My God what is it with Giants fans looking for wins at this point!? Seasons over and you saw what happened winning meaningless games last yr, dont fire daboll, FIRE DANIEL JONES!!!!
Nobody will ever say, “Yeah we’re just gonna lose out.” You probably will, but you still have the “never give up, never surrender” attitude, or you lose the locker room for good. Jones will be the head on the spike. Schoen and Daboll get to stay and find their quarterback.
Yeah, I don't know a single Giants fan who wants to see Jones anymore. Hell, I would've benched him after last year's Seattle game. I don't agree with your take on tanking though. It's a losing mentality. Win games for 3 reasons: -The morale of the players who WILL be here next year. -Giving the fans who go to the games something tangible to root for. Even the most ardent pro-tankers don't want to attend a game to watch on-field incompetence and a lost effort. -Respect from the rest of the league (even if just a modicum; babysteps). It would then be Joe Schoen's job to ensure he gets his QB of the future, no matter what it takes, and regardless of the team's placement. That's his job! Would love to hear your thoughts, and those of others.
@@cityofevil101010most giants fans never wanted him to begin with. Gettleman picked Jones over Josh Allen and if you look back at old videos of that draft most giants fans were enraged and shocked that they picked jones. Gettleman said giants fans would be pleased. He was wrong!
@cityofevil101010 im at that point because it's 10 frigging yrs of nonsense and we coulda had jayden daniels if not for devito winning games that meant nothing, I get the "dont have the loser mentality thing" but who really wants a repeat of us losing out on a top qb prospect
Yall guys remember when Joe said we didn’t pay jones 40 million a season to hand the ball off. Yeah that’s all we can do he also said who can screw up pick 5 n 7 and he got us 2 busts
They were coming off an above .500 season with a playoff win, were in no position to draft a QB, and in no position to sign one in a horrible FA QB class. You people need to stop acting like we had other options at QB in that offseason. Any GM is bringing back DJ at that point. The only thing you can reasonably criticize him on is giving a full contract over a franchise tag. Even then, they structured the contract KNOWING this was a possibility with a 2 year out..
Fire the coach and GM, let a new regime start with a new QB. Yes I know we promised them a chance at their own QB, but these last 2 szns show that they do not deserve that chance.
You guys switching up this fast is why we will be ass forever seriously. No stability. Just bring in whoever every 3 years . Like no you can’t do that. Especially knowing that they’ve had a bad QB since being here. Sorry they don’t deserve to get fired yet. They still need 2 more years
@@Thekidyusuke This guy is concerned about stability when the franchise is already in the trash. Schoen hits on 1 of every 5 draft picks, Daboll has not shown any above average ability as a coach. But they deserve their own QB?! These guys are bums!!!
@@eddyaveti3047you are falling for the media rage bait. There is no one to replace them with worth letting them go for especially before giving them a chance to draft their guy . There is no point to move on already. Jones is just that bad. It’s like going to work knowing there’s a guy there that’s going to fuck up the day for everyone day in and day out would you go to work with enthusiasm and belief or be disgruntled and half ass . Washington was ass got Jayden and are a completely different team . That’s how important getting “that guy” is for your team
Wow, BT! You just created a phrase that should live on and on. Butt fumble, double doink, and now, when a person talks themselves into getting fired, they " Joe Judged himself! Long time fan BT 😂
Yup let's set the franchise back even farther by firing everybody,Giants are in this position from doing exactly that. No regime ever gets a chance to build a team. Good teams aren't built overnight like everyone thinks they are
Last year everybody knew if you need a quarterback last year was the year to do it even if you had Daniel Jones last year was your chance to get a quarterback there's no quarterback in this year's draft that's a franchise quarterback they should have drafted Daniels regardless of what you had to give up you must get the quarterback first and then build around him they wanted to justify giving Daniel Jones all that money so they took a wide receiver in the draft because Mara felt so bad for Jones when everybody else knew Jones wasn't a franchise quarterback he must admit some accountability for the structure of this team be honest with the fans who's spending money to come see the Giants play
going from an F to D+ is improvement, but it still feels like shit. this is where i feel the giants are. the question should be - at this point in joe's tenure, would you expect the team to be the D+/C- team they are? maybe, but probably not if we're being honest. this is what it means to be under new york scrutiny, fwiw.
If you're not getting better, you're getting WORSE!!! Patience is earned at this point & schoen HASN'T earned it, TIMES UP!!! The DUMBEST moves in NYG HISTORY was Choosing DANIEL JONES over SAQUON BARKLEY, BARKLEY should've been FIRST PRIORITY! The NYG season was PREDICTABLE the "very second" they let SAQUON go. Before the season i predicted the NYG would win 4 games TOTAL.
What disturbs me most about the Schoen/Daboll era thus far is not only their failure to recognize in a timely manner, that Jones was not a legitimate NFL QB, when many fans were able to see that right-off, but that despite having full control of the NFL draft for 3 seasons now, the NY Giants Roster is devoid of high-end talent, expect for Dexter Lawrence who they didn't draft, and perhaps Nabers (too early to tell exactly what he matures into) who they drafted in 2024. The 2022 Draft looks like a complete bust. Jones possesses the skill-set aligned closer with that of a career back-up, than an elite QB. Thibo is so-so, not near the impact player that a team hopes for and expects from such a high draft pick. The Giants are outclassed athletically at many positions when facing top teams. Thibo and Burns are under-sized Edge Rushers who are often manhandled by larger and more powerful offensive lineman, forcing them to cheat taking an inside route, exposing the outside to big gains on runs by both Quarterbacks and running backs. Burns got trapped inside and allowed big gains around his corner on several plays in the Panthers game alone. Banks has been a lousy corner, Phillips, perhaps a little better than Banks, but nothing to write home to. Evan Neal a top draft pick, enough said.
"when many fans were able to see that right-off" Yeah well many Giants fans are complete morons that are still mad we didn't get their brilliant picks of Darnold, Haskins or even Rosen.
I don't think they have as much say as they say they do. I think mara is the puppet master but does not want the heat so it comes to blame the gm. I think Jones was forced in them. Not sure what he was thinking about letting Barkley walk. Mara could have stopped it if he wanted too
I would think Mara informed them he liked Jones and perhaps even felt Jones deserved a chance with better roster support and better offensive line. However, as GM, you have to have last say on personnel, if you don't it's time to fly, because at the end of the day, it is your reputation at stake. I could see how Jones would make Mara and a few other Caucasian owners feel very comfortable, wanting him to be successful, giving him more rope than say they might give some kid from the inner city, because Jones being the Ivy League Type, a Duke Guy (not quite, but almost Ivy League) fit in quite nicely with their country-club atmosphere and he is a guy they might feel comfortable allowing to date their daughter. However, in the end, Jones simply lacked the skill-set necessary to succeed in the NFL, I called that during his 1st season. I actually believe playing Jones might give the Giants the best chance to lose more games and guarantee a better draft position, whereas playing DeVito might backfire and result in a few more meaningless wins, hurting their draft position.
@@jamesmichael5475 You left off one critical element. If DJ gets hurt and can't pass a physical in March, we owe him an additional 23 million next year. I am all for losing and getting a top QB in the draft... but I'm confident we can lose with Lock and DeVito, without risking a serious hole in our cap space.
@@Metalgarn I believe DeVito, who brings so much more energy and a better deep pass that Jones, might win a few games. Not sure about Lock, really haven't seen enough of hm to say. The injury clause has been discussed in detail and would at some point always become an issue, particularly if the season slipped away as it has. At some point management would have to consider the Risk/Reward of playing Jones, and at 2:8, the season is over, so what is the value in playing Jones, he could win the remaining games and sill not make the playoffs, but the reality is, everyone knows what Jones is by now, a not very good NFL QB. His greatest asset has been not his arm, not his pocket presence (perhaps poorest of any NFL QB), not his leadership, not his ability to make a play when the pocket collapses, not his ability to connect on deep routes, not his ability to avoid sacks, but rather his ability to run with a modicum of athleticism at one time. I say at one time, because post ACL reconstruction Surgery, Jones has obviously lost more than a step, looks entirely un-athletic at times, lacking an ability to out-accelerate many defensive linemen, and certainly most linebackers. Despite his ability to run, he has proven not very adept at avoiding sacks, largely due to his extremely poor pocket presence and inability to compete his progressions or read the entire field. That is something that is an innate quality, not something that can be readily taught, you either have it or you don't, and Jones most definitely does not. He frequently locks on his primary receiver, telegraphing where the play is intended to go, providing defenders ample opportunity to close the gap and disrupt the play.
He wasn't their pick, he was just what they had with NO recourse to properly replace him. Let's be glad they didn't go insane with a 5+ year contract that trapped us... they were very smart to give us a solid out after only 2 years. Really the only point they COULD have replaced him was in this last draft but in the long run, I think we are better off getting Nabers... and to be fair, they did try to trade up to get a QB.
this guy on the right is one of the worst in the business. They didn't pick a quarterback? What do you call giving someone a $160 million contract and then tripling down on that by picking a Wide Receiver with the #6 pick. This guy was the same guy who couldn't tell us if Jones was bad or not after watching for like 5 years.
How does it make any sense that they aren’t happy with what Shoen said, the job he’s done, or all his excuses…BUT…then they say in the next breath that you can’t judge a GM in 2 1/2 years and he shouldn’t be fired? Gettleman was judged a failure and did all his damage in 3 years before being forced out! It could be argued that Shoen has botched the job as badly as DG in less time! The more rope you give the guy, the more fucked you’ll be.
@@jmaldo1215 well I don't think anyone would've thought Jayden Daniels would be as incredible with the Redskins as he has been. The kid will always have my respect
Schoen reaffirmed the impression I got from Hard Knocks, which is that he is simply a mediocrity. Not that he's an incompetent fool - he's not. He's just no better than average at very best. He doesn't come across as particularly intelligent or articulate.
Everyone and every team has woulda coulda and shoulda … this Giants team is an embarrassment for a franchise full of winning history and one of the original teams.
The owner takes ALL of the blame! The owner paiď Jones after he only threw 12 touchdown the year before 😂 maybe if owner wasn't a racist, he would have let the GM pick the quarterback in Washington 😐
Racist?lmaooooffff you’re talking about the nfl which is predominantly black what is he trying to do build and all Caucasian team? Hes a lot further off than he originally thought lol good luck 👍
I kept saying after last year that the Giants should keep Tyrod Taylor and make him the starter for 2024. And all everyone kept saying is he is just a back up. Well, enjoy your 2-8 with your wonderful starter D. Jones. LOL.
@@AnthonyArgyros yes. Tyrod should have been this years starter. Tommy Devito should not be 3rd backup. He should be 2nd back up, and maybe improve to starter watching veteran Tyrod play for a year. But Giants are to prideful to admit they made a mistake with paying Jones all that money, and so they chose to play him this year. And so here we are 2-8 with no QB.
Look at Washington. The GM and coach are in their first year, and they're winning. I don't think that's lost on Tisch and Mara. And they had 3 shots at picking their QB. Newsflash: Josh Allen is NOT in this next draft class.
Schoen is from the Buffalo Bills who have one of the best QB's in Josh. Daboll is from the Bills and no head coaching experience at all and it shows. The owners are in left field contemplating how to keep Giant fans. The only salvation the Giants have is to lose the rest of the way this year. The only coach that should be on the Giant sidelines as HC is Belichick. You want to bring back the glory days, you go get Bill and let him groom a GM
what if they don’t like any of these QB’s? are they just gonna close their eyes and pick one to cover their asses and buy themselves another year or two? this sucks.
I don’t get it. BT admits gms need to get 4 years. We ALL admit it’s a qb league. How is he not listening to the facts Sal is giving? You can’t justify firing these guys in less time. It’s a ridiculous thing to do. You cant be successful when you turnover coach and gm every 3 years regardless of record. I’m not saying the giants would be 7-3 but the giants are not even 5-5 because the qb holds the roster back. Leading back to my point, you cannot fire the coach and gm because you haven’t really been able to see how good this team could be when the qb is a low end back up. Remember guys, this team was worse last year and Tyrod Taylor and Tommy Devito had this team competing. All of a sudden Slaytons touchdown output shot up and he was catching 80 yard bombs in stride. We never get that with Jones, literally NEVER. We beat Green Bay and actually WON A PRIMETIME GAME, with TOMMY FVCKING DEVITO. I don’t understand how anyone isn’t thinking even a AVERAGE quarterback would drastically change the state of this team. When you watch the games, it ain’t the offensive line. Tyrone Tracy behind it, it ain’t the running game. We have Malik Nabers, Slayton, Wandale and Theo Johnson. All young talent but far from a bad situation. Cmon guys. What are we doing?
the giants just can't keep getting rid of coaches and gm how can you have any sustainability. i get this a result business but these guys need more time 2-3 years is not enough time to properly evaluate.
Exactly very few people understand that,they want instant success or everybody fired every 2 years. No regime ever has a chance to build a proper team. Good teams aren't built overnight
@Leon-o6u well considering half his draft picks were still with the Giants last year and the rest are successful around the league,he actually did a good job drafting. It was his financial decisions that set the team back
Rarely disagree with Sal, and BT. But big miss for me here. I agree it was a lot of GM speak. These guys have spent their whole lives listening to coaches, players and GMs speak. They know how EVERY GM has to speak in public. The simplest of reading between the lines or even just body language shows what Schoen was really saying. He admitted to making a mistake after a playoff run…. Translation.. I’m sorry I extended Jones. It set us way back. I know it was dumb. I wanna make up for it…. It was literally that easy to see
What the point of the press conference if they don’t answer the question asked! Come out and say we suck we fucked up! Not ohh we’re close.. they can’t score a god damn touchdown dj has what 1 at home?!
These guys rant with schtick and for ratings. But Giants fans that were honest with themselves about expectations shouldn't be frenzied by the current state of big blue. Keep everybody and play out their contracts, then you can make changes. Keep firing hc and gm will lower the quality of future candidates
This team sucked before DJ and was in salary cap hell.Jayden Daniels is overrated and any of those QBs last year wouldn't have helped.Getting rid of Barkley was and still is the right move and this regime has some good young talent for next year.The offensive line and defensive line are not complete yet.They sign some good free agents on the offensive and defensive lines instead of signing Barkley who still wouldnt of make them a good team.Next year they will have more cap room and draft picks to continue trying to build a winning team.I think that's what they meant that they're on the right track.We also could of won some games if the refs wouldn't kill they're momentum with horrible phantom calls and WR drops and a horrible defense who can't stop a cold.But I understand DJ is the scapegoat for the rest of the team.And Daboll play calling borders on sabotaging the season.
Mara publicly came out and said we've done everything to ruin this kid. Of course, he shoved this bum down the general manager and coach's throat. They were trying to look for another quarterback in hard knocks, but couldn't get nobody to trade up with them. Are you guys kidding me. Sal, i'm more surprised at you.Because you are a real Giants fan, I think. Again, BT you are not qualified to speak on giant business, because you are a bum jet fan, who would like nothing for the giants to be like your mush team. In the end, Joe was right. We get a quarterback in here, that can throw the football, and most importantly throw touchdown passes we will be fine.
Schoen n Daboll has started to sound like Cashman n Boone. They BS the positives n say nothing. Just say it & throw DJ under the bus. DJ made tons of money already n no need to pamper him
It’s now or never either you get rid of the coach and GM after this year or understand that you’re married to them or at least another three years I say that because they draft their quarterback this year either sanders or ward both of those quarterbacks are not world beaters they’re not coming in and leading your franchise to potentially a deep run in the playoff they both need time and the right situationGod forbid either gets hurt that pushes your clock back again now you have to go into the second quarter and that will be four or five it will be five with Shane and Coach David so what are we doing? Daniel Jones 2.0 scenario
why are these guys just lying that schoen hasnt done enough good things to bring him back for another year? before AT got injured, this was the best OL weve had in probably a decade and schoen spent his summer on the OL. he got us an elite WR1 and top 5 DL too
That's not true he didn't take a offensive lineman in the draft at all and the offensive line still have problems they need to turn Evan Neal into a G offensive lineman they should have taken Charles cross and he didn't you must hit on your draft picks Evan Neal is a bust
@ you simply cannot say “they should’ve taken charles cross” because that’s hindsight. The whole world had evan neal graded higher than ekwonu and cross. Shit doesn’t work out, you can’t just predict him being a bust. And OL was not taken in the draft because they spent their FA on OL. You’re not going to sign OL in FA and then draft OL. That makes no sense. The team has other holes to fill.
BT your the worst, you just went on and on. About Joe And you agreed with Sal that he can't throw daniel jones under the bus. But that is the problem. It's your quarterback.He can't throw the ball with any type of consistency and the worst thing he can't throw touchdown passes. That brings the whole team down that brings down the defense, because if the defense is playing hard and they give up a touchdown, they know they're not coming back because we don't have a competent quarterback.BT you're not qualified to talk on Giants business, because you are a jets fan, your team is just mush.
i think it's too early to give up on Scheon he just needs a better off season and i feel he'll do that this off season. because he understands his job is on the line and the product has not been good enough.
I am a Cowboys fan but I am willing to put the rivalry aside for 1 game if the New York Giants can find a way to beat us on Thanksgiving! The Cowboys really need a top 5 pick I need Danny Dimes to come through for us this 1 time 🙏🏾
@ We are going to lose alot of games. I am worried Carolina and NYG are going to spoil our top 5 pick so I hope Daniel Jones finally beats the Cowboys on Thanksgiving.
gettleman took Barkley because he wanted to help Eli and he felt Eli still had some good years left
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My God what is it with Giants fans looking for wins at this point!? Seasons over and you saw what happened winning meaningless games last yr, dont fire daboll, FIRE DANIEL JONES!!!!
Nobody will ever say, “Yeah we’re just gonna lose out.” You probably will, but you still have the “never give up, never surrender” attitude, or you lose the locker room for good. Jones will be the head on the spike. Schoen and Daboll get to stay and find their quarterback.
Yeah, I don't know a single Giants fan who wants to see Jones anymore. Hell, I would've benched him after last year's Seattle game. I don't agree with your take on tanking though. It's a losing mentality. Win games for 3 reasons:
-The morale of the players who WILL be here next year.
-Giving the fans who go to the games something tangible to root for. Even the most ardent pro-tankers don't want to attend a game to watch on-field incompetence and a lost effort.
-Respect from the rest of the league (even if just a modicum; babysteps).
It would then be Joe Schoen's job to ensure he gets his QB of the future, no matter what it takes, and regardless of the team's placement. That's his job!
Would love to hear your thoughts, and those of others.
@@cityofevil101010most giants fans never wanted him to begin with. Gettleman picked Jones over Josh Allen and if you look back at old videos of that draft most giants fans were enraged and shocked that they picked jones. Gettleman said giants fans would be pleased. He was wrong!
DJ is tank commander, don’t fire him if you wanna lose
@cityofevil101010 im at that point because it's 10 frigging yrs of nonsense and we coulda had jayden daniels if not for devito winning games that meant nothing, I get the "dont have the loser mentality thing" but who really wants a repeat of us losing out on a top qb prospect
bro, they picked their quarterback when they handed jones the contract.. dont even try to frame it like that
Nailed it
Absolutely hit the nail on the head dude!!!
Yall guys remember when Joe said we didn’t pay jones 40 million a season to hand the ball off. Yeah that’s all we can do he also said who can screw up pick 5 n 7 and he got us 2 busts
They were coming off an above .500 season with a playoff win, were in no position to draft a QB, and in no position to sign one in a horrible FA QB class. You people need to stop acting like we had other options at QB in that offseason. Any GM is bringing back DJ at that point. The only thing you can reasonably criticize him on is giving a full contract over a franchise tag. Even then, they structured the contract KNOWING this was a possibility with a 2 year out..
Had jones been successful you think he would of took credit lol
They like Daniel because he’s controllable
He's a robot. I was actually surprised he got
Fire the coach and GM, let a new regime start with a new QB. Yes I know we promised them a chance at their own QB, but these last 2 szns show that they do not deserve that chance.
👏 YUP
You’re wrong
You guys switching up this fast is why we will be ass forever seriously. No stability. Just bring in whoever every 3 years . Like no you can’t do that. Especially knowing that they’ve had a bad QB since being here. Sorry they don’t deserve to get fired yet. They still need 2 more years
@@Thekidyusuke This guy is concerned about stability when the franchise is already in the trash. Schoen hits on 1 of every 5 draft picks, Daboll has not shown any above average ability as a coach. But they deserve their own QB?! These guys are bums!!!
@@eddyaveti3047you are falling for the media rage bait. There is no one to replace them with worth letting them go for especially before giving them a chance to draft their guy . There is no point to move on already. Jones is just that bad. It’s like going to work knowing there’s a guy there that’s going to fuck up the day for everyone day in and day out would you go to work with enthusiasm and belief or be disgruntled and half ass . Washington was ass got Jayden and are a completely different team . That’s how important getting “that guy” is for your team
Maybe they can put some plays in where the qb throws a completion past the first fkng down marker 🤬
Wow, BT!
You just created a phrase that should live on and on.
Butt fumble, double doink, and now, when a person talks themselves into getting fired, they " Joe Judged himself!
Long time fan BT 😂
2-8, 0-4 on the nfc east, wandale mid, banks is mid, Hyatt 0 production… Schoen HAS TO GO!!
Wandale isn't Mid same for Hyatt it's the Qb. Schoen needs a shot of drafting his own Qb. Signing DJ was all Maras decision
wandale and hyatt are solid, wandale especially i think is underrated. jones stinks
Yup let's set the franchise back even farther by firing everybody,Giants are in this position from doing exactly that. No regime ever gets a chance to build a team. Good teams aren't built overnight like everyone thinks they are
Last year everybody knew if you need a quarterback last year was the year to do it even if you had Daniel Jones last year was your chance to get a quarterback there's no quarterback in this year's draft that's a franchise quarterback they should have drafted Daniels regardless of what you had to give up you must get the quarterback first and then build around him they wanted to justify giving Daniel Jones all that money so they took a wide receiver in the draft because Mara felt so bad for Jones when everybody else knew Jones wasn't a franchise quarterback he must admit some accountability for the structure of this team be honest with the fans who's spending money to come see the Giants play
@Leon-o6u I never liked DJ and was pissed when Gettleman drafted him
If the giants pick #1 or #2 CLEAN HOUSE
@@derikchess Enjoy Robert Saleh and Kevin Abrams as the next HC and GM. You’re not getting anyone of worth. Belichick is completely washed.
@baxatakbaxatak2014 is this a Joe Schoen burner account wtf lol
going from an F to D+ is improvement, but it still feels like shit. this is where i feel the giants are. the question should be - at this point in joe's tenure, would you expect the team to be the D+/C- team they are? maybe, but probably not if we're being honest. this is what it means to be under new york scrutiny, fwiw.
If you're not getting better, you're getting WORSE!!! Patience is earned at this point & schoen HASN'T earned it, TIMES UP!!! The DUMBEST moves in NYG HISTORY was Choosing DANIEL JONES over SAQUON BARKLEY, BARKLEY should've been FIRST PRIORITY! The NYG season was PREDICTABLE the "very second" they let SAQUON go. Before the season i predicted the NYG would win 4 games TOTAL.
Everytime he said “we are going to be making football decisions…” I listened less and less. wtf does that even mean.
What disturbs me most about the Schoen/Daboll era thus far is not only their failure to recognize in a timely manner, that Jones was not a legitimate NFL QB, when many fans were able to see that right-off, but that despite having full control of the NFL draft for 3 seasons now, the NY Giants Roster is devoid of high-end talent, expect for Dexter Lawrence who they didn't draft, and perhaps Nabers (too early to tell exactly what he matures into) who they drafted in 2024. The 2022 Draft looks like a complete bust. Jones possesses the skill-set aligned closer with that of a career back-up, than an elite QB. Thibo is so-so, not near the impact player that a team hopes for and expects from such a high draft pick. The Giants are outclassed athletically at many positions when facing top teams. Thibo and Burns are under-sized Edge Rushers who are often manhandled by larger and more powerful offensive lineman, forcing them to cheat taking an inside route, exposing the outside to big gains on runs by both Quarterbacks and running backs. Burns got trapped inside and allowed big gains around his corner on several plays in the Panthers game alone. Banks has been a lousy corner, Phillips, perhaps a little better than Banks, but nothing to write home to. Evan Neal a top draft pick, enough said.
"when many fans were able to see that right-off"
Yeah well many Giants fans are complete morons that are still mad we didn't get their brilliant picks of Darnold, Haskins or even Rosen.
I don't think they have as much say as they say they do. I think mara is the puppet master but does not want the heat so it comes to blame the gm. I think Jones was forced in them. Not sure what he was thinking about letting Barkley walk. Mara could have stopped it if he wanted too
I would think Mara informed them he liked Jones and perhaps even felt Jones deserved a chance with better roster support and better offensive line. However, as GM, you have to have last say on personnel, if you don't it's time to fly, because at the end of the day, it is your reputation at stake. I could see how Jones would make Mara and a few other Caucasian owners feel very comfortable, wanting him to be successful, giving him more rope than say they might give some kid from the inner city, because Jones being the Ivy League Type, a Duke Guy (not quite, but almost Ivy League) fit in quite nicely with their country-club atmosphere and he is a guy they might feel comfortable allowing to date their daughter. However, in the end, Jones simply lacked the skill-set necessary to succeed in the NFL, I called that during his 1st season.
I actually believe playing Jones might give the Giants the best chance to lose more games and guarantee a better draft position, whereas playing DeVito might backfire and result in a few more meaningless wins, hurting their draft position.
@@jamesmichael5475 You left off one critical element. If DJ gets hurt and can't pass a physical in March, we owe him an additional 23 million next year.
I am all for losing and getting a top QB in the draft... but I'm confident we can lose with Lock and DeVito, without risking a serious hole in our cap space.
@@Metalgarn I believe DeVito, who brings so much more energy and a better deep pass that Jones, might win a few games. Not sure about Lock, really haven't seen enough of hm to say. The injury clause has been discussed in detail and would at some point always become an issue, particularly if the season slipped away as it has. At some point management would have to consider the Risk/Reward of playing Jones, and at 2:8, the season is over, so what is the value in playing Jones, he could win the remaining games and sill not make the playoffs, but the reality is, everyone knows what Jones is by now, a not very good NFL QB. His greatest asset has been not his arm, not his pocket presence (perhaps poorest of any NFL QB), not his leadership, not his ability to make a play when the pocket collapses, not his ability to connect on deep routes, not his ability to avoid sacks, but rather his ability to run with a modicum of athleticism at one time. I say at one time, because post ACL reconstruction Surgery, Jones has obviously lost more than a step, looks entirely un-athletic at times, lacking an ability to out-accelerate many defensive linemen, and certainly most linebackers. Despite his ability to run, he has proven not very adept at avoiding sacks, largely due to his extremely poor pocket presence and inability to compete his progressions or read the entire field. That is something that is an innate quality, not something that can be readily taught, you either have it or you don't, and Jones most definitely does not. He frequently locks on his primary receiver, telegraphing where the play is intended to go, providing defenders ample opportunity to close the gap and disrupt the play.
Schoen’s not as close as he thinks he is, but not as far off as everyone thinks he is. This is the rebuild we all asked for, folks. Enjoy!
If you are responsible for sighing Daniel Jones and let Sequon leave then you should be fired. It was your decision and you lost. Now leave!!!
NYG gives nothing to their fans anymore
They did pick their qb when they resigned Jones
Sal, by extending Daniel Jones, Jones is their pick. They could have let him walk and chose not to.
No he's not. What was their other option in the draft?
They should have kept Tyrod. He is way better.
@CINO0816 not extend Daniel Jones if he's not the guy. That was the decision. Heck play a year with lock and devito. Couldnt have been any worse.
@dr4g0nb0y4 wouldn't have lasted 2 games before getting injured
He wasn't their pick, he was just what they had with NO recourse to properly replace him. Let's be glad they didn't go insane with a 5+ year contract that trapped us... they were very smart to give us a solid out after only 2 years.
Really the only point they COULD have replaced him was in this last draft but in the long run, I think we are better off getting Nabers... and to be fair, they did try to trade up to get a QB.
The Evan Neal pick alone has set this franchise back years.
He lets one of the best safteys walk then uses the cap on O line
They hired Daboll & Scheon, because of Josh Allen
this guy on the right is one of the worst in the business. They didn't pick a quarterback? What do you call giving someone a $160 million contract and then tripling down on that by picking a Wide Receiver with the #6 pick.
This guy was the same guy who couldn't tell us if Jones was bad or not after watching for like 5 years.
@ beyond true
Daballs should be fired. SAL defends this guy to no end. Fire SAL also.
How does it make any sense that they aren’t happy with what Shoen said, the job he’s done, or all his excuses…BUT…then they say in the next breath that you can’t judge a GM in 2 1/2 years and he shouldn’t be fired?
Gettleman was judged a failure and did all his damage in 3 years before being forced out!
It could be argued that Shoen has botched the job as badly as DG in less time!
The more rope you give the guy, the more fucked you’ll be.
Schoen said a lot of good things yesterday. The giants are a qb away. The team isn’t all that bad
A QB, O line, safeties, etc. a lot of issues
No. A team that is TRULY a "QB away" is someone like the Steelers.
Nobody was saying the commanders were a qb away last year and look at them now
@@jmaldo1215 well I don't think anyone would've thought Jayden Daniels would be as incredible with the Redskins as he has been. The kid will always have my respect
How about their defense? The can't stop the run, they have trouble tackling and their DBs can't cover anybody. Otherwise, everything is great.
There’s not even Schoen player jersey I would buy. He’s gotta go!
I mean nabers probably
Schoen reaffirmed the impression I got from Hard Knocks, which is that he is simply a mediocrity. Not that he's an incompetent fool - he's not. He's just no better than average at very best. He doesn't come across as particularly intelligent or articulate.
And the fact that, on Hard Knocks, Schoen publically aired out a lot of the Giants dirty laundry involving Barkley and Jones wa embarrassing.
The double whammy of the Jones contract and Barkley walking out the door is enough to walk Joe out. His ego got in the way.
Bro Sal really is a clown he doesn’t know what he’s taking about 😭 Joe Schoen is a joke he’s been a disaster
No more Mr Nice guys! Bring in Belichick or Gruden no more first time rookie GM or coaches!!!
Gruden is Racist
Gruden is done! Nobody gonna play for him
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@@Dougfresh_BX 🤣 you'll see he'll be coaching again
@rowleycreations maybe high school but no black player is going to follow his direction after all that 💩 he said in those emails, nah he's done
Why does a rebuild have to start with being the worst team in the league?
Everyone and every team has woulda coulda and shoulda … this Giants team is an embarrassment for a franchise full of winning history and one of the original teams.
Shoen was speaking at warp speed, like a used-car salesman. Not a good look.
Only one owner!
I get why they gave jones the contract and I also see exactly why they gave their selves a 2 year out.
The owner takes ALL of the blame! The owner paiď Jones after he only threw 12 touchdown the year before 😂 maybe if owner wasn't a racist, he would have let the GM pick the quarterback in Washington 😐
So the owner let saquon leave but demanded jones stay? You people play both sides every single time. Schoen is awful
Did you not see the GM try to trade up? Washington needed a QB too and they’re in our division. This narrative that Mara is a racist is BEYOND stupid
“RaCEiSt”
Racist?lmaooooffff you’re talking about the nfl which is predominantly black what is he trying to do build and all Caucasian team? Hes a lot further off than he originally thought lol good luck 👍
Coach and GM of the year I'm calling it.
I wish the media had the guts to ask Daboll those questions. They cower to Daboll. It's ridiculous. His fake tough guy stares mean nothing.
I kept saying after last year that the Giants should keep Tyrod Taylor and make him the starter for 2024. And all everyone kept saying is he is just a back up. Well, enjoy your 2-8 with your wonderful starter D. Jones. LOL.
They can still play Tommy Chicken . Maybe another 3-game win streak, although this year’s schedule is much harder.
@@AnthonyArgyros yes. Tyrod should have been this years starter. Tommy Devito should not be 3rd backup. He should be 2nd back up, and maybe improve to starter watching veteran Tyrod play for a year. But Giants are to prideful to admit they made a mistake with paying Jones all that money, and so they chose to play him this year. And so here we are 2-8 with no QB.
Look at Washington. The GM and coach are in their first year, and they're winning. I don't think that's lost on Tisch and Mara. And they had 3 shots at picking their QB. Newsflash: Josh Allen is NOT in this next draft class.
Schoen is from the Buffalo Bills who have one of the best QB's in Josh. Daboll is from the Bills and no head coaching experience at all and it shows. The owners are in left field contemplating how to keep Giant fans. The only salvation the Giants have is to lose the rest of the way this year. The only coach that should be on the Giant sidelines as HC is Belichick. You want to bring back the glory days, you go get Bill and let him groom a GM
Dabol won a playoff game with Jones must have forgot,he needs a legit QB
@sal4856 he also had Sequon Barkley or is everyone forgetting that? People act as if Daniel carried that Giants team
what if they don’t like any of these QB’s? are they just gonna close their eyes and pick one to cover their asses and buy themselves another year or two? this sucks.
Leave Jones in there… KEEP losing. Simple as that. Jones is a bum. And the team doesn’t BELIEVE! John Mara is a clown. 🤡. No one else but Mara
This team is not at all close to winning a Super Bowl
I don’t get it. BT admits gms need to get 4 years. We ALL admit it’s a qb league. How is he not listening to the facts Sal is giving? You can’t justify firing these guys in less time. It’s a ridiculous thing to do. You cant be successful when you turnover coach and gm every 3 years regardless of record. I’m not saying the giants would be 7-3 but the giants are not even 5-5 because the qb holds the roster back. Leading back to my point, you cannot fire the coach and gm because you haven’t really been able to see how good this team could be when the qb is a low end back up. Remember guys, this team was worse last year and Tyrod Taylor and Tommy Devito had this team competing. All of a sudden Slaytons touchdown output shot up and he was catching 80 yard bombs in stride. We never get that with Jones, literally NEVER. We beat Green Bay and actually WON A PRIMETIME GAME, with TOMMY FVCKING DEVITO.
I don’t understand how anyone isn’t thinking even a AVERAGE quarterback would drastically change the state of this team. When you watch the games, it ain’t the offensive line. Tyrone Tracy behind it, it ain’t the running game. We have Malik Nabers, Slayton, Wandale and Theo Johnson. All young talent but far from a bad situation. Cmon guys. What are we doing?
the giants just can't keep getting rid of coaches and gm how can you have any sustainability. i get this a result business but these guys need more time 2-3 years is not enough time to properly evaluate.
Exactly very few people understand that,they want instant success or everybody fired every 2 years. No regime ever has a chance to build a proper team. Good teams aren't built overnight
@Leon-o6u well considering half his draft picks were still with the Giants last year and the rest are successful around the league,he actually did a good job drafting. It was his financial decisions that set the team back
@Leon-o6u and it's spelled fourth, just saying lol. Learn how to spell next time if your gonna reply nonsense
Rarely disagree with Sal, and BT. But big miss for me here. I agree it was a lot of GM speak. These guys have spent their whole lives listening to coaches, players and GMs speak. They know how EVERY GM has to speak in public. The simplest of reading between the lines or even just body language shows what Schoen was really saying. He admitted to making a mistake after a playoff run…. Translation.. I’m sorry I extended Jones. It set us way back. I know it was dumb. I wanna make up for it…. It was literally that easy to see
Go get Bellichick n make him the GM n Coach..let him draft n develop his QB
Mara not getting in GM way evident from HK 100% Schone gave contact on his decision don’t paint it different
What you mean you wouldn’t fire him that was enough for him too get fired my god my god 🤦🏾♂️
What the point of the press conference if they don’t answer the question asked! Come out and say we suck we fucked up! Not ohh we’re close.. they can’t score a god damn touchdown dj has what 1 at home?!
If nobody likes the GM’s answers, just get up and walk the F out!!!
These guys rant with schtick and for ratings. But Giants fans that were honest with themselves about expectations shouldn't be frenzied by the current state of big blue.
Keep everybody and play out their contracts, then you can make changes. Keep firing hc and gm will lower the quality of future candidates
This team sucked before DJ and was in salary cap hell.Jayden Daniels is overrated and any of those QBs last year wouldn't have helped.Getting rid of Barkley was and still is the right move and this regime has some good young talent for next year.The offensive line and defensive line are not complete yet.They sign some good free agents on the offensive and defensive lines instead of signing Barkley who still wouldnt of make them a good team.Next year they will have more cap room and draft picks to continue trying to build a winning team.I think that's what they meant that they're on the right track.We also could of won some games if the refs wouldn't kill they're momentum with horrible phantom calls and WR drops and a horrible defense who can't stop a cold.But I understand DJ is the scapegoat for the rest of the team.And Daboll play calling borders on sabotaging the season.
Sal what would have been the new qb in yr 2 Kenny Pickett ?
Baker mayfield, Russel wilson.. build around saquon not jones. He chose to build around jones and it didn’t work so he’s gotta go!
Joe Flacco has a cannon. They should have signed him for this season. Daboll is a QB specialist , right ?
Mara publicly came out and said we've done everything to ruin this kid. Of course, he shoved this bum down the general manager and coach's throat. They were trying to look for another quarterback in hard knocks, but couldn't get nobody to trade up with them. Are you guys kidding me. Sal, i'm more surprised at you.Because you are a real Giants fan, I think. Again, BT you are not qualified to speak on giant business, because you are a bum jet fan, who would like nothing for the giants to be like your mush team. In the end, Joe was right. We get a quarterback in here, that can throw the football, and most importantly throw touchdown passes we will be fine.
Idgaf about Joe Schmo or Brian Dabacle. Get them both out of here.
Schoen n Daboll has started to sound like Cashman n Boone. They BS the positives n say nothing. Just say it & throw DJ under the bus. DJ made tons of money already n no need to pamper him
Gentleman was absolved when Schoem missed on the 5th year option.
Gettleman was not absolved and will go down as making two of the most critical mistakes associated with the Giants downfall.
You mad because he didn’t tell you what you already know.
Daboll can stay, Joe Schoen gotta go!
It’s now or never either you get rid of the coach and GM after this year or understand that you’re married to them or at least another three years I say that because they draft their quarterback this year either sanders or ward both of those quarterbacks are not world beaters they’re not coming in and leading your franchise to potentially a deep run in the playoff they both need time and the right situationGod forbid either gets hurt that pushes your clock back again now you have to go into the second quarter and that will be four or five it will be five with Shane and Coach David so what are we doing? Daniel Jones 2.0 scenario
Sal ❤
Shown fault he don’t have his is qb he have had chances to draft sign or trade for one
They did good thing daniel jones is the problem we have a ok qb we with more games
FACTSSSSS JOE GM IS FULL OF BS EXCUSES
Schoen should be fired
why are these guys just lying that schoen hasnt done enough good things to bring him back for another year? before AT got injured, this was the best OL weve had in probably a decade and schoen spent his summer on the OL. he got us an elite WR1 and top 5 DL too
That's not true he didn't take a offensive lineman in the draft at all and the offensive line still have problems they need to turn Evan Neal into a G offensive lineman they should have taken Charles cross and he didn't you must hit on your draft picks Evan Neal is a bust
@ you simply cannot say “they should’ve taken charles cross” because that’s hindsight. The whole world had evan neal graded higher than ekwonu and cross. Shit doesn’t work out, you can’t just predict him being a bust. And OL was not taken in the draft because they spent their FA on OL. You’re not going to sign OL in FA and then draft OL. That makes no sense. The team has other holes to fill.
BT your the worst, you just went on and on. About Joe
And you agreed with Sal that he can't throw daniel jones under the bus. But that is the problem. It's your quarterback.He can't throw the ball with any type of consistency and the worst thing he can't throw touchdown passes. That brings the whole team down that brings down the defense, because if the defense is playing hard and they give up a touchdown, they know they're not coming back because we don't have a competent quarterback.BT you're not qualified to talk on Giants business, because you are a jets fan, your team is just mush.
Dead last in the NFL!!
But malik is the problem lol
i think it's too early to give up on Scheon he just needs a better off season and i feel he'll do that this off season. because he understands his job is on the line and the product has not been good enough.
I am a Cowboys fan but I am willing to put the rivalry aside for 1 game if the New York Giants can find a way to beat us on Thanksgiving! The Cowboys really need a top 5 pick I need Danny Dimes to come through for us this 1 time 🙏🏾
Traitor
Cowboys are only 1 game out of the playoffs
@ We are going to lose alot of games. I am worried Carolina and NYG are going to spoil our top 5 pick so I hope Daniel Jones finally beats the Cowboys on Thanksgiving.
no thanks please go ahead and beat the Giants. thanks!
@@p00l95Packers are last seed and are 6-3 right now
Gettleman wasn’t nearly as bad as everyone busts his balls over, besides jones he did quite well
This is what wfan has come to ??? Lmao these guys couldn’t hold jj jock
Keep HC Daboll
Fired GM Joe Schoen, he is a "Screw Up" GM!
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