The F-20A is a $75 disappointment
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2024
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The F-20A Tigershark is a brand new rank 8 premium in War Thunder. For 75 USD it could be yours, making it the most expensive WT premium on the Gaijin store as of today. Is the F20 worth buying? - Ігри
"Hey my F-20 sucks I can't believe this!" Me when the airplane that was an objective downgrade of the F-16 is bad
ok but like the f16 is so absurdly overpowered in comparison to other 12.0s that it simply isn't fair; the f20 should not be moved down, the f16 should be moved up.
@@mewhenitfriday lmao
@@mewhenitfriday lmao 2x
@@mewhenitfridaylol. Lmao even
@@mewhenitfriday no shit because it gets fantasy flight model
It gets all the bonuses of FBW but none of the downsides
“Instead of putting two leaf blowers in their plane” This guy is hilarious.
The F5C will also go on sale this May for victory day, the F20 will not. So the real price difference is $40
i bought the f5c for 30 yeuros, it was cracked and i took the liberty to shoot my own bombs on people and it was so broken back then i'd just get a yellow belly, i'd still kill 3 more people after lmao. If only I didn't get teamkilled more times than I actually died 😭a10 brainiacs yknow
Stupid question but I'm pretty new; are the sales across gaijin? Do PS4 players get those sales?
@@dabbyduck517 Yes, you just have to buy the pack. It's on sale on steam for $30 on Xbox store for $30 and on Ps4 store for $30. The sale times and price are matched between all platforms
Will the mig 23 ml be on sale too?
Yeah it should be.@@iimasheriiol222
Not going to lie, I bought it. I did buy it to grind the US tech tree… now before I get roasted, I had a friend who started playing the game about a month ago and he is full boar into the US tech tree, I also started grinding it with him (German main). Basically, we both said, “I’ll buy it if you buy it…” response was “…bet”. We are both idiots.
W profile pic, I am entertained.
Ahhh what a tragedy 🤣
Honestly ive bought the mirage f1c 200, f4s, f4j(uk), mig-23ml, su-39 and the a6-e tram, they are all objectively good planes in their respective roles. That mirage is super underrated, i do extremely well with it.
I bought the F5C years ago and stopped playing last year, mental health is doing way better
@@mk6315dude if warthunder is affecting your mental health that is sad.
The problem with 11.7 and 12.0 planes is that you will constantly get uptiered so you always get enemies in much stronger planes
TLDR: Should I buy the F-5C???
TLDR: Yes.
If you can use the guns, then yes. If you are relying on missles only then no
💀@@Loudward__
Nah
no, just dont buy prems in warthunder
I was a bit suprised to see the dutch mlu skin i made in your video haha thanks for using it!
Hi
oh hi@@freezedvegetal
Lol i use it too, for the f5c aswell. Would it be possible to make it for the f5e aswell?
Long time player and I grabbed it cause it's an interesting plane. I think it belongs at 11.7. It is clearly better than the mig23ml and f4s, but it is no f16 or mig29 either. I do find it fun to fly, so I'm happy with it but I do agree that the F5c is a better pick for most.
I think the F-20 could stay at 12.0... If they moved all F16As to 12.3, and every other current 12.3+ should be moved up one BR step as well.
Wow, another banger of a video from Walv!s! 🎉 I've been eagerly awaiting this release, and it definitely didn't disappoint. Keep up the fantastic work, Walv!s! I'll be eagerly waiting for more awesome content from you. Your videos always leave me wanting more! 🔥💯
Can't wait to buy a 120$ F-16 block 50 premium
I'll be honest. If I hadn't gotten the F-20 as a gift from a good friend of mine, I would have hesitated, despite just how much I love it.
I adore the history of this aircraft, and naturally, its appearance in Area 88, a 1980s manga and anime about Cold War aviation, in which the protagonist flies the F-20. In fact, the very first skin ever done for the F-20 was the Area 88 skin I made and posted within a few hours of the dev server opening.
But in War Thunder it lands in an odd spot. I hesitate to call it overtiered, because on paper it's an F-16A with an F-5's airframe, but at the same time, considering the trouble I've had using it, especially in Sim, I can't help but admit to hoping it had a more favourable BR.
I simply spent the $25~ish to put a Talisman on my F-5E and wabam. Ez grind. Rank I - V is decently easy to complete with regular tech tree vehicles so long as you have a premium account, and the will power to grind for probably hundreds of hours, which a Premium would obviously help speed up but the F-5E is GODLY and let me finish the entire top-tier US in about a month of semi-casual play after work.
I did something similar,but with the F4E. I play SB mostly and 60K rp away from the F14A,got already the 15A/16A
While I do hate the fact that we are now getting Rank 8 premiums and even more so the F-20 as a premium which should have been an event vehicle. It at least isn't overpowered or undertiered. Its imo the perfect example of what a premium should be. A tech tree grinder and an SL farmer, not more, not less. Sure they can be strong, but they should never be stronger than tech tree vehicles.
I don't want rank 8 premiums in the first place, but if Gaijin is that greedy I wouldn't mind as much if they at least keep them balanced, rather than having the 10.3 situation with 32 F-5Cs and no variety whatsoever.
nice vid! I liked the editing and humor :P
Glad you enjoyed! :)
I like it. Full afterburner + airbrake and you can hang in any turn fight. But i seem to be fighting F-14/15s and MiG-23/29s more often than anything else. The missiles are solid. A lot of people think they can head on an all aspect missile. Taking a little bit of time to flank so enemies have less flares helps. The only thing really holding it back is the radar change.
This is only my experience with it. Im not advocating for anyone to purchase it. I got it because i like the airframe and see trainers over my house every year.
Airbrakre + afterburner? What is the point of that
@@NathanIrizarry1 better turning than just reducing engine power
Imagine playing war thunder for about 30min until you buy this thing and get tossed into 12.0 I got clapped hard playing bf109s when I was a noob so that must be absolute hell
Long a Time player here, Picked this thing up since F-5s are my favorite aircraft to fly, and while the F-20 has been a ton of fun, its in a really weird spot.
It's kinda a struggle bus if you attempt to fight craft at or above your BR, but excels in fighting things below it, and if it weren't for this jet having such a favorable matchmaker (constant down-tiers), it would be in a terrible position.
After playing for a while, I feel like we might need another BR decompress yet again in the 11.0 to 12.0-12.3 area, as the difference between and up-tier and down-tier is well,
Night And Day.
"It's kinda a struggle bus if you attempt to fight craft at or above your BR, but excels in fighting things below it"
How is that a point in its favor? (Every decent) 12.0 stomps in a downtier. Harder than this thing, too.
@@sdghtjsdcgs its not, its meant to specify that this thing is in a bad position because It is NOT a 12.0 competitive aircraft, its far worse than anything at that tier.
But at the same time its too good of a craft for 11.7, putting it in this terrible spot
I love how litteral years later its the same arugument F-16 vs the F-20 irl thats how it was because these planes were competing for the spot in the airforce, F-16 won out obviously but the F-20 did have a better AOA and was faster so the questions always been how would these 2 stacked up against each other.
War thunder players when there’s an overpowered premium: 😡😡
War thunder players when there’s a balanced premium: 😡😡
War thunder players when there’s a bad premium: 😡😡
My man the memes were on point!
F-20 costs $123 dollars in my currency (NZ). I got the F5C last year and grinded out the entire US air tech tree
got a 2.4 kd in it rn, i love the guns and the speed this thing has. Missiles are easily flared but if the enemy is not looking its really easy to get a +3km shot on someone with 9Ls. Very enjoyable and very efficient grinder, the thrust makes me never go back to the f-5c
I reckon it’s gonna be utterly busted in Air Arcade tho thanks to reloads
Not really still just a worse f16a
Arcade😂
who tf plays arcade, and even more importantnly, who tf play arcade with jets
@@jez_77 Aoeilaepae Kills Teams, a dude who’s WT user is literally just God, me occasionally
@@_17_55_ He just bullies arcade players cause he suck on realistic lmao Any decent RB player would wipe the floor with him and other "good" arcade players. Im RB only and when I used to force myself to play this garbage to do easier daily tasks I was always 1st in a team and basically never had less than 12-14 kills no matter what BR lineup I used. And all that without not even knowing meta for arcade. I stopped doing that cause it was way to dumb and boring, RB is just better in every aspect despite having shit ton of issues. I watched some of his videos and only like 10% or even less people even use flares there, literally the most basic defensive system. They just fly mindlessly and try to lock on anything they see
F5E-FCU tho??
Breddy gud
It’s better than the new f-20 in my opinion
its a F-5E with python 3's at 11.3 Its fun asf.
Thank you for this informative video, i wasn't considering it because i don't know much about air vehicles, but thanks nonetheless.
36 views smh prime walv!s would have 100k by now
ngl this would be a such nice event vehicle but they know that we all want this so they mass produced it for Northrop instead...
Eow, always suspected the F-20 was in a bad BR range, thanks for confirming......also....I've already grinded out the entire US Aircraft Tech tree......so.....all it has going over the F-16s is possibly a brake chute for better CAS landings?
I got my first f16A yesterday with grinding f5c
if you want good air tree grinder get f5c or a6e f5c is great fighter and a6e might lack performance but missiles makes it so viable to use
Why buy the F-20 to grind the US tech tree when you can buy the F-4S Phantom. The Phantom carries way more ordinance and has a very good radar.
so im grinding out the british air tree and i remember people talking about how trash the javalin was... is it still terrible? ngl it looks like an awsome plane and i wana know if im wasting my time with it.
How to asses if a jet in the British tech tree is mid:
Was it designed by the Brits? If yes, then no... It's not good in WT.
@@WalvisYT :c
@@WalvisYTB-but…. buccaneer….
Im thankful for not expecting the F-20 to be the be-all-end-all plane. Did i need the Tigershark when my US tt is complete answer is no i bought it because I like to collect vehicles when I am able. But all in all I think its a pretty good plane in the hands of someone who knows what the hell they are doing. But i enjoy the plane even with all its flaws.
Literally launched missing Zuni rockets and EFS.
i can't believe that the f-20 is 12.0 and not 11.7 or even 11.3
I bought it.. and it is absolutely my favorite plane in the game. Its fast, it accelerates well, it turns well, with the aim 7 it has legs, and close in the aim 9's work well. I would buy it again and I ace'd it because I have so much fun playing it
I'm happy you are enjoying your purchase! :)
So it’s kinda how I feel about the F4S, just not good enough of an airframe for the br.
Yo Walv!s, I think you should do the video aboud F-89D (I own it for couples of years). It have proxy fuse ffar rockets, can easy go over 900km/h and take head ons from over 3km range. Imo the most OP prem in WT. Love mate
I might at some point. It seems goofy enough to warrant a try. However, for now I will focus a bit on non-review content.
Just wait for next update
They shouldve sold this thing in June when the big selling point couldve been AMRAAMS at 12.0
well the plane is really funny in sim...or in airrb with 30mm gatling ^^
Could I ask for an M48 Video? It would be a great Video for a funny tank
At least you can experience said disappointment at mach 1.1 (except the level 4 players who buy it and crash on takeoff)
been using the f5e fcu thai fighter and its pretty fun
Same it’s extremely fun better than the f20 imo
I’m thinking about starting Germany ARB, do you think you could cover which premiums in that tree are good for the grind?
Here is a list of German premium jets which I would recommend buying:
- Sea Hawk Mk.100 (no longer on sale)
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Besides, I highly do not recommend grinding Germany unless you have grinded every other tech tree already; it's not worth it past props. If you must grind DE, I'd get the Ju 288C (everybody will hate you, though).
@@WalvisYT G.91 is still pretty solid even though it has major flaws
There are upgraded F-5s used by a private company to act as aggressor aircraft for US pilot training. They have JHMCS and Aim-9X capability 😂
Gaijoob pls
He's back you guys! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!
IMO the best use of spending real money is just premium time and flat out buying GE for convertible RP. I play arcade and take a 5 jets into every match so I get a long time in match and more opportunities to get targets destroyed, assists, etc..
that’s my recipe for grinding to top tier. I’m 36 hours of game time in, and in rank 7 already.
nah for 75 euros id just buy MULTIPLE games i havent played yet
News flash, a premium plane shouldn’t be the best plane at its BR.
Huge big brain moment 😂
Feel free to share the timestamp where I say a premium / the F-20A should be the best plane at it's BR.
@@WalvisYT Where exactly did say in my comment that you did say that?
from like 2:40 into the video until about 3:50, you're comparing the f20 to the f16, and you say "It's far removed from the being the best vehicle at it's battle rating" - You're not saying it's the best at it's BR. I'm just telling you that of course it's not going to be. Just think if it was the best vehicle at it's battlerating how many people would be calling it overpowered and broken and pay to win.
Me saying "big brain moment" is because this should be obvious to everyone.
theres a reason only 3 were made. and only intended for export. and immidetly cancled when the f18 could be exported lol
the most expensive thing in gaijin store is a ship for modern warships at a whopping 150$ its not available anymore i think
him: you shouldn't buy this jet.
*literally bought it*
Who, me? No.
It shows one clip in the loadout without a unit test drive unless it's from a different youtuber
@@rkc4344 That doesn't mean I bought it.
I enjoy the f20 but it shouldnt be 12.0 or they shiuld upgrade it armament options. The missoles are true to life, but it coukd carry up to 6800lbs of munitions for air to ground missions
The F-5 is actually the same airframe for the F-18:)
what if you want it cus you always loved how stupid the f20 was and liked its looks
even before snail touched it
The Official Wiggle will see this. Our disappointment is insurmountable
Seeing your name and skin i assume you're dutch. I am dutch and i love that skin. where can i get it?!
should have been 11.7 br and it would be absolutely great i love the plane but only having aim9Ls in 12.0 is rough the aim7f is great and pretty reliable but the aim9l i 12.0 is rough
I’m new to warthunder so how do I rank up my country
If i want to try it ill just do a test flight
"F Su-39
well i'm barely about to be on rank 3 USA but i want to speed up the process so buying the f-20 is the best shot for me rn unless the A-10 gets an upgrade. But i completely agree with u. I just want to get away from these low tier planes
but i have this Friday to make a choice before i get this cash.
In just a few days a bunch of packs on the Gaijin store will go on sale. I'd suggest you wait for these sales.
Keep in mind the F-20A will not go on sale until at least 6 months have passed since it came out; it'd buy the F-4S / F-5C on a discount over the non-discounted F-20A.
tbh its AOA and turn is lacking by 5 degrees of AOA and 4 degrees of turn so wait for buff ?
Should I buy the F35 in War ballder?
warthunder devs try not to release a shitty remodel plane as a 75 dollar premium paywall vehicle challenge
Well, since gaijin has regional pricing now, i pay less than half the price, guess being brazilian paid off afterall 🤣
I’ve been saying this since the test server. The F20 is an 11.0 aircraft at best.
I find it kind of odd, because the F-20 was known to be maneuverable during it's short life. In fact two of the test planes crashed because the pilots over Ged and went into G-Lock, killing the pilots and destroying the first two test aircraft. Sadly because I think only 3-5 of these were ever built there isn't much actual flight data save for testing aircraft.
f20 player when they see a su27 with 10 missiles : I am in danger :)
Very nice Video ty
You may do well in it, but everyone else flying it let me grind out my F-15 in a day.
I will only buy it during a sale, cus my GJN coins are scarce, and I only want to have it cus its an infamous jet.
damn i remember when top premiums were 60$ and not 75$
256 views smh, prime Walvis would have 717,835,281 views by now
bro if we lived on a world where 717 million people play wart hunter...
Well society would collapse
the ge for wt isnt for iPhone?
WT players when the $75 jet they buy isn't horribly broken
bro i should watch this video a bit earlier -75 to my bank
Even the F-4S is a better missile bus and it gets 8 missiles total (worth mentioning tho that 4 of those are Aim-9Hs)
F-4S is pretty sad though having no all-aspect IR missiles even though it should be able to carry 9Ls. Almost everything it faces Carry's all aspect IR missiles and you can definitely feel that disadvantage. No one flies high enough to make sparrows useful most of the time. The gun is also terrible, as well as it's belts, though the belts being bad is Gaijins choice.
i'm just going to assume you have a negative kd in the f5c and treat you like a zoo animal
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 F-4S is good, idk what youre talking about. 4 one of the best SARH missiles at this br, 4 IR missiles with good range and resistance to flares thanks to smaller seeker, a workable radar and HMD. Mig-23ML is better though as a pure fighter
@@fire_drake12.arc.24 At least it has more missiles than the F-20.... as the video says at that high BR the 9Ls aren't that useful either.
But I have to mention the HMD (almost) makes up for the horrible sidewinder
@@kolecnik -Aim-7F
-"best SARH"
only makes top 3 because the R-27 has only 2 radar variants
Should have been a tech tree vehicle
I disagee; it should have been an event vehicle, as most prototypes are.
Honestly either would be good but it would fit if it was in a folder after the F-5E but if they put it in after the F5 that would make me also disagree, so yeah prob would be best as a event especially with the new schedule @@WalvisYT
Nooo, you don't say?... An F-5E with one engine sucks at 12.0?.. who could have seen this coming?...
Just like real life lmao, when countries chose their current F5 and F16 manifesting over this hybrid
I will only get the F-20 once it goes on sale.
The concept that higher BR = more money worth is so broken by concept. Does that mean We are going to get premiums worth $90 in a couple years time as we get more and more advanced kit?
Yes obviously, it’s warthunder what do you expect
its alright but what was gaijin thinking making it $75 😭😭
WHY DID WAR THUNDER NOT ADD THE FUEL DROP TANK BRO >:(
Was it not the f16 engine?
does the ge app actually work?
Yes. Although how effectively you can actually earn GE does depend a bit on your region. I tested it out for myself, and it works exactly as advertised.
i love having a video about a scam, and then promoting a scam in the same video
75 dollars for a single playable character in a video game ? What the hell
hey i dont know if you recognize me from the mig 23 ML premium vid but i still dont know what premium to buy could you help me im down to grind usa and ussr tech tree please help me find a premium tysm
MiG-23ML, F-4S, and F-5C are all good premiums. All of them have different positives and negatives. I'd say pick whichever you think is the coolest. Personally, unless the matchmaker changed a lot, I'd go with the F-5C.
@@WalvisYT Tysm for the help you’re amazing btw one question you’re yt name is walvis and that Dutch you speak Dutch or German by any chance?
F-20A best jet in Fart Thunder
if you wanna grind the us tech tree
just buy the f5c
Please consider actually watching the video.
@@WalvisYT oh i did and then heard you reccomend the f5c aswell lol
Will the app work for an Xbox and iPhone?
Only android
even if it was the greates most op airplane (even more so then) do NOT GIVE A COMPANY THAT MUCH MONEY FOR A MICRO DLC ITEM
Test te 104s again
Cus the mach maker chang a litle
I'm immune to this cause I suck at aricraft so I stopped grinding em at 1.7
You dont event count in the players that fly SB as me, where its a pain to fight in F-5C that has no radar and only two AIM-9E missiles. The F-4S is better but its tank and not fighter. So F-20 is very good upgrade, only problem is the BR and better opponents, ye thats where i agree, not easy but still playable.
At least they're not making premiums better than tech tree vehicles... oh wait
Yeah the F20 is too expensive and uptiered so often it just can’t compete, maybe in 2 years it could be viable and also mind you, you can buy 2 copies of Helldivers 2 for one vehicle in War Thunder…