So learning from the comments the Photor seems to also has punch through, great to pair with void hole. A lot also mentioned that zekti apoc is good but I prefer the hitscan from Photor. However I will give it a chance and share my opinion again about it in the future.
@@kaplou9716 I don't have one myself, but looking at the stats it's clear that the Apoc is clearly king in raw damage, but it's also the shortest range (even shorter range than the cryophon!). If you have something to hold enemies in place (like void hole, or someone in Amesha using the slow, etc) then it probably is by far the best dps gun. If fighters are still moving around at full speed, though, that short range is going to be a pain to work around.
@@kedolan4992 The falloff damage isn't even noticable from my experience. The only thing that was affecting my TTK at Long ranges (like 4k meters+) was the travel time making me miss shots. But whenever a fighter flew a predictable path, the guns would tear em up regardless of the range.
@@kaplou9716 That really depends on the gun I guess. My brother has cryophons on his side turrets, and if a fighter is at anything past knife fighting range they do jack all damage. If the enemy is right up close though, it's a 1-2 shot kill, on most fighter types.
Really cool vid, I enjoyed it! Almost at the veil...been using the parts from the dojo so far, just cleared Saturn. Need those intrinsics still. Quick note, accretion sounds like a-KREE-shen. Thanks again man!
sorry for the late reply youtube not notifying me it seems, the parts for flight speed and boost is important i think i got some mk3s on my reactors and stuff that made mine faster
I'll give it a try today, a tactic i've adopted that seems to work for me is when the fighters go red I begin to back away, I don't weave but straight back, this also works better if you have gunners and makes it easier for them to target the fighters and a lot of the times it makes the fighters fly in a straight path in the front of you, plus it takes them out of range of the crew ships healing because they fly slower than the fighters.
if you turn around and fly away from the fighters they will end up coming from the back and fly straight infront too xD i used to shoot them like that lolz
Thanks for the info. I’m not sure if photor feels as good on console, but I shall farm one and try it. Railjack kinda reminds me of No Man’s Sky’s space combat, where beam weapons and close range shotguns are king.
ooo i never played that game before. I really hope you like the photor but so far based on the comments many are recommending apoc zekti too something u can try out as well
Yes I do, I did another test a little later in this same video where I attacked it without weakening and it only did like 3/4 of the damage not sure if u saw it
also you have to take into account the double dip bonus of photor dmg bonus. you get 30% of whole dmg on top of both elementals separately. so in the end 160%. what i think is the problem with photor is the hard aiming and hitting
i got 29.8 zetki photor mk3 and carcinox zetki mk3 59.8 but it seems that carcinox apply more status per sec in my testing and its way more quicker than photor for FA
Turning pilot doesn't turn the side turrets if people have gunner 2 perk. I've spent quite a bit of time on gunner turrets and can say that it really isn't an issue when a pilot is moving around a lot as generally, that means they're avoiding the pods too which means I can spend more time on the turrets and less cleaning out the ship.
Does the movement and boost effect you at all as the gunner and the gunners can get the pods too, since they like to curve around the sides. I don't play gunner as much as the pilot but I remember having a hard time when the pilot moving around a lot so correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
@@x3lplive I mean, the pilot drifting does effect aiming, but if the pilot is keeping distance from pods to give more of a chance to kill them before they board I think in the end, it's better if the pilot is moving. I think of it like, if I'm the pilot, I need time to aim too and as much time as I get to aim, the turrets do as well. So as long as the pilot doesn't just think they're supposed to keep drifting all over and avoiding everything, they should be fine. I guess it's up to your playstyle though. On gunner, I'm pretty good at working with whatever I get, as long as the gun is half-decent lol.
it is an ability that you hunt for when flying around, sometimes enemies will drop them Sadly i forgot the name because i haven't been on the railjack for a long time i think it is something Ramp. sorry if it is not very helpful
I haven't had to board a crewship in the veil in a while. fully leveled zekti fw artillery can one shot a cewship - but you need a dorsal or ventral shot. if you hit the engines your SOL.
@@x3lplive dorsal is the top of the ship. Central is the bottom. Avoid the engines at all costs. For me I think the best shot is right on the hatch on the back belly of the ship. The only softening we do typically, if at all, is to take out the engines, but we still 1 shot with no problem. We mostly run Gian Point. Maybe we're getting a buff from something else, but if we are it's consistent. Ran 5 - 6 missions on Gian in the last couple days and only had to take a second shot on maybe 2 crew ships, and those were admittedly sloppy shots.
@@x3lplive I got a 29.9% roll which I dismantled before the buffs went live. Before the buffs they were really bad so I thought they were just taking up inventory space and even a god roll was complete trash.
May I ask why do everyone call the mods " Rolls" as if you where rolling a riven for example " This is a God rolled riven" meaning I used kuva rolled the riven to get the precept. Which in this case it's whatever you pick up.
They call weapons "rolls" since they have random numbers . Zetki photor as an example, can get up to 30% damage buff . Its also can have 1 % only if your luck is bad
Hahahahaha I think the word roll came from the idea of rolling dices, you are praying to get a good roll. So anything with rng can be used in my opinion not just rolling on rivens. For example if u unveil a riven and you get God rolls even without rolling, since it is rng or luck based we will consider that a lucky roll if that makes sense hahaahahaha but that is how I would interpret it
Still gonna stick to the Zetki Apoc though. Once you've learned the lead (the lead indicator of the game is actually wrong, literally ALL the time, even if they fly straight) it's super easy to hit, deals tons of dmg, has the both best damage types, bursts healing bubbles just as fast... nothing to not love about Zetki Apoc :D I've now switched my gunner turret to Carcinnox though, as the cryophons really suck post-patch.... was thinking about the Zetki photor as well, as i also have one with 28,9% dmg, but i don't trust random side gunners to be that precise 😂
Hahahaha u are not wrong too :3 but watch the next video after this I think we also talked about other reasons why Photor is good I believe it was beause of punch through
I thought that the Apoc is generally the best as it has both damage increase and armor decreasing status effects. I don't really wanna build a gun I'm not gonna use as both good blueprints and titanium are rare -.- Meh, if the dps would nearly double I'd just build an mk2 for now and dismantle it once I have the rest of the resources.
yes Apoc is good but my problem with it is that it is not hitscan =x hahahahahaa and i miss a lot on far away enemies. the carcinnox is faster so i miss less and well now the photor is hit scan so don't really need to think about its flight path
@@x3lplive It being not-hitscan isn't what causes the apoc to miss at long ranges, it's that the range on the apoc is WAY shorter range than the carcinox. The Carcinox Mk 3 has a damage falloff range of 2,000-4,000, while the apoc has 500-1,000 range. It's max range is only 1/4 that of the carcinox!
@@kedolan4992 damage falloff i believe will mean that the damage is reduced to its minimum damage at a certain range. even at ranges way beyond 1000m u can still hit with the apoc just lower damage. the carcinnox feels better with long range is because the bullets has faster flight speed so closer to hitscan than the apoc. i think i will talk about it in todays video oops spoiler =x
@@x3lplive That's true, but I do know that the weapons absolutely have a max range after which they just fizzle into nothing. I usually spray shots at un-alerted enemy fighters at long range to try to get their attention, so I don't have to fly all the way to them, for instance. I'm not sure what the range is since at that distance there's no targeting info, but there is clearly a point where "all of a sudden" my bullets are in range to aggro them, where as before they weren't. With the falloff range/projectile speed being so much lower on the apoc, I'd bet it's "max" range is probably also a good bit lower.
@@kedolan4992 hahahaha yah i also dont know whats the max range i just know the falloff doesn't determine it lol ooo maybe we can figure it out and be famous =x
Just heads up your console viewers (such as myself) might not have a good way to send you pics etc. so in futures maybe try a contest thats easier for us to participate in. Thanks as always for the informative vids.
hahahaha i love the carcinox too, I have it on my sides! but i do think that photor might be abit better, it can also use to proc to one shot with artillery, I think i breaks bubble just abit faster and it should work the same with munition vortex but with photor you can also use void hole with it since it have punchthrough :3
@@x3lplive With an Artillery avionic and a direct hit to any of the 3 engines, you don't even need to armor strip in the Veil anymore to get a one-shot crewship.
guess i'll try to get a good roll for it and test it out. but i remember hating the apoc for the flight speed i miss alot when enemy is far, but with photor i can kill enemy at a decent range no problem
i tried the apoc before but i am not a fan of their flight speed that is the only thing that i dislike about it. so for far enemies i usually miss most of my shots D:
@@x3lplive I like Apoc in the pilot seat and Carcinox or Photor on the side guns. I get at close range sort of like the Cryophon so it is easier to hit them. Apoc is good when you are also using the critical mods since the Apoc has high critical chance.
Zekti apoc mk3 and carcinirox mk3 60% fire rate boosts. Work for me. The photor just wasn't "cutting" it damage wise for me. My accuracy is on point. I don't miss. Still looking for that God roll reactor.
To be the step up from those is that photo is hitscan and I didn't share this in the video but it also has punch through so you can combo with void hole too
Nice flex but I have 29.6% damage increase on zetki photor and I don’t use it for front gun and I’ll never use it for front gun unless the meta changes again
I’m sorry but photor tic is slow,it 12/sec ,I wouldn’t pick photor as main gun with only 18% of both stats, thus thumb down! It’s a good side gun due to long range. I know which guns are good and which guns are bad for current meta, and photor is definitely not the best gun!
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So learning from the comments the Photor seems to also has punch through, great to pair with void hole. A lot also mentioned that zekti apoc is good but I prefer the hitscan from Photor. However I will give it a chance and share my opinion again about it in the future.
Zekti apoc are actually the strongest RJ guns rn if you got a maxed out zekti predator, hyperstrike, and section density.
@@kaplou9716 I don't have one myself, but looking at the stats it's clear that the Apoc is clearly king in raw damage, but it's also the shortest range (even shorter range than the cryophon!). If you have something to hold enemies in place (like void hole, or someone in Amesha using the slow, etc) then it probably is by far the best dps gun. If fighters are still moving around at full speed, though, that short range is going to be a pain to work around.
@@kedolan4992 The falloff damage isn't even noticable from my experience. The only thing that was affecting my TTK at Long ranges (like 4k meters+) was the travel time making me miss shots. But whenever a fighter flew a predictable path, the guns would tear em up regardless of the range.
@@kaplou9716 That really depends on the gun I guess. My brother has cryophons on his side turrets, and if a fighter is at anything past knife fighting range they do jack all damage. If the enemy is right up close though, it's a 1-2 shot kill, on most fighter types.
Your railjack is named after "The Expanse". You get a Like from me.
can't wait for next season :D but i wish miller will come back i kinda like that character
Really cool vid, I enjoyed it! Almost at the veil...been using the parts from the dojo so far, just cleared Saturn. Need those intrinsics still. Quick note, accretion sounds like a-KREE-shen. Thanks again man!
Me: scraps photor every time i get 1
Me now: "Guess ill just kill myself"
How do I make my railjack go as fast as yours? Mine feels like a fucking whale with a broken fin trying to fly in space.
sorry for the late reply youtube not notifying me it seems, the parts for flight speed and boost is important i think i got some mk3s on my reactors and stuff that made mine faster
I'll give it a try today, a tactic i've adopted that seems to work for me is when the fighters go red I begin to back away, I don't weave but straight back, this also works better if you have gunners and makes it easier for them to target the fighters and a lot of the times it makes the fighters fly in a straight path in the front of you, plus it takes them out of range of the crew ships healing because they fly slower than the fighters.
if you turn around and fly away from the fighters they will end up coming from the back and fly straight infront too xD i used to shoot them like that lolz
Thanks for the info. I’m not sure if photor feels as good on console, but I shall farm one and try it.
Railjack kinda reminds me of No Man’s Sky’s space combat, where beam weapons and close range shotguns are king.
ooo i never played that game before. I really hope you like the photor but so far based on the comments many are recommending apoc zekti too something u can try out as well
x3lp I still have some plat to buy some rush repair drones, so maybe I’ll try that too.
@@thomashau8475 I hate to be the barer of bad news. But they removed repair drones from the market
Great video! Btw, you misspelled bread in the description but on the plus side "Beard and butter" is my new favorite phrase.
Hahahahahah thanks for telling me will fix it when I get home, or maybe I'll leave it muwahahhahaha
@@x3lplive hahaha, please leave it, it's great as is!
currently on console, hitting crewships on the middle thruster oneshots it everytime. Not sure if they patched that on PC tho
did you have the forward artillery avionic? with that max maybe it can kill it without weakening
Yes I do, I did another test a little later in this same video where I attacked it without weakening and it only did like 3/4 of the damage not sure if u saw it
also you have to take into account the double dip bonus of photor dmg bonus. you get 30% of whole dmg on top of both elementals separately. so in the end 160%. what i think is the problem with photor is the hard aiming and hitting
i got 29.8 zetki photor mk3 and carcinox zetki mk3 59.8 but it seems that carcinox apply more status per sec in my testing and its way more quicker than photor for FA
feels hard to tell when it gets enough proc
All of my photor give incendiary bonus damage, not weapon damage. Were there changes I don't know about?
Thx man, I've build mine today rush it with repair drone that I got from veil prox Gian point. Can't wait to test it tomorrow
Turning pilot doesn't turn the side turrets if people have gunner 2 perk. I've spent quite a bit of time on gunner turrets and can say that it really isn't an issue when a pilot is moving around a lot as generally, that means they're avoiding the pods too which means I can spend more time on the turrets and less cleaning out the ship.
Does the movement and boost effect you at all as the gunner and the gunners can get the pods too, since they like to curve around the sides. I don't play gunner as much as the pilot but I remember having a hard time when the pilot moving around a lot so correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
@@x3lplive I mean, the pilot drifting does effect aiming, but if the pilot is keeping distance from pods to give more of a chance to kill them before they board I think in the end, it's better if the pilot is moving. I think of it like, if I'm the pilot, I need time to aim too and as much time as I get to aim, the turrets do as well. So as long as the pilot doesn't just think they're supposed to keep drifting all over and avoiding everything, they should be fine. I guess it's up to your playstyle though. On gunner, I'm pretty good at working with whatever I get, as long as the gun is half-decent lol.
May i ask how u get that shield thingy in front of your railjack
it is an ability that you hunt for when flying around, sometimes enemies will drop them Sadly i forgot the name because i haven't been on the railjack for a long time i think it is something Ramp. sorry if it is not very helpful
@@x3lplive all good thnx for the info ^^
@@ruien2066 that's probably Particle ram.
do armor weakening procs from regular guns help when u use artillery?
yes it does, so you can actually still one hit with artillery cannon if you proc it first the crewship
Someone has excellent sci-fi taste xD
hahahahah if you see the reference you are not too bad yourself ;3
It’s insufferably woke imo
Gonna sub just for that Expanse reference, keep it up!
i need to start putting more movie/series reference in my games =x
@@x3lplive ahaha and maybe you should
im on console and my aim isnt good enuff for photor. Running a zekti apoc, which has better burst dps, but worse range
ah i see, at the end of the day i would also say it is mostly preference
I haven't had to board a crewship in the veil in a while. fully leveled zekti fw artillery can one shot a cewship - but you need a dorsal or ventral shot. if you hit the engines your SOL.
whats a dorsal or ventral shot? i have a zekti max fw artillery too but only does 3/4 damage unless you debuff the cs
@@x3lplive dorsal is the top of the ship. Central is the bottom. Avoid the engines at all costs. For me I think the best shot is right on the hatch on the back belly of the ship. The only softening we do typically, if at all, is to take out the engines, but we still 1 shot with no problem. We mostly run Gian Point. Maybe we're getting a buff from something else, but if we are it's consistent. Ran 5 - 6 missions on Gian in the last couple days and only had to take a second shot on maybe 2 crew ships, and those were admittedly sloppy shots.
I remember regretting making zetki photor cuz of that sweet 29.7% dmg but now it feels okay-ish
before the buff it heats up too fast and it was hard to use in my opinion. so now it is jsut much viable
@@x3lplive I got a 29.9% roll which I dismantled before the buffs went live. Before the buffs they were really bad so I thought they were just taking up inventory space and even a god roll was complete trash.
@@AzureDrag0n1 i know what you mean lol i didn't like the photor before the buff too xD
May I ask why do everyone call the mods " Rolls" as if you where rolling a riven for example " This is a God rolled riven" meaning I used kuva rolled the riven to get the precept. Which in this case it's whatever you pick up.
xiaughn71 cuz its still a roll of rng stats
They call weapons "rolls" since they have random numbers . Zetki photor as an example, can get up to 30% damage buff . Its also can have 1 % only if your luck is bad
@@shadowkhan422 no, the range is 15-30 so it can't have 1%
@@shadowkhan422 so basically it whatever you happens to pick up you don't actually have to do anything right??
Hahahahaha I think the word roll came from the idea of rolling dices, you are praying to get a good roll. So anything with rng can be used in my opinion not just rolling on rivens. For example if u unveil a riven and you get God rolls even without rolling, since it is rng or luck based we will consider that a lucky roll if that makes sense hahaahahaha but that is how I would interpret it
Still gonna stick to the Zetki Apoc though. Once you've learned the lead (the lead indicator of the game is actually wrong, literally ALL the time, even if they fly straight) it's super easy to hit, deals tons of dmg, has the both best damage types, bursts healing bubbles just as fast... nothing to not love about Zetki Apoc :D
I've now switched my gunner turret to Carcinnox though, as the cryophons really suck post-patch.... was thinking about the Zetki photor as well, as i also have one with 28,9% dmg, but i don't trust random side gunners to be that precise 😂
hahahaha ic, we are all good with our own personally preference ;3
i agree and also use apoc, but there is definitely some disadvantages. Overheat and dropoff is horrible.
I use Zekti Carcinnox in the front and Vidar Carcinnox at the sides. Both are pretty good.
all weapons are good...its a matter of taste. My 3 favorites is cryophon, photor and pulsar.
Hahahaha u are not wrong too :3 but watch the next video after this I think we also talked about other reasons why Photor is good I believe it was beause of punch through
Yeah i completely agree maybe bcs i like laser weapons and in space it also looks cool but i was not able to get any Zetki photor MKIII yet
I thought that the Apoc is generally the best as it has both damage increase and armor decreasing status effects.
I don't really wanna build a gun I'm not gonna use as both good blueprints and titanium are rare -.- Meh, if the dps would nearly double I'd just build an mk2 for now and dismantle it once I have the rest of the resources.
yes Apoc is good but my problem with it is that it is not hitscan =x hahahahahaa and i miss a lot on far away enemies. the carcinnox is faster so i miss less and well now the photor is hit scan so don't really need to think about its flight path
@@x3lplive It being not-hitscan isn't what causes the apoc to miss at long ranges, it's that the range on the apoc is WAY shorter range than the carcinox. The Carcinox Mk 3 has a damage falloff range of 2,000-4,000, while the apoc has 500-1,000 range. It's max range is only 1/4 that of the carcinox!
@@kedolan4992 damage falloff i believe will mean that the damage is reduced to its minimum damage at a certain range. even at ranges way beyond 1000m u can still hit with the apoc just lower damage. the carcinnox feels better with long range is because the bullets has faster flight speed so closer to hitscan than the apoc. i think i will talk about it in todays video oops spoiler =x
@@x3lplive That's true, but I do know that the weapons absolutely have a max range after which they just fizzle into nothing. I usually spray shots at un-alerted enemy fighters at long range to try to get their attention, so I don't have to fly all the way to them, for instance. I'm not sure what the range is since at that distance there's no targeting info, but there is clearly a point where "all of a sudden" my bullets are in range to aggro them, where as before they weren't. With the falloff range/projectile speed being so much lower on the apoc, I'd bet it's "max" range is probably also a good bit lower.
@@kedolan4992 hahahaha yah i also dont know whats the max range i just know the falloff doesn't determine it lol ooo maybe we can figure it out and be famous =x
Just heads up your console viewers (such as myself) might not have a good way to send you pics etc. so in futures maybe try a contest thats easier for us to participate in. Thanks as always for the informative vids.
Oh dear, what kind of contest would u like? Maybe share some so that I can think about it, I don't own a console not sure what's easy and what's not
Carcinox in Pilot + Artillery or Munition Vortex is bonkers. It can 100% 1 hit Crewship and it's the best for solo playing.
hahahaha i love the carcinox too, I have it on my sides! but i do think that photor might be abit better, it can also use to proc to one shot with artillery, I think i breaks bubble just abit faster and it should work the same with munition vortex but with photor you can also use void hole with it since it have punchthrough :3
@@x3lplive With an Artillery avionic and a direct hit to any of the 3 engines, you don't even need to armor strip in the Veil anymore to get a one-shot crewship.
Zetki is not the best, but for cercinox it is and any other status and high fire rate weapon. So do not make people dumber than they are.
Zetki Apoc feels sooooo gooooooood.
guess i'll try to get a good roll for it and test it out. but i remember hating the apoc for the flight speed i miss alot when enemy is far, but with photor i can kill enemy at a decent range no problem
Yep, got a really nice +50FR for my front guns which shred the healing bubbles and fighters
I have heard most youtubers pro. zekti but you say it correctly 👍
i used to say zekti too hahahahaha =x
I'm definitely _gunna_ try this! ;)
i have a 30% dmg roll and iam becaming a big fan of them, the second best ones to me seen the Zetki Apoc MK III try them
i tried the apoc before but i am not a fan of their flight speed that is the only thing that i dislike about it. so for far enemies i usually miss most of my shots D:
@@x3lplive I like Apoc in the pilot seat and Carcinox or Photor on the side guns. I get at close range sort of like the Cryophon so it is easier to hit them. Apoc is good when you are also using the critical mods since the Apoc has high critical chance.
@@AzureDrag0n1 so would you also recommend zetki apoc?
x3lp id recommend not building ones with 59% fire rate 😖
@@shanehull6235 why so? Overheat too fast?
Zekti apoc mk3 and carcinirox mk3 60% fire rate boosts. Work for me. The photor just wasn't "cutting" it damage wise for me. My accuracy is on point. I don't miss. Still looking for that God roll reactor.
To be the step up from those is that photo is hitscan and I didn't share this in the video but it also has punch through so you can combo with void hole too
@@x3lplive Interesting. I'll give it a go. Using death blossom with void hole.
@@TMB100 let me know how it goes
sorry man i never saw that Fashion news...i will show my ivara/toothpaste prime next time for sure
Hahahahaha looking forward to it lol
Nice flex, but I have a 29.2% weapon dmg roll on my zetki photor. Good video tho XD
D: i thought i was lucky until i read the comments lolz
@@x3lplive If it helps, my best reactor has only +52 avionics and is the only thing that keeps eluding me.
Nice flex but I have 29.6% damage increase on zetki photor and I don’t use it for front gun and I’ll never use it for front gun unless the meta changes again
@@miro-kfbeatassociate3538 hahahahaha my condolences
@@Lucifer-fj7mg why not and what would u use instead?
Orange
Stop,making these.
I haven't even made my mark 3s yet, and I wanted these as my main guns
Nerf soon
please NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I’m sorry but photor tic is slow,it 12/sec ,I wouldn’t pick photor as main gun with only 18% of both stats, thus thumb down! It’s a good side gun due to long range. I know which guns are good and which guns are bad for current meta, and photor is definitely not the best gun!