Those Narex chisels cost at most 10€ here in Slovakia, also there exists the Richter line of Narex chisel which are they'r more premium variant which are much nicer for about twice the price.
Great video, I definitely subscribed. Though, I'm pretty sure the straight part of the chisel is there on purpose because for most people most of the time its useful having a straight edge. Of course its in the way of dovetailing, but that is a very specific type of work, that requires a specific tool.
Beautiful work as always Eloise, it shows that good tools can be bad to use because of one or two poor design features and that cheap tools aren't bad tools, you just need to be prepared to put a little more work (or a lot as you usually do) into bringing the tool up to a higher standard.
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Sure does! Tools, expensive or cheap, can be a bit of a hit and miss as far as quality and usability is concerned. Which is an exciting gamble on cheap tools and a deceiving one on expensive tools
I enjoy your sense of humor. This video inspires me to take my set of Marples with the butt-ugly plastic handles and redo them. Same issue with the flats on the sides and I HATE plastic handles on woodworking hand tools. I like the idea of placing a flat on the handle and notices that the placement made a heart appearance.
Ou you are actually the first person I have heard hold that opinion! I all the woodworkers I know hate the handles. Is there anything you like about them specifically?
@ I have a few and even though I don't like their ergonomy as much, I like how they look, I like the darker handle and that it has a shape that helps me to feel what angle it is on. Also the metal ring on the back kind of gives that japanese chisel look to them, even though it could be way prettier, I agree. I haven't met woodworkers here that would hate it either! However, it is too bulky and I feel what you did to the side bevels really was a great improvement! I'm glad you have them how you like them now.
@ Like "How long is a piece of string?" or "how deep is a hole?" or "What's beyond space?" But the one that keeps me awake at night is "Is the hokey pokey what it's all about?"
those handles look very nice. I like the flat spot to keep them from rolling off the bench/table. new clothes (especially shirts) often come with spare buttons. I usually throw them in the sewing box, but maybe some people leave them in a pocket?
Great video... I’m not a fan of a flat side on handles - I wonder if you could bore a hole (or a slot) and fill it with with a brass insert so it is weighted to not to roll off a bench? Would also be a beautiful place for your initials. Side note: no matter where we were, my parents always picked up found buttons ... they where children of the Great Depression and the frugalness followed them into adulthood. Mom would sew most of our clothes ... often with re-purposed cloth and mismatched found buttons. So.. their pockets often had found buttons and coins
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I don't think it would be just as effective but it would probably be a significant improvement over not having anything. It would need to be tested! Thanks for that response on the buttons. Totally makes sense; one less question floating around in my head aha
1. Excellent graphic on blade cross section vs work cross section 2. What belt are U using on the grinder?
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Thank you! Its a 120 grit aluminum oxide. Nothing special. I find on the belt grinder they don't last long though. I'm not sure if the rpm is too high or if I should look at more expensive belts designed for grinding metal? But even on wood they don't last long so I'm thinking its the rpm/fps
I really appreciate this video. I, too, have some Narex chisels. Mine are a set of mortise chisels, which work quite well. But the handles. OMG, the handles. UGLY!!! UNCOMFORTABLE! I have been considering building new handles for these chisels and I think you might have convinced me to do so. Thanks!! 👍👍
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I have one of their mortise chisels too, the handles are even bigger than their bench chisels! In the end with the method of routing the square pockets, it was a pretty easy job. I'd recommend it for sure!
You mentioned you don't like the steel of the Veritas chisel. Is it their pmv11 or something else? Curious to hear your thoughts on why you don't like it.
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The Veritas chisel's A2 steel (the one on the video) is in no way unacceptable or horrible, and I love the rest of the chisel. It's okay and I use their A2 steel for handplane blades or other tools. My issue with the steel is that it's on a chisel worth 100$. Aka, 4x more than the narex and twice that of the Swiss made chisels. As such, my expectations for the steel are above just being "good enough" or "fine", I would expect some premium steel that holds up better than a cheaper chisel. But in reality, their steel is only marginally better than the 18$ narex chisels. Chisels are put through a task most other workshop blades are not. With a chisel, the user will switch from hammer blows to softly pushed fine shaving. This means the steel on a chisel will make a world of difference. If the steel roles over just a bit on the hammer blows, the chisel won't take fine shavings when you push it by hand after. Now when it comes to PM-v11, I avoid the steel like the plegue. It breaks in chunks on handplane blades. So on hardwoods, after 45 seconds of rough use, the blade is already leaving deep marks. Then it just keeps breaking down and dulls quickly. I also find it harder to sharpen; you really need to go through all the grits and take good care to never miss a stroke. And that's without mentioning its high rate of faulty blades that break in half or in large chunks... I had a few pm-v11 blades and I sold or gave them away. I now avoid it at all costs. The interesting part is after talking about this with woodworkers, It appears no one can really say its better than other steels, they mostly say they buy it because its supposed to be better so why go for a cheaper option? There's a chance the 3 blades I used were all faulty but as far as I can tell, pm-v11 is a less than legit product. Definitely the biggest week point of a company which also sells some nice products, in my opinion
@ Whenever I have to both chop and pare with a chisel I always use two chisels. The one I chop with I don't use for paring and the one I pare with I don't use for chopping. There's no rule that says you must use only one chisel.
Great looking chisels, and great video. A while back I started grinding off the side flats on an old chisel I bought used, but it was taking too long on my diamond plate. I see now that I need one of those belt sanders you built. My next project 😉
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Oof yeah that would be long! A belt grinder is a must in any workshop in ny opinion. It so handy for forming any type of blade
I agree, the narex handles are not the nicest. They do have better handled ones, the premium line, but they're not available in Canada. I like Narex cause I beat the fuck out of my chisels, so cheap but easy repairability and sharpenability are nice for me. I've always wanted to turn new handles, but I don't have a lathe, so I'm in the middle of chopping & sanding all my classic narex handles into butt chisels. Also these come in wider sizes (1-1/4", 1-1/2" & 2") so having a set up to 2" as my everyday beater butt chisels is more fun. Inspirational work!
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I like narex for the same reason as you. They are cheap so you don't have to be scared of beating on them. You can also make a diy lathe from some plywood, a few bearings and a drink or bench grinder. It's what I did for my first file handles and it worked pretty well
This model of Narex chisels are NOT intended for fine woodworking the same way as a lathe gouge is not intended for carving. I don't see the point here.
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Their fine woodwoking chisels are 3 times the price and still have large flat spots. I also already owned these and didn't want to buy new tools :)
I've been looking at new handles for chisels for a while now. I think this is the inspiration I need. Thank you for that. Good call on the reshaping of the Narex bevels. I can't understand why the bevel and a wide flat. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Glad I could motivate you! I'm not totally sure why they have that flat. Prerhaps a mix of saving costs and because for rougher work it helps guide the chisel?
Flat right angle sides on wood chisels are more for mortising and just get in the way for dovetails. Each has an advantage depending on what you're working on or need them for.
@@AlAllerton These Narex chisels don't have large flat right angle sides, so it isn't because they're designed for mortising. They have a very small vertical section.
The buttons fell off my shirt. But no more! Now I have overalls.
This was a very enlightening video. Thank you.
Loved everything about this.
Those Narex chisels cost at most 10€ here in Slovakia, also there exists the Richter line of Narex chisel which are they'r more premium variant which are much nicer for about twice the price.
Great video, I definitely subscribed.
Though, I'm pretty sure the straight part of the chisel is there on purpose because for most people most of the time its useful having a straight edge. Of course its in the way of dovetailing, but that is a very specific type of work, that requires a specific tool.
The fact that you don't have more subscribers is a tragedy. Keep it up!
Love the music
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Beautiful work as always Eloise, it shows that good tools can be bad to use because of one or two poor design features and that cheap tools aren't bad tools, you just need to be prepared to put a little more work (or a lot as you usually do) into bringing the tool up to a higher standard.
Sure does! Tools, expensive or cheap, can be a bit of a hit and miss as far as quality and usability is concerned. Which is an exciting gamble on cheap tools and a deceiving one on expensive tools
Why didn't you recreate the Pfeil handles? Also, what handle do you love the most for chisels?
I enjoy your sense of humor. This video inspires me to take my set of Marples with the butt-ugly plastic handles and redo them. Same issue with the flats on the sides and I HATE plastic handles on woodworking hand tools. I like the idea of placing a flat on the handle and notices that the placement made a heart appearance.
Very nice looking chisels, bravo!
The buttons come from when they fall off my sleeve or shirt. If I notice it falls -> pocket -> coins drawer -> pocket. Was I supposed to answer that?
Yes you were, thank you!
Good job!
:D the narex handles look the best to me
Ou you are actually the first person I have heard hold that opinion! I all the woodworkers I know hate the handles. Is there anything you like about them specifically?
@ I have a few and even though I don't like their ergonomy as much, I like how they look, I like the darker handle and that it has a shape that helps me to feel what angle it is on. Also the metal ring on the back kind of gives that japanese chisel look to them, even though it could be way prettier, I agree.
I haven't met woodworkers here that would hate it either! However, it is too bulky and I feel what you did to the side bevels really was a great improvement! I'm glad you have them how you like them now.
Nice idea with the lathe arbor!
It was a sudden idea on the spot, saved lots of time and effort though!
I've wondered the same thing about buttons. Even more so, why are they found when actually not missing?
Nice work on the chisels.
So many quetions and no answers 🤨
@ Like "How long is a piece of string?" or "how deep is a hole?" or "What's beyond space?"
But the one that keeps me awake at night is "Is the hokey pokey what it's all about?"
you did a great job on those chisels thanks for sharing
Awesome.
I never thought of altering the shape of the blade before. That blew my mind on the possibilities. Great job Btw
those handles look very nice. I like the flat spot to keep them from rolling off the bench/table.
new clothes (especially shirts) often come with spare buttons. I usually throw them in the sewing box, but maybe some people leave them in a pocket?
Great video... I’m not a fan of a flat side on handles - I wonder if you could bore a hole (or a slot) and fill it with with a brass insert so it is weighted to not to roll off a bench? Would also be a beautiful place for your initials.
Side note: no matter where we were, my parents always picked up found buttons ... they where children of the Great Depression and the frugalness followed them into adulthood. Mom would sew most of our clothes ... often with re-purposed cloth and mismatched found buttons.
So.. their pockets often had found buttons and coins
I don't think it would be just as effective but it would probably be a significant improvement over not having anything. It would need to be tested!
Thanks for that response on the buttons. Totally makes sense; one less question floating around in my head aha
Hi Eloise, wonderful work and very inspiring but also - your videos are just a pleasure to watch and to listen to, I do enjoy the music!
1. Excellent graphic on blade cross section vs work cross section
2. What belt are U using on the grinder?
Thank you! Its a 120 grit aluminum oxide. Nothing special. I find on the belt grinder they don't last long though. I'm not sure if the rpm is too high or if I should look at more expensive belts designed for grinding metal? But even on wood they don't last long so I'm thinking its the rpm/fps
I really appreciate this video. I, too, have some Narex chisels. Mine are a set of mortise chisels, which work quite well. But the handles. OMG, the handles. UGLY!!! UNCOMFORTABLE!
I have been considering building new handles for these chisels and I think you might have convinced me to do so. Thanks!! 👍👍
I have one of their mortise chisels too, the handles are even bigger than their bench chisels! In the end with the method of routing the square pockets, it was a pretty easy job. I'd recommend it for sure!
Thanks for sending me the link, to this chisel review. You deserve many more subscribers keep up the great work!.
You mentioned you don't like the steel of the Veritas chisel. Is it their pmv11 or something else? Curious to hear your thoughts on why you don't like it.
The Veritas chisel's A2 steel (the one on the video) is in no way unacceptable or horrible, and I love the rest of the chisel. It's okay and I use their A2 steel for handplane blades or other tools. My issue with the steel is that it's on a chisel worth 100$. Aka, 4x more than the narex and twice that of the Swiss made chisels. As such, my expectations for the steel are above just being "good enough" or "fine", I would expect some premium steel that holds up better than a cheaper chisel. But in reality, their steel is only marginally better than the 18$ narex chisels.
Chisels are put through a task most other workshop blades are not. With a chisel, the user will switch from hammer blows to softly pushed fine shaving. This means the steel on a chisel will make a world of difference. If the steel roles over just a bit on the hammer blows, the chisel won't take fine shavings when you push it by hand after.
Now when it comes to PM-v11, I avoid the steel like the plegue. It breaks in chunks on handplane blades. So on hardwoods, after 45 seconds of rough use, the blade is already leaving deep marks. Then it just keeps breaking down and dulls quickly. I also find it harder to sharpen; you really need to go through all the grits and take good care to never miss a stroke. And that's without mentioning its high rate of faulty blades that break in half or in large chunks... I had a few pm-v11 blades and I sold or gave them away. I now avoid it at all costs. The interesting part is after talking about this with woodworkers, It appears no one can really say its better than other steels, they mostly say they buy it because its supposed to be better so why go for a cheaper option? There's a chance the 3 blades I used were all faulty but as far as I can tell, pm-v11 is a less than legit product. Definitely the biggest week point of a company which also sells some nice products, in my opinion
@ Whenever I have to both chop and pare with a chisel I always use two chisels. The one I chop with I don't use for paring and the one I pare with I don't use for chopping. There's no rule that says you must use only one chisel.
The project was good but dang I love your choice of background music 😻
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great looking chisels, and great video. A while back I started grinding off the side flats on an old chisel I bought used, but it was taking too long on my diamond plate. I see now that I need one of those belt sanders you built. My next project 😉
Oof yeah that would be long! A belt grinder is a must in any workshop in ny opinion. It so handy for forming any type of blade
I agree, the narex handles are not the nicest. They do have better handled ones, the premium line, but they're not available in Canada. I like Narex cause I beat the fuck out of my chisels, so cheap but easy repairability and sharpenability are nice for me.
I've always wanted to turn new handles, but I don't have a lathe, so I'm in the middle of chopping & sanding all my classic narex handles into butt chisels. Also these come in wider sizes (1-1/4", 1-1/2" & 2") so having a set up to 2" as my everyday beater butt chisels is more fun.
Inspirational work!
I like narex for the same reason as you. They are cheap so you don't have to be scared of beating on them. You can also make a diy lathe from some plywood, a few bearings and a drink or bench grinder. It's what I did for my first file handles and it worked pretty well
loving the music , where can i find it? P.S missing your videos, at the watching repeat stage,
Always had the same thought about pocket contents in movies
The music didn't add anything to the video in my opinion...
Music was played we could 'get a handle' on ourselves(!)😂
This model of Narex chisels are NOT intended for fine woodworking the same way as a lathe gouge is not intended for carving. I don't see the point here.
Their fine woodwoking chisels are 3 times the price and still have large flat spots. I also already owned these and didn't want to buy new tools :)
I've been looking at new handles for chisels for a while now. I think this is the inspiration I need. Thank you for that.
Good call on the reshaping of the Narex bevels. I can't understand why the bevel and a wide flat. Just doesn't make sense to me.
Glad I could motivate you! I'm not totally sure why they have that flat. Prerhaps a mix of saving costs and because for rougher work it helps guide the chisel?
Flat right angle sides on wood chisels are more for mortising and just get in the way for dovetails. Each has an advantage depending on what you're working on or need them for.
@@AlAllerton These Narex chisels don't have large flat right angle sides, so it isn't because they're designed for mortising. They have a very small vertical section.
They don't have a wide flat side.
Never find buttons or coins in my pockets