Could modern day German Air Force stop the Allies at D-Day, 1944?
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June 1944. D-Day. The Allies rush towards Normandy. Only… this time they encounter German aircraft, never seen before. Traveling through time and space, the modern day German Air Force decides to join the German side and defend France. Jets with guided bombs and missiles face piston engine allied planes. Would those be enough to change history? Would D-day still be a success? Watch the video to find out.
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Can you do a modern day UK and France vs Germany and Italy please?
Or the modern British military vs Germany after the fall of France and Italy
ok bom
Can you do Sweden vs denmark please
Algeria vs france pls
I can only imagine a Nazi poking around in one of the targeting pods and trying to figure out what “Made in Israel” means.
This needs to be upvoted more.
Hahahahaha
@@sircastic959 dont worry fellow redditor i updooted this wholesome chungus keanu 100 comment
LMFAOOOOO
They may get a hint if there is a blue star painted
Looks like the wonder weapons Goebels promised have arrived.
Reinforcements have arrived.
And yet they still didn't win.
Wunder waffles 🧇
Hahahahaha
He was thinking about Nukes.
Meanwhile in DDay:
US: Fighters built by Germany and wait, Britain?!
UK: *Sweats nervously.*
This wins
"We did not do it!"
Yeah lol british tornados and typhoons 😂
@@ms_publisher7143 imagine calling the eurofighter a british plane
Churchill: Its smells like a bitch in here......
What I don't see in this video is the sheer shock factor. Binkov portraits Allied air crews seeing how literally thousands of planes bite the dust, hundreds of ships sunk and thousands of personnel dying, and they just keep going on, their resolve unbruised. Just the fact that mistery uncatchable and unkillable planes are reigning havoc on any Allied formation would be enough for them to lose all morale and flee back to Britain. You think that public opinion wouldn't go crazy over so many loses? Even Allied High Command wouldn't keep on pushing against these planes. They simply have no way to know that their missiles and ammunition is limited and would just run out with time. For all they know, the Germans have developed invincible planes that would make short work of any thing the Allies throw at them. That's it, I liked the video otherwise.
Will all of Binkov's videos- he assumes full moral and continued willingness to fight. But, yeah your right- they'll certainly be an initial shock and awe that'll put the allies scrambling. But give it 6 months and the allies would start wondering why the luftwaffe aren't using their wonderweapons as much...
@@phoephoe795 I thought that Binkov only assumes full morale at the start of the campaign though, otherwise he models how morale would fluctuate.
There is a scenario where this exact factor actually motivates the allies:
"The Nazis have something that we can´t really beat and are killing us in droves. (Actual "Wunderwaffen") We know they want to conquer us and we are in a state of total war. So they are most certainly using all of these weapons they have, no reason to hide any of their power at this point. If we let this war drag on they will produce more of them. Then they WILL win.
So we MUST beat them now or we lose."
This just turned into the battle of Britain 2.0.
@Yair Correa Sure, they would not have gotten exterminated like the soviets. BUT they were still VERY motivated to win. Motivated enough to at least keep fighting down to the last plane. We are not talking Japanese style insanity of attempting to mobilize schoolgirls with bamboo spears, but the Royal Airforce would see this through.
that still wouldn't make a dent in the allies.. don't forget that the germans also had a much bigger front in the east that was constantly supplied by the huge soviet industry and the allies lend-lease equipment that never stopped even in dire times... nothing can save germany after 1943
Nazi soldier: Nice recon system, is it german?
Modern pilot: Um... yeah.
Oh boy...
radar?
@Vladimir Putin lol
Ehrlich Deutsche Qualitat!
@Three Stacks Genau
It's kinda ironic that the Luftwaffe is using American, British, French, and most hilariously, Israeli weapons/equipment on the Allied.
Germany is an occupied state with a puppet government. What else can be expected?
@@danyvarna5094 you good bro?
@@danyvarna5094 lol if anything they are a modern imperial power and the EU is their empire
@@danyvarna5094 Keep the Liquer away it isnt hood for u
@@danyvarna5094 don't drink too much plssss
Sounds like War Thunder matchmaking.
'OMG! It's possible for a Spitfire to kill a Eurofighter if i fly into the ground! The Eurofighter should be at 2.7. Germany suffers and is the worst country in the game.'
Yes it is
@@cookiecraze1310 Said nobody ever, except for russian players who cry at everything that destroys their T-90
@@siegfried2k4 French and German tanks and also probably british tanks are the only countries having.10.7 top Tier tanks , Russia doesn't even have any 10.7.tanks anymore
@@BF-109 When was the last time you played?
This is why we need a modern time traveling FPS
Get arma
@@j_mack__1370 what’s that?
@@mikeprandota3120 some realistic game set in 2035 but there are mods that add modern, Cold War, ww2 and even halo or WH 40K you can pick it up on steam
Darkest Days has a time traveler from Custer's Last Stand participate in the following:
-American Civil War, both sides
-World War 1, both sides
-World War 2, liberating Soviet POWs against the Nazis
-Pompeii during the eruption, two time-traveling armies facing each other
@@christiandauz3742 but it’s old
One factor which he completely ignores is that of moral. The loss of this many troops unexpectedly would cause the allies to lose there moral and therefore greatly reduce there efficiency in combat which would help Germany to gain the upper hand.
Yeah. That and that the allied wouldn't know that Germany is running out of ammo. For all they know Germany has actually developed those technologies and has huge production capabilities to be able to destroy dozens of ships and hundreds of planes in a single day.
A better strategy for the Germans in this fantasy scenario would probably be for the modern Luftwaffe planes to ignore RAF and USAAF planes in the air and instead to destroy all Allied airfields, which they could do with impunity using just dumb bombs. That would effectively ground the RAF and the USAAF, probably destroy a lot of it on the ground, inflict a lot of operational losses on them by forcing pilots returning from France to try to land in fields and roads, and give the Germans air supremacy within a few hours. With air supremacy achieved, the modern and WWII era Luftwaffes could then focus on things like sinking supply ships and destroying supply dumps in the UK. Cutting off the invasion force's supply lines would reduce the invasion force to a combat-ineffective mob in uniform after about two weeks, which the Wehrmacht could then mop up relatively easily. IT would certainly have been a major blow to US-UK morale to see its large invasion force quickly wiped out.
If only Goebel was as smart as you
But if they distroy only supply ships with thier WW2 planes and use hug number of bf109 plane against bomber and if German distroy only 2 things then whole invaider force colapused after one month letter
1 things is supply ships and
2 bomber planes
Whole allied army killed by hunger
Rommel : "finally, I can have some rest and celebrate my wife's birthday"
German Radar operator : "Sir, the enemies' forces seem like concentrating right upon the English Channel"
Rommel : "Ok then"
D-Day : fails
This is such a sophisticated joke. I really appreciate this and you deserve a medal!
@@seyyers Thanks!
EDIT: wait, we were talking about Rommel, so...
Tanks!
@@pedrojuan8050 but Rommel actually told Hi*ler that the Allies would in fact land at Normandy... search it up, i saw it in a documentary a few years ago (can't remember the name tho)
@@Ronald98 I said time and time again, and will never fray from this idea, Rommel was a genius.
@@Ronald98 hitler* there fixed it for you
Girls with a time machine:I'm your granddaughter
Boys with a time machine:
Next video: Modern-day Japanese navy in "The Battle of Leyte Gulf".
What is left of it?
@@danyvarna5094 JSDF navy is one of the largest and most powerful in the world , only thing they lack compared to the IJN is aircraft carriers which will be somewhat mitigated with the "heavy helicopter destroyers and the F-35s
@@Archer89201 , sadly, the Japanese Self-Defence Force (thanks to the American occupied government) Navy is neither at the scale nor at the relative power as compared to the rest of the world as was the IJN. The current Japanese Navy consists of 19 submarines, 4 helicopter carriers, 26 destroyers, 10 frigates, 6 destroyer escorts and 30 minesweepers ( with 3 landing ships, 6 patrol boats, 8 training ships, 21 auxiliaries and smaller vessels being discountable). It is a force of limited capability poorly suited for power projection and mostly serving as a well integrated in its system local USN auxiliary for monitoring, sea lane maintainance operations, and anti-submarine operations. It is not independent in regard to procurement and supply from it hegemon. I don't like that but those are the facts. I hope that, one day, the Japanese will overthrow the political, cultural and economical yoke that they got after their conquest, and transformation into an emasculated, self-hating vassal rife with traitors with no honour by the US post-WW2.
@@danyvarna5094 - we have anime. It makes it all worthwhile.
@@danyvarna5094 you know fuck all changed internally right.
Why would the modern jets target allied fighters when they have more high value targets to consider. With the advanced warnings, the Old Luftwaffe could concentrate on dealing with the Allied air power while the modern jets could hit high value command and control targets, ports, ships, factories etc. Without these ports , D Day is already done for. Old german army inflicted heavy casualties at omaha beach. With advanced warnings, even more troops will be concentrated. Most probably all of the landing sites will be very bloody for the allies. Also D Day relied upon the earlier airborne troops in order to succeed. With the modern jets shooting many many more down before they could reach france, those airborne troops will have much less impact and the old german army will have maintained constant supply lines through carentan etc.
I agree. I think I would have ordered the modern Luftwaffe to ignore USAAF and RAF planes in the air, and instead to focus on destroying every airfield in the UK within striking range of France. The modern jets could have achieved that just using dumb bombs and there would have been nothing the Allies could have done to stop them. That would effectively have taken the RAF and the USAAF out of the fight more or less completely. The modern Luftwaffe could then concentrate on things like destroying Allied supply dumps in the UK and any they established in France, sinking US and Royal Navy warships (freeing the old Luftwaffe to focus on taking out supply ships), and destroying all electric power plants in Britain. I think that would pretty effectively cut the Allied invasion forces off from supply, which would render them a mob in uniform after about two weeks, by which time they could be mopped up relatively easily by the Wehrmacht.
The least believable part of this video is that Germans from 2021 would help German from 1944.
What about the time-travelling part of the video?
@@jurisprudens Honestly, the idea of modern German soldiers, airmen and officers (who are very well educated for their entire lives about the atrocities of the Nazis and take oaths to refuse illegal orders) taking Hitlers side is more alien than time travel.
@@chrismeagher5153 Well, at the same time, Bundeswehr was created by Wehrmacht veterans.
To say nothing of the fact that WWII German soldiers did not fight for atrocities, but for their country and “justice” the way they perceived it
@@jurisprudens Doesn't stop the fact that the Wehrmarcht actively participated in as well as enabled the atrocities in the first place
@@fuckoffgoogle9747 I don't think this is relevant.
What a man fights for is relevant. Not what he has to do at war.
What’s next? Could Romans win Canae if they had machine guns?
If the Allies lost several hundred aircraft in a single day they would likely have halted offensive operations, and if multiple large transports and battleships were sunk they would have withdrawn. The arrival of modern aircraft and weapons would also have provide German designers with proven designs that they could use as templates for crude copies.
Thats not how it works. Such an operation can't simply turn back.
@FBI They can take out the conning tower though 😂😂😂
And those flimsy aircraft carriers oh boy.
@FBI Oh not a chance, those bomb has the power but not the accuracy. You can drop a thousands of them without hitting anything, while you only need one with modern bomb. Guided bombs can easily hit a moving tank, while the conning tower is much larger and slower than a tank.
Modern bombs are generally just as powerful as WW2 ones, and it's been demonstrated that battleships can take dozens of bomb hits before going down. It's just really hard to sink several tens of thousands of tons of steel. Some well placed bombs might force a return to port to repair though.
Real quick, on the subject of "conning tower hit" -- firstly, ships are actually very fast, often faster than WW2 tanks (not like this really matters ... lasers are accurate), but the real problem is that the conning tower on a battleship is absurdly well armored. Ever seen one? It's encased in a foot and a half of steel armor.
I think a couple of typhoons breaking the sound barrier, would have been scary to anyone back then.
Probably the only reason why D-Day will still be a success is that the Luftwaffe will run out of ammunition/missiles
Strap dumb bombs and start hitting airfields.
Why use conventional missiles when you have nuclear tipped warhead missiles.
After the massive loss in pilots the Allies wouldn’t have any air superiority again
Absolute correct. If i count all the theoretical Bombs dropped i think we wouod be out of ammuniton on day 2 - smart bombs at least.
For some reason author considers only STA missiles for Counter Air Defence. But modern AA canons would do the thing cheaper and more effectively.
What do 1944 and 2021 have in common? The Luftwaffe has about 5 operational jet fighters.
eurofighters: i don’t know why i’m here i don’t know what to do, all i know is that i must protect
The Fatherland
Don't forget: The US wanted to throw the nukes first at Germany, but failed to do due to them being late. In this alternative timeline, they would land somewhere on Germany, with all kind of consequences from that alone
The main issue I have with this is that it assumes the allies would persist despite the absolutely horrific losses. There’s a scene in Aliens where Hicks says “Next time they’ll walk up and knock” and Ripley says “Yeah but they don’t know that.”
After the first battle of massive casualties it’s hard to see them just throwing troops and planes at the new enemy in the hope they run out of munitions. Their behaviour throughout the war was extremely casualty averse; I expect they would have cancelled D-Day or postponed it indefinitely until they had information on the new threat.
Correct. The Allies don't know the modern munitions are limited. Morale would be plummeting and the Germans freely maneuvering their armour with renewed confidence. Omaha beach would be extremely touch-and-go and with the improved recon available, the Germans would have an excellent chance of splitting the overall beachhead. It is not like the Allies have someone insensitive to casualties like Zhukov in command. The Conservative thinkers like Ike and Monty would never want to risk a total disaster and Tedder would be crying about the lost aircraft. The previous Salerno and Anzio landings had many problems and here the Allies would see their worst nightmare starting to unfold. The urge to pull back and reassess would be heavy.
Well considering how important D-Day was I think they would try and hold their ground in France. If they don’t then it’s back to square one. But you also have to realize the Russians are still coming from the East, which Germany would probably place most of there modern aircraft there, and then the Allies are also coming from Africa/Italy.
Bomber command ended the war with just under 50% death rate, casualty averse sure but only when compared to the trenches WW1
Could the modern day Australian military fight off the Emu's?
Now that´s a question worth asking
Gold. Thanks, this made my day mate
No way. Their tech has advanced as well. One emu can take around 15 modern soldiers.
No one will ever defeat the Emus....
No one can defeat the emus..... THEY WILL RISE AGAIN IF THEY EVER FALL
I think the invasion would be called off immediately once the Allies saw the unrealistic amount of casualty suffered by its air force and navy. Because they have no idea very few planes could do so much damage, they would assume the Germans have a much much larger defense force than intelligence have suggested (10x at least). The invasion was based on months of reconnaissance of planning and suddenly the information is no longer valid. Therefore they would stop sending in planes and ships for suicide missions and postpone the invasion indefinitely before they could understand the situation. And the psychological impact of real wonder weapons on morale of troops and civilians alike would be immense that the Western Allies may even consider a peace deal.
These large scale attacks are based on momentum, they simply cant be stopped the moment they go bad. So many forces work on timing that if one even wants to pull out, it cant
@@hiteshadhikari Yeah but know as far as command knows they are facing an unknown amout of assest that exceed those of the allies. That halts amphib ops immediatly.
@@OrDuneStudios and leave the huge chunk of army and supplies stranded on enemy shores?
Ww2 era didnt have this much intelligence and much of the information was months old at times
@@hiteshadhikari If I was in charge and discovered that there was an unknown threat that is seemingly unstoppable I would abandon the men. Most of them are working class and rural background anyway ie the lower class with some sprinkling of upper class. If I was in charge by default I would be upper class ie worthy and entitled so abandoning the rabble the peasants is not an issue.Let them die their value is close to zero compared to the men of worth.
@@florinivan6907 ww2 is not the middle ages, if the army is sending men on suicidal attack the people would revolt against the army and actually demands a peace deal. And btw, the allies wont be able to supress the citizens like what the soviet does since they are democratic country, so opression could lead to a huge instability
Wrong premise... Wrong strategy. With a modern Luftwaffe i would destroy the ports in England. If you destroy 5 ports in South England right after the invasion started the game is over. Easilly acomplished with Tornados striking fuel depots, airfields and ports with GBU under cover of Typhoons. After then game over.. Just mop up the ships still afloat and the rest of the troops on the beach.
Yaaaa that is correct
I do you one better.
All the above and precision strikes cutting off C2 for Allied command.
Anihilate the Royal Family and the spirit of the Emprie dies.
@@OrDuneStudios true, but the US troops would still be in the fight, i would rather destroy the airfields so thousands of planes cant operate and basically making the axis have almost total air superiority rather than wasting missiles at fighter and transport
My point was that you don't really have to pour resources into fending off the first day of invasion. With the precision strike capability of a modern Luftwaffe you can destroy the command and logistics on a grand scale. Ports, airfields and most important of all fuel depots and command centers of the allies in a 24 to 48 hour period. Maybe divert some attention to capital ships, but after that the invasion is dead in the water with no follow up, no fuel, no command, no air superiority.. Just mop up everything stil afloat and remaining on the beaches. Proceed with looking east to the Soviets and repeat..
@@maartencautereels1206 funny man... the allies would repair those in a couple of hours.. then everything would resume as planned.. but by then the germans would run out of modern armament... remember, this is the german airforce.. not the massive US airforce.. germany can't project that much airpower... also even the americans tried that in vietnam and they failed...
In the words of the Russian badger's crew
"If we throw enough people at the bullet, eventually, they'll run out of bullets"
That's not at all accurate as to what happened. Especially as when it comes down to the Germans v soviets, only one was throwing 12 year olds with panzerfausts at the invading army around the capital.
Yeah, like in the battle of Moscow, 1 million, 200 thousand Germans attacking, 1 million, 100 thousand Soviets defending, and the Soviets still won. They've must've all simply threw themselves at German bullets.
It's a god damn joke
@@Yeeter000 Where's the funny? Its just wrong
@@Yeeter000 It’s a terrible joke
The video ignores the human elements, after being struck by rain of advanced missles, the allies would retreat.
No i don't think soo
@@normalguy5208 Yeah, probably. The Western allies never do anything, unless they have a massive firepower and intel advantage. D-day would've been scrapped to mitigate losses.
The allies had so many ships and aircraft at that point. If anything the sheer amount of flak thrown into the air by the allied fleet is bound to destroy some jets
@@Starwarsgeek-98 Don’t you see the part that says “shell would need a minute to reach the modern jets altitude”? It would be impossible to aim for the jets.
@@Starwarsgeek-98 modern day aircraft can attack from kilometers away without every being seen. Flak cannons require a line of sight to the target. And even if they could see the jet aircraft, they are way too fast to hit. They cannot touch the jets.
Could the entire Roman fleet take out one modern warship?
Take out? Like an Arleigh Burke? No. Which is kind of amazing.
Probably run out of 5” rounds though. I believe only 680 are stored on board
How? they have no way to even damage it, the modern ship would just have to ram them all if it runs out of ammo.
No, they couldn’t catch it.
It’s gun alone would sink them all.
Most would run away.
So the true winner in this scenario is Soviets: “Hello Europe, here I come!”
That mystery plane come from nowhere : im going to stop u right there
@@blitzkriegc1112 mystery plane has no more ammo to stop them
Yeah and the Soviets would capture the plane technology since the allies couldn't invade, then the soviets would get super advanced and crush the usa and we would have a communist world.😂
@@slobodanmilosevic7487 6 months is enough to re-equip the entire Modern Luftwaffe.
@@notsoprofessionalweeb 6 months is also enough for the soviets to conquer germany after all it's losses
I think you overlooked the modern Lufwaffes capabilities to fight in darkness - and their vastly superior effectiveness using unguided bombs the old Luftwaffe could supply in huge amounts. When the enemy has neither radar guided AAA nor MANPADS especially the ships in the channel and the channel ports would be almost helpless at night even vs. relatively low altitude attacks by planes dropping unguided bombs aimed with the help of modern ballistic computer sights.
And with the modern Luftwaffe providing escorts the old Luftwaffe might also do some serious harm during the day using the Fritz-X guided glide bomb from high altitude.
I think the Omaha beachead would definitely have failed.
If the invasion fleet was hit in port or as it assembled it would've been over before it started.
@@dylanmilne6683 even if they already land, if the port is destroyed they are dead anyway, maybe even worse since they will be stranded in the beaches with no way to return and no supply
Downfall time
Adolf "These planes will be able to turn the tide of our war"
General 1 "My Furher.... these planes...."
General 2 "Using a couple of these missles is a massive strain on our economy. We cannot reproduce then nor do we even have the means to create these new jets at all..."
There is a major mistake in the narrative here. At 18:17 they say the allies encircled the Germans after a "quick" breakout. That breakout did not take place historically until 7 weeks after the invasion. Even Caen, which is not far from the beach did not fall for 4 weeks. There was no "quick" breakout. Even with the complete control of the air and naval support, the Allies had to grind it out to get room to setup the breakout. The breakout itself, Operation Cobra depended on a major carpet bombing effort. In this scenario, all that becomes questionable both on the losses already sustained and the risk of such a concentration of vulnerable bombers.
The Germans would have the freedom of movement to concentrate their armour by the end of the first week on the weakest point and have a good chance for a successful breakthrough as the modern Luftwaffe could concentrate on supporting that specific effort.
The Werhmacht would focus all available resources to destroy the allied beachheads in Normandy, with the allies low on supply, low morale, little air support, poor Naval support, either the allied ground troops surrender or gets destroyed that's the ony possible scenarios that would have occurred.
I mean if 500 planes get recked in half and hour any competent general will cancel the invasion
Nobody:
They history channel at midnight:
I believe you understimate the psychological effect in the allies after losing hundreds of thousands of troops in the first couple of days. I say the allies would have ordered the retreat on D Day +1 and it would have taken them several years before even thinking about invading Eurooe again
General Eisenhower had his letter of defeat prepared: www.businessinsider.com/d-day-in-case-of-failure-letter-by-general-eisenhower-2012-6?r=DE&IR=T
Let me shorten it.
The answer is no. You can count the number of operational jets we have on your own two hands.
Thats the sad truth
That's not true. The operational readiness of the luftwaffe is around 70% according to the report of the german bmvg.
Deinen IQ auch
@@BNP_-rb8ic Oh, clever.
If they sent the jets to the russian front, they could have likely negotiated peace with the Soviets. Then, they could have focused on the allies and in a few years had almost perfect replicas of modern jets. Britian would fall quickly, and the soviets might last a year in a war with them, but modern jets would change the war entirely.
Not a chance, not enough large targets like ships mean lower damage to soviet army, and germans little overdo they genocidal spree on soviet soil.
Depending on the amount of modern jets.
In the case of Germany, they just have 465 nowadays, which would be hard to distribute in such a large space. They could have helped a lot and been determining important battles, but in the rest, not much else would have changed. I doubt it would be a determining factor in who wins or who loses and would have most probably ended up the same way it did.
One raid and Stalin and his buddies are all dead
Ahh, reminds me of that film about F-14s at Pearl Harbour.
The Final Countdown with Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen ?
@@besam14 yup
So quantity > quality. I will remember that.
Yes, take the eastern front as an example lol
@@charlzofficial8244 You mean the front where the Germans outnumbered the Soviet forces for significant periods of time?
@@saint4life09 maybe in concurrent numbers, but not total
That means china is #1 military?
@@1HeatWalk Taiwan #1!
I think the Modern Luftwaffe would destroy the command structure. No problem with Taurus Cruise Missile (350 km Range). The 600 available in Modern Luftwaffe would destroy the key leaders of the Allies (War Room in London, Royal Family, Houses of Parlaments,...) , with the possibility to make long Strike Missions with Airbus MRTT even in the US (Pentagon, White House, Congress, Los Alamos,...) With this Shock and Awe, the fighters and bombers of the Allies would not longer take off, the Royal and US Navy would retreat. It would probably had come to a pease treaty within weeks. If the Modern Luftwaffe would have the knowledge of all things that happend before D-Day (especially that Enigma cipher was broken), IT would have been a game changer. But, I don't think the engineers of the Modern Luftwaffe could modernize the production quick enough to become leader in air power. So 10 years later, Germany would have lost the next war.
The modern Luftwaffe ist no big deal today, too small and not top level equipment, but in 1944, it would have changed the game.
Your forgetting some major issues with your assessment. Your forgetting the psychological affect. Now imagine what affect it would have had on Eisenhower and supreme allied commands decision making if the air armada that went in to deliver the 101st and 82nd airborne divisions reported being destroyed in large numbers by planes they never saw or heard but planes were just being blown out of the sky left and right before flak or fighter aircraft opened up with guns. Then add in the reports from any surviving aircraft that these fighters seemed to know their exact positions in the dark almost like they could physically see them (which those pilots in modern fighter jets would be able to see them). you also have to account that modern fighters use a 20mm rapid firing main cannon those guns would have make short work of the transport planes of the time, any escorting fighters would have been ripped apart by those guns as well. Plus with modern targeting assist systems on those fighter jets they would only need to expend short bursts to to knock out an enemy fighter instead of long streams of bullets to get a hit. All of these reports I am sure would have given Eisenhower pause to consider the viability of conducting the D day invasion. But lets assume he goes forward with it anyway, suddenly these fighters the far exceed anything the ME 262 could achieve in means of speed arrive and pilots watch planes firing extremely fast missiles that they cannot out run that seem to home in on them despite their evasive actions. Most planes targeted by the missiles would be downed before they had a real chance to react because they would not be expecting such weapon. Now consider that ground attack planes with their guided munitions are hitting ships with missiles and bombs from out side of the the supporting ships AA bubbles and landing graft are dropping like flies though I also consider Battle Ships would have been priority targets as well as their 15 and 16 inch guns could provide major fire support to the beaches. That also means the overall leadership of the invasion could be decapitated when these few BBs are hit with guided anti ship missiles. During all of these with the advanced warning provided the historical Luftwaffe would be present in much larger numbers providing assistance as well. The psychological affect of these modern missiles dropping planes from the sky with little effort and then the guns of these aircraft inflicting incredible damage in only a few rounds to allied aircraft plus ships being sunk by weapons fired from planes that never had to enter allied AA bubbles coupled with the fact these planes were moving faster than anything the allied had ever seen let alone dreamed of (The sound barrier had not been broken yet at this time) This all would have played a huge psychological affect on the leadership but imagine the troops on the ground? Watching allied planes and ships being dropped with what to them would seem like impunity while suffering 50% casualties on every beach and facing increasingly steep German ground resistance plus the constant pounding and strafing runs being conducted by the historical and future German air forces, add in the struggle to keep enough supplies rolling in as the Germans would have the time and ability to concentrate heavy artillery in the area which with drones spotting would means any allied ship coming within range of the beaches would be under intense artillery fire the entire time. Then we consider the storm that rolled in and prevented the Allies from resupplying the beach heads for 3 days. With increased German troop levels in the air and the presence of these new "wonder" planes in the air forces German commanders would be emboldened and more aggressive. Its likely that in the down time while that storm raged the Germans would move all available forces forward and pre stage them for an offensive push as well as all effort would be pushed into insuring as many normal and modern planes were operational, fueled, and armed for when the storm lifted. Knowing German blitzkrieg tactics the moment the storms lifted the German troops would be in ready positions waiting the arrival of the German air forces. Once those combined old and modern planes arrived and started reeking Havok on the allied lines the Germans would have launched and all out offensive on every sector of the beachheads. Being low on ammunition, fuel, and food I really do not consider it likely the reduced number of troops and equipment would have been able to hold against Germans troops fully stocked on supplies crashing into them hard. Allied bombing would have also stopped. Allied doctrine established 25% losses in bombers and aircraft as acceptable and sustainable. Allied doctrine called for an immediate cessation of bombing missions if casualties broke over 25%. The first bomber wave that was sent to Germany and lost at least 250 bombers to a combination of sam missiles their fighters could not protect them from and modern aircraft their fighters again could not protect them from would have called off the bombing missions. This breathing space for the German industry would have had noticeable affect. I really think you under estimate the psychological impact the modern German air forces abilities would have had on allied leaders. I think honestly with significant loses to the 101st and 82nd on the night before D day and then the drastic losses in aircraft and ships the morning along with every beach inflicting 50% or better casualties because of German reinforcements arriving quickly on station as they would not be harried by allied air power on their way to the beaches would have lead Eisenhower to call of the invasion and return to England with the bulk of allied forces still intact the used in a future invasion after this new threat had been evaluated. Also considering German scientist would have also likely started immediate process to try and reverse engineer as much as they could from the modern equipment brought back this could have huge ramifications on the wars out come. Also not considering that once the D day invasion was called off after suffering significant losses German would have very quickly transferred large bulks of the troops in France and Norway to the eastern front. Considering D day would likely have been called off on June 6th or 7th that would leave the Germans 16 days to transfer ground and air forces to the eastern front prior to operation Bagration launched by the Russians on the 23rd of June. This sudden influx of extra troops and air forces especially the modern planes the Russians would have received terrifying reports about could very well have caused the operation to fail. There is so much involved in this hypothetical situation that you have left out of consideration.
I was too lazy to read the whole thing but I agree with you
I want to built a time machine now ...
I would expect the germans to do raids on allied airfields as well, to prevent them from bringing as many planes as quickly. And as you've pointed out, strafing ground targets from the air had a bad consistency record, so I'd expect the germans to focus on transport aircraft, ignoring allied fighters, as their limited range would more than likely prevent them from giving chase, trying to catch them on the ground, and having the german team focusing on a fast turn around time, trying to maintain some presence at all times.
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Those are my favourite videos by you. The huge differences between modern and old millitary equipment. I hope there will be more of these.
3:47
Ironic
lmao
D-day would fail. If german conventional army almost defeated the allied forces, now imagine a modern luftwaffe. The allies would not be able to do anything
Yeah but if allies are not aware of what Germans have of modern weapons (and how much of!), when they encounter such hard resistance at first day, they would probably just cancel whole operation until they investigate what happened. Then, the future will depend on how much they are able to gather information... if they are not able to find out that Germans have limited amounts of modern missiles, they would never push the action again!
There's a few factors not taken into account in this scenario.
1) The role of the Kriegsmarine. The modern Luftwaffe would take a heavy toll on both the Allied air force and the Allied navy, which would greatly assist the Kriegsmarine to take a more active role than was historically the case. Whatever shipping the Luftwaffe wasn't able to sink, you can be the Kriegsmarine would be able to mop up, leaving very little that made it to the shore.
2) Both Allies and Axis (and probably Soviets) would instantly start trying to reverse-engineer the new technology to make more/their own copies of it, as well as start trying to devise some sort of countermeasures. It would take weeks or months to even start getting some results, but since this war wouldn't be ending anytime soon it is very much relevant. The Germans of course would have a massive advantage with intact examples of the technology to work with. Allies might obtain a crashed plane if they're lucky, or maybe a fully intact one if one of the modern Luftwaffe pilots were to defect which let's be honest there's a good chance that would happen because of reasons that don't need to be explained.
3) Allied Strategic bombing campaign over Germany would be crushed by the modern Luftwaffe and SAMs. This means German factories and industry would not be as heavily devastated as it historically was, and would be able to recover. This means German production on all armaments would be far greater than historically the case, and this would have an impact on the war in ways that are difficult to calculate.
For these three and maybe other reasons I say its a lot less likely for an Allied victory than Binkov suggests. His simulation isn't properly taking these factors into consideration.
Since the Luftwaffe know they will run out of ammo shortly - why wouldn't they take advantage of the temporary gains and go on the offensive while the allied airforce/navy is temporarily weakened?
To reverse engineer these jets you would have to capture one first, or at least down one.
Besides I doubt you could reverse engineer them in a matter of years, let alone be able to set up a production line for all the required parts or even materials used.
@@gourmetbanana Going on the offensive by driving the Allies into the sea is the only offensive possible in the western front. Don't forget they are fighting a war on two-fronts and losing heavily in the East. But I think if they manage to defeat the Normandy invasion the western Allies might sue for some sort of peace and then they could free up troops from the West for some sort of push in the East.
That is yet another thing Binkov's scenario doesn't take into account. Historically the Allies insisted on unconditional surrender for the Axis, but with the heavy losses thanks to the modern Luftwaffe it would probably force the Allies to reconsider that stance and accept some sort of negotiated peace.
@@louisazraels7072 That's why I said Germans would have a huge advantage with that since they would have working intact examples to analyze in detail. And I meant more the spare parts and ammunition needed to keep the existing ones operating. Building completely new ones would take a lot longer of course.
The outcome would be different to the video. The allies lost a few thousand men on D day (mainly at Omaha) and this was enough for them to consider withdrawing from that beach. Had the modern planes targeted the battleships and cruisers and large troopships the allied casualties would have been massive (10000- 20000 + on D Day) and together with lack of navel gunfire support this would have caused the allies to abort the landings.
The recon and situational awareness would have made a massive difference and a Tornado flying along south coast and London at supersonic speed would have broke every window for miles and scared the crap out of civilians.
I always want modern german military vs ww2 allies but no one make it 😖
@@Shin-lh9ih try writing your own it might be fun
To me the funniest thing about this scenario would be England shooting down a drone over their territory and wondering WTF is this wundrwaffe, flying with no pilot.
They will probably confound it with a V1 or something similar
They already knew about V1 flying bombs with its primitive guidance system
If they break down the drone, they would see wirings to (i think) servo motors controlling the rudders, elevators and stuff. These wirings connected to the main computer.
They wont understand the computer, but they would figure out that it is a very advanced controller
Alternative title: *Man explains the prologue of Wolfenstein: New Order*
In Wolfenstein, the Germans took 156k allied prisoners, which is the entire allied foot soldiers (source: a newspaper clipping), which is kinda stupid.
If the allies knew they are losing, why keep sending 156k into a losing battle?
Pure desperation, they need to stall the German War Machine from reaching both Great Britain and The United States
@@jonkersjcomers I mean, they keep sending every single last men into Normandy.
Any sensible commander would cancel the attack on day one when faced with technology that is 10x superior to their own and keeps wrecking them. Imagine some kind of aliens attacking Earth with technology that wreaks absolute havoc on human forces. Would the humans be like "they're going to run out of supplies soon, lets just keep throwing and loosing thousands of troops at them per hour"?
Well, that's what Warsaw pact doctrine was actually teaching.
@@danyvarna5094 Because at the time of the Warsaw pact, the technological advancement difference is nothing as close to what is in this video.
@@NguyenTran-eq2wg, most of the platforms are broadly comparable while numbers and stockpiles are very different. Check it yourself.
@@danyvarna5094 Exactly, the platforms are not comparable in this video’s scenario.
@@NguyenTran-eq2wg , not necessarily. On the other hand, overwhelming platforms through swamping them with an excess of targets that they can't engage and just praying the price in meat may be theoretically sound yet not palatable for the 'meat'. The first Chechen war amply demonstrated what happens when there is a divergence between doctrine and the (in that war surely different then the one in prior wars) mentality of the ones called to execute it through their flesh.
The Tornadoes could go low level over the beaches dropping cluster munitions. Causing enough casualties might cause the Allies to give pause to push any further.
Germany is one of about 100 countries who have proscribred cluster ammunition, so modern day German airforce doesn't have any of those.
00:15 "Those are the modern Eurofighters *ready to meet them*."
That's the most fictionous fiction in history of fiction.
Those are Saab Grippens. :)
They can fly straight to London and demolish every important military and symbolic target in an hour. With a lot of tankers they might even be able to destroy targets in the US.
the allies would send 1000+ bomber raids against the airbases that the jets are based out of, they mau not have laser guided bombs but they were experienced in grid square removal
@@graveperil2169 But the Germans have better radar, and missiles, the only issue for them would be oil, which the jets guzzle like no tomorrow. And if any German planes are shot down over England or the United States those countries get their tech, and can compete, and they have oil. So either way Germany can’t win the war
@@skymandoesyourmom the tech is most likely to advanced for easy reverse engineering, we are talking about a device run on microchips in a world that is still using vaccum tubes the base industry is just not there, the allies have no reason to expect that the germans can not maintain the attacks as they can not touch them in the air there only hope is to destory them on the ground they have no option but to send every bomber they have aganist the bases or assuming that the attacks continue like the first day in a week+ they will no longer have an air force
@@graveperil2169 if you are talking about airbases, then the germans would do the same, but faster.... Since in term of speed the jets are much faster so even if they take off at the same time, the jets would have destroyed a lot of important assets, and of course they would know the location of the airbase since in the scenario they only lost the memory after 1944
And if all the airbase is destroyed they can just ignore the fighters that cant land anymore and just focus all their missile at the bombers that are trying to bomb the airbase. And then the germans would have total air superiority, they could also bomb the naval ports on the british island so that the invading forces that actually landed would ran out of supply or starved to death
@@Felix-dv9wn disabling the airfields of the modern jets maybe easier due to the number of the airfields being limited and them requiring long paved runways while the ww2 aircraft are spread over a large number of airfields that are in a lot of cases just grass fields so are easier to repair/relocate
If Luftwaffe can surge for 3 days, the Allies would suffer horrific losses. 2E and 4E bombers would drop like flies from modern canon rounds. Even Tornado IDS fighters would have a field day. You forgot to include advanced combat trainers btw.
Royal Navy:
Too many of us...
You will eventually have to go home for fuel and ammo....
Modern Luftwaffe:
Ja.. But we leave you some air-dropped sea mines to keep you company... #BinGleichWiederDaTommy...
The fact is that humans are not robots. If such damage was imposed on the allies' airforce by Luftwaffe, many pilots at the allies' side would have been simply intimidated to take part in the war. During the war in Afghanistan where the Soviets were fighting Mujahidins, many Russian helicopter pilots used to simply refuse to fly because the Afghans efficiently targeted and downed Russian helicopters by the NATO made MANPADS. However, the video was funny as usual 😁
I think a better tactic would be to have the modern fighters focus on the capital ships in the navy as those take much longer to replace. Once those are removed, you could have the German submarines attack. Also, attacking the fighter bases in England, especially at night, would be quite effective in taking out the Allied airforce. A few well-placed laser-guided bombs could also take out the command leadership of the Allies. Using the modern fighter's asymmetric advantages could have a much larger impact than just counting the number of missiles that they shoot at enemy fighters.
That was the original idea for the Me-262, since no matter what the allies will have numerical superiority in the expected invasion if a bomber could go drop a guided bomb into a capital ship and outrun the enemy aircraft in theory a fighter/bomber Me-262 could be decisive... Hitler´s idea was not illogical or dumb, but the airplane was not ready to meet D-day.
That's what I would do exactly, blow up the ships. The bomber formations are highly in accurate and the fighter formations can't catch the jets in the air.
Man if they only targeted the battleships it would cause the invasion to be cancelled. Those sorts of losses simply aren't acceptable.
The airfields and ports is a better target tbh
It would be tricky to sink the battleships, though. Most of the anti ship missiles of today cannot defeat armor (because modern ships don't have it); you could mission kill them, but not sink them.
@@VRichardsn I dunno. The modern German airforce has 600 Taurus bunker buster cruise missiles. These have a 500km range. Bunker busters are rated to go through several feet of of earth and concrete and then explode. I am no expert but I reckon it would defeat a battleship quite easily.
So yeah there are better stratrgic targets but with 6 tornados carrying two missiles each you'd probably turn back the invasion fleet.
@@dylanmilne6683 The raw size and amount of individual sealable compartments in a battleship makes sinking them quite challenging. Even if the bunker busters hit directly through the deck of the ship, the damage would mostly be internal structure damage, and unlikely to piece the hull of the ship. Penetrating the hull from inside the ship is much harder than from outside, since the thick steel hull has a "solid" barrier of water behind it - whereas a hit from the outside would mean hitting the steel plate with a hollow area behind it.
Even if the bunker buster managed to hit from the external side of the hull, and below the waterline, a single hit would be very unlikely to cause enough damage by itself. The largest battleships of that era (Iowa, Yamato and the likes) shot shells in the 2500-3300 lbs range with similar or superior TNT equivalent of the Taurus, and their armor was designed partially with this in mind.
The Yamato battleship got hit by an American torpedo that managed to blow a 5 meter wide hole in the hull, which basically just meant that it had to sail to port for maintenance/repairs.
So like @richardsen mentioned, you could likely disable their ability to carry out their mission, but sinking these giants would prove quite difficult with modern tech weapons meant for modern threats - those Taurus weapons would simply be better used for different targets where they would have better success rate.
@@dylanmilne6683 Ah, yes. Bunker busters should do it. Do they have the guidance for the job? If so, we are set.
The Germans go do nothing but sink oil tankers, and win.
American soldier :-" This is a machine gun "
German Lad :- goes back in time
" Yes it is "
( Erika playing in background )
I disagree. Pilots and ship crews take time to replace, and the landings would fail, as the lack of bombardment on the beaches would mean mines and defenses are up, plus lack of supply.
Long term of course, the allied forces would still win, but just, as with cannon fire the modern forces would take out scores of bombers and fighters.
There is the same mistake with ammunition and the effects of its shortage Binkov makes in all his videos. The allies don't know that the amount of missles is limited. After losing thousands of planes the allies would just stop attacking until they figure out what the fuck is going on. Even if the generals want ot go in all guns blazing: Good luck in getting men to board their planes and start when the last three attacks had a 100% casualtiy rate.
Stop? Hell no.
Delay? Definitely.
However, why aren't the modern Luftwaffe using their inbuilt cannons? A wave of jets doing a low fly-by while strafing the land force will severely demoralised the landing troops further delaying it.
Winning the war? Nope
@@nighhemperor Hotel? Trivago
IMO the cannons with radar targeting will be able to one tap so many planes flying 500km/h+ slower than the jet in formation. They can target them in the dark with zero chance of any transport ww2 plane to defend itself.
They are he said it in the video
@@aminebe1263 I herd him but I think he really underestimated their efficiency level
German modern air forces have moved back in time but retained the tactics of the 40s. Haha :)
It makes no sense to disable ships at sea and planes in the air. Having advantages in speed, in gun power, and most importantly in intelligence. It was easier to strike at fuel depots, ammunition, troop deployments, air defense, airports, and ports. Destroy bridges and train stations throughout the United Kingdom. With an approach time of 30 minutes, it would be possible to calmly destroy the headquarters and command centers and paralyze the control of the army.
thats what I said in other comment. you dont need to deal with thousands of targets one by one, just ground them all by destroying their supply and command chain. Much more efficient sorties = less sorties = less detrition = less manteinance = prolonged fighting period
Yeah but then you have a problem, you have 10,000 planes that can strike at German supplies lines and cripple the jets. Once those are destroyed the jets have to ground and the allies will rebuild faster and still win.
@@manticore4952 Before sending 10,000 planes into a spam attack, you need to understand where to send them. This requires intelligence. Can you argue with the fact that a modern air defense system can easily detect and destroy a reconnaissance Spitfire with a wingspan of 12 meters and a speed of 400 km/h? The Spitfire has a combat radius of 680 km versus 1380 for the Typhoon. And do not forget about the means of electronic suppression, capable of extinguishing all radio waves and radars of the 40s.
Our modern air force cant even stop from falling apart from the lack of spare parts.
I am from the german Army. We couldnt even stop Denmark right now becouse the poor state of our Army.
Unfortunate that so many Germans are so ignorant of our army
I am from the Danish Army. First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin.
They have 140 Eurofighters in total, of which around 35 are constantly operational. This is not because they dont have the ability to have more fighters operational, but keeping such a large fleet of airplanes ready costs a lot of money. And since they dont have really a threat or war going on, and also a very limited air space, it seems just reasonable to have the other planes in reserve, with the ability to reactivate them within a day or two.
Its a huge money safer!
Please dont get fooled by the warmongers. They will use facts like this for their own purposes, like getting bigger budgets to keep a larger fleet active, saying something like: We are not operational, etc.
Most media in Germany are also very NATO biased, a lot of journalists are in "transatlantic" NGOs.
Its not only the German media that bashes their own military. The same thing goes on in other countries.
They want to spread fear among the citizens, to get their approval to gear the military up.
That’s because you are still under American occupation.
@@VashtheStampede007 A very free occupation, to say at least. They are garnisoned here, yes. But otherwise the Russians would do the same if they had the ressources. ;) There are no bad or good states. Just bad and good politicians. It is the human factor that causes wars and other bad things. Not nationalities or religion.
Could the 300 Spartan beat the Persians with nuclear missiles ?
Depends on where they use them only in the battle ? Then i think it would be a draw becouse both sides get rekt
Commissar Binkov, please do: Could the modern Japanese Air Self-Defense Force stop the US bombardment of Japan in 1945?
this
Probably, but if the Americans threw their whole Air Force at Japan as a decoy so the nukes could still be dropped...
And the Soviet invasion of Manchuria would lead the Japanese to ultimately surrender to US terms.
Since they cannot afford to halt or stop the Soviet Red Army.
Could the Modern Day 🇮🇹 Military successfully invade 🇬🇷 in 1940?
No, somehow it would even be worse
I think a more interesting video would be could Zeus successfully invade Italy back? 🤣
@A dude with a flashlight Oh no offense. I love pizza 🍕
And I think Zeus loves pizza too 🤔
It would be better (with no Mussolini) but IDK the strength of Italian army and navy
And here I am...at 3 in the morning on a saturday and watching THIS...quarantine at its finest
History Channel on Midnight be like:
LMAO
OR, only use precision weapons for targeting british ports and airfields. They could completely cut the allies off from their logistics chain.
Please do a scenario in a an other timeline where staufenberg succeed, a separate peace deal was archived and thus the whole German military was thrown against the Soviets in summer 1944 before operation Bagraton
Interesting, but I doubt they would be able to stop the massive Soviet advance.
by 1945 the soviets mobilized 34 million soldiers ( almost 850 divisions) and over a hundred thousand tanks and thousands of aircrafts... the germans could not have stopped that even when all their population got conscripted to the frontlines... Source : Wikipedia
@@Ronald98 What?! 34 million soldiers? Hundred thousand tanks? What kind of dream is that? The Red Army does not have unlimited resources you know. Double check you're sources.
@@Ronald98 Mobilized doesnt mean deployed, and that number doesnt factor in Combat Deaths (or other deaths). Its more likely the Soviets had about 4-5 Million Troops deployed during that time (thats still a relatively high estimate), including all branches of the army.
And even if they had 35 Million Troops deployed in 1945, then you have too many troops to organize, so its likely that they would crumble due to unorganization (which is a thing, too many units arent controllable and are way easier to kill than just a few, coordinated troops. Aka, use Spray&Pray and Kill a fuck ton of soldiers in the meantime.)
What do April, 6th 2021 and May, 8th 1945 have in common?
The Luftwaffes got four combat-ready jets...
we actually have more, still funny
Rumor goes that there were also more available on May, 8th:-) In any case: Flinten-Uschi and AKK managed to disarm the German Army. We're making progress here: it took Hitler WW2 to achieve this.
German soldier: what country was that jet of yours made?
German pilot: um let me see *made in israel* uh... don't mention that
the jets were made in europe.. not israel.. the recon pods were made in israel
And they dont know what Israël is yet.
@@robinhood791 They would know. They knew the Jews were calling British Palestine "Eretz Israel" (land of Israel). They would assume the Jews started a revolution against the Brits and took over the land. And then developed crazy stuff like those recon pods.
You seem to forgot, drones are guided by GPS which doesn't exist at the time. Remotely? You need a network of relays for that, again where GPS comes in.
This video was very entertaining to watch, but it also painfully reminded me of how absolutely poopy the modern day Luftwaffe is.
I heard that the Luftpancake is better, but I haven't tried it.
@@fnamelname9077 lmao
@@monkemonke2298 XD
wolfenstein be like:
Imagine you're an allied soldier who just landed in France and you hear the roar of a tornado lining your beach up for a bombing run.
Low flying modern jets are very vulnerable to very basic ground fire. We lost multiple in the Iraq wars and Vietnam to WW2 tech level AAA.
Forgetting the morale factor of these jets destroying aircraft and ships with impunity. Better usage of the airforce would be concentrating on capitol ships and precision bombing port facilities in Britain rather than shooting down some spitfires and mustangs.
I think the value of the Eurofighters cannon was disregarded in this scenario. Once out of missiles, they could have destroyed several more planes per sortie very easily with their lead computing radars.
not to mention that unguided bombing would be insanely accurate as well (compared to WW2 standards) due to the CCIP (continuously computed impact point) sight on the jet's HUD
@@evokerzz absolutely! Not to mention, the cruise speed is way off. If I remember correctly, the Eurofighter can super cruise, so they could be from their bases in germany to the shores of france in minutes. Also, air-to-air refueling would drastically increase loiter time.
I wander if you'll make a video about if the entire german 2021 army (navy, airforce, army) in 1942 1-2 weaks before stalingrad or in 1943 2-3 weks before kursk
German sees “made in Israel”
*becomes fuhrerius*
The tornados should not attack radar sites but instead just sink some ships. They are just as untouchable as the eurofighters in this scenario but with the right armament, they can wreak absolute havoc on the allied navy. So there is not even a chance for large scale ground support fire from these battle ships. They could pretty much cherrypick what ships they want to sink and choose between troop carriers or battleships. The biggest issue was not allied radar. It was air superiority and naval superiority. The tornados alone would change the naval aspect because they are rock to their scissors in the channel.
Poland and Czechoslovakia vs Germany(1938)
Yes, 100%. Prior to Munich accords and loss of Sudetenland.
"Premature WWII"? Germany still wins, but much slower and bloodier.
@@mva6044 exactly
The German AF would not be targeting airplanes. They would be sinking warships and transport ships filled with troops.
Germany would still lose. The red army wasnt gona slow down because the western allies got bogged down in France.
Red Army did advanced only because Germans had to relocate troops from the Eastern front to Normandy.
@@javorekbg6081 even if D-day didn’t happen and no other invasion occurred the red army would still be marching into Berlin. It’s just a matter of when.
@@javorekbg6081 The germans didnt relocate a noticable ammount of troops west when the landings happened. In fact the plant was to beat the western allies in to the sea and then move the troops east.
If the western allies get bogged down rather than braking our of Normandy Germany still cant put more troops on the eastern front.
History fans: "Stop! You are not even making any sence."
History enjoyers:
when you deploy your tier 1 plane against jet planes in war thunder
the sad truth is
no, because we only have 3 operational fighters
Sad?
@@KameroonEmperor well, our military is in a very bad shape
@@kakake2098 well in this scenario it's pretty good that you have a bad military
@@KameroonEmperor well, i agree that it's a good thing that the military got grinded down back then. But if they didn't have had air superiority they wouldn't have attempted it. And it's sad that we don't even have the 2,5% mandatory military spending for NATO.
@@argumasch663 sigh
It's indeed 2% but we can't even reach that mark
As for my knowledge about our military, i think that it's sufficient, otherwise i wouldn't plan on joining it
The D-Day knight: look at what they need to mimic a fraction of my power
It is questionable whether a piston engine would produce enough of a heat signature for IR AAMs to engage at maximum range. If the modern planes had to get within visual range of the WWII allied planes they would take at least a few losses. With hundreds of P-51s, P-47s, Spitfires, and Tempests hanging clouds of .50cal and 20mm fire in front of the oncoming jets, a few are bound to be either shot down or damaged enough to prevent future sorties.
Piston-prop aircraft become stealth aircraft by default.
There alot of assumptions. In fact, modern Luftwaffe is right now not prepaired for a big defending war. If they would, we would have much more planes. Also, I guess shooting down a old allied bomber just with the jet machine gun is also more reasonable than using your few sidewinder rockets.
There's also the assumption that the U.S., or even the U.K. would fight to the last man. Morale in bomber fleets was already really low with the loss rates back then. At some point, either the officers or the enlisted would have seen the catastrophic tolls and decided enough was enough. The American population, who wasn't even interested in war in 1939 - 1940, would have gotten quickly sick of it, too. Hard to say where the breaking point would have been, but retreating out of France is a real possibility.
Well.. those luftwaffe pilots would've informed hitler about what happened throughout ww2 & that would've changed every step & strategy used by the nazis..
bruh he literally said they forgot everything
I love your videos but I don´t think you put enough thought in the ship destroying ability or more specific how many of the ships really matter.
The Allies might have used 7k ships. But around 38 ships (the largest troop transports) were responsible for carrying about 25% of the infantry landed on D-Day. Destroying those, which make up less than 1% of the fleet, is worse than Omaha Beach on every beach since it means more than 10k loses for Omaha and more than 5k for the others each, before the landings even start.
Add in the 7 battleships, 25 cruisers, 2 monitors and we are still way under the 100+ ships that the modern day German air force could destroy without even really giving it their all. They could easily in addition to the ships mentioned destroy 1/3 of the destroyers. On Day one. Without really trying that hard. Most likely the invasion will be called off at that point and any destroyers and bigger warships fleeing German/French waters.
Still if we go with the mindset that the invasion is to big to be called off: The modern day German air force could complete the task of destroying the destroyers plus any big warships called in as replacement and would still have capacity to destroy more transport ships on Day two. Again focusing on the biggest ships and leaving the smaller ones to the regular WWII era German air force and coastal batteries, many of the later which would have been originally taken out or suppressed by the now missing warships.
Unless the Allies continue to feed large ships into the fire, day three would be the day the modern day German air force starts looking for bigger ships elsewhere. A few days later the question is not how to supply the invasion in France but the British Isles themselves. The modern German air force easily doing what the German WWII U-boats and Navy could not, blockading Britain.
Note the Allies can´t easily out produce the modern day German air force when it comes to replacing big ships, like it can with planes.
Or....
They could just send armed drones to laser-bomb Westminster and every politician's home in London everyday till the British sue for peace....?
Totally agree, I think they would not focus on planes as they are only a nuisance at this point and even normal machineguns can take down ww2 era bombers pretty well. If they take out the bigger ships the material and personnel losses would be so astronomical (along with the massive psychological effect, me 262 on super steroids kind of psychological effect) that I even dare to say they might propose a ceasefire if the Germans can bluff that they have infinite supply of these planes.
Don't forget that especially night time raids would be nigh impossible with modern jetfighters around and any kind of major air offense would yield hundreds of planes lost and thousands dead (even if rockets run out, the Eurofighters could be retrofitted with 20-30 mm ww2 cannons under the wings with radars and night vision they'd simply decimate the night time bomber runs).
Allied morale would plummet, German would rise.
Short answer is no, the German air force could not get 4 fighters up for a nato exercise, and the same lady who ran the show, is now in charge of the eu.