I'm pretty sure plenty of ARMYs would explain what the situation was at that time but I just want to mention that to prove their innocence and stop the rumors, BigHit submitted themselves to investigations and the result was made public. They were not guilty of any chart manipulation at all. Rumors were spread by fans of the groups who lost at that time.
As a new BTS fan, and I'm saying new, being relatively under 2 years. I would love to know what groups spread those rumors because I'm starting to expand in the K-pop and f*** all those other groups if they talk badly about BTS if they tried to inhibit their success I don't want any part of it
it still amazes me that bts was more popular globally than in Korea for a while. I remember how shocked bts was when they went to the US and realized people knew them. Jhope and Jin were spotted in American hustle life and jhope said "people know me here, but not in Korea"
I think BTS was “half-famous” because they were not part of the Big 3. BigHits couldn’t afford to pay for airtime for them (and they DEFINITELY couldn’t afford to pay for chart manipulation). Even if they were on a show, their slot would often get cut. BTS had to get themselves in front of fans through sheer talent and determination. But I think their sincerity, relatability and authenticity kept them in front of fans. I became a fan during the BS&T era - it only took 1/2 a MV and I was instant ARMY. My favorite era of theirs is HYYH (all parts) - just the most heartbreaking and amazing era.
You said what I was just gonna comment! Also, the reason why that guy said, "The half famous ones? They're actually the worst." is this: Famous groups (backed by large companies) basically have their career set for them. Of course, they work hard too, but they pretty much have a road of decent success ahead. The groups that no one knows? Their career is over, which is sad, but it also means that they don't have anything to slave over now. Meanwhile, the middle tier, has it the worst because *they have to keep working* - nothing is set in stone for them and every comeback means more resources spent by their companies, so they're risking everything by continuing to push forward. That's what BTS were in their first few years. Having considerable fame outside of Korea, but not being recognized (and being mocked) in their own country. I'm glad they now have the success they deserved 💜
Exactly. There are different shows such as M! Countdown, Music Bank, Inkigayo, and so on that each have a weekly show. And just to add a little more info because this is rarely mentioned here on youtube that I sometimes wonder if yt ARMYs are even aware of this. On several of these shows, we international fans actually get to vote as well. The different shows usually have an app, where fans can collect daily points. When BTS releases a new single we then use these points in the app to vote. We have voting organizations on Twitter that are great at motivating ARMY to take part.
bighit has NEVER manipulated charts. I'm from Russia and in the same year ruarmy wrote a letter saying that many albums from the SK were bought in our country. as a result, koreans (fans of other bands, haters of bts) registered on our platforms and wrote in the comments in the bts communities so that we would provide receipts for the purchase of albums. we even have a ruarmy meme "show the checks" lol
wow i didn’t even know this, this is why i’m so protective of bts. literally everything was stacked against them and every kpop fan is bitter towards their success. even until now
aha the company (bighit) def didn't do asajaegi (chart manipulation) bc i doubt they could afford it + jin a while back spoke out against it during an award reception speech.
"You've worked hard."="Good job" or "Well-done" is a good catch, I think the same too. Tho I'm Asian, in my country, we don't have an equivalent to this expression and we usually borrow english expressions like "good job" "nice". I'm not very familiar with other cultures but I usually hear "You've worked hard" expression as a form of appreciation from Koreans and Japanese. In Japanese, it is said as "Otsukare samadeshita", BTS always say this phrase to J-armys and J-staff whenever they have a concert in Japan. Hobi usually say the phrase in tune and one time he asked the live band to play an instrumentals over it, then Yoongi suggested that what if we made it into a song, thus "Otsukare", trot song, was born, originally by Hobi and Yoongi and performed by the 2 of them only (It's so funny to think how did they convince Yoongi to sing & dance a trot song, lol), then much later an OT7 performance of it was done too. They usually perform this on Musters, it's a fanmeeting concert, a little bit laidback and more intimate with fans, they usually perform songs that wasn't included in their tour setlist. I will put a link under this comment if ever I'll find the fanmade video compilation on how "Otsukare" was born. Armys are so amazing in finding the vids and connecting them to tell the story.
BTS didn't manipulate charts, they went to court and got cleared for it. those accusations were so loud that their career was affected. certainly there's a lot of companies that do it and sadly they dont go under fire for it. BTS was a target at that time and still is now tbh. they are the pride of korea but still their competitors try to chop them off or use them for their own agendas.....
DJ is correct. They were in the “ Not So Famous” category because they weren’t part of the Big 3 companies. Thank you for taking the time to react to these :) 💜💜
bighit didnt do sajaegi TT to do that you need a lot of money and jin had even spoken against it in an award show speech. this entire series is meant to show you the contrast between what the other kpop acts did and what bts did defying all the stereotypes and norms that only thr big company kpop groups could be successful. they didnt rely on any institutional pillar (media or money etc) unlike other acts and rather grew organically with the help of their fans and music.
The thing is they've actually been pretty popular internationally since day one, but domestically, every other company was trying to bring them down. And since it is their own country, it's even harder for them, so yea, they were in the category of the not so famous groups that suffers the most.
They were famous abroad because of their logs and videos and always taking the time to talk with their fans even before ARMy was established..and being in camera 24/7 fans wrre able to watch them and learn about them..how genuine BTS ..
To this day, its a mystery how V did so good in those heels having never worn any before. TO be fair though, the ones he had are among the most supportive type that are not boots. The straps and ankle support make those easier to walk in than pumps.
Had to laugh at the whole lipstick chaos at their first win. Most of them - lipstick smeared all over. JK - almost got it. And then Jin - flawless. Shining, glossy lips, looking kissable as F. WWH, master of visuals indeed. :D (And he's not even my bias. ;) )
There is a show every day, every channel has one, but it is for the week, so you go to different broadcasting every day for 2 weeks to compete live to get number 1 and get recognition. BTS back then fell in the not so famous category.
In March of 2015 was the year that I became an ARMY! And just getting to know them was a rollercoaster. When they dropped the album, I streamed the song for hours after it was released and I voted for those award shows nonstop. UA-cam also was deleting views from the mv as well. For me as a fan, it was a tough time with all the backlash that they were getting. But I knew BTS deserved to be recognized.
Watching these episodes again really made me realize how much these boys make me smile 😭 Like V said, being in a group means they get to have fun together easily. Also, Taetae's personality is just amazing 💜
The commentary about the 3 tiers of fame in KPop groups and the behavior of the Big 3 companies definitely reminds me of RM's verse in Ddaeng. Lots of frog in a well behavior being showcased in this episode.
BTS is anti-chart manipulation/sajaegi. In 2019 MAMA, they won all 4 daesangs (grand prize awards), and in one of their acceptance speeches for a daesang, Jin spoke on behalf of the group to encourage artists/industry to get their music heard in honest ways and he did it as respectful as possible. I could tell the members agreed to have this message for this acceptance speech (i was watching it live online), because when they went up to get the award, the members faces were all serious. When Jin finished his speech, RM on the side immediately nodded knowingly and clapped in agreement.
bts was actually bigger overseas than in their own homecountry. Being from the big3 automatically guarantees you succes in korea and them coming from a small company winning against a big3 group was something they couldnt imagine (stupid i know) but bighit NEVER manipulated anything, they even submitted themselves to investigation and went to court and they were cleared not guilty
yeah and they even filmed the staff when BTS won that first award and you could clearly hear, they were just as surprised as BTS. and they used staff as extras they have everything on tape which is a good thing. i also think bighit got used to allegations so they tried hard to protect BTS against slander. they even filmed that rapporter breaking into bighit to bad he didn´t know he was being filmed doing it 😁
Those music shows were weekly but there are like 4 or 5 of them on different networks and they air on different days so as to not overlap. So when he said that the other group won yesterday, he meant the show from yesterday’s tv station music show.
They weren’t in a financial position to do chart manipulation. They weren’t an overnight success either, people just didn’t pay attention to them until they started winning and didn’t think they should be beating these more known groups. There’s a whole video on SM trying to buy BTS from BigHit becuz they were competing with their groups. But they were known for buying competing artists from their companies and then shelving them, while pushing their other artists. Thank goodness PD Bang said NO!
It’s not daily, but weekly I believe. Every network has their own music show, so there’s Music Bank (KBS), M Countdown (Mnet), Inkigayo (SBS), Music Core (MBC), Show Chanpion (SBS), etc. So whatever it was yesterday is one program, the next day is a different one.
@GetSidewaysReacts - Thanks for reviewing the Rise of Bangtan Series. Really enjoying it. One small point - a reminder - there is no way financially that Big Hit would have been able to manipulate the charts at that time since they were nearly bankrupt. What the Big 3 Agencies and their fans were doing - and are still doing - is spreading lies and rumors to knock BTS out of the way so their artists can be on top.
back then it was harder and more expensive to order online, and it was not in english so you had to know a korean person who could order a bunch of albums for you and other armys because shipping was cheaper that way. It was very annoying because normal Us stores did not sell kpop albums. so army's kept asking the store to get them and at last they could not ignore the demand and contacted bighit.
You worked hard! is something like, "Thank you for your efforts of working hard for us".^^ The direct translation of 수고하셨습니다. is 'you work hard' but it implies the staff members have worked to prepared and do for them so we Korean always compliment them like that.
The Korean 'We will work hard' (as well in Japanese) means they will give their best for their fans in the future that they will put even more effort and work harder for their next comeback (single/album/concert etc.). Big Hit was still in the red when HYYH (the most beautiful moment pt1) came out with its lead single I Need U. They simply did not have the resources for sajaegi and later when they got the resources (2018 and onwards) they had ARMY in LEGIONS.
Yeah, you’ve worked hard is similar to good job in usage. I really like it because it really focuses on the effort rather than the outcome. Of course, you want a good outcome too, but I think it’s effort that really matters. Even if you don’t get a good outcome at first if you keep putting in the effort you’ll move forward.
Actually chart manipulation does really happens in korea. Since bts is not part of the big 3 and were not so famous during that time, they always seems the target. But the accusation was then debunked and during the 2019 MAMA, when bts won song of the year award, jin actually subtly mention the chart manipulation where he said, "There are methods of cheating but wouldn't it be better to make music in more honest ways? I hope the time will come when everyone makes good music and listen to good music."
Did you know, that EVEN AFTER WINNING their first n1, BTS had to do stuff like dancing in the background of a model runway to earn some money. For the next MV after I Need you, they used staff's personal cars. There are pictured of it online, it seems so crazy but it shows they had to do a lot to have money. And you're telling me that they could whip out thousends of dollars to buy back albums just to infante the numbers without real profit. LMAO They were a lot less popular in Korea than overseas, that's why it seemed ridiculous that the album could sell more than well known domestically korean act. And that's why they were accused of sajaegi.
Hi Guys….it’s funny how I and ARMY, know our reactors so well. I check my phone early every morning knowing you have posted by BTS and every Sunday for Rise of Bangtan…which is how we know it’s been three weeks. Yes, we can and have watched it on our own, but I live alone and it is so much fun to watch with someone else, even though it is previously recorded. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
As they were and still are more popular globally than in Korea, fans of other groups accused them of manipulation. I can mention the case of my country, I'm from Brazil and we didn't always have or have direct sales of their album and other official merchandise, so some companies buy in Korea and then ship to Brazil, to resell to us, but the initial sales count for Korean charts, not Brazilian ones.
I remember when the INU MV dropped - EVERYONE was absolutely shocked! Not many idol groups had gone this dark of a route in an MV and it is honestly risky with how hard things are censored on korean TV
There are/were 6 different weekly shows idols were expected to attend: Show Champion Music Bank Inkigayo M Countdown Music Core The Show Idols are expected to do each of these shows during comeback promotions, which can last 3-4 weeks, sometimes more. And they usually film diring the night hours...its a grueling schedule.
34:50... I'm glad the boys didn't go back to those TV shows where they ridiculed the guests, in some cases they hit them and disrespected them... luckily then we had RUN BTS
The Kpop groups do "promotions" when they release a new song and this means often *daily* appearances on the many music shows that Korea has. It's not unlike a popular act doing the performing rounds at all the big TV talk shows in the US, when promoting a new song. The Korean music shows have awards to the top songs/acts of the week (ie: 6 different shows, for 6 days, 6 possible awards - and this can continue for weeks if the songs are popular enough, though the bands don't go to the shows every day after the first 7-10 days of promotions)
finally, i was waiting for this reaction video for the past week, i didnt want to watch the rise of bangtan without u all, now u all make my day thank u all
24:58 hi i'm one of your subscribers from malaysia 😁 and that was the last time bts came to my country which was in 2015 😅👌 hopefully they'll come here again for the future concert tour 💜 Always loved your reaction ✨
BTS's songs really stand out on the music shows, in contrast with all that fluffy, dumb bubblegum pop. I mean, there's a place for that music, too, but no wonder the guys' albums from back then sell huge numbers still, while those other songs are mostly forgotten. 💜
BTS didn't manipulate the charts. They didn't buy their own albums. The accusation of sajaegi for BTS was all false. Bighit doesn't have the means to do any of that bcos their company near to bankruptcy that time. I NEED U and HYYH Album save them from disbandment and bighit from bankruptcy. Big3 companies are the ones who complains for BTS being #1 bcos they can't accept the fact that a group from small is thriving. They just want to ruin bangtan. BTS IS ORGANIC. All of their success is ORGANIC since day1 up until now. They won the court. They prove that them receiving #1 for their Album was all right. And the demands was really high. HYYH Album and I NEED U as their title track really blows up. Everyone and their mamas know that. HYYH is ARMYs most fave era.
Yes, I think 'You've worked hard' is a version of 'good job'. Someone explained that after the war the Koreans were so poor that the whole country (top - down) they decided to work their buts off, and they did so (turned their economy around in what, 50 years?) it became such an ingrained attitude to 'work hard' that it's used today but in a slightly different context. At least this is to my understanding of the whole thing. Army can correct if not.
Also they didn’t even have enough money to do that. Their company was literally going bankrupt at some point so how would the even be able to afford to manipulate the charts
Bang PD is the name of the CEO of Big Hit. I love MCA's realization of " You worked hard" & "Good job" being the same. That's so cool. To me it seems impossible that BTS committed chart manipulation because it just doesn't seem like something they of Bang PD would do, you can't fake hard work, talent, amazing performances and great music. The PROOF is all there. Plus BIG HIT was too poor to even afford to buy enough albums or pay off enough people to accomplish it when they started. BORAHAE DJ & MCA!💜💜 BORAHAE ARMY!💜😁🤟
I've missed this! IMO I think the "you've worked hard" = "thank you for your effort/time/help" kinda comments but the basic idea gets across either way. We see all those shenanigans in the music industry now. Army is still being accused of manipulating the charts , because apparently we are "bots". Whatever, we know that there are millions of armys world wide. BTS sells out every tour no matter how many shows are offered where a lot of artist have trouble selling out 2 nights. 8 nights of sold out stadiums filled with international fans, if that doesn't tell you something, you are not paying attention LOL! Army does have one thing that I think really stands out though, we do our research. Even now that the William board has changed it's rules, there are a lot of army doing the research on how to most effectively and effeciently chart the next title song the Tannies release. That is something I think set army apart from a lot of other fandoms.
Yes the music shows maybe weekly but....there are a lot of shows that are weekly. And to be popular u need to be on EVERY show. Which turns out to be daily . so that do live performances daily for two may three weeks. Suga said that it is to much to do to artist/ Idols.
I guess they performed for different show. Coz they are so many music shows like Mnet music show, music bank, and others... Just like there are so many awards shows in one year (MAMA, MMA, SMA, KMA)
Suga does and physical album review. That is cool. Good job is a good way to think of u worked hard. It is a end of work day phrase that seem to be common in Asian countries. Now fighting is interpreted good job and should be said as u can do it. More of a encouragement I'm praying for u. I'm with u. The chart manipulation thing follows BTS because no-one can believe they were and are still as popular as they are. One thing that BTS did or I should say is what PD nim did was to promote BTS abroad. he did not think the concepts would be popular in korea. At first Bts was not that popular in Korea but very popular elsewhere which showed in album sales outside of korea. There first full concert was in Japan before they did it in korea. Rise of Bang tan shows the number of fans in the corners. Anyway that is how they start winning music shows because of albums sales and stuff outside korea. Big hit as a company back the only had BTS as it's group. And they did not have a bunch of money. During the previous album The members were making money by cleaning hotel rooms in the USA. They did anything to make as money. So when they beat Exid it was crazy that a small company with only one act could beat a group from the big 3. That is how chart manipulation can up because no-one would have believed it could happen. Now HYBE is so big they were trying to buy SM last year
I missed the churro reference. What was it you got right MCA? I believe "fighting" is a pump up message like Lets go, or let's do it in English. And "you worked hard" is definitely like great job or atta boy.
The churro reference was when they were confused what the thumbnail was - around 33:36 - and MCA said something like “longest churro” and turns out he was right :)
Accusing BTS of doing chart manipulations is ridiculous cuz their company literally didn’t have enough money to keep the company running. What happened was BTS engaged with their fans more than how other artists did not in a traditional way. They took to social media or in their terms SNS, somehow managed to get a lot of global reach than other artists. That’s how they won. But since other kpop groups/public haven’t seen this kind of approach before they started accusing them. Usually people resist any kind of change, doesn’t try to understand it first because it’s far from what they are used to and know, that’s the nature right. (By change I mean in this case the new technology/social media based approach to reaching fans). I think that’s what happened with them.
Thank you for react ‘only the biggest’. Because some of reactors do the same thing in the beginning, and then after they get a lot views , they react the other idol. And after that, the views get down and then they react bangtan again. i don’t respect them in that way. Sorry for my english.
The wins were an especially big deal bc they were up against BIG name groups. Exid, EXO, big bang? Those were the biggest groups of that time. The most popular boy group at that time was EXO. The backlash from EXO-Ls after BTS got their first win against them was insane. Many of the sajaegi accusations were found to be made by EXO-Ls. That is not to say all EXO-Ls of course, only very few of them, but any big fandom has a few crazy bad nuts in it, and ARMY is certainly no exception. Fanwara btw EXO-Ls and ARMYs were pretty common back then, BC ARMY was trying desperately to protect BTS from the accusations. They had gotten hate for even having the same hair colour as exo members, or copying school concepts (which is ridiculous, BC nearly every group to date has done some sort of school concept). The sajaegi thing is also ridiculous, BC Bighit didn't even have that sort of money back then. The person "beating up" jk in the run MV was their manager, BC they couldn't afford actors.
ua-cam.com/video/2GEXISy91XM/v-deo.html This is the link in w/c Suga produced and directed the vocals of the members..a very talented and amazing guy 💜💜💜
you guys never give any attention to jungkook and jin. especially jungkook.i never heard you guys talk about him or giving him any attension to him or his solo work .is this just me or anybody else noticed that too?
Thank you! Have you watched BTS hardships 13-2021 by XCeleste? It’s very good ua-cam.com/video/EdY6wnLsetQ/v-deo.html And The most beautiful life goes on a story of BTS ua-cam.com/video/0KonKFssKnM/v-deo.html
I'm pretty sure plenty of ARMYs would explain what the situation was at that time but I just want to mention that to prove their innocence and stop the rumors, BigHit submitted themselves to investigations and the result was made public. They were not guilty of any chart manipulation at all. Rumors were spread by fans of the groups who lost at that time.
As a new BTS fan, and I'm saying new, being relatively under 2 years. I would love to know what groups spread those rumors because I'm starting to expand in the K-pop and f*** all those other groups if they talk badly about BTS if they tried to inhibit their success I don't want any part of it
@@nycholenewman2129 he/she said FANS OF OTHER GROUPS, so it's not the other group who spread the rumours. there is always fans like that. Chill out.
it still amazes me that bts was more popular globally than in Korea for a while. I remember how shocked bts was when they went to the US and realized people knew them. Jhope and Jin were spotted in American hustle life and jhope said "people know me here, but not in Korea"
I think BTS was “half-famous” because they were not part of the Big 3. BigHits couldn’t afford to pay for airtime for them (and they DEFINITELY couldn’t afford to pay for chart manipulation). Even if they were on a show, their slot would often get cut. BTS had to get themselves in front of fans through sheer talent and determination. But I think their sincerity, relatability and authenticity kept them in front of fans. I became a fan during the BS&T era - it only took 1/2 a MV and I was instant ARMY. My favorite era of theirs is HYYH (all parts) - just the most heartbreaking and amazing era.
Yes. I think so.
You said what I was just gonna comment! Also, the reason why that guy said, "The half famous ones? They're actually the worst." is this: Famous groups (backed by large companies) basically have their career set for them. Of course, they work hard too, but they pretty much have a road of decent success ahead. The groups that no one knows? Their career is over, which is sad, but it also means that they don't have anything to slave over now. Meanwhile, the middle tier, has it the worst because *they have to keep working* - nothing is set in stone for them and every comeback means more resources spent by their companies, so they're risking everything by continuing to push forward. That's what BTS were in their first few years. Having considerable fame outside of Korea, but not being recognized (and being mocked) in their own country. I'm glad they now have the success they deserved 💜
@@alexis.george 💜
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Yessssss! Same! I loved being part of the theorising community, it was so much fun, but the HYYH universe storyline is just too heartbreaking
The show charts are weekly but there are 4-5 different shows so they end up doing performances almost every day
Exactly. There are different shows such as M! Countdown, Music Bank, Inkigayo, and so on that each have a weekly show.
And just to add a little more info because this is rarely mentioned here on youtube that I sometimes wonder if yt ARMYs are even aware of this. On several of these shows, we international fans actually get to vote as well. The different shows usually have an app, where fans can collect daily points. When BTS releases a new single we then use these points in the app to vote. We have voting organizations on Twitter that are great at motivating ARMY to take part.
@@KARMA_Camilla Thank you for letting new ARMY know about this.
Yes, after Seo Taiji I love BTS. Warm greetings from The Netherlands 👍💜🍀🤘🇱🇺🌷🤗
bighit has NEVER manipulated charts. I'm from Russia and in the same year ruarmy wrote a letter saying that many albums from the SK were bought in our country. as a result, koreans (fans of other bands, haters of bts) registered on our platforms and wrote in the comments in the bts communities so that we would provide receipts for the purchase of albums. we even have a ruarmy meme "show the checks" lol
Thanks for the info
@@chrissturkenboom6080 you're welcome 💜
wow the pettiness... :/ but it's impressive to see how the fandom mobilized to basically testify FOR bts :)
wow i didn’t even know this, this is why i’m so protective of bts. literally everything was stacked against them and every kpop fan is bitter towards their success. even until now
aha the company (bighit) def didn't do asajaegi (chart manipulation) bc i doubt they could afford it + jin a while back spoke out against it during an award reception speech.
I love that speech! He was very diplomatic but he definitely got his point across. And RM's face behind him is just *chef's kiss*
Please tell me what's the guy name who was saying about the bts chart manipulation
Yes. They (the company) were taken to court and proven innocent.
"You've worked hard."="Good job" or "Well-done" is a good catch, I think the same too. Tho I'm Asian, in my country, we don't have an equivalent to this expression and we usually borrow english expressions like "good job" "nice". I'm not very familiar with other cultures but I usually hear "You've worked hard" expression as a form of appreciation from Koreans and Japanese. In Japanese, it is said as "Otsukare samadeshita", BTS always say this phrase to J-armys and J-staff whenever they have a concert in Japan. Hobi usually say the phrase in tune and one time he asked the live band to play an instrumentals over it, then Yoongi suggested that what if we made it into a song, thus "Otsukare", trot song, was born, originally by Hobi and Yoongi and performed by the 2 of them only (It's so funny to think how did they convince Yoongi to sing & dance a trot song, lol), then much later an OT7 performance of it was done too. They usually perform this on Musters, it's a fanmeeting concert, a little bit laidback and more intimate with fans, they usually perform songs that wasn't included in their tour setlist. I will put a link under this comment if ever I'll find the fanmade video compilation on how "Otsukare" was born. Armys are so amazing in finding the vids and connecting them to tell the story.
Link of otsukare pls...behind the scene..thank you
@@yammylattan2821 lol... i've found it 💜
ua-cam.com/video/jKepH-hPI88/v-deo.html
BTS didn't manipulate charts, they went to court and got cleared for it. those accusations were so loud that their career was affected. certainly there's a lot of companies that do it and sadly they dont go under fire for it. BTS was a target at that time and still is now tbh. they are the pride of korea but still their competitors try to chop them off or use them for their own agendas.....
DJ is correct. They were in the “ Not So Famous” category because they weren’t part of the Big 3 companies. Thank you for taking the time to react to these :) 💜💜
bighit didnt do sajaegi TT to do that you need a lot of money and jin had even spoken against it in an award show speech. this entire series is meant to show you the contrast between what the other kpop acts did and what bts did defying all the stereotypes and norms that only thr big company kpop groups could be successful. they didnt rely on any institutional pillar (media or money etc) unlike other acts and rather grew organically with the help of their fans and music.
The thing is they've actually been pretty popular internationally since day one, but domestically, every other company was trying to bring them down. And since it is their own country, it's even harder for them, so yea, they were in the category of the not so famous groups that suffers the most.
They were famous abroad because of their logs and videos and always taking the time to talk with their fans even before ARMy was established..and being in camera 24/7 fans wrre able to watch them and learn about them..how genuine BTS ..
BTS were literally underdogs, who became the STANDARD of k-pop...Their inspirational journey keeps me moving.....
To this day, its a mystery how V did so good in those heels having never worn any before. TO be fair though, the ones he had are among the most supportive type that are not boots. The straps and ankle support make those easier to walk in than pumps.
They won Rookie of the Year at all the Award shows in 2013
Had to laugh at the whole lipstick chaos at their first win. Most of them - lipstick smeared all over. JK - almost got it. And then Jin - flawless. Shining, glossy lips, looking kissable as F.
WWH, master of visuals indeed. :D
(And he's not even my bias. ;) )
Yes, in America "good job". In Korea and Japan "you've worked hard"
So, they praise the efforts not the results
There is a show every day, every channel has one, but it is for the week, so you go to different broadcasting every day for 2 weeks to compete live to get number 1 and get recognition.
BTS back then fell in the not so famous category.
In March of 2015 was the year that I became an ARMY! And just getting to know them was a rollercoaster. When they dropped the album, I streamed the song for hours after it was released and I voted for those award shows nonstop. UA-cam also was deleting views from the mv as well. For me as a fan, it was a tough time with all the backlash that they were getting. But I knew BTS deserved to be recognized.
Aghhh I’m so happy I was waiting for this I haven’t watched this series but I was watching it with you guys
Me too
Same here
having a bias is normal but please give your love and support to all of the members.
Yes, the charts are weakly, but several tv stations have lanking show. When you have a hit song, you get to perform several times a week.
You got it right! “You’ve worked hard!” is synonymous to saying thank you or good job in Korean culture.
Watching these episodes again really made me realize how much these boys make me smile 😭 Like V said, being in a group means they get to have fun together easily. Also, Taetae's personality is just amazing 💜
The commentary about the 3 tiers of fame in KPop groups and the behavior of the Big 3 companies definitely reminds me of RM's verse in Ddaeng. Lots of frog in a well behavior being showcased in this episode.
BTS is anti-chart manipulation/sajaegi. In 2019 MAMA, they won all 4 daesangs (grand prize awards), and in one of their acceptance speeches for a daesang, Jin spoke on behalf of the group to encourage artists/industry to get their music heard in honest ways and he did it as respectful as possible. I could tell the members agreed to have this message for this acceptance speech (i was watching it live online), because when they went up to get the award, the members faces were all serious. When Jin finished his speech, RM on the side immediately nodded knowingly and clapped in agreement.
bts was actually bigger overseas than in their own homecountry. Being from the big3 automatically guarantees you succes in korea and them coming from a small company winning against a big3 group was something they couldnt imagine (stupid i know) but bighit NEVER manipulated anything, they even submitted themselves to investigation and went to court and they were cleared not guilty
yeah and they even filmed the staff when BTS won that first award and you could clearly hear, they were just as surprised as BTS. and they used staff as extras they have everything on tape which is a good thing. i also think bighit got used to allegations so they tried hard to protect BTS against slander. they even filmed that rapporter breaking into bighit to bad he didn´t know he was being filmed doing it 😁
Those music shows were weekly but there are like 4 or 5 of them on different networks and they air on different days so as to not overlap. So when he said that the other group won yesterday, he meant the show from yesterday’s tv station music show.
-if you’re trying to encourage someone you can say “you’re doing great sweetie”
😭😭😭
They weren’t in a financial position to do chart manipulation. They weren’t an overnight success either, people just didn’t pay attention to them until they started winning and didn’t think they should be beating these more known groups. There’s a whole video on SM trying to buy BTS from BigHit becuz they were competing with their groups. But they were known for buying competing artists from their companies and then shelving them, while pushing their other artists. Thank goodness PD Bang said NO!
They acting so good, and V's part so touched..many people have gosebomb and screaming with his acting 😘🥰
Watching "Rise of Bangtan" is a very happy thing for me. Thank you two gentlemen. 😍👍👏💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
It’s not daily, but weekly I believe. Every network has their own music show, so there’s Music Bank (KBS), M Countdown (Mnet), Inkigayo (SBS), Music Core (MBC), Show Chanpion (SBS), etc. So whatever it was yesterday is one program, the next day is a different one.
And isn't it a 2 week promotional period for each artist's comeback?
@GetSidewaysReacts - Thanks for reviewing the Rise of Bangtan Series. Really enjoying it. One small point - a reminder - there is no way financially that Big Hit would have been able to manipulate the charts at that time since they were nearly bankrupt. What the Big 3 Agencies and their fans were doing - and are still doing - is spreading lies and rumors to knock BTS out of the way so their artists can be on top.
back then it was harder and more expensive to order online, and it was not in english so you had to know a korean person who could order a bunch of albums for you and other armys because shipping was cheaper that way. It was very annoying because normal Us stores did not sell kpop albums. so army's kept asking the store to get them and at last they could not ignore the demand and contacted bighit.
2015-2016 BTS has the most special place in my heart, the hardest struggles they had to go through but proved everyone Wrong!!!
I was waiting for this cuz I’m watching this series with you guys 🫶🏼💜
You worked hard! is something like, "Thank you for your efforts of working hard for us".^^
The direct translation of 수고하셨습니다. is 'you work hard' but it implies the staff members have worked to prepared and do for them so we Korean always compliment them like that.
The Korean 'We will work hard' (as well in Japanese) means they will give their best for their fans in the future that they will put even more effort and work harder for their next comeback (single/album/concert etc.).
Big Hit was still in the red when HYYH (the most beautiful moment pt1) came out with its lead single I Need U. They simply did not have the resources for sajaegi and later when they got the resources (2018 and onwards) they had ARMY in LEGIONS.
music shows are weekly, but there are like 4-5 such shows. the winner is based off charts, streams, sales, UA-cam views etc
Yeah, you’ve worked hard is similar to good job in usage. I really like it because it really focuses on the effort rather than the outcome. Of course, you want a good outcome too, but I think it’s effort that really matters. Even if you don’t get a good outcome at first if you keep putting in the effort you’ll move forward.
Actually chart manipulation does really happens in korea. Since bts is not part of the big 3 and were not so famous during that time, they always seems the target. But the accusation was then debunked and during the 2019 MAMA, when bts won song of the year award, jin actually subtly mention the chart manipulation where he said, "There are methods of cheating but wouldn't it be better to make music in more honest ways? I hope the time will come when everyone makes good music and listen to good music."
Did you know, that EVEN AFTER WINNING their first n1, BTS had to do stuff like dancing in the background of a model runway to earn some money. For the next MV after I Need you, they used staff's personal cars. There are pictured of it online, it seems so crazy but it shows they had to do a lot to have money. And you're telling me that they could whip out thousends of dollars to buy back albums just to infante the numbers without real profit. LMAO
They were a lot less popular in Korea than overseas, that's why it seemed ridiculous that the album could sell more than well known domestically korean act.
And that's why they were accused of sajaegi.
Hi Guys….it’s funny how I and ARMY, know our reactors so well. I check my phone early every morning knowing you have posted by BTS and every Sunday for Rise of Bangtan…which is how we know it’s been three weeks. Yes, we can and have watched it on our own, but I live alone and it is so much fun to watch with someone else, even though it is previously recorded. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Finally you are back with The rise of bangtan... I've been waiting this every single Sunday.. Thank you..
As they were and still are more popular globally than in Korea, fans of other groups accused them of manipulation. I can mention the case of my country, I'm from Brazil and we didn't always have or have direct sales of their album and other official merchandise, so some companies buy in Korea and then ship to Brazil, to resell to us, but the initial sales count for Korean charts, not Brazilian ones.
I remember when the INU MV dropped - EVERYONE was absolutely shocked! Not many idol groups had gone this dark of a route in an MV and it is honestly risky with how hard things are censored on korean TV
There are/were 6 different weekly shows idols were expected to attend:
Show Champion
Music Bank
Inkigayo
M Countdown
Music Core
The Show
Idols are expected to do each of these shows during comeback promotions, which can last 3-4 weeks, sometimes more. And they usually film diring the night hours...its a grueling schedule.
Tae snd JKs dubsmash phase was absolutely hilarious 😂
34:50... I'm glad the boys didn't go back to those TV shows where they ridiculed the guests, in some cases they hit them and disrespected them... luckily then we had RUN BTS
The Kpop groups do "promotions" when they release a new song and this means often *daily* appearances on the many music shows that Korea has. It's not unlike a popular act doing the performing rounds at all the big TV talk shows in the US, when promoting a new song. The Korean music shows have awards to the top songs/acts of the week (ie: 6 different shows, for 6 days, 6 possible awards - and this can continue for weeks if the songs are popular enough, though the bands don't go to the shows every day after the first 7-10 days of promotions)
im so happy you continued this! 🥳🥳🥳 cant wait for the next chapter 🔥
YEAAY I was missing these sunday episodes. I've never watched "The Rise of Bangtan" so now I am watching it with you guys
finally, i was waiting for this reaction video for the past week, i didnt want to watch the rise of bangtan without u all, now u all make my day thank u all
24:58 hi i'm one of your subscribers from malaysia 😁 and that was the last time bts came to my country which was in 2015 😅👌 hopefully they'll come here again for the future concert tour 💜
Always loved your reaction ✨
Curling and Calling have similiar pronunciations in Korean hahahahaha
You've worked hard...It means 'thank U for your hard work& effort in Korea.
BTS's songs really stand out on the music shows, in contrast with all that fluffy, dumb bubblegum pop. I mean, there's a place for that music, too, but no wonder the guys' albums from back then sell huge numbers still, while those other songs are mostly forgotten. 💜
BTS didn't manipulate the charts. They didn't buy their own albums. The accusation of sajaegi for BTS was all false. Bighit doesn't have the means to do any of that bcos their company near to bankruptcy that time. I NEED U and HYYH Album save them from disbandment and bighit from bankruptcy.
Big3 companies are the ones who complains for BTS being #1 bcos they can't accept the fact that a group from small is thriving. They just want to ruin bangtan.
BTS IS ORGANIC. All of their success is ORGANIC since day1 up until now. They won the court. They prove that them receiving #1 for their Album was all right. And the demands was really high. HYYH Album and I NEED U as their title track really blows up. Everyone and their mamas know that. HYYH is ARMYs most fave era.
I'm watching this serie with you guys so i'm happy that today was chp. 8. Love your reactions💜
This show charts are weekly but there are different shows so they perform almost every day for almost one month of promotions.
Go get a churro! It’s always a good idea💜
I hadn't even realized its been 3 weeks
Yes, I think 'You've worked hard' is a version of 'good job'. Someone explained that after the war the Koreans were so poor that the whole country (top - down) they decided to work their buts off, and they did so (turned their economy around in what, 50 years?) it became such an ingrained attitude to 'work hard' that it's used today but in a slightly different context. At least this is to my understanding of the whole thing. Army can correct if not.
Also they didn’t even have enough money to do that. Their company was literally going bankrupt at some point so how would the even be able to afford to manipulate the charts
Eu estava ansiosa por isso, porque assisto com vocês! Obrigada 💜🇧🇷
Thanks for reaction. Please do BTS- LET GO
@6:50 mark. mca, did you bow with the boys? lol.
39:29 old but gold memories 💜💜💜
Bang PD is the name of the CEO of Big Hit.
I love MCA's realization of " You worked hard" & "Good job" being the same.
That's so cool.
To me it seems impossible that BTS committed chart manipulation because it just doesn't seem like something they of Bang PD would do, you can't fake hard work, talent, amazing performances and great music. The PROOF is all there. Plus BIG HIT was too poor to even afford to buy enough albums or pay off enough people to accomplish it when they started.
BORAHAE DJ & MCA!💜💜
BORAHAE ARMY!💜😁🤟
Bang PD is no longer the CEO of Big Hit, he stepped down to concentrate on writting and producing music, This was announced on Weverse last year.
@@marydavis5234 Yes. I know. But at the time of the content, he was the CEO & in charge.
In the beginning, they were not famous or accepted. Remember they started with a unknown company that the big 3 didn't accept or acknowledge.
I've missed this! IMO I think the "you've worked hard" = "thank you for your effort/time/help" kinda comments but the basic idea gets across either way. We see all those shenanigans in the music industry now. Army is still being accused of manipulating the charts , because apparently we are "bots". Whatever, we know that there are millions of armys world wide. BTS sells out every tour no matter how many shows are offered where a lot of artist have trouble selling out 2 nights. 8 nights of sold out stadiums filled with international fans, if that doesn't tell you something, you are not paying attention LOL! Army does have one thing that I think really stands out though, we do our research. Even now that the William board has changed it's rules, there are a lot of army doing the research on how to most effectively and effeciently chart the next title song the Tannies release. That is something I think set army apart from a lot of other fandoms.
Yes the music shows maybe weekly but....there are a lot of shows that are weekly. And to be popular u need to be on EVERY show. Which turns out to be daily . so that do live performances daily for two may three weeks. Suga said that it is to much to do to artist/ Idols.
38:51 so that's the name of the song that taetae danced to😂😂😂
I guess they performed for different show. Coz they are so many music shows like Mnet music show, music bank, and others...
Just like there are so many awards shows in one year (MAMA, MMA, SMA, KMA)
Suga does and physical album review. That is cool.
Good job is a good way to think of u worked hard. It is a end of work day phrase that seem to be common in Asian countries. Now fighting is interpreted good job and should be said as u can do it. More of a encouragement I'm praying for u. I'm with u.
The chart manipulation thing follows BTS because no-one can believe they were and are still as popular as they are. One thing that BTS did or I should say is what PD nim did was to promote BTS abroad. he did not think the concepts would be popular in korea. At first Bts was not that popular in Korea but very popular elsewhere which showed in album sales outside of korea. There first full concert was in Japan before they did it in korea. Rise of Bang tan shows the number of fans in the corners. Anyway that is how they start winning music shows because of albums sales and stuff outside korea. Big hit as a company back the only had BTS as it's group. And they did not have a bunch of money. During the previous album The members were making money by cleaning hotel rooms in the USA. They did anything to make as money. So when they beat Exid it was crazy that a small company with only one act could beat a group from the big 3. That is how chart manipulation can up because no-one would have believed it could happen. Now HYBE is so big they were trying to buy SM last year
I missed the churro reference. What was it you got right MCA?
I believe "fighting" is a pump up message like Lets go, or let's do it in English. And "you worked hard" is definitely like great job or atta boy.
The churro reference was when they were confused what the thumbnail was - around 33:36 - and MCA said something like “longest churro” and turns out he was right :)
@@spicypisces_ thank you
Why are the subtitles separate from the video TT it's so hard to pay attention to everything. will try to come back to this later
listen to Moving on it's a great song when they moved out from their dorm.pleaaaaase
Accusing BTS of doing chart manipulations is ridiculous cuz their company literally didn’t have enough money to keep the company running. What happened was BTS engaged with their fans more than how other artists did not in a traditional way. They took to social media or in their terms SNS, somehow managed to get a lot of global reach than other artists. That’s how they won. But since other kpop groups/public haven’t seen this kind of approach before they started accusing them. Usually people resist any kind of change, doesn’t try to understand it first because it’s far from what they are used to and know, that’s the nature right. (By change I mean in this case the new technology/social media based approach to reaching fans). I think that’s what happened with them.
Chart manipulation during that time was not possible for BTS because bighit was going bankrupt and had no funds to manipulate the charts.
Good morning. Columbus missed Spring Day on the way to summer.
*When u going to react RUN BTS*
I would really eat some churros now 😋
The music shows were weekly but for several different channels airing throughout the week so....
Guys please make the screen a little larger
오~~ 잘봤어요💜💜💜💜
FINALLY
So fun😂😂😂😂😍
DJ go to jack in the box. They have churros. They are so delicious.
Work hard main do your best.
Muito bom 😃
Thank you for react ‘only the biggest’. Because some of reactors do the same thing in the beginning, and then after they get a lot views , they react the other idol. And after that, the views get down and then they react bangtan again. i don’t respect them in that way. Sorry for my english.
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Mca shaved!! Oh my
The wins were an especially big deal bc they were up against BIG name groups. Exid, EXO, big bang? Those were the biggest groups of that time. The most popular boy group at that time was EXO. The backlash from EXO-Ls after BTS got their first win against them was insane. Many of the sajaegi accusations were found to be made by EXO-Ls.
That is not to say all EXO-Ls of course, only very few of them, but any big fandom has a few crazy bad nuts in it, and ARMY is certainly no exception. Fanwara btw EXO-Ls and ARMYs were pretty common back then, BC ARMY was trying desperately to protect BTS from the accusations. They had gotten hate for even having the same hair colour as exo members, or copying school concepts (which is ridiculous, BC nearly every group to date has done some sort of school concept). The sajaegi thing is also ridiculous, BC Bighit didn't even have that sort of money back then. The person "beating up" jk in the run MV was their manager, BC they couldn't afford actors.
Those shoes were like wearing a boot, just opened cover. Easy to walk and dance in. Lol
Maybe for you but not for everyone, especially men…lol
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This is the link in w/c Suga produced and directed the vocals of the members..a very talented and amazing guy 💜💜💜
you guys never give any attention to jungkook and jin. especially jungkook.i never heard you guys talk about him or giving him any attension to him or his solo work .is this just me or anybody else noticed that too?
Thank you!
Have you watched BTS hardships 13-2021 by XCeleste? It’s very good
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And The most beautiful life goes on a story of BTS
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