Totally agree with the Ben S comment. When I found out he was 21, I was floored. The younger guys have a great opportunity to do things right from the start
The chemistry here is great among you guys. Always fascinating to listen and learn the history that Eric can ramble off. Love Berto and Jeff's practical and experiential knowledge. Such wells of knowledge on everyone's behalf to draw upon and bring forth new connections & learnings 🙏🏻 grateful for each of your generosity and shares.
Everything always comes back around to the basics. It’s a blessing and a curse to be so analytical because sometimes it takes you far away from the basics. Often the Bros in the gym who know very little do a better job than those who are analyzing things to death.
This is great! Definitely resonated. Started off trying to train like Arnold and Ronnie then spent 15 years trying to force my 6ft 5 frame into the big 3 training starting strength, brawn, HIIT then the last 3-4 years found the sweet spot using mostly machines and more moderate volume. Problem is I’m now 44 😂
Really enjoyed that. Great point about social media being used to amplify disagreement and choosing of teams/camps. I thought the section on lengthened/stretch is the best and least polarised view on the topic I've seen.
Thank you for sharing such fantastic insight, I am personally someone who is quite weary of leaving any gains on the table I am recently slapping myself for the amount of reps I could have done if it wasn't for trying to touch my chest on all pulling movements that's been a big one for me lately
This was really interesting. Loved the talk and even heard an old school name or two. Just found you guys recently and have really enjoyed your content. 👍🏼
Only a year and a half into the hypertrophy game, this channel has been such a gold mine of information. The information about why people train the tricep pressdown as a 'strength' rather than a builder to have a bigger compound lift was an eye opener. To me, I thought training the pressdown in a lower rep range would have more carryover. This is good news for me, I tend to get pretty cranky elbows, I'm quite the limby fella, so I'm going to try to keep my pressdowns 12+ from now on. And the long arm big chest thing. It's true lol my bench sucks but my pecs get stimulated to the max 😅
I remember Ed Coan talking about progression being the most important thing years ago, saying he knew that things were going well if all the accessories were going up along with the big three. Obviously, he was a powerlifter, but I think he was ahead of his time.
Hey, Eric. We are distant cousins. Don’t really find too many Helms’ outside of GA. My grandfather had a cousin the moved to CA to be in old Westerns. Keep up the amazing work. Love the info.
I said it before, I think this lengthened craz works for most because most never truly reach and train hard in a deeply lengthened muscle length. I don’t necessarily believe it’s that the deep stretch is more hypertrophic, rather the novelty of lifters reaching this range of motion for the first time is making it appear to be more hypertrophic.
Is it maybe possible because of the less front demt strezch compared to incline bench, dips or vlose grip bench, that the ohp is maybe a not so good fromt Delt builder? I mean you got more range in the more stretch position in the 3 exercises compared to ohp or shoulder presses
Whats your thoughts, that Hypertrophy maybe limititid at Same Point,because of Missing Some neuronal stuff Like how much fibers you can usw, rate coding and so in, of maybe Some energitic Bio stuff, that the muscle metabolism is Not Adapted Enough? Maybe Low Reps and Pump Training has there place im Hypertrophy Training?
I wonder why very advanced people need complete different things sometimes to growth. Alex enkiri has done breathingbsquads 1 set once per week and 8 weeks long without getting fat 2.5cm more leg size. Just doing 7 Sets in the 8 weeks of squads and then Some additional harnstring stuff. And Geoff and Eric need much Volume to grow
If someone advanced is genuinely growing on a single hard set per week I'd be very dubious as to whether that is the change in protocol that led to growth myself. Unless their legs were underdeveloped because they hadn't ever been trained with appropriate technique anyway, and had thus been doing sub one good set of work to begin with.
Bodybuilding is an idol for people. People hyper fixate, obsess, and overcomplicate it as a result. The correct measurement will continue to be the number of hard sets that you do. Genetics are #1, then intensity, then volume. The science isn’t actually science. Everything isn’t science
Only halfway through but so many gems here already!
I'd be lying if I said I was surprised GVS himself was taking in this type of content.
The hair to beard ratio from screen to screen is amazing.
Love listening to you guys talk about hypertrophy!
The Monster trio. You guys complement each other so nicely. Clean episode, thanks!
Listened to learn how to get more jacked and learned about being open-minded, which is like... MENTALLY jacked!!
Totally agree with the Ben S comment. When I found out he was 21, I was floored. The younger guys have a great opportunity to do things right from the start
The chemistry here is great among you guys. Always fascinating to listen and learn the history that Eric can ramble off. Love Berto and Jeff's practical and experiential knowledge. Such wells of knowledge on everyone's behalf to draw upon and bring forth new connections & learnings 🙏🏻 grateful for each of your generosity and shares.
Everything always comes back around to the basics. It’s a blessing and a curse to be so analytical because sometimes it takes you far away from the basics. Often the Bros in the gym who know very little do a better job than those who are analyzing things to death.
Well said! I over analyzed for the first decade and it didn’t get me far past noobie.
This is great! Definitely resonated. Started off trying to train like Arnold and Ronnie then spent 15 years trying to force my 6ft 5 frame into the big 3 training starting strength, brawn, HIIT then the last 3-4 years found the sweet spot using mostly machines and more moderate volume. Problem is I’m now 44 😂
Really enjoyed that. Great point about social media being used to amplify disagreement and choosing of teams/camps. I thought the section on lengthened/stretch is the best and least polarised view on the topic I've seen.
Thank you for sharing such fantastic insight, I am personally someone who is quite weary of leaving any gains on the table I am recently slapping myself for the amount of reps I could have done if it wasn't for trying to touch my chest on all pulling movements that's been a big one for me lately
These guys just got the good stuff. Great episode
Always a pleasure listening to you guys! Keep it up!
This was really interesting.
Loved the talk and even heard an old school name or two.
Just found you guys recently and have really enjoyed your content. 👍🏼
Only a year and a half into the hypertrophy game, this channel has been such a gold mine of information. The information about why people train the tricep pressdown as a 'strength' rather than a builder to have a bigger compound lift was an eye opener.
To me, I thought training the pressdown in a lower rep range would have more carryover. This is good news for me, I tend to get pretty cranky elbows, I'm quite the limby fella, so I'm going to try to keep my pressdowns 12+ from now on.
And the long arm big chest thing. It's true lol my bench sucks but my pecs get stimulated to the max 😅
When I say from now on, I'll give the 12-30 rep range ago
Fantastic conversation. So much information. Thank you for sharing.
My 3 favorites on 1 podcast
I remember Ed Coan talking about progression being the most important thing years ago, saying he knew that things were going well if all the accessories were going up along with the big three. Obviously, he was a powerlifter, but I think he was ahead of his time.
Ed Coan is completed messed up, body is ruined from powerlifting, you wanna be like that?
Hey, Eric. We are distant cousins. Don’t really find too many Helms’ outside of GA. My grandfather had a cousin the moved to CA to be in old Westerns. Keep up the amazing work. Love the info.
Really good video. You guys are getting better at making interesting videos. Congrats on the progress.
Great conversation guys! Thank you!
So excited for this one 🔥
The best episodes are often those without clear structure ^^
So good thanks guys!
Great podcast guys 👍💙🔥
Awesome!! Looking forward to this one 💪😁
36:07 immediately made me think of older physicists talking about decades past. Actually all scientists. So cool.
This was fantastic. I'm just sad that I now can't do incline curls anymore... 😉
Great discussion, and don't worry, no one heard Eric say "medial deltoid" :-)
I said it before, I think this lengthened craz works for most because most never truly reach and train hard in a deeply lengthened muscle length. I don’t necessarily believe it’s that the deep stretch is more hypertrophic, rather the novelty of lifters reaching this range of motion for the first time is making it appear to be more hypertrophic.
we have come full circle in bros vs science nerds it was bro half reps then team full rom and now half reps but in the opposite part of the lift
Valid point.
Is it maybe possible because of the less front demt strezch compared to incline bench, dips or vlose grip bench, that the ohp is maybe a not so good fromt Delt builder? I mean you got more range in the more stretch position in the 3 exercises compared to ohp or shoulder presses
Looking to other sports, I'd love to see some arm routines from gymnastics.
Our hips are still sore from 2013 powerbuilding era 😂. Chasing 1rm squats for leg hypertrophy
“It’s not mid, it’s bussin”-Alberto Núñez (june 27, 2024).
Whats your thoughts, that Hypertrophy maybe limititid at Same Point,because of Missing Some neuronal stuff Like how much fibers you can usw, rate coding and so in, of maybe Some energitic Bio stuff, that the muscle metabolism is Not Adapted Enough? Maybe Low Reps and Pump Training has there place im Hypertrophy Training?
Can I buy Jeff t shirt somewhere? I love it
Eric zooming from 2010🤣
My program is like Mike O'Hearn's.... Good nutrition, good training and awesome drugs
Have Somebody of you 3 have Seen Some more Low resonder clients which have Put after a decade of Training additional 3 to 5kg muscle or even more?
I wonder why very advanced people need complete different things sometimes to growth. Alex enkiri has done breathingbsquads 1 set once per week and 8 weeks long without getting fat 2.5cm more leg size. Just doing 7 Sets in the 8 weeks of squads and then Some additional harnstring stuff. And Geoff and Eric need much Volume to grow
If someone advanced is genuinely growing on a single hard set per week I'd be very dubious as to whether that is the change in protocol that led to growth myself. Unless their legs were underdeveloped because they hadn't ever been trained with appropriate technique anyway, and had thus been doing sub one good set of work to begin with.
@@dec8923 ITS a breathinz Squad you can Count this AS more than one set
Jeff 😂 that joke
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This is it
Bodybuilding is an idol for people. People hyper fixate, obsess, and overcomplicate it as a result. The correct measurement will continue to be the number of hard sets that you do. Genetics are #1, then intensity, then volume. The science isn’t actually science. Everything isn’t science