Know EastWest Opus Orchestra - Really Well (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:08 Folders
1:49 Instrument names?
3:20 MOD wheel?
6:11 18 Violins
13:19 Ensemble
15:58 Play/Opus instrument structure
17:24 Memory usage
18:35 Play/Opus sound comparison
20:41 New Legatos?
21:31 Solo Strings
25:26 Harp
26:03 Percussion
26:33 Winds
31:37 Brass
36:26 Should you upgrade?
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Great video series Thanks!
I’m guessing this is why John Powell has every orchestral library out there for his demo tracks. John Powell’s demo videos are absolutely nuts nuts nuts.
I have to check it out. Cheers!
These are great videos. TY
Wow! I didnt think i would hear the difference in the clarinets between play and opus when you where switching but its definitely a difference! Very interesting.
Yes, it is
Wonderful content. Absolutely subscribed!
Cheers!
Once again, another wonderful analysis of the new library and and comparison to the Play engine. Thank you for these, good sir!
My pleasure!
Really interesting to see and hear the comparisons - the video is very well done! Consider raising the volume from Cubase a bit to make it possible to listen on loud volume without the speech being too loud :)
Your first two videos are extremely well done (I haven’t seen the third one yet but expect more of the same quality). Very clear, honest, good use of examples, and you kept things interesting all the way through. With the East West sale this week upgrade is pretty much a no brainer as all of the things that bugged me sonically and in the workflow of Hollywood Orchestra have been addressed here. Thanks!
Thank you. Great that it interesting. Longer videos can be tricky in that way. Cheers!
Thank you for a very detailed review and your personal opinion on this lib, strings sounds soo good
Thank you. I'm happy it is helpful
Indeed, another fantastic review. So helpful to see a comparison between a Play engine and Opus engine. Great idea!!! Thank you so much!
Glad you liked it. Cheers!
Great comparison of the engines. Also a lot of interesting insights in the video series.
Thank you for your feedback. I'm glad it is useful
Great work thank you.
Another wonderful tutorial! I'm almost done with my first detailed orchestral project, Barber's First Essay, with EWHO Diamond. You're so right about the legato in Play. It's a trick to make some of them work. I've just crossgraded to Opus and the way you're teaching this is perfect for someone with Play experience.
Great. Makes me happy to hear. 😊
Thabk you for this, its very informative ❤
Thank you too.
I will dive in into this video because just bought the subscription and got so confused about the naming in there. This was really a godsend
Great! That was the idea. I have also done some videos on the individual libraries in the Hollywood series. Check those out too. They are from the Play engine, but pretty much work the same.
Thank you so much for such a detailed information about OPUS in this series. I bought Spitfire BBCSO PRO and Orchestra OPUS almost at the same time in a blackfriday deal (I already had BBCSO Core and Hollywood Orchestra Gold). And you know, Hollywood Opus was kind of abandoned. After watching your videos I reinstalled it entirely and added it to my template.
Thank you. Yep, it still has is uses for sure
Fantastic video, man. Think you so much for your explanations.
De nada. Cómo va la escuela? 🙂
@@SecondTierSound Bien, gracias. Intentando salir del lío en el que nos ha metido a todos la pandemia. Veo que hablas español, ¿podríamos hablar sobre alguna MAsterclass?
Claro. Qué necesitas?
@@SecondTierSound Te escribo por otra vía ¿ok?
@ vale
Thanks a lot!
Thanks for watching!
Even 'though it's Opus' day, sometimes I like to go Bach to Play.
For around 200 a year it is a pretty damn good idea to have it. I just downloaded the whole entire database of sounds which does come out to over 2TB. None of my synths whether they are vst or hardware even come close to the quality and realism of acoustic sounds. The synths I own that have acoustic capabilities are the Roland Jupiter 80, and the Roland Fantom (2019). I understand that this all sample based, but I now have a library of so many premium sounds that none of my hardware synths will ever be able to handle. For such a great price to pay and use it for a whole year.
If you indeed use it all is not a bad deal.
I like this review and if I hadn’t bought it a week ago I would do it now.
I watched also your older videos on Hollywood Strings and I learned something. But there is something you didn’t mentioned in detail … Divisi Instruments (Violins, Celli, Basses). How to use them properly? My understanding of “Divisi” is, that the instrument is split to two parts and so reduce polyphony (8 Violins become 2 x 4 Violins) but the EW Divisi instruments have only closed mics… so how do I use them? There seems to be something I’m missing.
ps. This is my first Orchestra Library and I still have to learn a lot
Thank you, maybe i should have mentioned divisi again. I just figured other videos i have created have covered that, but one night hot have seen those. Cheers!
20:27 preload effects is ignored when changing moods. It turns the reverb back on! That is an overlooked behaviour bug.
Very well done with this series. My question is. I really miss the sustain peddle control. Why did they omit this control?
I guess you talk about the orchestrator? Yes, that is a good question. I don't know why. It might be possible to fix in the engine, because it is very flexible. I might look into this.
Both part 1 and part 2 were brilliant tutorals!
Thank you. Have you seen the third?
about the trombone legato i thought the libraries work like complementary ? When i download the opus edition it starts automatically to download the old version . And i see a legato in the play version. I am not sure how this sync of old and new works.
Thx for the tutorial and review, really good. I need someone who tests for me and bring all together in a synthesis, otherwise i begin a new piece for every new sound i play ....
I had before an issue finding the basic sounds quickly and load all quickly so this is why i loved the Goliath orchestra haha
Yes, Hollywood is a bit more complex🙂
Surprised that no one has commented yet - the difference in the volume of your voice versus some of the patches is "quite a bit different" in some instances - I find myself constantly reaching for the volume knob......otherwise a good view
That might be true, some patches are white low in volume. I'll check that for the next review.
Thank you so much for this!!!! Just got it and need some help. What's your midi controller? I have a Motif ES8, I can't make the wheels dynamics work.
If the sound had vibrato control, you control the volume with the expression, which is cc11. The modwheel then controls the vibrato, do you don't hear any difference in volume even you move this control. This can be changed in the play tab. Change expression to 1 instead of 11.
WOW... THX. ONE QUESTION: HOW DO I USE EAST WEST LIBRARIES WITH VIENNA ENSAMBLE SERVER USING ANOTHER PC? it's possible?
Yes, it is. You have to use the standalone software on the other PC.
Please helm me how to play from midi SELECTED CHARACTER? IF I select RA play RA From midi Keyboard, IF I Select Piano Play Piano From Midi Keyboard, Please Help me
It's amazing how much better these instruments sound with the extra mic positions. I only have close mic and main, and it sounds totally different to what I'm hearing here.
You can still do que a bit with those two. Reverb and sordino also matter. Cheers
are the shorts, spiccatos etc. also the same samples?
It is the same library pretty much, with some new violins. All the same articulations, but also simplified and a little easier to work with
Thanks for the video. I feel vindicated by not upgrading.
I bought the whole Diamond years ago only to learn than someone who owns even ONE section of the GOLD version get's the same Opus upgrade deal that I do. So on principle, EW can suck it. I may never buy anything from them again if that's how they treat OG customers who invested more.
The Diamond is still great. No need to upgrade really if you're happy with the library.
5:30 how do we know which instruments are new and which are the same as from PLAY?
It is pretty much the same thing, with an updated engine. The 18 violins, and the "3 player" patches are new though.
@@SecondTierSound Thankyou
Im new to this, what is Play?
The engine used by eastwest before opus. It's quite similar, but not available anymore
When you play the 2 trombones exp -> 2 tb sus max, what you hear are 6 trombones, not 2. This is because you play three notes (each having 2 trombones audible). That sounds quite different, than actual 2 bones
Yes, obviously🙂
@@SecondTierSound yes, i said "you", but my post was geared towards others watching the video, and to give them information on how samples work. I see many play chords with a multi instrument patch, often people (not you) think that what they hear are then 3 or 4 instruments together, but they forget it's way more. (especially with strings, it can grow to a humongous number of players audible, e.g. 16 first violin one players patch.. x3 = 48 players just for first violins, do a 4 note chords and its bigger even)
Gotcha. 🙂
Cheers!
Honestly it is not completely true. Recorded sounds does not work as in real life. If you make 7 notes chord with solo violin it wont sound as ensemble playing. Same for something like solo horn. Or trombone.
I wish someone would confirm their website address.
Who's address? East west?
@@SecondTierSound yes please. You've downloaded their plugins. Can you please add the link to their website to your comments or maybe pin it to the comments? I want to make sure I go to the right website and not a scammer website. (Edit: Thank you!)
Don't you worry. If you search for soundsonline or Eastwest it will be the right one, I promise
OPUS is a disaster. It was a waste of money, was better staying with Play.
I'm sorry you have that experience. Every computer and DAW had their issues. Opus is not without faults but it definitely works better than play. Personally I have no real problem with it, but I do find the orchestrator unstable att times. Otherwise it is faster then play, has useful tools that make it easier to work with, and sounds better with less artifacts.
I also think that one can still use play and get the same results out of the libraries, discounting the benefits of the upgrade.
I believe the Penderecki technique is col legno battuto, banging the strings with the wood of the bow.
Thank you for clarifying. That makes a lot of sense to me, it sounds like that at least. Cheers!