 may have ended over a year ago... but we still have much to discuss and try to figure out.
_THIS_ is why I love Lynch's work.
I do think it may hold significance that “mike” a lodge entity was never actually mentioned, nor was he credited at all in the return. Every episode he’s credited as Phillip Gerard. It is up in the air as all things lynch, but it seems that a widely known consensus is that mike is not in the return at all, it is Phillip Gerard in the black lodge trying to help cooper
I often fail to keep that in mind (that he's credited as Phillip Gerard). Good point.
Also interesting is that in the seasons 1/2, Mike says that he was originally evil and Bob's partner and they killed together etc. but then he 'saw the face of God and was purified', and henceforth has a misison to stop Bob. He is a similar entity to Bob. However, the scene from episode 8 with the experiment/Judy/whatever it is coughing up the Bob orb doesn't show a Mike orb. Which there should have been, perhaps? It would also be fascinating to see Milke's transformation (seeing the 'face of God').
Yeah, the true face of Mike only appears once as far as we know, when Phillip places his hand on The Man From Another Place/The Arm. Otherwise, they are always two seemingly separate entities.
auntieweirdo i think the first time dale meets mike, he claims that bob use to be his “familiar” then later in season two says when he and bob were killing together... I would doubt bob being mikes familiar actually holds any relevance tho
auntieweirdo You 're right man. Lynch fucked up that. Also in S2 Mike disappears at the end of the season.
Thanks for the shout out. Your channel is amazing. You went really deep on this one. The only thing I can’t figure out now though is this: In ep 18 after Laura is swept away and Coop is befuddled we see a quick golden glow to his left (our right.) In my opinion, this is the moment when he, confused and dejected goes to visit the Fireman and has the infamous “430, listen to the sounds” conversation. As this would explain why the Fireman states “you are far away.” Because Cooper is not in his proper time/reality. We then see Cooper disappear in the same manner in which Laura’s body disappears because of the time alteration...
So here are my questions:
By meddling with the course of time did Cooper then nullify his own existence? Or did the Fireman send him back to his own?
I believe he nullified his own existence because he basically changed the reality of Twin Peaks and everything past that point. Naturally that would then explain why the next scene takes place in the alternate (new) Red Room without Laura.
Also notice the similarity in the way he disappeared to the way Laura’s dead body vanished because of time altering. Cooper essentially erased himself.
Or did the giant send him back to his timeline?
At this point it becomes a question of whether or not you believe in multiple timelines within Twin Peaks (and within OUR actual reality as well!)
Based upon the manner in which he disappeared I think Coop changed the course of his existence which is why he vanished in that manner.
But it’s interesting to think about where The Fireman may have sent him if the Fireman himself sent him somewhere!
Superb work in this video. Wonderful. Something to add--Maddy Ferguson must still be alive in the new timeline. She wasn't mentioned in the Final Dossier, so it's possible that she might somehow play a role and have a connection to the 'missing' Laura of the revised timeline, like she did in the original story. So, if there is somehow more Twin Peaks to come, Maddy might play a very important role. I love all things Twin Peaks. And like you, I'm still pinching myself that we actually got this brilliant new season. It was sheer and utter perfection.
That’s a great nod to Maddy, I always felt that her death was like the idea of history repeating itself as a farce. Shes a sort of pure stand in for Laura not a tulpa of somethings design. I don’t really remember Bob/Leilands reaction on killing Maddy. But I always liked her character and the fact that James and Donna couldn’t save her was really rough.
Man tp is definately the most awesome tv/movie production ever made i am absolutely itching for more
Rob Jansen not you too
Stanley Kubrick movies are better and live on their own universe that will never be touched by anyone. Lynch comes second, with large margin to others behind him.
Lynch is better in some areas than Kubrick, or better than anyone for that matter.
These videos just keep getting better and better. I really dig your theories, they make so much sense. I couldn't have seen even half the things you've seen, under the layers. Your videos are helping me enjoy Season 3 even more than I already loved it. Thank You !!!
Have you noticed that the Sarah Palmer scene from the store contains a violin soundtrack in reverse? Similarly the scene, where she is stabbing the photo with a bottle contains audio in normal and reverse direction, which might suggest some kind of convergence between timelines. In the bar scene, however, there is no reverse audio.
That same backwards music was used frequently in Fire Walk With Me. I think it was just meant to be weird and unsettling.
You're right. The music is played at least when they investigate the body of Teresa Banks.
the way you have pieced this out, with your gathered up intel and sliced visual scenes is a work of art. I was so happy to find this channel at the beginning of The Return. With how well you do this polished channel, feels like you have other projects we haven't seen or heard. What else is wow lynch wow working on?
Rocket raccoon describing a twin peaks episode is my new favorite thing
I remember fondly last summer basically just surviving one week after another in order to get to see a new episode of season 3 and your videos the day after. So thank you, your voice was and still is part of this incredible experience
Wow, thanks for an excellent video and the usual depth of analysis :)! I wholeheartedly agree that Cooper in Part 18 is Cooper who arrived to Twin Peaks after Laura went missing in the new timeline. Two of the many open questions are (1) "what happened to the original Cooper after Laura escaped from his hands while he was altering the timeline? Shouldn't the old Coop still be in the Laura-went-missing timeline, but 25 MORE years older?" and (2) "in Part 18, why Cooper understands 430, but does not understand Richard and Linda?".
An explanation that pops into my mind is this. Fireman tells about 430 to the *old-timeline* Cooper - and it happens right *after* Laura vanishes from Cooper’s hands at the end of Part 17. Indeed, at that moment Cooper is close to Jackrabbit's Palace, a quick path to Fireman. Fireman takes Cooper (who is still perplexed with Laura’s disappearance) to his room and tells him about 430 etc. The old Cooper *understands* it. But the past has changed, and there is no place for an old him in this new timeline. And so he vanishes, forever, just like Laura’s body does (we see him crackingly disappear in the actual scene in Part 1). I’m sure Fireman expected that; maybe, he just wanted to give his old human-pal Coop this final closure?
Anyway, this answers (1) and it also kinda answers (2), but it raises a new question (2a): “If the new-timeline Cooper never had an encounter with Fireman, how does he know to drive 430 miles?” I would extend it with “how does he know exactly where to drive when we wakes up as Richard?”. I believe he may have received this information in Part 18, when Laura was whispering into his ear. We know (thanks to the empty chair and the overall plot) that the real Laura is not in the Lodge in Part 18. However, the whisperer in Part 18 was also clearly not Laura’s doppelgänger. I believe, it is some tulpa/projection that shared parts of Carrie Page’s otherwise missing real identity. She could give a piece of advice to Coop, couldn’t she?
I think Coop was at least partially aware the green ring was tied to the lodge, but I don't think he understood completely at that time. As I see it, Laura had two options: have her soul consumed by Bob, or have a still-shitty-but-significantly-less-so option of being brought to the red room after she died. It was either that, or Bob eliminated her right then and there.
BOB, I think, represented not just abuse, but the cycle of perpetuated abuse. Leland described BOB as a man who'd lived next door, and as he's dying he implies that the man had abused him; he'd trusted the man and didn't know any better "and I let him in." He grows up to be an abusive parent. Then BOB wants to be Laura, not to kill her, but to BE her. Laura would rather die than become the thing she hates, so she takes the ring, accepting death instead.
*Meanwhile*
or, the opposite.
Re-watched the return and FWWM again and now with knowing how everything unfolds I took the time to study and be more attentive to the small details. Great review and one thing that I have to say after this video (5 years ago) it's 2024 and unfortunately no S4 :(, maybe this post sparks Lynch and Frost's dream again.
I need a yearly reminder to come back and try to absorb and re-watch clips to see if a new angle comes out of it. But this video has been mind blowing
I hope you take this in the complimentary way I mean it, but your voice is like 25% of the reason I watch your videos. You sound kinda like Beakman from the children’s science show Beakman’s World.
Again another insightful upload on the world of Twin Peaks ! I wish I had the time to analyze the show to the extent that you do but whether or not TP4 happens I'll be itching for your next installment !
Awesome video and great to see you back :) Your Back to the Future reference made me simultaneously laugh and facepalm! When you mentioned Sarah Palmer's scenes are set only in the timeline where Laura went missing... I thought 'how does he know that'? But this idea is actually entirely plausible and the more I think about it, the more I like it! You are really onto something with the owl cave ring, MIKE's intentions are really questionable, he wants Laura to have the ring so she does get killed - Cooper's looking out for her in the FWWM dream 'don't take the ring'. MIKE takes Cooper to Phillip Jeffries… What are Phillip Jeffries intentions? He lives above the fricken Convenience Store! Oh my head is going to explode so I'd better stop for now. One more thing, I especially love your theory of Laura doppelgänger/Judy - I've heard theories that Laura is Judy, I don't buy it as it doesn't fit with Laura as we see her in FWWM, but her doppelgänger… meanwhile…
Wow Lynch Wow, I’ve been a fan of your work since before the announcement of The Return was official and I feel you have the best breakdowns, along with the Vlog Lady. I cannot fathom a season 4 because of how lucky we were to get the final moments of Miguel Ferrer and Catherine Coulson on film. I’m thankful that we were able to go back and relive all these great moments and add in Mr.C, Dougie Jones, the Mitchum Brothers, and even minor players like the actor who played Ray Monroe and Richard Horne, they were tough parts but those guys hit homeruns! Maybe one day we will get some kind of a spin off as this relighted the careers of Laura Dern and Kyle McLachlan. I want a Laura-centric show like the second half of FWWM. Let Sheryl Lee have the ball and let’s sit back and watch “the gifted and the damned” go at it again!
I must say that I always prefer hopeful interpretations of the end. I loved the video. Thank you!
Really great analysis with a lighthearted tone that makes it very watchable. Moving from the emotive experience of the first viewing to an understanding of the structure created by Lynch has always been my favorite part of his productions, thank you very much for all your time and hard work!
I haven't even made it past min 2 and I'm so stoked you found another video worth of material I can't wait to say tx
i just finished season 3 the other day and wow did you really help sort things out for me. there’s still a lot for me to take in but you did a fantastic job stringing it all together. i too hope for a season 4. i think twin peaks is probably the best show of our time and it deserves to keep going!
Good to see you are doing another Twin Peaks vid. One night I was nostalgic about 1990s HW boxing, did a youtube search and found your channel by accident. your narrative style very enjoyable, so it's cool to have another source for it, especially being a big fan of combat sports like I am.
I love your Videos. Keep going my Friend. Greetings from a turkish guy from Germany.
Who cares where you're from? We're all converged here for one purpose. And no, that's not you being Turkish.
Sag doch einfach Deutscher ? Ich verstehe nicht warum Türken derart die Deutsche Identität ablehnen
I used to have alot of ideas about FWM& the missing pieces and S1 and S2, then S3 came an blow everything down
Great dissection of the story and things noticed!!
The Leland camera angle (or flipped image) could just be camera angle and not flipped, because First, Cooper comes from NEAR left and later from FARTHER right
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Thank you for this. I love the series and I m glad to see more speculation on this matter.
Hang on... so if Laura and Judy are opposites then I’m thinking about what that means for bob.
Bob wanted to possess Laura but when he couldn’t he killed her. He then spends all of series 3 looking for Judy. Could Bob’s real goal be to kill Judy? That would be why he wanted to possess Laura. This would answer why Phillip Jeffries helps both cooper and the doppelgänger even though they appear to be on opposite sides. Jeffries is the character that first came upon Judy and when he talks to Cooper and the doppelgänger it’s always to help them find Judy.
MySplendid more likely he wanted to merge Judy and Bob in Laura's body, not kill Judy. That would accomplish the alchemical marriage that Jack Parsons tried to perform in The Final Dossier and that Diane and Cooper reenacted in the sex scene in the return finale. Bob had sex over and over with Laura but could not achieve the final step of possessing her. That was always the goal of raping Laura--to merge with Judy. I just thought of something--maybe it wasn't Laura that he wanted to possess, but her doppelganger? We know there was a "good" Laura and a "bad" Laura or that James and Donna, at least, and Dr. Jacoby too, were very aware of her dual nature. Maybe two Lauras were running around Twin Peaks during Laura's lifetime.
Didn't Jeffries trick Mr.C giving him the wrong coordinates? They all met Judy but don't know who Judy is. Also I think that the only time we hear Judy is over the phone when she speaks with Mr.C and saying something like "I will be with BOB again". So BOB wants Judy, Judy wants BOB, BOB is part of Judy, she wants him back. Atomic Bomb Test separated them, and unknowingly humankind unleashed evil on Earth.
@@happyclam1266 This is a VERY interesting and plausible theory, actually. It also echos Showtime's Penny Dreadful where Lucifer tries to 'liberate' Vanessa Ives' evil alter ego 'Amunet' (considered to be Lucifer's soul mate, and their coming together & 'mating' was supposed to usher in the end times) by possessing Vanessa and tormenting her. All of this is, of course, very reminiscing of Parsons and his wife's Sex Magick rituals that were supposed to cause Babalone/mother of 'abominations' to manifest on earth through the wife's body aka the vessel.
That's it.
I never realized that it would change Cooper's past as well.
Now his leaving the Black Lodge again at the end makes more sense.
loving that you have returned to us.
You´ve outdone yourself on this. what a great vision
This video helped clear up a lot of my questions about season 3, I really hope for another season :)
ALWAYS itching for more!! I really enjoyed these (weekly) re-caps; miss your voice! I also think S4 will be a reality (just sooner rather than later, I hope!)
i wonder what happened to maddy ferguson in the other timeline...hmmm.
I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Frost mentioned something to the effect that he believes she is alive and well in the alternate timeline. And I think he also mentioned Mike and Bobby are on a bowling team together.
See, it's that right there - the dreamlike supernatural mystery tale that simultaneously lingers, lovingly, on the of details of ordinary people (well, ordinary people tangled up with the agendas of various entities); that's what I love about Twin Peaks. There's something so right about how I can imagine a scene about bowling being given equal importance without it necessarily being central to a tremendously cerebral plot... if you get my meaning.
Great description. I think you get at the heart of the "Twin Peaks" appeal.
Lol, your background is Lord Vivec the traitor.
You have great taste!
You speak of the tongue of the Elder Scrolls! Can we have a drink together one day? I would like to discuss the 'glitch' of the Hammer which prevented me from finishing that BLASTED game! 😒
Thank you sir. Miss your incredible hypothesis. I hope all is well.
In the new timeline, in which Laura went missing: you touch on why Cooper may ended up in the lodge but not on your opinion of why would Cooper end up staying stuck in the lodge/red room for 25 years if his dopple never went out to replace him?
Very good point! That makes the fact that he had no concern for Bob or his doppelganger even more baffling.
My favorite words in T.P. I love the way he says them.
I put this in one of your comments when the series was airing, I think Sarah Palmer is the doppelganger of Laura just aged. Looking forward to the next video
I'm not confident about a season 4. David actually spoke at a Q&A for it the other day with Kyle and Laura and he said that was definitely the ending.
Tate Hildyard oh yeah, I saw that footage as well ☺ and as much as it breaks me heart, I believe that this IS the end of the world of TP.
In the context of his remarks, I didn't personally take that to mean Twin Peaks is officially finished forever. On the contrary, his comment about the diary pages has me thinking the exact opposite.
Wow Lynch Wow! Man, you got me all hopeful again!! And you're quite right, too, about Lynch...its all about how you interpret it. 😉
It,s not right. David Lynch was talking about the ENDING OF THE SEASON 3, not of the finale of the series.
@@WowLynchWow I think it is finished though, Twin Peaks i mean. I think Laura's scream signified all four timelines, or alternate realities, converging together when as Carrie Paige she heard Laura Palmer's Mum call her from the very start of the process before the splitting but she was essentially still the same person in all the realities and her realisation and subsequent scream sent the lights out on Twin Peaks.
I've missed your weekly recaps!!!! Thanks for posting again!!!!
I think the happy moment between Coop and Laura in the Black Lodge was just Lynch trying to find a happy ending for his film despite the devastating and depressing murder of Laura.
Didn't really realised I had missed your videos until you started postin again ! So I might use this occasion to thank you or your videos which have been integral to my enjoying of The Returns
Thanks for posting this perspective - gives me a better angle on grasping Cooper's new objective in the new time line.
I definitely agree about your notion that when Coop is suddenly back in the lodge again in the final episode, it's picking up from that point in the alternate timeline. However, I have to point out that in the Fire Walk With Me script, the final scene of Laura and Cooper specifies "INTERIOR: BLACK LODGE." I got the impression that the white lodge was where the Fireman lived. He seems to be in opposition to BOB, and where the black lodge is marked by the ring of trees and the pool of black oil, the entrance to where the Fireman lives is marked by a pool of liquid gold and a single white tree. When Andy is taken there, he's given information about events to come, and something similar probably happened to Major Briggs when he was taken to the white lodge (as he suspected, anyway), which is how he knew of events to come.
Great video as always. I also 100% believe there's more story intended here as so much of season 3 was really solidifying Judy as the main antagonist and Laura as somehow the great hope. Neither of these things reached any fruition. I need more and I'm sure they have more to give :)
My absolute favorite attempt at explaining anything about The Return! Awesome.
Well done!!
Most importantly... Pete finally got to go fishing.
Mike always gives me goosebumps. I always have thought that the original Cooper's dream was a vision 25 years to the future of the same conversation (and the same event in time) that happened at the beginning of Season 3. This is also suggested by the ending of the international pilot, which says "25 years later" before showing the dream sequence. In S3E17, the same event is repeated in a different timeline, where Laura is missing.
vsrr83 i think you are on something here.. would love to hear more ideas for sure!
There's a copy of "Four Quarters" among the plethora of books when we are introduced to Audrey in part 12.
"Time present and time past
Are both perhaps present in time future
And time future contained in time past.
If all time is eternally present
All time is unredeemable.
What might have been is an abstraction
Remaining a perpetual possibility
Only in a world of speculation.
What might have been and what has been
Point to one end, which is always present.
Footfalls echo in the memory
Down the passage which we did not take
Towards the door we never opened
Into the rose-garden. My words echo
Thus, in your mind." - T.S. Eliot, Four Quarters
Thanks for your work on these videos. I personally enjoy them and follow you.
I have been rewatching Season 3 and also rewatching your Videos .... you are the Man !! Have you rewatched Season 3 ? And if so When ?? Wow Lynch Wow !!!
I feel like your series is perfectly tied to Twin Peaks. Anyone who loves Twin Peaks should be here. I would watch an episode and then come here to help me find what I may have missed. Great videos, great community.
This is Aaron Husdey, I'm on my dad's phone, JUST seeing this now. Holy shit, you hit it out of the park my friend. Can't wait to talk to you about it. Cheers!!
Hussey*
This is the single most insightful, well-put theory on the new season that I have found. Keep doing what you're doing, dude! So nice to have a source for hyperintelligent Peaks discussion
I know this is late but I think it's so funny everyone wants another season to get more answers - if we get a season 4 we will only get more questions!
You brought up a few really good points I hadn't thought of yet! Great video!
Great Insight as Always ... can listen to you talk about Twin Peaks for Hours .... Keep up the Great Work !!! I'm itching to watch my Blue Ray Copy of the Return Soon !!
Reading the hisory of twin peaks makes the whole backstory of the ring creepy and its exact purpose creepy. Its been around since the 1700s passed down with random people wearing it. In the book the indian chief warned Lewis never to put it on, it seems like its dangerous and it can clearly send entities back to the waiting room of the black lodge. Bob hated it for some reason. But its never clear why the first documented owner Lewis was warned not to wear it.
I do think Judy was supposed to help create the moon child that would bring the end of the world but Laura was made to destroy judy
Great video and some very interesting food for thought! I really hope that Lynch would further continue Twin Peaks be it in the form of season 4 or a new movie. Honestly I think there is so much more to expand and explore! It's an entire MULTIVERSE!
such a great video so glad you're still making videos rattling the cage of the return ending
Welcome back Wow Lynch Wow! I missed you. Was only the other day when I was checking your channel hoping for a new upload. Amazing video as always.
You certainly blow my mind. BRAVO!
So Glad you did an Anniversary video. Wishing you would review ‘LEGION ‘ by Marvel on FX! Awesome show and will take you on a total mind trip!! ! If you dig David Lynch Style you’ll Love ❤️ LEGION.. just give it a try
THNX ALOT, trying to sort Things out....great video....SEASON 4 WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I HAVE SERIOUS DOUBTS IF THT'LL COME TO PASS....I THINK NOT
Thanks for this video, and welcome back! We love Twin Peaks!
Itching to know the significance of Cooper's lapel pins. He either wears none at all, a round one or another I can't make out. It is not a continuity error. Knowing Lynch & Frost it's very deliberate. Timeline related, related to different versions of Cooper or reality related (dreaming or not)? Itching to know :)
That's something I've read people mentioning since early season 3, and I definitely believe it's something deliberate and timeline related, but I confess to having never properly investigating that aspect.
Interesting that you mention the idea that perhaps Agent Cooper failed in his main goal, rescuing Laura. In many hero-themed stories the hero (or main character) ultimately fails in the story's quest, success often being inadvertently (and unwittingly) achieved by the apparent villain. Atticus Finch fails his client in To Kill A Mockingbird (but the community of Maycomb is deeply - and assumedly irrevocably - affected by his efforts). Ahab fails in Moby Dick, destroying his ship, his crew, and himself in pursuit of the whale. Even in more pop-culture stories: Luke fails in Star Wars, twice in fact - once in Empire Strikes Back (losing both the duel and his hand to Vader, having to be rescued by Leia, who *_he_* had set out to rescue) and again in Return of the Jedi (defeated by the Emperor, but again being rescued by the character *_he_* sought to rescue - Vader). Even Frodo - and most people miss this point in Lord of the Rings - fails. He succumbed to the temptation of the Ring on the very edge of the Cracks of Doom, refusing to throw it into the chasm to destroy it, but claiming it for his own. (Only to be "rescued" in the ensuing fight with Gollum, who bites off Frodo's finger to regain the Ring, and in his gleeful (but careless) prancing at once again possessing his "Precious," falls to his own death over the edge, taking the Ring with him, finally destroying it.)
If Cooper is indeed a "hero in failure," perhaps it is Judy who ultimately (and unwittingly) destroys herself by seeking to confront Laura, only to be (unexpectedly) overmatched by her, trapped in a prison of her own making - a sliver of reality isolated from the rest of the world (if the so-called "pocket universe" theory is correct). But like you, I suspect that there is more to the story that Lynch and Frost have yet to reveal.
Wow, really, wow, that was not only amazing, it makes complete sense to me. Thanks for the analysis.
Wow, Wow Lynch Wow! Wow! This...
Was brilliant.
btw i believe the statue represents timelessness, and i also think the whole series is based on time not existing in the real sense, ofc along with many other stories that make up this amazing show. i think nearly everything you have analysed has been correct, thanks for these vids i hope to see more on the show from you. [from the fireman - one and the same]
Only itching for Pete fishing!
Dunno if I buy this 100% but it's brilliant thinking and well-delivered. Really enjoyed your channel! See you in the trees, friend.
I am convinced those headlights at the end meant something to be further explained in a season 4
maybe laura’s doppelgänger is carrie paige, and cooper bought her home to destroy the doppelgänger which means destroying the current timeline but it also means that the real laura was plucked out of the lodge hence the screams in the lodge and screams at the house being identical.
Nadine El Nour Nadine from Twin Peaks??
thanks - always eye opening and thought provoking, excellent work !
Has anyone noticed that Audrey, in a conversation with Charlie, mentioned exactly the same sentence as the Evolution of the Arm: "Is it the story of the little girl who lived down the lane?". How the hell does that fit into the whole story, and who is the girl who lived down the lane??? Laura, Audrey, Sarah from the past...?
Yes! I noticed this. I have no idea what it means thought lmao
I have to say now with the hints of "Wisteria /Unrecorded Night" that I think I can further understand the future /past of this and if there's more, great! And if not, great! But none the less, there's a lot to unpack about season 3.👍☕
It was interesting to have a Daine in the Return series. I always thought Daiane was the name of Cooper's tape recorder. XD
you Sir, are a genius. Another super impressive UA-cam analysis on Twin Peaks
The problem is this is the whole story to be told. There is no season 4. After season 2 I felt there is a great need for another season. After season 3 I feel it is done.
There's one thing that still grabs me from the first episode of Season 3, and I thought I might share it here. When the Fireman tells Cooper that "they are in our house", I originally thought that he meant that Black Lodge spirits were invading the White Lodge, but after the final scene of episode 18, I actually think that the Fireman means the Palmer house, and that the Fireman is speaking from Laura's perspective, which isn't really all that strange (not all that strange for Twin Peaks, anyway) because they are, as we know now, beings that share an essence, or are perhaps even two aspects of the same being. And of course, Tremond and Chalfont are Black Lodge entity-associated names, and they are definitely in the Palmer house in the Carrie Page reality (and of course, Bad Coop was trying to get there in the "original" reality). Maybe the Palmer house is the "real world" entrance to the White Lodge in the same way that Glastonbury Grove is for the Black?
Anyway, it's late, and that's all I got. I don't know if any of this is right and I sure don't know what it means. Thanks for making all these videos. They've been great fun.
When Cooper goes back into the black/white lodge (same thing to me) he basically goes back in time before Laura was murdered.
In the final scene at the house it was Judy behind the door that woman was talking to.
Judge Executioner That scene was so f***ing creepy - creepy in the same way that the scene with Sarah talking to Hawk when there was obviously someone (Judy?) in the kitchen was. Terrifying.