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So, How POWERFUL Did Ichigo Become in TYBW? Is He the STRONGEST Character in Bleach? | Discussion
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- Ichigo is back from the Royal Palace! But, just how strong has he become in TYBW? Let's take a look!
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Ichigo Kurosaki has returned from his training with the Zero Division - but how much stronger is he? Let's take a look at everything he does in the 2nd half of TYBW, including his big, final battle, and try and make an educated guess!
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Intro - 00:00
Overview - 02:20
Ichigo's Royal Training - 03:39
How Powerful is Ichigo Now? - 09:33
Ichigo, the 2nd Half of TYBW - 17:22
Horn of Salvation - 21:15
The True Bankai - 28:54
Conclusion - 35:04
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So, how strong do you think Ichigo became? Is he the strongest character in Bleach by the end of TYBW? Let me know your thoughts on everything we see of him in the 2nd half of the final arc!
That's not about the theme of the video, but still important. They did use Nightmare for the As Nodt fight in the recap episode (21.5), check it out :D
If Yhwach deemed it necessary to break Ichigo's bankai instantly TWICE then Ichigo has gotta be AT LEAST relative to All mighty Yhwach and imo more powerful. I think if this wasn't the case Yhwach would have toyed with him more in the palace before doing it.
Strongest is Zaraki, most powerful is Ichibei/Aizen.
He's not the strongest, but then again, this is just the beginning. I personally feel Ichigo will eventually come to rival the original Soul King in sheer strength.
I though you would talk about the moment Yhwach stole Ichigo's quincy Powers and what that actually means. This part always let me confused... His soul continues beeing part quincy but his Powers don't? So Horn of Salvation would'nt work cause he can't create the balance anymore?
I like how Kubo causally doesn’t explain that Ichigo can swap between his dual Zangetsu and og Zangetsu in the hell arc. It’s such a crazy thing to imagine, literally having three swords at your ready.
That comment was like INSANE ass covering by Kubo. Bro literally made that up on the spot. You CANT convince me otherwise XD
@@spiderdude2099 yeah he took a few years off and was like damn I drew og zangetsu on accident, oh well I'll just say Ichigo can swap between because he's ichigo 🗿
He could've easily just said "oh yeah it wasn't mentioned but the dual blades are his shikai now this is his unreleased state" or some shit but nah 😂
He messed up in the hell arc with adult ichigo. Kubo said his dual swords were a shikai and the true bankai was the one that looked like his former shikai, so unless adult ichigo is always in a bankai state, then yea Kubo was caught lacking lol
@@JerichoRpwe0692 He killed Yhwach with the base form so after the war he is using like that, the dual sword is the shikai.
I think it would be REALLY cool if they let the moment where Tensa Zangetsu breaks play out something like this: It's the last few minutes of the episode and ichigo activates bankai, we get an extended scene where he uses it and defeats Ywach in a massive spectacle and the episode ends.
When the next episode starts, it does a recap of those events but in the recap, Ywach uses the almighty to change history and the abrupt breaking of the bankai happens as it does in the source material. Maybe that would be too confusing for casual viewers but I think it would be a great way to actually show what ichigo can do with his bankai while also really fucking with people in terms of what Ywach can do with The Almighty.
Sounds like having Ywach go full meta and choose the manga reality over the anime reality... without actually stating it outright of course.
@@clintmatthews3500well … yea. That’s kinda the only way to course correct that fight. If it plays out how it did in the manga then fans will be PISSED. But if they do TOO much to change the outcome then the story implications would be absolutely massive.
I'd be ok with that.
Had the same thought as I was listening to Tommo talk about that part of the fight, would be a cool way to visualise Yhwachs power through visions of the future
Ja man perfect words
The fact that Ichigo is just 17 and had just unlocked his true power, and yet Yhwach considered him the single greatest threat to himself, speaks volumes about how powerful Ichigo truly is.
There is also the neat thematic part of it all, that Ichigo as a hybrid being is the most direct rejection there is of Yhwach's goal of creating a world without progress.
Well as of the tybw arc he's 19 there was I think a 15 month time skip between the aizen fight and the fullbringer arc. But yeah Ichigo is still a teenager
I don't think his age really matters. Ichigo being a mix of everything more than likes sets him up to be the next soul king like Ichibe had planned if things didn't workout.
@@sirhcsnomde2002he was 15 at the start of the series
i think it's also worth mentioning that it was (kind of) confirmed by one of the shinigami illustrated that as time in spirit form passes much faster, Ichigo in spirit form is technically an old man.
@@sirhcsnomde2002 His 17 in the TYBW
Its also extremely impressive Ichigo killed Yhwach twice in one swing using his bankai while being drained of most of his power and without horn of salvation
its genuinely fucking mind blowing
I never thought about that
yeah and yuha was in turn able to pierce through aizen using only his fist with no effort.
I think the best option and the best way to handle ichigos bankai is for the anime to show exactly what happens after bankai is released. The whole fight would be shown and the outcome would be clarified but then the anime would bring back time and show that yuha breaks ichigos bankai. Kinda like a time shift showing its real power and then using the almighty to destroy that future.
Imagine Yuha being defeated extremely quick wen Ichigo use bankai, and after that we hear yuha mention hiw he respect Ichigo power and this is the reason he broken his bankai, turning bakck to the present.
That’s what’s going happen
It’s important to remember that Ywach with the Soul King didn’t see a possible future where he beat Ichigo in bankai
To add to this SK Yhwach already saw TS HoS Ichigo as an extreme danger to himself even with the almighty to the point were Yhwach goes as far as to admit that despite the use of the almighty if he messes up even a little Ichigo can and will kill him, meaning the futures SK Yhwach saw himself winning against HoS were very few.
That's untrue otherwise he'd have never been able to break his Bankai in any capacity.
@@A-RedHerring Ywachs power is the ability to change the future. If he saw something that could beat him, IE ichigos bankai, he could simply change the future to have that bankai be broken. He saw every possible future and didn’t see one where he won against ichigos bankai
@@ricremricrem2221 Ya, HoS TS had Ywach resorting to using the Almighty. It could probably be even be said he wasn’t confident against HoS Bankai because he also broke the horn
@@neilpate9738how is that even possible.
The way I see it is, there are infinite possibilities for the future.
When ywach saw that in the future of current reality he'd be defeated, he swapped the future with a future where ichigo's sword broke.
Now that I think about there is no guarantee that ichigo lost in that future, maybe he did defeat ywach in that future too, but broke his while doing it.
But even then, how ywach is able to selectively apply that future only to ichigo's sword and not affect anything else, well his power is not that well explained.
Anyways, if he could swap between any future possibilities, there needs to be at least one future where he has a favourable outcome.
Say if he was faced with an enemy with absolute power, such in all forks of future he'd be defeated, then ywachs power would be useless. Cuz no matter how many swapd he does, he still gets defeated.
Sure, he's pretty strong, but I think momo would still survive a point blank true bankai getsuga
One hundred percent
Obviously
Yeah she would eat that shit like it was noting and carry on with her day
It would be interesting if, in the hell arc, Ichigo recieves the Gojo treatment. By that I mean all the main villains (presumably the Devil himself?) would have to rely on trickery, deceit, and traps to take Ichigo out of the picture. Maybe using Kazui against him or something. Because by the point in time in which we see Ichigo during the Hell Arc, there really shouldn't be anyone capable of stepping to him.
Largely agreed. Though we do get a glimpse that Hell does really, really weird shit to the heavy hitter souls that end up there. Ukitake's shikai blade is the size of a bus. Kubo only knows what happened to the dead Arrancar and other Captains.
I mean TB Ichigo does receive the Gojo treatment by Yuha, Yuha quite literally does his best not to directly confront Ichigo in bankai and instead purely relies on taking Ichigo out via the future. In reality TS HoS Ichigo gets this treatment as well to a lesser extent. At this point Yuha stops actually fighting Ichigo directly and purely relies on the Almighty to fight even going as far as to say that a single mistake will have him dead at Ichigo's hand. The fact that Yuha states this to a TS HoS Ichigo and then proceeds to outright refuse to fight a Bankai Ichigo implies that even if Yuha does everything right as long as Tensa Zangetsu exist Yuha does not win. So yeah Ichigo does get the Gojo treatment in TYBW, hell he kinda gets it since the begining by being placed at the top of the war potentials and having Yuha directly tell Jugram not to engage because it would take too long to take Ichigo down despite how exhausted Ichigo is. The only reason the Quincies beisdes Jugram and to some extent Uryu don't avoid Ichigo like the plague is because they are cocky or like Askin have a trick up their sleeve that doesn't involve them actually fighting Ichigo. But aside from Askin they are all just cocky.
they did that in cfyow lmao, he was lured away
@@turtle5542Yeah, the main big bad of CFYOW was so scared of Ichigo’s power, he lured Ichigo and his family away to not get caught in the hell that would come with it.
>Granted power by Reio himself
>Labeled as No.1 Special War Power
>Most powerful Reio candidate
>His existence can affect the world of living, so Gotei can't allow him back to home
Funny when some ppl still think Ichigo is weaker than Aizen
ur 4th point is a lie. it was bc he might have had to become the new reio. read cfyow
@@turtle5542 Wdym lie?
Bruh read manga carefully before telling me to read light novels
It's been stated long ago in the manga before CFYOW, read chapter 546
I love that Ichigo is an amalgamation of all the different types of entities in Bleach and his ability to wield Shinigami, Quincy, Hollow, and Fullbring powers is amazing. I hope he gets a form in the Hell Arc where he combines the look of all his different powers. A fusion of his shinigami and fullbring shihakusho with both of his hollow horns and black stripes down his face and Quincy wings would be fire. I assume that Ichigo and company will be facing off against demons or hell spawn of some kind that will require them to go beyond Bankai.
I always assumed that ichigo’s true Bankai definitely had more to it and allowed him to switch between a hollow and Quincy form.
Likely having to face all the captain level enemies in hell.
Ichigo showed that he was capable to destroy most Sternritters, it's just that through plot shenanigans he was limited to the fights that he got
Theres a chance Ichigo vs Askin is expanded in the anime, him vs Yhwach was expanded, vs the Bambies was also expanded, so it seems fights that involves Ichigo are going to be expanded
Ichigo vs. Askin needs to get cut. It completely broke the flow of the narrative and absolutely ruined any tension leading into the Yhwach confrontation - we instantly knew Ichigo was going to lose because of that encounter. It *totally* deflated the gravity of the exchange.
Honestly, that entire exchange was worse for the story than the asspull of bringing Byakuya back to life.
@@ASNS117Zero yea i agree with you on this on, ichicgo turning into a Rug by asking right after countring many attack Yhwach is just so dumb
it was so fucjing random and pointless to. it added nothing, and took away everything
I know this is his strongest variation but Ichigo during the Aizen fight felt otherworldly like an inexplicable enigma.
Yes because that was the first time that Yhwach came out. Ichigo even looked like him with the long black hair.
Mid-series major season/arc finales have that effect my friend. I don’t disagree with you tho.
Personally I think that was him at his strongest. Hear me out. Ichigo never really struggled against Aizen at that point. Also he achieved the form by fighting a merged Zangetsu with all 3 of his powers coming together. After the fight his appearance reverts showing he lost all the training he just went through. Thematically it makes sense.
If we don’t get to see ichigos real bankais power only to be a dream of Juha before his snaps it ima cry
Same 🥲🥲🥲😭😭😭😭
Has ichigo mastered his Bankai,mastered bankai increases the users power by 4-5 times right?
@@Justayoutubeenjoyernah 10x
Powerful enough to save all and confront god tier opponents, but it all came with a massive near price. His training and subsequent power ups was essentially the goose being stuffed for the oven, the next Spirit King. Great thing that he avoided that fate thanks to certain events playing out. Ichibei's joke to Shunsui in CFYOW about Ichigo never being able to talk or anything was chilling.
Indeed. Shunsui might have been willing to go along with the plan, but you can tell he hated it and was barely able to hold back his disgust towards the sins of the Ancestors and Ichibei's callous attitude towards everything. The fact that Halibel stated that she understood why Aizen wanted to overthrow the system that requires something like the Soul King, speaks volumes about how gruesome it is.
@@jrgenvellesen7800 Truth. He lost his typically cool composure and spoke in an abrupt gruff manner in those moments. The sin is an atrocity that anyone, both the best and worst, find reprehensible for obvious reasons. Shunsui is a Commander and deadly warrior but he has a solid moral compass and heart. .
@@manuelacosta9463 Facts. The idea that knowing the truth behind the creation of the current worlds is what pushed both Aizen and Tokinada to become who they were, is a chilling reminder of how the sins of the past create monsters in the present. Even Yhwach, who seemed to have disgarded all compassion for his "Children", seemingly still cared enough about his father that he wanted to free him from such a twisted existence.
@@jrgenvellesen7800 Yes. With Tokinada it's the added theme of him holding up a mirror to Soul Society and presenting who the nobles really are alongside the sin verifying it all for him. He cackles and kills yet knows that Soul Society's leadership are the same especially with the latter.
Ignoring that Ichibe is like 3 levels of power to weak to force Ichigo of literally anything, he also talks to the Soul King. He talks about getting messages from him all the time.
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The cooler thing about the getsuga and then the jujishou are in essence a quincy bow and arrow.
The slice as the bow and the"getsuga" from his long sword ad the arrow
That's... Actually a good idea and interpretation
It would be cool to see Ichigo use some Quincy techniques in the potential Hell Arc like maybe arrow version of the Getsugha or Volshindig like wings
Really hoping he does utilize his Quincy powers more because ever since the first invasion in the thousand year blood war, he never did again
Didn't he lose his Quincy powers?
@@redred1952 Negative. All his powers remain intact. The battery was just drained, so to speak. Kubo confirmed as much in an interview some time back.
@@SinHurr Alright I wasn't sure. I know Yhwach takes his power, just didn't know if he got em back. I don't even think he needs to use Quincy his powers
I'm pretty sure there's a Hybrid Being in Can't Fear Your Own World that utilizes Hybridized Techniques, like the fusion of Bringer Light, Shunpo, and Sonido among some others. It'd be neat to see Ichigo using or developing his own. Especially since the anime portrayed him using Sonido when he arrived in Soul Society and found Byakuya.
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I agree mostly. I wish there was one more of the Quincy Royal Guard for Ichigo to have truly tangled with (unlike his brief skirmish with Askin) BEFORE he finally confronts Yuha.
To be honest, I really wanted a full fight between him and hashwalth considering you know he snapped ichigo’s Bankai like a twig. I felt like he was going to be his rival for this arc.
@@gammafrostboth Bazz-B and Haschwalth (and by some degree Ishida) were too busy to fight each other instead of Ichigo rofl
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In the initial fight with yhwach in the soul king room his friends are there, he is probably holding back to not end up accidentally hurting them
I doubt that.
He was just completely outmatched vs Yhwach at 100%.
On his own he cannot defeat Yhwach.
I wish they bring back the spiritual pressure effect atlesst once for ichigo as he enters the palace to confront the soul king fused ywach
u remember the fight between aizen and ichigo where he couldn’t sense aizens spiritual pressure because it was too high, it’s the same concept except ichigo is now godly
no the fuck its not. kubo removed that entire concept. people literally sense ichigo when hes fighting yhwach. also ur wrong twice, bc it was never aizen reiatsu being “too high”. it was transcendence. no non transcendent being could sense him. u had to be at his level of transcendence or above like ichigo. but again that whole concept was thrown in the trash.
@@turtle5542 not worth explaining my self if u responding like that
Ichigo always had a rival character to fight before fighting the final boss of an arc which was always aizen. The Soul society arc had renji and byakuya, arrancar arc had grimjow and ulquiorra. The Fullbringer arc had tsukishima and ginjo, although ginjo also was the final boss. I think Uryuu was meant to be Ichigo's rival in this arc but they barely had time to fight with each other. I hope the anime corrects this because this would make Uryuu's betrayal a bit more realistic.
If Ichigo went full power right when get got to the battle, bankai , horn of salvation and went for the kill he would of ended the war in 5 minutes.
The one shots would go crazy
I totally forgot that he fused his blood with the Getsuga, I'm guessing Kubo did that to draw more similarities with Isshin and his blood ability he used.
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imagine discovering you're the strongest being in the universe before graduating high school
Yet he still loses to some match ups
Funny how Ichigo was slowed down by the barrier around Seireitei even less than GREMMY'S GIANT METEOR
he wasnt slowed down at all lmao he just shattered it
The reason Ichigo likely didn’t go for the kill probably because he seen what happened to the soul king and the events that led to it. Perhaps empathy for what they endured.
This. He knows they're as much victims of Yhwach as soul society, not to mention he's barely 18, still a child, he should not have more human blood on his hands
Which would be incredibly stupid. There's only so far empathy goes, and as a character Ichigo should probably draw the line at the fascist military force that has killed the majority of the shinigami (including dozens of them a minute before he showed up).
@@JoelBurger Yeah but those were all faceless mooks. All of _his friends_ are mostly fine.
@@JoelBurger Ichigo doesn't really care for anyone that isn't his friend or immediately in his vicinity, in fact he doesn't care when being too late to save a stranger as is shown by his late arrival to saving Orihime and Chad during the start of the Arrancar Saga. The guy doesn't really care that Yammy killed a bunch of people before he arrives he mostly cares that he wasn't able to do protect Orihime and Chad despite his arrival against Ulq and Yammy due to his own personal problems. Later in the arc Ichigo doesn't even kill arrancars despite their danger simply due to him not having a personal grudge against them, he merely incapacitates them. One could argue that Ichigo would have killed Ulq and based on his reaction it is very likely that he would have killed Ulq but at the end of the day the only reason Ulq gets humiliated and killed the way he is is because White does it.
The only three people that Ichigo is intent on killing pretty much no matter what are Aizen, Ginjo and Yhwach, all of which he has concrete reason besides them being his enemies. Aizen because he has seen first hand how unreasonable Aizen is, how incapacitating would not work and that Aizen directly threatens Ichigo's family by wanting to destroy Karakura Town making the fight quite personal for Ichigo. Ginjo, quite literally for his betrayal and manipulation of Ichigo's family making this the most personal of all of Ichigo's kills, simply put this was a kill both of pity and revenge. Finally, Yhwach who quite simply is responsible for ordering the almost death of several of his friends and killing someone Ichigo respected as an ally as well putting his friends and family at risk by wanting to destroy and remake the bleachverse. This makes it quite personal for Ichigo as well as quite practical.
Now gaining the actual knowledge of what is up with Yhwach and the SK in the SK palace would also play a part in Ichigo's decision in not killing the Quincy he fights as it is clearly shown in the arrancar arc, Ichigo is a man of compassion and will not kill anyone he sees as just a cog in a machine which is what the arrancar he fights are and what the Quincy are specially with the knowledge he gains in the SK palace
@@JoelBurger the quency are what the soul society created. The original sin was the noble houses. All this is the result of that, now that same effect is felt in the up coming hell arc.
I just wish Ichigo actually participated in the TYBW tbh. In every other arc he got like 4-6 major fights. But then in TYBW he fights in the first invasion, then goes to the palace, stays for a while, comes back down and has a quick skirmish, then goes right back up for the end….that was not satisfying at all lol
Really??🤦🏻♂️ In this arc he has a lot of moments, it doesn't have to be exactly battles, and there's a ton of other characters that have their fights, in this arc It's all soul society against the Quincys not just Ichigo..
How do you think he barely participated when he was one of the most important in this arc? It makes 0 sense..
@@felipez3115 I never said it had to be “just Ichigo,” or that his only moments have to be battles, but he fight in the first invasion, then he goes to the palace for training, getting his zanpakuto reforged, etc.then he goes down to fight. He fights a few Sternritter briefly, then realizes he immediately has to go back up to fight Ywach. Then he goes up and kills him. I’m glad the captains got a ton of spotlight, that was great, but I still wish Ichigo got to have his own multi-chapter fight like Grimmjow or Ulquiorra. At the end of the day, the TYBW is a war arc, and it feels like Ichigo is absent from virtually the entire fight against the Wandenreich. Take Naruto for example.I like the TYBW a lot more than the 4th Great Shinobi War, but at least in that Naruto was a central participant in the war effort. Whereas in Bleach, Ichigo just wasn’t involved to the same extent. That was just sort of disappointing.
@@TheBasedGreegin TYBW, he fought Quilge, Yhwach, Femritters, again Yhwach, Askin, Uryuu, again Yhwach and again Yhwach
@@FM-no4xnYhwach 2, Askin, Uryu and Yhwach 3 aren’t really actual fights
Actually thinking about it Rukia likely didn’t see Oetsu. She likely finished her healing while Renji and Ichigo were in the pit.
Amazing video Tommo! I have a suggestion for another - What would happen if we put the two fastest attackers in Bleach against one another! The ‘Speed of Sound’ Gin VS The ‘Speed of Light’ Lille Barro! To avoid the issue of Lille’s intangibility, perhaps allow Kamishini no Yari to be able to poison at a Reiatsu level as opposed to a physical level?
Most powerful has never meant undefeatable. There are always ways to defeat those who claim to be the best, even when they have the skills/raw power to back up the claim.
Ichigo coming back from the Royal Palace feels like Kubo paying homage to Goku returning on the Serpent Road in Dragon Ball Z, just like Ulquiorra and Yammy arriving in Karakura pays homage to Vegeta and Nappa arriving.
I would love to see more of the bankai in the anime. My theory/expectation is that they will add a fight scene with the bankai but this will actually happen in one of the futures that Yuha Bach can see and where he's losing. That would be why he break it in another future and then we come back to the reality with the scene from the manga where the bankai is broken instantly
That would make some great fan service but could give a nice explanation too.
What do you think about that?
Would be cool to see Mugetsu Ichigo vs TYBW bankai Itchigo :)
TYBW HOS Ichigo is more powerful.
@@felipez3115yeah stronger than dangai ichigo i think but Im not sure about final getsuga tensho
@@billyli5477mugetsu at that stage was done by an ichigo without a zanpakuto so not an actual access to his powers.
Every Zangetsu form pales in comparison to Final Tensa Zangetsu, design-wise and intrigue-wise. I hope we revisit that in the hellarc someday and see some cool lore about that.
Ichigo as you said before with Ikkaku's image using his Reiatsu to "fly down" as he's increasing his Reiatsu in order to move at this speed
More than a Hell Arc, I want a "Hey Ishida teach me Quincy Techniques" arc.
H some correction, Getsuga tensho is not an shinigame technic, why? Because even without shinigame powers Ichigo can use it, he literallybused it as an Fullbringer.
Real, but when he first used it he wasn’t even using soul reapers powers, it was zangetsu
I hope they explain Ichigo's new Bankai. Im still not sure whats special about it or what its special ability.
There is some theories out there...
A good theory but probably not accurate is his bankai has the ability to change reality...
I mean the theory comes from it being one of the only ways to beat the almighty...
The almighty saw his bankai and destroyed it before it was used... Why? Because it must be able to change reality/future...
Almighty only saw one option and that was to not even go against it...
In theory, it is just like every other bankai. Full access to one's powers.
Ichigo is a hybrid, and because of that, he has access to the general abilities of every race in bleach.
We know OG Zangetsu in shikai would pull spiritual energy and condense it for its attacks. That was told to us in Soul Society Arc. In the same arc, OG Tensa Zangetsu, upon activation, a vacuum like presence is used, pulling the dust into the air similar to how slavery is portrayed. We know Ichigo was mostly using his quincy abilities at this point. The final Gestuo Tensho also paralleled Uryu's usage of the Sangi glove (I can not remember the name of the move).
As Ichigo seems to be able to use his Hollow powers in or near full in Shikai so should theoretically be able to do the same with his Quincy powers it likely would be the case that he can fully access all his powers in complete balance/pull off otherwise impossible feats like using both forms of blunt. Bankai is the equivalent of holy forms or resurrection and neither of those give unique abilities on their own. They just allow their user full access to their own abilities.
The big question is does Ichigo have access to his hollow/quincy powers when his sword is in it's sealed state.
A sword that can change reality makes no sense with i=Ichigos other powers. we have seen his shikai, his hollow has also come out and fought several times and never shown reality changing powers, just pure strength. A future changing sword doesn't even sound impressive, does it mean that he just wins every fight?@@ILoveBluePeople
@@superfarhan101I think is possible because at the end, Ywach lost the battle
@@megatshazril8750 I mean they did include the magic silver arrow at the end. If his sword can cut fate why would Kubo even bother adding the plot point of the arrow and confuse everyone?
The last few chapters take place 10 years after the Quincy were defeated. They say it takes 10 years to master a Bankai, so that time skip gave Kenpachi the time he needed to master his Bankai.
I would love to see a rematch
What if his speed was just him using Shunpo Sonido and whatever the quinces have at the same time
@14:25 this whole scene of Ichigo flexing on these 4 with his new power has always felt so much like when Naruto first joined the 4th Great War. They even both use miniature versions of one of their signature moves for the first time to show the new level of power and control they have.
I stand by what I said that kubo having ywach break ichigo's bankia was shitty writing at its finest, but it's not like the bankaimwas gonna be anything unique , ichigo is this hybrid that's never existed before, and yet ironically his powers are pretty generic , just a bunch of fancy lazer attacks . The true bankai was probably just gonna be a white colored Kamehameha or something.
It's sad to know that blut vene was hyped up in cour 1 to the point that senbonzakura couldn't even scratch As Nodt.
Whereas in cour 2, there's almost no trace of use of blut vene. It never got utilized again.
So true! I'm assuming the power ups shinigami got post training the first invasion allowed them cut through the blunt vene.
Bro, every time someone survive a direct hit it is because of blutvene, quincys dont have ierro nor the natural protection of reatsu pressure shinigames have, the reason it is said only bankai can hurt them is that because of how dense bankai reatsu are it can afect the blutvene
Those robes he wears when appearing into the battle are so sick. I really wish he wore them longer.
Maybe Kubo will add more fight scenes for True Bankai ichigo vs Yhwach Bach in the future perception that almighty sees. Maybe more scene for how ichigo uses different abilities of different races of the bleach universe in in alternative future events.
One thing I like about horn of salvation is that it looks exactly like fused tensa zangetsu
Yup. I have a feeling by the time we get to the hell arc, he’s perfected his powers and will probably have both horns.
My man didn’t even get to do work with the bankai I prayyyyy we get to see it animated. And some work put in
Did anyone else notice the reference where he took on the bambis like he did the luetenits when he first got bankai
Hoping we get a sequence of the future Ywach saw
I wish you did hell arc speculation! please include that for next time!
Ichigo kept grounded as a rug is something I wasn't thinking about lol
Ichigo is The Goat=GreatestOfAllTime
I don't know if you did a video on it, but is Ichigo beyond using kido? I'm curious how strong he could be with it.
To be fair about Ichigo's Shunpo, hes in that unique circumstance that he has access to all 3 versions of flash step. Shunpo, Sonido and Hirenkyaku. Hes probably combined at least shunpo and sonido into his own unique style of Flash Step.
The big thing about end of series Ichigo is he had just unlocked his true power and his stunted growth for the entire series beforehand is acting almost like a slingshot in the development of his actual abilities.
Ichigo goes from one move, Getsugatenshou, with two variations, a melee attack and a ranged sword beam to effortlessly changing the form and scope of the attack, mixing it with various other abilities and channeling different frequencies of spiritual power through it, all over the course of a few days after getting a real shinigami's zanpakuto.
His form transformations are linear in most of bleach: sealed -> shikai -> bankai -> hollow mask -> post dangai training -> final getsugatenou
with his forms changing slightly after his fullbring has merged with his shinigami powers.
After attaining his true power, it seems that he can change his form as he sees fit, even in shikai and use those forms to augment and alter his normal abilities, however Ichigo's always had issues controlling his spiritual energy and that kind of fine control to incite form changes has got to be somewhere on the level of kido mastery.
My theory on what Ichigo's bankai does is pretty straightforward: because what his true zanpakuto is is a representation of the balance between all of the races in Bleach within him, his Bankai enables the complete release of all of those racial abilities.
While a character like Tosen with both Bankai and Resurrección can't use them at the same time, and a qunicy who has stolen a Bankai has their Vollstandig sealed so long as they hold it, Ichigo should be able to utilize the abilities of all of these transformations at once.
I argue that "Vasto Lorde Ichigo" is actually a Resurrección because it's Ichigo, a shinigami-hollow hybrid, using a sword release to take on the appearance and powers of a full hollow and Ichigo's original "bankai" is actually a sort of quincy ability because it was given to him by the manifestation of his quincy powers and his zanpakuto spirit notes that he (white zangestu) got that [blade] the same time Ichigo did, meaning that it was not a full sword release that the zanpakuto spirit was withholding until bankai is properly achieved, but some other ability. (Also like... no shinigami has achieved bankai without a zanpakuto forged by Oetsu Nimaya, so...) Also the form Ichigo takes after Dangai training uses shadows like a qunicy of the wandenreich and functions a little too similarly to a quincy's Letzt Stil for my liking.
Anyways... Shikai Ichigo could probably defeat any of the captains aside from Yamamoto, Unohana, Kyouraku, Ukitake and end of series Byakuya and Kenpachi pretty easily (if Toshiro has the time to utilize his completed Bankai him too but True Shikai Ichigo would absolutely dogwalk his normal Bankai), and I'd argue that Horn of Salvation Shikai is probably more powerful than any Shinigami in the Seireitei.
vasto lorde ichigo being a resurreccion is practically canon, kubo confirmed on klub outside that all vizards have the capability of learning resurreccion, they just either choose not to or don't know how. plus, VL ichigo's design fits the themes of a res returning a hollow to their animalistic roots, with him taking on an appearance similar to that of white
@@bynosaurus4024, oh. I didn't know that. The only thing I remember Kubo confirming about resurreccion is that aarancar other than Ulquiorra can learn it.
@@AlexKlindtthat was Segunda Etapa. Basically a resureccion’s version of Bankai. Ulquiorra was the only canon user of this technique that’s why Kubo chose to expand on that one, but it’s a separate case than the vizards and resureccion
@@austinwright4445, yeah, something akin to that was what I meant to say; for whatever reason I omitted "second form" from my sentence.
@@bynosaurus4024Tosen is the only "vizored" to use ressurecion
nobody talks about if ichigo tipped the balance towards his quincy powers
just seen a twitter thread about rukia and hell being connected and its very interesting
not sure if youve done a video on this
Fingers 🤞 we get a new fight for ichigo in the anime
Stabbing Ywach in the back parallels what Yamamoto's lieutenant did to him.
What if we get to see the fight Ywach envisions before deciding to snap the bankai? Haha
Hopefully Kubo will allow us to see Ichigo’s bankai properly in the anime as another one of his changes. It was a huge middle finger to the fans and really downplayed his power
And how would you use it "properly"? Genuinely curious in what ways you think it can be improved
@@antont4974 like let see what his bankai actually looks like, and not get cut off when Ywach pulled a bs move
@@antont4974have it been shown in a vision from yhwach perspective, like he is seeing the future and decides to break it because of what it does
@@TrestonDodd yea thats perfect
@@oddeyesabsolutefailure1487 yup, another way it could be done is show its potential in the final clash and keep the shock factor of it breaking the first time
I’m so glad his power is being shown a lot better in the anime
I hope that the reason kubo wrote the true bankai how he did was because of time constraints so that in the Anime it can get the true portrayal it deserves.
Rukia flying with the captains a couple episodes ago seemed weird lol
Would like to see an updated Yamamoto deep dive. Many are under the assumption that he is still stronger than many of the TYBW upgraded captains, and some think he is as strong as Fullbring Ichigo. It also always gets murky when some captains are warrior-type and others are more of a specialist-type. And some captains, given the circumstance can be those that would be considered stronger than them. Soifon comes to mind with her 2 tap ability or Mayuri/Urahara prep time. lol
I mean according to the light novels I believe and comments correct me if I am wrong, Shunsui says that no shinigami has reached Yamamoto's level yet.
@@chriswilson320 it could be true, but Yamamoto had to go completely all out to deal a fatal blow to someone merely using Yhwach physical strength. They didn't use any of the quincies power ups. You can obviously make the argument that base Yhwach is stronger than most quincies with their abilities, but it just seemed like Yhwach was playing around with Yamamoto while talking with aizen. Even yhwach's phrasing of Yama being much weaker could be taken as either physically or only mentally less ruthless.
There are also a lot of powers in bleach that I think counter others pretty well, and maybe yamamotos bankai would put him at the top of the more physical bankai, but I feel like ichigo and kenpachi both had to have either gotten equal or surpassed him by the end of tybw
@@JBPVFL Well Ichigo is hardly a soul reaper by the end of the series. As for kenpachi, it really is hard to tell because he is still mastering his blade and has room to grow in the future. As for the fake Ywach, it is worth noting that Ryujin Jakka did a little damage to him and that an exhausted Ichigo did a little bit more than that. But at the same time, I don't there was a quincy besides Ywach who could handle Yamamoto, who he used a sternritter to exhaust with his level of power at that time before sweeping in for a kill.
The problem with countering powers in bleach is that the two fighters have to be relative for their abilities to work on each other.
@@chriswilson320 This was never said.
@@qwertypoiuy355bro read like 8 different points and dismissed them all with one sentence 😂💀
I hope the Kubo goes all out crazy with Hell arc.
I hope we get to see the future Ywach so that scared him enough that he broke it before Ichigo even got to use it and maybe we will get a bit more on Ichigo's bankai's abilities because even a brute like Zaraki has the ability to cut anything so what would be Ichigo's ability
im curious, as the last two episodes of cour 2 will be 1 hour. Will the final ichigo vs yhwach be 1 hour and have lots of fighting added to show of ichigos strongest form more etc.
Did you get a chance to watch the recap episode? It doesn't add anything new, but they did use the Nightmare OST for Rukia's bankai which probably means that it was always meant to be the intended track for that scene instead of the ending credits theme.
I Like The Idea Of Ichigo Not Fighting Until He Gets To Juha, But If Ichigo Were To Have Another Fight In The Anime I’d Like It To Be Against Askin. It Was Cool When We Saw The Panel Of Ichigo & The Group Knocked Out By Askin, But That Fight Was Off Camera.
This is one of the major things I will never forgive this arc for. You never get to see him truly go all out. He doesn’t really use much of his Quincy abilities and although I hope we see an extended fight with ywach, it feels like we still won’t know what his Bankai does. I really hope in the hell arc, we see ichigo use everything. At this point, he’s had 12 years to master all his powers and his true bankai. This will be him at his absolute peak. We’re waiting on you kubo when the anime is done 👀👀👀
Here’s hoping the anime does him more justice. Especially now Kubo won’t be rushed
10 years I believe ichigo is 27 right?
The time skip was a 10 year skip when rukia becomes captain?
@@JerichoRpwe069212 years. The hell arc takes place 2 years after the timeskip in the final chapter
Kinda wished ichigo used his fullbringer and quincy powers more . Imagine he's using ceros, bringer light and blue artie
It's kinda weird when Tommo does these as a non power scaler...still enjoyed tho
And to note; All of these characters are at least more than 20x the SoL (Balas are 20x faster than a cero which is confirmed to be a light attack) where base Urahara was able to dodge a Bala and Blitz Yammy without Yammy realizing he had moved.
I like the point Ichigo made that when the hirn of salvation chp he said he was far from mastering drawing out white sword and his hollow/shinigami/quincy form.... I would love though for Kubo to make his daul sword his shikai
Imagine being the strongest with only 1 technique🐐
Best thing about it is that Ichigo's powers and sheer potential is always a curse thsn a blessing.
Literally the everything that fucked up his life and made him suffer was directly linked to his power and potential.
I think the anime will showcase ichigo’s power more between the bambi fight and the final fight by including a ichigo vs uryu fight in which before characters get the love they deserve
Random question but whatever happened to ichigos human body split? When did that stop needing to occur? Is ichigo flesh and blood right now?
Ive never been the biggest fan of how bulky Ichigo's true bankai is, and also never really liked how it's no longer a "clad type"
While i dont expect anything out of the latter I do think it'd be cool if after mastering his new bankai it slims down heavily, still maintaining the same shape and design, just being thinner and faster looking
Although if Kubo did want to eventually bring the clad type aesthetic back (especially considering he doesn't seem to have his ouken outfit anymore, which kind of completes the look), it'd be cool if he gained a cloak of reishi as a bit of quincy representation
I really, really hope they do more with his Bankai, i would love to see the real abilities, not the breaking immediately ability
I wouldn’t mind seeing a video like this for Hitsugaya
I love the shirt
I wish Ikkaku would have went to the royal palace and got his bankai fixed...
If I'm not mistaken when he used HOS he didn't used his quincy powers (also stated by Ichigo that he could bring only one at time when he fought ywach even tho he SHOULD be able to bring both out at the same time). I'm just too curious to see him in a quincy-hollow state
I hope we get the holy trinity, a hollow/shinigami/quincy fusion. He's a hybrid, that's his hole thing, he hould be able to do that at the end of the series. He shouldn't have to switch between shinigami/hollow and quincy, he should at least be able to switch between the 3 combinations, h/s, h/q and s/q if he can't use all three at the same time yet. Each combo with a different set of powers, that would be pretty cool. No idea how that would look though.
And usually, lots of powers =/= Ichigo, sooo yeah. One can dream, right?
One gauge of power levels is the ease at which top tier Shinigami deal with Sternritter at Bambis level. Like Ichigo in Shikai just trolls the Bambi and has more than enough fire power to take them out. So far based on anime, Byakuya and Kenpachi could also take them out with ease using Shikai only but likely take some damage in return. All the other captains/ vice captains had to go bankai
I just want to know one thing, how did ichigo's bankai changed to shikai at the end when killing yhwach
27:56 Aizen would've been *so* jealous seeing this transcendent Ichigo.
The funny thing about Ichigo's powers is that they are all there since the begin, the weakness lies in Ichigos mind, to this day I still think the reason Ichigo have not acepted his hollow self is because a hollow killed Masaki, but after everything but rain Ichigo learned his hollow self is in truth a part of masaki soul he inherited thus giving him the confidence to use this powers without reservation ti the point of him using grand rei cero later.
Being a super hybrid has it's perks.
question for debate: how would an actual showdown between Yamma And Shunsui go? since Shunsui's bankai is practically a guaranteed kill?
Is the new season already over?
I guess the Byakuya video is next.
I just wish that Kubo would watch your videos honestly...esp if he plans to continue the bleach story...cos the way you explain the story and how certain things are linked and what that should imply, man....one would think you had story strategy meetings with Kubo himself🤣
Ichigos drip is sick