Rhythm Tengoku games in Rhythm Heaven Megamix GBA/3DS comparison
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- a direct comparison between the GBA and 3DS versions of all rhythm games featured in Rhythm Heaven Megamix originating in Rhythm Tengoku
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Rhythm Heaven Megamix footage from Kirby Mastah
Rhythm Tengoku footage from MF5K's Rhythm Tengoku Clip Pack
intro music is that one mashup I made - Ігри
part 2 with DS games: ua-cam.com/video/lM2GS6ngGQA/v-deo.html
Batabii I’m pretty sure all the fever ones are identical.
And the link for the music in the beginning?
Yes
@@power0029 there are some changes to some of the games. Air rally has less clouds, hole in one 2 has rhythm heaven replaced by worms. Etc.
Giant_Cat_Mario332 yeah I understand that but most of those changes are rather minuscule compared to what we see here.
my homeland is the void but purple
Did you happen to live on 000th street of the Jet block? We might be neighbors.
mine is the void
@@javierolmedo2225 we are neighbors!
I might be in the same street as you, do you live in the 000th street of the Net block?
So you’re onions. 🤣
3ds monkeys: Little cute recognisable
GBA monkeys: *T H I C C*
The ones from tap trial?
the ones in gba are more satisfying
wii monkeys: same as 3ds monkeys
@@YoudonknowwhoIam no way i didnt know that
@@aiden6jksheriffofsouls76 no way i didnt know that
I've recently noted that in Rhythm Tweezers, the eyes of the different vegetables turn bigger with each successfully played note.
Which now that I've noted it, it makes things exceptionally creepy.
this is cursed
Well, fruits genetics changes over the years and the fruits themselves become different
Like watermelons, in the past they looked like squishy coconuts, and now they are great.
Maybe in this universe those specific vegetables grow bigger eyes the happier/hairless they are
It wasnt creepy that the onions had faces and mouths?
Like when you miss only one time in the last one and you see the creepy onion staring at you with big eyes
@@CladuBlueBird Onion with hair: :|
Onion with no hair: :D
Karate joe straight up lenny faces in 3DS version
Ik
Now THAT’S stuck in my head.
Hey baby, howzit goin?
@@mateololero4091 deez beet is nons top
@@Binglesquirk (oh yeah) hey baby, listen to my phrase
The funny thing about Bunny Hop is that they ended up recreating the music, rather than using the Studio version from the CD they released years ago.
I think that was a good decision.
That’s funny
Ah yes, the two genders:
The Void
and
The Void But Purple
The void but purple
he/him? she/her? they/them? who knows that? i only know the pronouns void/purple void.
why is there a fake read more there
I am the void but purple
I'm void
I feel like sneaky spirits actually lost a good amount of personality just in how the ghosts move
In the GBA, they bounce up, then gradually accelerate down, which makes it fit with the swing melody a lot better. While in Megamix, they just kinda pop in and out a lot more suddenly, it looks less like bounces and more just slightly shifting to the right
It's like that in fever too, so I guess blame fever for that
Conlang Critic: Is named Conlang Critic, and makes episodes of a show called Conlang Critic that critique conlangs.
Also Conlang Critic:
I suspect it might be a framerate difference indeed.
A performance issue is possible, but unlikely.
It's more likely to be directly related to a hardware difference.
The exact refresh rate of the GBA's screen is 59.73 hz
If the 3DS has displays that actually hit 60 hz precisely (or very close to it)
Then running code that's framerate linked on a 3DS will mean the GBA code is running at 99.55% of the speed of the same code running on 3DS.
This isn't directly tied to performance of the processor; rather it's caused by syncing to the display refresh rate.
Obviously the exact rate of slowdown depends on what the precise framerates are.
This was a semi-regular problem on TV based consoles due to the fact that NTSC refresh rates are 59.97 hz
While PAL is 50 hz exactly.
And that's obviously a much more dramatic change.
The posterchild for this is Sonic - both because the gameplay slowed down, but also because the music did too. (later games such as Sonic 2 fixed the music, but the gameplay is still slower.)
The SNES doesn't get music slowdown because it's Audio CPU runs on a completely independent clock, thus changes to the rest of the system don't do anything to audio playback.
But games do still slow down unless they're tweaked with this in mind.
Sometimes they were, much of the time they weren't.
One known example of a game where the internal timing was changed correctly is Mario Kart - this game runs at exactly the same speed on PAL and NTSC.
(Obviously the PAL version has a lower framerate - but all the timing of everything is still the same.)
It feels more likely that it's just how the songs are stored. In the GBA version, they're basically just midis. So they might not be the "correct" speed. In fact, alot of them are a different tempo compared to the OST release. And Megamix uses the OST versions for most songs (Bunny Hop and Rat Race are the exception, for gameplay reasons), which is why the tempo is different.
Damn I was right about to write up a technical post like this, glad I scrolled through to see if anyone beat me to it. Great post, too.
Technology
Why wasn’t it a problem for the other games then?
In english please, I don't speak r/increasinglyverbose
This conlang seems quite derivative. Doesn't seem realistic for human speech.
hehe
then explain the gba video series
Most of the English songs in the GBA version are sung by Japanese singers, so there's bound to be some weirdness.
try again
Better than vötgil
9:50 It actually may be a result of how the original songs for Rhythm Tengoku are fully composed, but they had to be super-compressed and arranged down to the GBA's sound card. Once the Wii and 3DS versions of these games came out, they just used the original music tracks. (I believe that the arcade version of Rhythm Tengoku used the original music tracks as well)
EDIT: it is now the 15th and turns out more people saw this video and decided to subscribe because of it than there were people who saw this video and decided to UNsubscribe because of it, so I will not be making a second channel after all.
hey gamers and langers! this video is really different from my normal long videos, which are usually about linguistics and occasionally math! the thing is, I have other interests that I like to make videos about as well, like rhythm heaven. I like keeping all my different types of videos in one place because it's really convenient for me, but I recognize that not everyone who shares one of my interests is likely to share ALL of my interests.
SO, here's the plan, as of today (two days after this video was uploaded), this video has gained me negative two subscribers. if that number is still negative on the 15th, I'll finally give in and make a second channel. if not, I'll keep posting random stuff here on my main channel.
I subbed from the hangman video
18:57 me and the bois trying to discord call
I didn't know my favorite Conlang youtuber was ALSO a fan of one of my favorite Nintendo game series. Cool video!
Oh, by the way, the Clappy trio members are lions, not monkeys, Just sayin'
yeah. oops
Lionkeys
i thought that they were monkeys dressed as clowns lol
@@ValiTheSaltMan lion kings
Timestamps:
0:22 Karate Man (Karate Man Returns!)
1:44 Rhythm Tweezers (Rhythm Tweezers 2)
3:00 The Clappy Trio (The Clappy Trio 2)
4:26 Bunny Hop
5:35 Sneaky Spirits (Sneaky Spirits 2)
6:59 Power Calligraphy
9:01 Spaceball
10:29 Rat Race
11:53 Tap Trial
13:37 Ninja Bodyguard
14:57 Marching Orders
15:53 Space Dance
17:43 The Snappy Trio
18:53 Tap Trial 2
20:14 Cosmic Dance
21:45 Bouncy Road
22:35 Night Walk
24:06 Quiz Show
Rhythm tweezers (GBA): upgrade
Rhythm tweezers (3DS): go back
I kind of like the 3DS better though, is that an unpopular opinion or something?
@@royalblanket
The megamix one just looks really creepy
I mean
Their eyes expand for every hair that you pluck out
@@royalblanket SOMEONE GETS IT
Help me guys i think Karate Joe is hot
Your fine don't worry
@@abandonedchannel2387 I found this on Tumblr
karate joe is cute I agree
but you know who is hotter
the stomp farmer
@@PeeWeeDailey You know who is hotter than.
The pigs from Board Meeting
Nuh uh uh the blue bear is hot
The Clappy Trio are not monkeys, they're lions, or lion cubs.
THANK YOU!!! that fucked me up
2:09 you forgot to add that their eyes grow as you pluck
@ben offical yes it is
@ben offical No, the GBA version's eyes are always small, just popping out a bit. The 3DS version makes their eyes bigger with each hair.
@@dolomite1067 that doesn't really effect the gameplay so its not _that_ important.
@@Slowpoke-bu9pk Neither did the purple void.
@@Slowpoke-bu9pk neither does that the background stays the same in karate man returns, that in clappy trio 2 the sign descends, also that in spaceball you can't see the stars through the window, that in rat race the rats hide not behind plates but plates and cups...
do I need to go on?
19:48 to me it always looked like the tengoku platform was falling, not rising. The yellow squares look like they’re rising, so I think it makes the platform look descending.
when its "too fast" it looks the inverse, its just like a spinner going to fast clockwise to the point to look counter-clockwise
the song in the background: "hey baby, how's going?"
the gameplay: almost the world war 2
Is it just me or are the pixelated Gameboy graphics just so much nicer looking
I feel a bit mixed. There's some that I think just got improved, but there's definitely some things that lost a little charm in the conversion.
it's a mixed bag for me. for example, imo karate man looks a lot better now, but rhythm tweezers looks kinda eh in 3ds
I don’t dislike the smooth art style for Rhythm Heaven. It really bothers me in WarioWare though. It’s one of the reasons I disliked WarioWare Gold, it makes everything feel less edgy
@@Siphonay I think the art style really added to the charm in Gold
The worst transition (in graphics) is sneaky spirits
So, here is my "favorite design" list (I will be only talking about the graphic design, not the music etc):
Also, I am still playing Rhythm Tengoku in my phone emulator (pls don't kill me) and never played Megamix but I have a decent idea of what the two look like
0:23 Karate Man/Joe: GBA version looks better to me specially because it has more things on screen
1:48 Rhythm Tweezers: OH SHIT THE 3DS VERSION IS NIGHTMARE LOOKING, OH GOD (GBA wins on this one)
3:03 The Clappy Trio: I like the 3DS version more than the original one
4:27 Bunny Hop: Mixed, I like the two versions
5:38 Sneaky Spirits: Mixed
7:00 Power Calligraphy: Eeh... I don't like this minigame but... Mixed
9:04 Spaceball: Until now this is my FAVORITE minigame (probably because i haven't played Megamix yet). I like the 3DS visuals but it's also kinda weird... GBA wins this one
10:41 Rat Race: I like the 3DS version better
11:55 Tap Trial: The monkeys are bigger on Tengoku and their faces are... So weird... I will go with the 3DS
13:50 Ninja Bodyguard: I like the 3DS better because on Tengoku the masked ninjas faces are kind of weird (take a look at them)
14:58 Marching Orders: I like both versions equally (Also this minigame made me suffer so much on the GBA)
15:53 Space Dance: 3DS
17:45 The Snappy Trio: Lol their heads are so weird and BIG on the GBA, I'll go with Megamix
18:55 Tap Trial 2: Again, the monkeys are weird on GBA, and again I will go with the 3DS
20:15 Cosmic Dance: Huh, the colors in Tengoku are lighter. Welp, sorry again but I like the 3DS version
21:45 Bouncy Road: Both
22:36 Night Walk: Awww both are adorable! (I choose the two)
24:07 Quiz Show: UUUGH this one is just boring, but in visuals the best one is the 3DS (but still, this minigame will always be boring)
So, which one wins?
GBA points: 9
3DS points: 15
Sorry Tengoku...
Note: CONGRATULATIONS! You've read my entire comment yay! So, just to clarify: First: This is just MY opinion so please don't take it seriously because I am not talking in name of everyone and each person has it's own opinions okay? Second: Sorry for the bad grammar, I'm brazilian
I agree with almost everything here. I think that the GBA Sneaky Spirits is definitively better. Some of the charm was lost in the transition to smoothness. Also, I like 3DS Marching Orders more due to the orange background looking better with the marchers themselves. Everything else I pretty much agree with
Power Calligraphy on the Gameboy had soooo much more charm than the 3DS. That’s the only one on here that I will just flat out agree that the Gameboy version was better.
And lmao I was wondering if anyone was gonna say anything about the Ninja faces XD what is that a mustache???
You should see the english dub on 3DS version of Space Dance, it's awful but I agree with you on everything else
hooray for brazilian rhythm heaven fans!
yay now i know i'm not the only one LOL
19:40 the background is green screened, that's why.
ah ok
I love this conlang
Same
"I could've fixed this but decided not to"
Story of my life
I decided to document a few other differences that were missed.
Karate Man (Karate Man Returns)
- With the removal of the Flow gauge also comes the removal of the "Oh yeah" sound effect that can be heard at 0:39.
- It's worth noting that the lightbulbs were probably changed because they serve a more specific purpose in the other Karate Man games.
Rhythm Tweezers (Rhythm Tweezers 2)
- The vegetables have a slightly different reaction, not necessarily redrawn, where their eyes grow wider.
- The pulled hairs don't remain on screen during transitions in Megamix.
The Clappy Trio (The Clappy Trio 2)
- Not a difference, just wanted to point out that they're lions and not monkeys. You're not the only one that's made this mistake either.
Sneaky Spirits (Sneaky Spirits 2)
- This game is partially based on the Rhythm Heaven Fever version, as is the case with The Clappy Trio, Power Calligraphy, and Tap Trial.
- The spirits stay above the wall for longer.
Power Calligraphy
- The "Get Writing!" text doesn't appear at the start, a change that wasn't present in Fever.
- Discarded pages take longer to move offscreen.
Rat Race
- Interestingly, the plates and cups are present in the GBA version, but only appear in remixes.
Tap Trial
- Yet another one from Fever, but with more differences than you'd expect, such as the removal of the monkey's text at the start.
- The giraffe's thought bubble appears at the top of the screen, as mentioned, but in Fever it was a much smaller speech bubble at the top of the screen.
Ninja Bodyguard
- To fit with the artstyle better, the control display above the sword is a different color.
Marching Orders
- In the "OK" epilogue, you can see that the squadmates were given completely different hairstyles. You can see these in the GBA credits scene. It is a character redesign but it's different enough to be worth mentioning.
Night Walk
- The textboxes look completely different.
About the Marching Orders Redesign it goes much further then hair as their genders were completely swaped(Also the Sergent is Noticeably fatter)
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Also on Rhythm Tweezers, the eyes on the crops in the 3DS version get bigger as you pluck. The eyes in the Gameboy version don’t.
Ah yes, the 2 locations:
The void
The void but purple
Did I miss the one where you mentioned which conlang you were fluent in?
Please make a Rhythm Heaven based Conlang!
is this a challenge?
@@benny6675 Yes.
@@charlieg2262 aight
rhythm rally 2 will be slur.
I suppose!
22:42 You actually got me lol
rip bon odori ;~;
Don't worry why I megamixed (fuck you)
@@fathirathir2900 why you gotta be rude
rIp GoOd SmElL
8:46 - 9:01:
Is it just me that feels strangely emotional listening to that last part of “Power Calligraphy” and the comparison between the old and new versions of the soundtrack? I also love how the old and new versions of the OST use the left and right channels respectively.
Tap trial 2 just *sounds* like the never ending downward spiral of anxiety
You forgot one important thing in Karate Man/Returns: in 3DS, he hits most objects with his right fist, while the GBA version has him hitting most of them with his left.
It's the other way around
I like how the ones where you changed the speed are longer than the ones where you didn’t
I absolutely love your rhythm Heaven stuff; I hope you choose to do another video on this series soon, while you still have all those slick hangman subs ;)
i love bunny hop getting slowly more and more out of sync until it’s finally fixed
4:11 and in megamix before every applause they get happy, but in gba only they get happy before an "angry" applause
A good chunk of returning games in Megamix have their BPMs listed as slightly faster/slower internally, which is why they don't sync properly with their original versions.
That's interesting information. I wonder if the change was even intentional or if they just didn't notice they remade them slightly faster/slower.
"the void but purple" honestly
fun fact:cosmic dance was meant to be called space dance 2 but I think they just called is cosmic dance since space and cosmic mean the same thing
Thank you for this fact
17:33 Show ya moves, Falcon kick! Fa-Fal-con Punch!
The 2nd 2 ball near the end sounded so perfect
the intro of The Snappy (and probably the first one) Trio has the Trio Timing sign come down from the upper side of the screen in Megamix, in Tengoku it just fades from black to the game.
also the lions are happier in megamix
wait did i hear "bonjour" in ninja bodygaurd
i was expecting the sneaky spirits one to keep getting more and more out of sync honestly lmao
Changes You Missed:
The Arrow showing which button to press in Ninja Bodyguard is changed from red in Tengoku to black in Megamix
The Segment at the end in Marching Orders is slightly longer
The Circles in the background if Cosmic Dance are white instead of yellow
Can I just say:
for bouncy road, hearing the cymbal crash for every time a ball gets to the end instead of when the section ends in feels wrong
Everyone say thank you jan for feeding my hyperfixations.
Also 19:40 it actually starts to sound kinda cool before devolving into shit like thirty seconds later
24:01 there's an extra two beats at the end in the 3DS version.
22:01
"basically everything is the same here"
The background: Am I a joke to you?
19:36 acctually sound kinda good
imagine the tap trial 2 one became a real rhythm heaven game OH N-
Cool video, I remember the game when I had an GBA, Good memories :')
i remember now why the hell i recognized your name but now that i know you're gonna do rhythm heaven stuff i might as well subscribe after all, since your conlang stuff is also interesting
03:52 oh man i growed thinking that they are lions
They are, he's the one who's wrong
i managed to find gba, wii, and megamix version of power calligraphy in korean and couldnt find any differences
Omg there was a lot of difference in Tap Trial! It caught me off guard lol
Ngl that Tap Trial music was awesome
Minor change with Karate Man: In the GBA version, when the Flow gauge is filled up enough, Karate Joe will use his right hand to punch everything (hence he has enough power/flow to punch the heavier rocks). In the 3DS version, with the absence of flow, he'll continue to punch the plant pots with his left hand.
Great video man! You got a new suscriber!
Do one of Wii minigames
ds first
SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE
The new Clappy Trio also smiles more than before.
the worst part in marching orders (or as it's actually called in tengoku, marchers) is that in megamix he says "go!" and in tengoku he says something closer to "forward march!"
Karate Joe also uses his left hand for pots in the 3DS version instead of using the right hand for the GBA version
I think this is the first time I've heard the Rat Race music by itself. I like it; it feels very "Tom and Jerry"! The other music (Quiz Show aside) is good too, of course, but none of it was good in such a _specific_ way.
what do you think of similar big rhythm games, like osu or space channel 5 or rhythm thief? :D
I love rhythm games, but there's nothing like rhythm heaven
Conlang Critic, that is true
I thoroughly enjoyed this
my fave conlang tbh
*4:52*
Bunny Hop, but it sounds like it's being played in an empty underground parking lot
Tap trial In mega mix is basically a port from fever
Same with sneaky spirits and clappy trio
Is there many particular changes between the Wii version's extra game versions and the 3DS versions? They seem pretty much the same, but just curious
One thing about the whisker pulling... The eyes get bigger with each pull while GBA stays static.
7:28 can anyone explain what changes he means? I looked into both the Korean GBA and Megamix Power Caligraphy and I can't see any differences
Good news: the Korean power calligraphy difference was brought up in the iceberg video on this channel! In censoring most traditional japanese references, one of the characters in the final face was changed, that being the ear. Definitely not something I noticed; I had expected all characters to be changed
you didn't mention that in spaceball, the screen zooms out more than in GBA
I think tap trial, the clappy trio and sneaky spirits are ported from fever
When you left tap trial 2 tempo as it is, it look like tengoku getting tap lessons from megamix
Something you forgot is that in Rhythm Tweezers, the transition from vegetable to vegetable is SLIGHTLY earlier in GBA than in 3DS.
Wait! HOLD UP!
in Ninja Bodyguard, if you complete the practice (3DS), the same cutscene will show!
unfortunately, I couldn't find anyone who uploaded footage of them actually doing it with the practice mode and I don't have a 3ds capture card so :/
:/ oh well. Atleast the remastered cutscene is in our hearts.
@@DashyDesu :/ (UWU) oh wow
The Reason Why megamix spaceball waited at the start was becuse the fact that There's a mini tutorial at the start of gba that requierd you to hit 4 balls in a row to proceed.
In the rhythm tweezers, another notable difference is that the eyes slowly grow bigger
man . imagine trying to play some of these at the same time .
Things I noticed in tap trial: the girls posture is different, the giraffe looks different and the monkeys are smaller, that's all it is
MY FAVOURITE GAME EVER
17:44 : *BANANA IN PJ THEME SONG??!???*
What I will never understand is why they made the lower res video larger.
if I made them both actual size the gba footage would be way too small, so I made the word gba footage twice as big instead
Ah yes, music. The universal language (unless aliens don't have hearing)
[Edit]
I apologize for any discomfort caused by my insensitivity towards those with hearing impairments. I vow never to make such a dumb mistake again. I will never make fun of those with impairments of any kind, whether intentionally or unintentionally. Thank you for your kind understanding.
you know that there are humans who don't have hearing right
O great Conlang Critic, I have issued my apology. Please forgive me.
Where's the Doctor Bacteria game-minigame at? I mean, it is in both versions of the game, so...
megamix endless games don't count
Megaminx endless and all Rhythm Heaven minigames differences when then? Haha just kiddin
Unless... (shy face)
8:28 The little kids appearances are different! The girls have bangs.
8:35 Just don't mess up that part, *otherwise it would be a REALLY funny picture*
In Rhythm Tweezers, I think you forgot to mention that they switched the radishes(?) our for potatoes
2:15
Oop. Sorry D: guess I just missed it. I should have fact checked
The sneaky spirits part got me... I'll take that game
19:38 nice monke rhythm
1:40 I love that part that is fast
The giraffe from tap trial looks creepy in megamix with those eyes
Power calligraphy:
The "get writing!" Is only visible to the gba than the 3ds