One of the best explanation on varna and Jathi. Wonderful understanding Kudos to the Sangam Talks team to bring such informative and educational session. The description part of the video gives links to articles as well and that is very good.
Thank you for the nice conversation, I enjoyed the previous ones about the Devatas' too. Some things about Karna and Eklavya got cleared. Awaiting for the next part. 👍 Thanks Sangam talks once again.
44:31 u put a stamp of varna n say ds happens bcz of varna.. Karna ( sut putra ) part was smthing new to me...HUMAN DYNAMICS...shankara sir changed my perspective.
You all are forget the FACT that THUMB has no use in ancient Indian archery ... To be precise THUMB is never used by any archers who carry ARROW on their BACK and standard size of bow is 7 feet... You can't pull the string of 7 feet bow using INDEX and THUMB finger ... instead all the fingers except THUMB is used.... Even in morden day ARCHERY SPORTS nobody use their THUMB to pull the string of bow
I have a question, something which has confused me so much!! Why are Congressi against Hindu despite many themselves Hindu? People like DVS also do Narmada Yatra, with blessings of a Shankaracharya... That too on foot.. But are first ones to appease the fringe M And spit at Hindus... Or Gandhi who wanted Hindus to introspect on themselves in Moplah but was happy abouts M's and ready for a Kaliph and praising the guy who justify their brutality. But said Ram Ram all the time Very Confused. How can a devout (not just by name)Hindu but soo against Hindus? Because I have 2 such work colleagues.... It baffles me. They were about to weep on abrogation of 370 but are completely silent on Bengal!!! They read Hanuman chalisa, do Puja and often times know more about rituals than me!! Please explain this paradox in some video!! I have read that even many communist supporters are Devi worshippers, especially of older generations!!! I beleive many people couldn't understand Gandhi because of this confusion and hence were following him. It is so confusing and baffling because can't put them in any set bracket or label!!
There are confused Hindus in all political parties not just Congress. Sadly Politicians organise by vote catcher stance not by truth or untruth or just or unjust.
@@ratneshshrivastava6444 That doesn't explain it. People who are very well aware of history and Islam but are Hindu... Is the confusion... Despite of everything they despise Hinduism. Gandhi and Nehru and Mamta are such examples. But besides politics even their supporters in real life have same mentality and I don't understand why. Till now I thought they are unaware like I once was....but that is not the case. It's something much more deep which I can't understand. My purvapaksha is not complete without understanding this. I understand M and Chrtian hate idol worship, commie are against any God/ religion, Sikhs have gone the Jews way of polytheism to monotheism and are not recognising their own granth.... But what about this congressmen? What's going on? I have zero understanding.
@@ratneshshrivastava6444 thanks for the reply but I'm unable to put across my point properly. See I'm a unpaid, unrelated to RSS Hindu... Who stands up for my identity. I have colleagues who are same but support congress despite of being Hindu. And they earn enough to not get favors from Congress. They literally glorify muslims and Christians but hate on Hinduism, despite of being weekly temple goers and knowing the hate of Abrahamics for Hindus. My question is about the ideology... Most politicians are a result of this ideology... But what is this ideology which a Hindu has and even in light of evidence continues to remain unchanged. It's much deeper it seems. It's like I can support a few stupidity of BJP because of Hindu identity... But what is making them support their own enemies??? Had it been money I understand but it's something else which I can't grasp.
@@pulz1191 Those who want to enjoy the priviledge of a higher caste label have distributed themseles in all parties just to be in power seat as the are power hungry by nature. They have the reservation system bogey to put a stranglehold on caste. The reserved categories are practically jailed n the bogey carrot of reservation. Savarkar wanted to eliminate caste but on congress side they label him terrorist and on BJP side they show adulation and create confusion and mayhem to enable the muslims and the caste lobby in congress to blame BJP. There are regional omlities and tey play Shatranj well to be on top of others. A few minority of these guys actually rue us like the Britishers ruled us, They learnt how to do this fro the British.
Anything forced will not yield result. As a society we need to understand that caste based discrimination is dividing us. Its giving others chance to take advantage of the vulnerabilities of our people.
@@aryamasingh3676 horse rap…would you like to be forced to marry intercaste and be Sanatani or would you like to be forced to convert to Pisslam or xtianity? Choice is yours. If we do not get united now, in next 20 years, we will be ‘forced’ like Kashmiri Pandit’s!!
If brahmins can play with upper caste mind . Make them their slaves . They can play with sudras easily. My question is what was the strategy they used to conquer whole of india . We know how buddisim,christianity or islam spread. But we dont know how brahmin religion spread in india . After all it started in one tribe somewhere and went all the way to whole of india and some groups outside also..Big big question??
Good at an intellectual level, for today all this is not relevant ,here is why: birth dies not entitle any one for any thing ,that is how it should be, but it is not . For ag why sahild a vedapatashala admit only kids from a Brahmin family , why not open it for all kids ,thta is where the problem is . Let is do this and we would have made great progress.
Very Sorry Nothing in the tallk makes straightforward sense and seems to be apologetic.Basic character of man is determined by natural law ie Sanatan Dharma The character includes spiritual learning ie attempt to know the absolute truth which is at infinite distance from us ie we still are like blind men trying to know and Brahmin is one who is engaged in this journey to the elephant and the better Brahmin gets to be the one who touches the elephant. It has nothing to do with birth and anybody from any Jati including ceremonial pandits or the untouchable Jaatis and anyone from any Jati can show up this character in him or trait and go on this spiritual path You are not a Brahmin you become a Brahmin and all rishis irrespective of their parentage attained brahminhood The speaker would make Swami Vivekanand and Rishis fakes because they were not born in a Brahmin family as he is misguided on birth - he speaks something different ie tamas is shudra and Sattva is brahmin in self annointed praise but the summary above to the talk writes different "In the process of spiritual evolution birth or caste plays no role". I am sorry this theory of Varna is delusional. As to Kshatriyata it is a trait to fight back when another attacks you using evil animal instincts like Ram killing Bali or Raavan. Birth has nothing to do with it. Moral duty or dharma has the role here not dharma. The speaker would make Chandragupta Maurya the greatest of emperors from Indic faith necessarily be born to Kshatriya parents but he was not born ksaritrya but acquired the trait by training with his Guru Chanakya. Further Vaishya is a practical trait and signifies material growth to be in a resurceful position to do good karma. Shudra signifies the learning of the art, craft and technology involved in doing practical works and it is not tamas as the speaker attributes misguidedly and ignorantly. Every baby is born with a clean slate because the bad karma in prevous birth is accounted fr b Chitragupta and punishment met out by Yamaraj. God is not so unjust that he will punish a second time by making that person an insect. Every chld born in any Jati is odand pure and can work to retain that quality if properly guided by rght environment. In modern times anyway this Varna classification does not hold and a person must have and develop all these traits from Brahmin to shudra. Particularly a Hindu today has to be a Kshatriya mainly and a man of learning ie Brahmin; to the extent of being practical in securing himself by Kshatriyata, growth ie Vaishya and learning of arts craft and technology in atleast a specialisation area to earn resources. Jati is not a religious concept but means community and anyone from any Jati can train all these traits given to him. Varna in those times was directing one to a specialisation but all kings and soldiers in Mahabharat engaged in what they believed was Kshatriyata, some misguided Kshatriyas from kaurav side and some with guidance of Krishna. Now if Talibaan is inside India every Indian will need to be Kshatriya , birth will have nothing to do with the fight back So please learn the basic science in Hindu dharma and dont be PADHA PADHA KE PADHA LIKH LIKH KE LIKHA GURU Ji NE POOCHI TO SOLA DOONI AATH
So benglore based software engineer knows better......... It is you who exploit dharmic scriptures for petty purposes , why lie for trying to save your ancestor , a thousands of documents,recorded historic events not just in pre and post independence,proves many things ........ Ask your grandpa the truth and try to understand him first......
One of the best explanation on varna and Jathi. Wonderful understanding Kudos to the Sangam Talks team to bring such informative and educational session.
The description part of the video gives links to articles as well and that is very good.
Thank you for the nice conversation, I enjoyed the previous ones about the Devatas' too. Some things about Karna and Eklavya got cleared. Awaiting for the next part. 👍
Thanks Sangam talks once again.
Excellent talk. New insights into characters of Karna and Eklavya.
Mind opening discourse indeed.
Excellent discussions and thank you
Thank you. I was waiting for this.
44:31 u put a stamp of varna n say ds happens bcz of varna..
Karna ( sut putra ) part was smthing new to me...HUMAN DYNAMICS...shankara sir changed my perspective.
Pls give subtitles to Future videos.
You all are forget the FACT that THUMB has no use in ancient Indian archery ... To be precise THUMB is never used by any archers who carry ARROW on their BACK and standard size of bow is 7 feet...
You can't pull the string of 7 feet bow using INDEX and THUMB finger ... instead all the fingers except THUMB is used....
Even in morden day ARCHERY SPORTS nobody use their THUMB to pull the string of bow
Can I have the time of the premiere
August 22, Time : 7 PM
I have a question, something which has confused me so much!!
Why are Congressi against Hindu despite many themselves Hindu?
People like DVS also do Narmada Yatra, with blessings of a Shankaracharya... That too on foot..
But are first ones to appease the fringe M
And spit at Hindus...
Or Gandhi who wanted Hindus to introspect on themselves in Moplah but was happy abouts M's and ready for a Kaliph and praising the guy who justify their brutality.
But said Ram Ram all the time
Very Confused. How can a devout (not just by name)Hindu but soo against Hindus? Because I have 2 such work colleagues.... It baffles me. They were about to weep on abrogation of 370 but are completely silent on Bengal!!! They read Hanuman chalisa, do Puja and often times know more about rituals than me!! Please explain this paradox in some video!!
I have read that even many communist supporters are Devi worshippers, especially of older generations!!! I beleive many people couldn't understand Gandhi because of this confusion and hence were following him. It is so confusing and baffling because can't put them in any set bracket or label!!
There are confused Hindus in all political parties not just Congress. Sadly Politicians organise by vote catcher stance not by truth or untruth or just or unjust.
@@ratneshshrivastava6444 That doesn't explain it. People who are very well aware of history and Islam but are Hindu... Is the confusion... Despite of everything they despise Hinduism. Gandhi and Nehru and Mamta are such examples. But besides politics even their supporters in real life have same mentality and I don't understand why. Till now I thought they are unaware like I once was....but that is not the case. It's something much more deep which I can't understand. My purvapaksha is not complete without understanding this. I understand M and Chrtian hate idol worship, commie are against any God/ religion, Sikhs have gone the Jews way of polytheism to monotheism and are not recognising their own granth.... But what about this congressmen? What's going on? I have zero understanding.
@@ratneshshrivastava6444 thanks for the reply but I'm unable to put across my point properly. See I'm a unpaid, unrelated to RSS Hindu... Who stands up for my identity. I have colleagues who are same but support congress despite of being Hindu. And they earn enough to not get favors from Congress. They literally glorify muslims and Christians but hate on Hinduism, despite of being weekly temple goers and knowing the hate of Abrahamics for Hindus. My question is about the ideology... Most politicians are a result of this ideology... But what is this ideology which a Hindu has and even in light of evidence continues to remain unchanged. It's much deeper it seems.
It's like I can support a few stupidity of BJP because of Hindu identity... But what is making them support their own enemies??? Had it been money I understand but it's something else which I can't grasp.
@@pulz1191 Those who want to enjoy the priviledge of a higher caste label have distributed themseles in all parties just to be in power seat as the are power hungry by nature. They have the reservation system bogey to put a stranglehold on caste. The reserved categories are practically jailed n the bogey carrot of reservation. Savarkar wanted to eliminate caste but on congress side they label him terrorist and on BJP side they show adulation and create confusion and mayhem to enable the muslims and the caste lobby in congress to blame BJP. There are regional omlities and tey play Shatranj well to be on top of others. A few minority of these guys actually rue us like the Britishers ruled us, They learnt how to do this fro the British.
May I have the time of the Dialogue on the 22nd.?
Energy needed in talk,
How was karna a born kshatriya..? Isn't that advocating birth based varna..?
Forced intercaste marriages is only solution to end this.
Anything else won't even be able to dent this discriminatory system.
Anything forced will not yield result. As a society we need to understand that caste based discrimination is dividing us. Its giving others chance to take advantage of the vulnerabilities of our people.
@@aryamasingh3676 horse rap…would you like to be forced to marry intercaste and be Sanatani or would you like to be forced to convert to Pisslam or xtianity?
Choice is yours. If we do not get united now, in next 20 years, we will be ‘forced’ like Kashmiri Pandit’s!!
If brahmins can play with upper caste mind . Make them their slaves . They can play with sudras easily. My question is what was the strategy they used to conquer whole of india . We know how buddisim,christianity or islam spread. But we dont know how brahmin religion spread in india . After all it started in one tribe somewhere and went all the way to whole of india and some groups outside also..Big big question??
Nàmskar sir ji aap ko
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Good at an intellectual level, for today all this is not relevant ,here is why: birth dies not entitle any one for any thing ,that is how it should be, but it is not . For ag why sahild a vedapatashala admit only kids from a Brahmin family , why not open it for all kids ,thta is where the problem is . Let is do this and we would have made great progress.
Please?
Rishis do not interact with societies
Absoutely
Very Sorry Nothing in the tallk makes straightforward sense and seems to be apologetic.Basic character of man is determined by natural law ie Sanatan Dharma The character includes spiritual learning ie attempt to know the absolute truth which is at infinite distance from us ie we still are like blind men trying to know and Brahmin is one who is engaged in this journey to the elephant and the better Brahmin gets to be the one who touches the elephant. It has nothing to do with birth and anybody from any Jati including ceremonial pandits or the untouchable Jaatis and anyone from any Jati can show up this character in him or trait and go on this spiritual path You are not a Brahmin you become a Brahmin and all rishis irrespective of their parentage attained brahminhood The speaker would make Swami Vivekanand and Rishis fakes because they were not born in a Brahmin family as he is misguided on birth - he speaks something different ie tamas is shudra and Sattva is brahmin in self annointed praise but the summary above to the talk writes different "In the process of spiritual evolution birth or caste plays no role". I am sorry this theory of Varna is delusional. As to Kshatriyata it is a trait to fight back when another attacks you using evil animal instincts like Ram killing Bali or Raavan. Birth has nothing to do with it. Moral duty or dharma has the role here not dharma. The speaker would make Chandragupta Maurya the greatest of emperors from Indic faith necessarily be born to Kshatriya parents but he was not born ksaritrya but acquired the trait by training with his Guru Chanakya. Further Vaishya is a practical trait and signifies material growth to be in a resurceful position to do good karma. Shudra signifies the learning of the art, craft and technology involved in doing practical works and it is not tamas as the speaker attributes misguidedly and ignorantly. Every baby is born with a clean slate because the bad karma in prevous birth is accounted fr b Chitragupta and punishment met out by Yamaraj. God is not so unjust that he will punish a second time by making that person an insect. Every chld born in any Jati is odand pure and can work to retain that quality if properly guided by rght environment.
In modern times anyway this Varna classification does not hold and a person must have and develop all these traits from Brahmin to shudra. Particularly a Hindu today has to be a Kshatriya mainly and a man of learning ie Brahmin; to the extent of being practical in securing himself by Kshatriyata, growth ie Vaishya and learning of arts craft and technology in atleast a specialisation area to earn resources. Jati is not a religious concept but means community and anyone from any Jati can train all these traits given to him. Varna in those times was directing one to a specialisation but all kings and soldiers in Mahabharat engaged in what they believed was Kshatriyata, some misguided Kshatriyas from kaurav side and some with guidance of Krishna. Now if Talibaan is inside India every Indian will need to be Kshatriya , birth will have nothing to do with the fight back So please learn the basic science in Hindu dharma and dont be PADHA PADHA KE PADHA LIKH LIKH KE LIKHA GURU Ji NE POOCHI TO SOLA DOONI AATH
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So benglore based software engineer knows better......... It is you who exploit dharmic scriptures for petty purposes , why lie for trying to save your ancestor , a thousands of documents,recorded historic events not just in pre and post independence,proves many things ........ Ask your grandpa the truth and try to understand him first......