"Blame Mara", Are Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll Being Scapegoated?
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This is not true... Mara definitely had something to do with the Daniel Jones deal, he said to the press that extending Daniel was top priority by the deadline. He even Called both Daniel and Joe Schoen prior to the deal getting done that went down to the wire this was documented back in March of 2023. He also, made immediate statements right after the deal about how excited he was for the Franchise to build around Daniel. From the start this has been Mara's guy, he thought he had Eli 2.0 with legs all the way down to his college coach. Im not letting Schoen off the hook because hes done other things incorrectly with building this team but we gotta stop shooting the billionaire owner and his nepo baby family members bail who have their hands in on field football decisions. He has blamed everybody under the son except Daniel when it comes to the QBs play. Not to mention just as recently as August 2024 he was singing the QBs praises after winning 1gm in what 7 or 8 starts last year. Lets cut the shit, this is on Ownership if anything Schoen mightve protected the franchise by giving the team an out after 2 seasons
Mara is a total failure as an owner. Too bad he is a nice man but has no clue
The owner always wanted DJ and the coach didn't. The HC is stuck with a guy he didn't want. The owner thinks DJ is Eli 2.0.
You cannot say the coach didn't want him when it was part of the requirement when he got the job. He got the job because he had success with Allen and they hoped he would with DJ. He got the job to help DJ so to say he didn't want DJ is wrong. He wouldn't had taken the job. In fact you can tell he wanted him because he is giving DJ every opportunity to success because DaBoll told Mara he would before being hired
I love how we all just forget that Mr Barkley refused to sign an extension in the middle of the 22 season. Schoen attempted multiple times to give him a contract. He refused and then when it came down to the final hour to sign the franchise tag, Schoen gave Jones the 4 year deal with the out after two years. Barkley then gets the franchise tag because the way he handled it led to Schoen knowing he has to keep both for at least an additional season coming off the playoff win. Nobody talks about this because it’s way too easy for y’all to want side with Barkley and shit on the giants over it. Barkley isn’t going to be honest about it because it makes his nice guy image look bad. Joe Schoen, like Tiki said, didn’t really have another option at qb other than retaining Jones for at least another season because no team was going to trade back to 25 and allow us to get into the top 10 let alone top 5. Did you want Kenny Pickett in the first round? Should we have take Ridder?? The answer is no. We were in a super difficult spot because Joe’s hire of the coach of the year, Brian Daboll was able to get 9 wins out of a team that was atrocious the season before. The Giants on hardknocks showed that Schoen did try to trade up for Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye. Again, nobody wanted to trade up. Surely, at 2-8, that quarterback would have already taken over. Idk why people don’t use logic in their thinking. It’s really that simple. Schoen/Dabs absolutely should be able to pick their qb considering the entire reason for their hiring in the first place was their work with young qbs(Allen) from Buffalo.
Bingo
Man you hit the nail on the head. I’ve been saying this all season
I've been saying this for the last few months. He and his PR team should teach classes at a local University for the masterclass they have put out. For him to pretend he's the victim in the situation and somehow get people to forget that he wanted $16M per year and declined the three year, $13M per deal with $22M in guarantees is ludicrous.
“He and his PR team” he doesnt even discuss the Giants, so whet are you talking about?
@@antcantcook960 he has given nearly a dozen interviews talking about the situation - are you living under a rock?
Please talk about the fact that Dave Gettelman completely destroyed this roster and set us back for years with his drafting and FA's. It takes years to unwind what that a-hole did to us.
LMFAO remind me, which GM resigned the worst QB in the NFL to $160 mil?
Gettlefatman is laughing his ass off at john mara, while eating in cape cod.
@@oldschoolfan420 So is Garrett
@@walawala7985 and who let Saquon walk for nothing. Or Evan Engram. Or Julian Love. Who traded away a bunch of assets for Waller and an 8 sack per year player?
@@NYG5 was I defending him??
Saquon won that playoff game and got them there
I agree Daniel Jones was a passenger on that playoff team
@@richrucci6908 there are no passengers on any playoff team
@@p00l95 LeSean McCoy. Two SB rings with Bucs and Chiefs. I think he MAYBE had one carry in both playoff runs. That’s a passenger, sir lol
@@kts_solboy6216 NO, I hate Jones as much as anyone but he played great in that playoff game and in the last couple weeks of the season. It wasnt insane to think that with another year of Daboll coaching him up he could be decent. That was clearly wrong and it was obvious LAST season. That’s why the 2 year trial contract for 40 million was defensible BUT running him back out there this year was inexcusable. Sunk cost, he should’ve been 3rd stringer this year and Russ Wilson should’ve been competing with Tommy Devito for QB1 to start the season.
@@Los150 Rings are rings.
I don’t live in New York nor am I a fan of any teams in New York. I just love hearing people talk about sports up there. They are so passionate 😂
Mara is the new Dolan of New York we gotta get him started on a big stadium in Vegas so he leaves the franchise alone
Mara has two rings. Dolan has nothing.
If Mara fires Schoen and Daboll, not only will I stop defending him, I will actively root for this team to fail. The carousel has to stop. He promised them time to rebuild-a rebuild he signed off on and the fans begged for. No one of worth is taking this job if he pulls the trigger. Dennis Hickey and Steve Wilks, come on down!
That’s like ur boss firing u over something cause u failed with things that had something to do with the previous employee, u didn’t even pick them
@ Exactly. The head on the spike will be Daniel Jones. I truly believe Mara defending his GM and HC, and having nothing to say about Jones, tells you that all three men are on the same page. Scouts are watching QBs already, and Daboll and Schoen will have their pick. Mara signed off on the rebuild, he knew what he was getting.
Bro Daboll sucks snd Schoen drafted a bunch of J.a.gs with his 1sts.
Exactly!!!
@jackmerrideww ok? And? Why do people act like GMs league wide aren't 30% draft hits. Also, Thibideaux is a good draft pick. Neal may still be good. Also, the other tackle taken top 10 is even worse than Neal. Let's all relax. If they both get fired, new people will come in & tear it down again. It won't be great within 2 seasons & fans will want them fired too. Gotta let this roster keep building. 2nd youngest roster in the NFL
Mara LITERALLY GAVE a press conference after the Eli benching saying they had discussed it but HE wanted it to NOT go down like that.
...and then fired mcadoo
John Mara has made one good decision since he's been in charge....not firing Coughlin after the 2006 season.
Joe didn’t extend Mara did
Only this incompetent organization would hang on to a bottom 3rd QB for nearly 6 years. The clown show never ends.
Truly amazing the same franchise made it to 5 super bowls and won 4 while being sandwiched between 2010s Browns seasons
@@NYG5 Gettleman really screwed this franchise. That has to fall on Mara.
GUYS, watch the press conference after Reese and Mac got fired. Mara was absolutely involved and meddling. He may have gotten better since than (like Dolan) but it happened and its a concern. Hard Knocks is not definitive proof of anything when they all know the camera is in the room and it will be aired on HBO. They are putting on a show.
Baker Mayfield was a free agent that could've replaced Jones after the 2022 season.
Clean House ASAP
Tiki seems to forget the reason they had to sign him was because they didn’t pick up his 5th year option, it would have saved them a lot of money if they had & they wouldn’t have been stuck with him.
Who are we kidding here? The day that Eli said he was going to retire is the day Mara knew who he was going to pick in the draft. DJ coming from a point guard school was a part of the Manning empire from a young age.
should have given barkley the money but mara was too cheap.
More like Schoen played the idiot on that move.
They actually offered Saquon almost the same exact contract he took with the eagles in week 13(bye week) in 2022 and Barkley turned it down. Scheon also told him that if he turned down the offer, then its off the table.....The giants tried and Barkley balked and walked to Philly.
More like Schoen wanted new o-linemen, Brian Burns, and Tyrone Tracy. Worked for me.
He did. Barkeley wanted to leave
Daboll sucks ! Worst coach in the NFL .. not a single player on his roster performs .. That’s on Daboll .. his team is a sloppy , undisciplined mess .. see ya Dabes ! Been a Giants fan for 30 years and will not feed into the Daniel Jones witch hunt .. Jones is just part of this mess ..
Well all know Mara forced him on schoen
Jones was not the only option. Tikis wrong on that....
So to your original point Daboll and Schoen didn’t come here to keep Daniel Jones so how can we say Mara was the one pressuring them to resign Daniel Jones? I don’t think the Saquan and Jones signings are comparable. DJ got the blessing from the Mannings and John Mara will take any opinion that comes out of that family’s mouth so I’m more to believe Mara wanted it to work with DJ due to too many ties. Daboll and Schoen don’t really have any ties with DJ prior to that contract
I'm wondering if they approach DJ and asked about waving the injury clause.
We have seen enough
Love the show!
On the right track regarding Jones, but dig a little deeper.
During the bye week 2 years ago, GM Schoen attempted to sign a long-term term deal with Sequon Barkley. It didn't work out, so instead, he signed Jones long term and placed Barkley on the tag. I believe he wanted the opposite. I heard Schoen was very upset that Barkley wouldn't sign.
Blame whoever it was in the brain trust of the NY Football Midgets who decided that Danny Jones was the future of the franchise and deserved $160 million. Or Blame Canada. They're not even a real country anyway.
Stop it tiki they had a choice, that’s all they had to do is tag him. They could’ve kept McKinney & Barkley. And the craziest thing about it all is, you had the same pics in the draft. Smh right now cause we could’ve all of our rookies still.
DJ is bringing this team down with him. Jones has no passion at all, no fight, no rah rah shit that gets teams going when they're are down. Cant wait till this bum QB is off the team
Tiki clueless as usual...other options were blank check for Lamar Jackson or franchise tag for D Jones
Sure jones was the best option at the time. Why a 4 year 160 million dollar contract with 90/100 million guaranteed. Why didn’t you franchise tag him then maybe barkley and McKinney are back. Maybe not maybe it still plays out the same but 2024 would have been a much better year that’s for sure
The owner meddles. We all know this. If he wasn’t on camera this off season there is no way he’s letting saquan walk.
He was not the best option. What are you talking about
Biggest Insanity In NY Sports = "Fire Boone & Cashman" & "Keep Daboll & Schoen" from the very same lips of SOoooo many people...Truly Bizarre...Makes one wonder why cannabis was ever legalized...??!!
THE GIANTS NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE FROM MANAGEMENT TO THE UNTALENTED PLAYERS ESPECIALLY JONES 3YRS IS A ENOUGH THIS SHIT SHOW MARA NEEDS TO MAKE THEWR MOVE NOW CAUSE THE GIANTS FANS DESERVE BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW!!!!!!!! END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!
Someone remind me - what does Evan mean when he says he's an IFO?
Danny dimes is Mara’s butt boy. No franchise would hold onto a lousy qb for 6 years u less the owner willed it
Schein n Daboll need to pick their own QB
Starting to win games in a lost year would be the worst outcome and the most Giants thing to do.
The rest of the games need to be Preseason style evaluation games and avoid owing Jones money.
Yall watch hard knocks? Mara gives them full autonomy. Do they run things by him to get his opinion? Yes! Did they sign off on resigning Daniel jones? Absolutely! They need to be held accountable this is their team
One of the reasons Brain Daboll was hired was to develop DJ like he did with Allen. And I'm sure Brain said he could.
Somebody forgot about Brock Purdy in the 2022 Draft.
Why tiki always moving when the show first starts 😭🤣 lol he’s tryna be smooth
So you guys truly believe he told Schoen on camera he’s not going to sleep well if Saquon isn’t a giant and goes to Philly, but off camera, had no opinion about the starting QB?!
I want meaningful wins vs the Eagles so badly!!!!!! It’s the only thing that matters as a lifelong Giants fan to me now
Im unsure about Shoen being the future but Ive seen enough that Daboll cant develop a QB and cant overcome one player. Team has gotten worse every year since thebfirst and its not a sign of a good future if the coach cant do anything about one piece being bad so now all pieces are failing. Thats on the HC
not really because both of these guys had their chance to make changes to the roster and they didn't they stick with DJ
40 years ago before the advent of this annoying sports talk radio, you heard the same thing on the street about blaming Wellington Mara for the losing. "He sells out the stadium every week, so he doesn't care if they win or lose.".. "La plus ca change, la plus ca le meme chose."
Tiki schilling for Mara. Please. Any other GM would’ve moved off DJ years ago. Mara is the only clown in the world who thought DJ was any good.
This looks just like the 5 games losing streak in the Playoff year. Operation Expose and Upgrade is working perfectly.
I don’t understand why anyone cares what schoen has to say. There is no way he is coming back next year.
If he Came out and said they're dome with Jones. That one thing would unite the whole fan base. That's a big start yo.
“Giants suck” is the nice way to put it
N.Y. Giants use to be a Team!!
Joe Schoen has had 3 drafts and 3 years of free agency and currently have the giants in position for the number 1 overall pick mara would be a fool to bring this clown back
But he never picked his own QB.
Whose taking the job? Brandon Brown’s no fool, he won’t shift his deck chair over so he can get fired in two years. Enjoy the promotion of Dennis Hickey.
@@slapshot68 but he's picked every other position and they're all average or below average
First mistake was not picking up DJ's 5th year option. EVERYTHING else flowed from that error.
He was coming off a neck injury a new GM would never
Think about being the person making all the desions and never getting fired yes John Mara
Starting at the top with ownership is the easy lazy way to analyze the failures? They have been terrible for 12 years. Who else do we blame? Mara and Tisch can’t hire the right people to run the team. It absolutely starts with them.
if you really want to send a message and prove you're not committed to Jones start Devito for the rest of the season
If I'm Dabol, I'm standing on the table in the owner office begging for the chance to draft my own QB and get another chance.
They shouldn't give up on either until this team has a real quarterback for at least a year.
Joe Shoen has to go and bring Bill Belichick in as GM and keep Dabs as HC.
Free soda!!!!
Jones is why you lose. Running game is good. Pass rush People are open all over the field. There are stars on this team. You lose because of Jones. That's it
Tiki Barber is dead to me 😂
Damn
DJ has to go
Whats so hard about it?
That part….. 9:29
Get a qb, until then you cant make any proper fair assessment of daboll. Joe Shoene has whiffed more than hes hit, and his managing of the salary cap has been atrocious thus far. Lots of question marks and no time to answer all of them. Gotta love being a Giants fan 😂❤
SAQUAN BARKLEY IS LAUGHING REAL HARD AT
1. TIKI " JUDAS"BARBER
2. JOHN MARA
3. DUMB JOE SCHOEN
4.DUMB GIANTS FANS
Do you think keeping and extending Jones was solely on Schoen without Daboll having a say so? They both made the decision.
I highly doubt it. On the show Hard Knocks; Joe asked Brian would he move up to take Jaden Daniels and he didn't hesitate to say, "Yes!"
@Leon-o6u You can't be this stoopid! We waited a 1st Round draft pick #6 to draft Jones out of Duke. What team in NFL history has every drafted a QB from Duke? I knew this was going to be the outcome 6 years ago whe Gettleman the old GM drafted him.
@wfannewyork I’m hard pressed to believe Mara would get rid of Joe. Joe’s biggest mistake was leaving the scouting dept he had prior to 2023 in place from the prior two regimes. This last draft, in my opinion was the best draft we’ve had in a while top to bottom. But in the last 6 years, if all we netted out of the last scouting dept was: AT, Dex, and MAYBE kt, McFadden and wandale… well there’s the reason we sit at 2-8. If we get another draft like last years with Joe’s current scouting dept, I think we’ll be in much better shape, with a young roster as a solid foundation.
Not at all they haven’t been good enough
I absolutely disagree ownership is absolutely manipulating the coaches anybody in the world watching this sport can clearly see that Daniel jones is not a NFL QB wat so ever Joe Shane knows this Brian daboll knows this cause if not why is he still starting is insane drew lock n Tommy davito will get u some wins if why are they not benching him everybody knows this Mara n tish family are holding this team hostage
Get rid of Joe schoen!
Fire both Joe can’t draft real players. To much look at me
0-4 in the nfc east smh
That thanksgiving gm will be an absolute s@itshow,
@@slapshot68 Cowboys suck. Giants can beat them
Mara, forced DJ on the Giants. Not on Joe. DJ, is good, but the Giants ruined him by forcing him to learn 3 playbooks in his career. Joe unfortunately was stuck with that option at that time of period to sign him with a 2 year out.
If he was good it wouldn’t matter the playbook, just go out there and ball
@@kts_solboy6216if Tom Brady had to learn 3 playbooks he wouldn’t hav ben the greatest QB of all time
@ stop with the excuses, if jones was good he wouldn’t have to learn 2 playbooks
He was ok at best but never good
Is Evan high af or he always looks like that?
And as far as the hard knocks Mara knew what he was doing in front of the camera I know it was his call to keep jones over saquan we know this idk why the owners are being scape goated they need to be held accountable idk why we always talking bout the coaches n manager it’s the owners guys let’s stop the BS
Giants sucks because DJ sucks
We are not losing just because of Daniel Jones, the rest of the team stinks as well
Yes we definitely are losing because of jones
Mara absolutely forced Schoen and Daboll to resign Jones. He never gave the team the chance to truly rebuild. Jones is on his way to killing his 3rd HC and 2nd GM. Who ever doesn't think 95% of the garbage the teams gone thru over the last 6 years isn't Jones fault is delusional