John Lydon's anger at Sid Vicious's Mum
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- John Lydon's anger at Sid Vicious's Mum
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Sid never stood a chance with a mother like that. Shame, kids need a sober parent not someone who just wants to be a friend. Anne didn't have his best interest at heart.
+bluesugar58 Let's get drunk and talk about this in detail.
His mum gave him the heroin to kill himself after all she did she let her son kill himself . ~I think she cooked it up and injected it to ( I saw that on a documentary ) Sid Vicious was Innocent
Between his mother and Nancy(diagnosed a schizophrenic and tried to commit suicide twice also was a junkie from an early age and a prostitute) Sid never had a fucking chance. The poor guy is a perfect example of how well meaning guys with the wrong women around them can be sabotaged.
I know we should not celebrate Nihilism But Sid (John Richie) was a tur de force. He did not have musical talent but will forever be a icon of the punk movement. Also people should never forget Darby Crash (Jan Paul Beahm) from the legendary proto-hardcore movement. Injecting heroin is never a good idea.
Akash Goodoree his version of my way was great
I saw an article about how John is taking care of his wife, who is suffering from dementia. Gave me a new appreciation of him.
Check out the performance included in this vid for the party they gave for deprived kids back in their heyday. Says a lot of good things about that band.ua-cam.com/video/mXpSrT7jVb0/v-deo.html
. . .and has sadly now lost her. 💔
John Lydon seems like a very intelligent and likeable guy. The day after Sid Vicious died I went to church as many of my age group did in those days and there had been an elderly parishioner who had died in the same week. The priest peppered the mass with references to our "dear departed Sidney and all those who have died this week" to the extent that I asked him afterwards if he'd known about the death of Sid Vicious. He replied that he had, that it wasn't our place to judge the excesses of youth and fame and that he would pray for anyone he felt might need it.
+Harrylechat01 God doesn't exist stop believing in fairy tales.
Jäger Braun I find you quite funny. First of all for telling a complete stranger what to believe and secondly for assuming that back in 1979 I was of an age to be able to choose whether or not I went to mass. Also your self-serving "I didn't get what I wanted on the one occasion I tried means that there is no God" is a ludicrous over-simplification. Still by your name and spelling I guess English isn't your first language so that probably explains it (no sarcasm intended). Have a n ice life and when it's over you'll find out what, if anything, happens next.
+Harrylechat01 Did he not also sneak Amphetamine into that jungle celebrity prog, i refuse to give it it's full title, as it's full of Tit's and Fools...Paul.
Work it out.
+Jäger Braun No I do not think there is a God at all. Would you, if you have one, send your Son here? Why do it back then, why not nowaday's, what a Magician he would be. Then isis would crucify him for being allegedly who he was/is?...Paul.
+Harrylechat01 why would the priest include Sid into his sermon though? Sid hated religion??
He seems really traumatized by Sid's death even to this day. Lydon seems like an erratic personality but he's really intelligent and compassionate.
Em1996 Jonny chama Sid de idiota. Que grande amigo!
Pretty sure most people at some point have called their friends idiots, come on now mang
@@alfredo4485 Fue cuando todavía lucía su personaje de Rotten, ¡¿y nunca has llamado idiotas a tus compañeros?! Sé realista y no escribas mierda.
also years of drug abuse kinda make you jumpy
Usually parents teach their kids how to live. Sid's mum taught him how to die.
Indeed.
Perhaps.injecting a patient with ribena instead of blood was not the best solution...
Very apt, poor did,
Oh fuck off, as much as we all love Johnny, its a tragedy, plain and simple fucking tragedy. As much as John loved sid hes offloading that little bit of self guilt which for the want of a better word, phrase is innocent guilt. It eats you away and only the strong survive. I know iv lived it.......
Lol, in the video of my way he shoots her in the heart
of course he holds anger at sid's mother. She basically killed him.
AND NANCY HAD FUCK ALL TO DO WITH IT......GET REAL..........
@ThatOneAsianBroChick build the boy and you wont have to mend the man
@ThatOneAsianBroChick
How old are you......firstly HOW OLD ARE YOU.....??????????????
@ThatOneAsianBroChick
Did he play for Dortmund or Paris saint germaine
No she didn't. There are many examples of people that had drug addicted mothers that turned out just fine.
John mentions Sid's mom giving him heroin on his 16th or 17th birthday. In a documentary apparently Sid's mom was giving him drugs at an even much younger age. He didn't have a chance, when you're a kid you look up to your parents or parent. Drugs was his bond with his mother and in his mind that's probably how he saw love from his mother, by her giving him drugs. What a fucked situation.
I was so upset when I heard this the first time,that Sid´s mom is a JUNKIE. My lovely mom was crying when I was of heroin and I am now in January 2017 10 years now but my mom died with 46 nearly 47,she wrote on her testament(and that with 45)that she was scared that I die earlier than her....she was crying and want to took me to rehap..RIP Mum too
jimmy fabs are you on it as well? Your name sounds like a pseudonym for silver foil?
What was this documentary called?
Daniela Schwarz your English is fine well done you. Best wishes.
@@Eleventhearlofmars You are the one that sounds like an idiot. Explain how that sounds like a pseudonym for heroin.
I'm not going to elaborate on my experience but knowing people who have been addicted to hammer for the most part of 30yrs I have NEVER heard of that.
Sid needed unconditional love. Every child deserves this
He had no father or stability in his life, this affects children badly.
Serving food and deliberately leaving out one person; I can only imagine how poor Sid and John felt. Of course that episode has remained in John's memory. RIP Sid.
that would be off and not very nice but the way he describes it seems to be comically out of proportion, if she was doing heroin herself he expects normal manners, surely now he's an adult he can see it a bit differently, giving her son the drug is far worse and unforgivable
I never knew she’d be posh though I thought she’d talk like someone cheap and common lol
this guy is brutally honest and deserves adoration,sid was his closest bud and he got hooked on crap,shame!!!!
He flip-flops a lot though. He's very good at getting people to back up his cause. He's great at stirring people up.
He couldn’t stand Sid,he’s a fuckin liar ✌️
he's noisy condescending narcissistic and egomaniac this guy.
John Lydon is one of the most captivating speakers i've ever seen in the flesh. Just a fantastic guy to listen to.
A politician but without the lies.
well said! i love this guy
There is no such thing as a politician without lies!
No,not even in same country
WTAF...?
John is an unbelievable smart bloke, love listening to what he has to say.
The most amazing guy ever to listen too. I was born 27 years after did died, buy I know so much about him, mainly from johnny. Sid was just a lovely person who never really had a great life, and as much as johnny hated him at the time, he's learned to understand him a lot more. Johnny is amazing and very intelligent.
+HyrulesDestiny You're 10 years old, isn't it?
+HyrulesDestiny How'd you find out about the Sex Pistols and Sid Vicious?
+asian person - how did you find out about them? Don't be an 'elitist punk'; elitist punks are just hipsters in disguise.
Sadly true.
John Lyndon is one of the most overlooked “super” intelligent guys in Rock & Roll (His opinion should be respected more so then a clown like Gene Simmons
Gene Simmons is the ULTIMATE phoney POS poser
no lies detected
I’m a kiss fan and I agree with you the only reason that people don’t like kiss is because of Gene Simmons and his massive ego
You're right dude gene Simonds is a total dick!
Gene Simmons is an overrated sleezball businessman. That’s it.
I have a friend whose parents are old ravers who still want to live that life, always doing drugs around her and trying to get her to do them, and when she refuses they call her "boring", mock her appearance and interests etc. Once she walked into the room and they started doing those exaggerated fake yawns. I'm glad she became really anti drugs because of it, it could easily have gone the other way. And she always has a place at our dinner table :)
That's pretty sinister.
Personally I've enjoyed a vast amount of non-alcoholic drugs over the years. My continuing irresponsibility is largely because I didn't opt to have children. To breed or not to breed.
Yeah I've known people who introduce alcohol and some drugs (NOT Heroin though) to their kids and use the use of it as some kind of bonding experience. It's bad enough. Good for your friend for seeing through this crap.
That's so sad. Some people shouldn't have any kids pets etc if they want to live that kind of life. Wishing that friend a happy life, away from the awful parents!
That's genuinely horrifying. Good on her for having the guts and the insight to stray as far away from those morons as possible.
Hahaha they sound like the funnest parents ever!!
'So glad this man in alive, well and still making noise!
+Madeleine Hague He may also be the best dressed grandfather on the planet.
Roc on
Yeah butter adverts. what an anarchist
+John O'Neill The money he made was spent putting his band on tour.
Nelson Dugluss he already has money. People need to stop falling for his shit
How can you not love John Lyndon!! Smart, funny and fantastic to fans!!
Cristina Searle The media are a bunch of arseholes for the most part.
During his pistols younger years, not the most appealing during interviews; he must have met The Queen and had a change of heart.
Easy.. I saw him wearing American flag shorts while standing in line at some yuppie coffee shop on a beach.. Fucking poser
adam tarver Seriously? That sounds hilarious.
Thatguy WhoDoesThings he IS the media. He has played a role in the very media you speak of for many years. He collects a pay check from the very media you speak of. He himself is a product for making the media money. His message has always stunk of hypocrisy.
I LOVE John Lydons blunt intelligence.
Me too, sadly those folks and politicians who are great at 'dancing around the point' (thereby completely avoiding it) are better celebrated! Best wishes to you... here are a couple of virtual beers 🍻
i think "sharp" would have been more apt.
What an intelligent man. I have enormous respect for him.
What I love about John Lydon is -- it didn't turn out to be an act. He really is that annoyed, snarling, aggressive and hilarious. He is the guy on stage singing Anarchy. Even though he apparently never really cared for -- or even much about -- anarchy. Great artist.
And at this point, he has inadvertently assumed the position of legend as well! It may seem he is short tempered, but that all depends on who he is talking to. He is dedicated to the idea of exposing hypocrisy, and being honest at all times. When people say that the truth hurts, that is not a metaphor. Telling the truth is painful, because the truth forces people to look at themselves and admit, that they are not capable of dealing with the consequences that come along with being honest. He's extremely intelligent and when he realizes that the person he is talking to is not interested in truth, he becomes annoyed and scolds them for it. He is honest and intelligent. Most people can not deal with people who posses those two qualities! It forces them to look at their own shortcomings.
@@richardharrity1389 Ok Dick, and what have you done to change music, attitudes, politics and culture?
Doesn't everyone wish they had a friend like Lydon? His loyalty is almost superhuman.
exeuroweenie This is one of the smartest comments I have ever read! Thanks! 👍
exeuroweenie GOD I hope you're being sarcastic.
Got one. Possibly three.
His loyalty to his wife was very touching.
Great shame that Mr lyndon did not have kids. He seems a man made for fatherhood which is the best compliment I can give to any man.
"she cooked devilied kidneys for Sidney vicious" 😂 😂 😂
1 year later and I’m still laughing 😂😂😂
imreallydead. How about now
How about now?
This is so true when he speaks about the sharing of food in a social situation and a parent leaving a child's friends out of a meal is a dreadful thing to do. I find it the most insulting thing to do to any age. Don't serve food if it means others are left out so rude. I am of the age group that was around when his music was out there, sorry I wasn't a fan but I am now of his talks.
Could be they couldnt afford to pay for the friends tbh
Lydon comes from a big Irish family. With Sid, it was just him and his mum really
I ve never been in a situation where my parents wouldn t offer my friend food, but l would have just shared my plate. Mind you, Sid looked half starved, Lydon well fed!
Back in the day an ex bf’s friend cooked brats for everyone except me and made a point of it. The fact that I still remember it now more than a decade later indicates what an absolute twat you have to be to do something so cruel. Even if you don’t like someone, don’t make an ass of yourself. 🤡
This actually made me cry like how cruel can you be
you cant help like john he speaks his mind
He does an awesome Sid Vicious impression 😂👍
I always felt a bit uneasy watching John Lydon on TV when I was a kid lol. But as an adult, I see that the guy seems very upfront, intelligent and has integrity. He was one of the few who had the guts to attempt to expose Jimmy Savile for God's sake!
YES!
It’s his schtick.
His mother was no mother she was bad news and an enabler . John is spot on here .
Back in the day as "Johnny Rotten" I really disliked him, but nowadays, the more I get to know him, the more sympathetic I feel towards him!
It breaks my heart to see this. John was just a kid himself, he didn't know any better. He's said before he blames himself and he really shouldn't
Sid was doomed from the day he entered the world.
We all are but his journey was a lot shorter than most of us. It's a reflection of the poor sods charisma that he can instil so much emotion after all these years. It certainly wasn't his musical prowess.
What’s good about John is he appreciates what he has in his life and what other people don’t.
I was fortunate to be at this Q and A. John was generous with his time. Initially the organisers said there would be a draw for signed copies of John's book. However he had signed all 300 before the event so we all got one. Said to me a lot about the man and it's sad to hear all the disagreements the band members are now having.
My mom and step dad were needle users, and my step dad got me started too by time i was 16, Mom pretended she didn't know until she ran out of dope then she would be begging for a me to split a shot with her.
I really relate to the story of Sid and Nancy, also Kurt and Courtney, just for the single fact that they were all addicts... Its like some weird soul tie, like i look at them and see apart of myself... The needle is defining.
Mary Magdalene i hope you're doing better now, you truly deserve it.
Mary Magdalene ii
So, what happened? Are you straight now? Do you still dabble?
I absolutely understand.
r/thathappened
John is bloody right about this. I can speak from personal experience on this one - when your parent introduces you (and keeps _supplying you_) with drugs, it's really, _really_ difficult to try and push yourself away from it. It sets up a connection with the drug where you feel comforted by it, and pretty soon it gets to be that you rely on it to shield yourself from life in general.
If you're a parent and you give your kids that shit, you should be ashamed because you're robbing your child of a normal life.
but if the drugs are free whats the problem ?
I went through this, AND had an injury caused by an unprovoked attack, which predisposed me to using to deal with the pain, at age 15! I was even told the drug I was taking wasn't addictive... how was I to know any better!?
I think this concept is so foreign to most people here, that a parent could do such horrible things to a child for those mostly raised in middle class families with privileged backgrounds. Not to say this type of abuse is uniquely systemic to poorer areas, but it is certainly more common place. I grew up in such an area were these things happened, its real, and there are far too many kids being subjected to this type of life and not enough support provided to help them.
@@HULLGRAFFITI Don't believe the _florist_ when he tells you that the _roses_ are "free..."
I just love John Lydon for his steeley-eyed perception, amazing, natural intellect and his fearlessness in speaking the truth. He is of the top class of human beings.
You can't blame yourself, mate... You did the right things, by being there for him and showing him true friendship & love.
I've always loved Johnny Rotten(Lydon), and I always will. People who are honest and straight shooters are rare, and precious.
Sidney had no chance it's amazing he made it to 21
His name was John Simon Richie. Not Sidney or Sid for that matter, great way of getting your opinion across "had no chance" every second comment has said that
Poor Sid, he was only 21, a kid... 😭
That is true,he hadn´t a good live and 21 is too young....a kid of heroin and he hadn´t a chance at all.His mom was of heroin and his father left his family when Sid was just 2 years old....and Christopher Beverly died on cancer...then he met Nancy and was totally of heroin,,,,I could cry because Sid was a nice person and she destroyed him like his mom.Sorry for this english;-)
Too young to die so so sorry
He was also a murderer
@inside outside upside downside Nancy Spungen
@@POB-rocker read up some dude
Love him, hate him, or ignore him, the man always spit it out just as it is.
Love this honesty. Very rare..
I never used to get J L, but I do now. Good straight talking man who cares about children. Poor Sid, he didn't stand a chance with a so called mother like that, It's so damaging. Well said John 👍🇬🇧
Little stories like the lack of generosity of Sid's mum in giving food to his mates and his acute shame at this can be so much more revealing in understanding a character like Vicious than a million leather jackets or spiky hairstyles. Those seemingly insignificant things can have enormous repercussions on the personality in later life. Lydon should be teaching kids in school about life not those syllabus automatons who we call teachers or is it educators now?
Ken Mills This. My husband grew up with a mother like that, and it leaves permanent scars.
Not the role of teachers but the role of parents.
Agreed it’s interesting with some celebrities and people in general how their childhoods have a big influence on their character. The best other famous example I can think of is Courtney Love who’s dad fed her acid when she was a kid and then her parents basically abandoned her.
@@Kaiserbill99 Thank you. My sister is a schoolteacher and it is a tough job that doesn't pay well.
I'm gonna be taking care of children in preschool when I'm done with my education. I'm here, I'm listening and I've had a rough childhood. Not this level of rough but bad enough. And I'm sure as hell looking for signs of child neglect and abuse and for these kids I'll do everything in my power to change their life in school and at home for the better and I'll give every kid in my group a safe, loving, reliable environment.
I love this guy. He is a legend. A proper human being
trump supporter
Johnny Rotten" is one of the most honest people I've ever heard- used to have a show on MTV- they fired him because he broke through the bullshit- best show ever!
John just tells it like it is..
A realist..such a rare feat these days..
Poor bloke never stood a chance with a mum like that. If someone gave Sid a bit of love and nurturing like a proper parent should have he might still be alive
this guy is so deep . . . people may think of him as just a "punk artist" but he took me through a whole thought channel & addressed things on so many different levels
He had a life extremely similar to mine, except i got Oxi for my 16th, and my dad was exactly like that emotionally....but I didnt end up like him. 27, 2 kids, been on methadone for 6 years, and working 2 jobs, wish he would've been able to get the right help.
I bet your kids are proud/will be be proud when old enough to understand of you for getting on the right path.
Sometimes I just want to hug Johnny Lyndon! Thank God he is still with us.
Same here. If I saw him anywhere he would get a huge hug from me.
Oh, God! Was just going to say the very same thing.I siukd just hug him, too, for his truth about Jimmy Savile
This man never ceases to impress me, even after 40+ years.
You know you're doomed when it's your mom the person who drives you to drugs
Johnny rotten is a perfect example of don’t judge a person on their looks because he’s very well spoken and you can tell he has a good heart
Can't imagine having a mother who did that. It's surprising to me Sid lasted as long as he did.
I could listen to John speak about anything for hours
I've read some of John Lydon's books, and the man is extremely intelligent. He doesn't get even half the credit he deserves!
Everyone wants to blame Nancy for Sid's addiction. He was already a full blown addict by the time he met her. His mother set him up for failure. In a way Nancy and Sid's mom were one and the same. They both fed his ego and treated him the same way.
John’s intelligence is off the scale at times, I can’t stop listening to him and it scares me how switched on he is. I feel like I have something to learn from this man.
Mr. Lydon really comes off well here. Articulate, thoughtful and unapologetic.
I have underestimated the man.
I agree, Sid was doomed from the beginning but getting mad at his mother is like getting mad at Sid as she was just another Sid with probably a shit childhood too. And when people are addicted to drugs, they dont think straight. Thats their world and things that seem unormal to clean people like giving your son drugs as a birthday present HONESTLY feel like a gift when youre an addict and dying for the stuff. But I suppose shit childhoods and drug addictions arent no excuse...
It can become a cycle of destruction that repeats itself through the children and grandchildren if allowed to fester. I've seen it happen.
Mary Rose Also, if it's all Sid's mum's fault, why does he say it was all Nancy's fault in other interviews?
Besides his mother and everything she did, we mustn't forget the absence of a father figure in Sid's life. He abandoned his family when Sid was only two years old. He didn't even have a sibling, somebody equal in his home to share his situation. He was completely alone in his upbringing. Correct me someone if I'm mistaken, but I read somewhere that Sid turned up for school on his first day alone at the age of five. What I don't understand is how Social Services didn't intervene.
YESSS!!!
Thank you John !
Keep speaking the truth.
They hate it.
We love it !
What a man! He speaks words others can only dare to think. Respect.
What great man he talks the truth so down to earth
I cant hear John. The music at the end blows my speakers, but John is but a whisper.
Yeah, someone needs Video Production for Dummies. It's worse on a laptop because you typically have very limited volume available so quiet videos are simply useless unless you want to lay your head on the keyboard.
Three elderly ladies on Blackpool promenade
1st lady: "Windy, isn’t it?"
2nd lady: "No it’s not, I think it’s Thursday."
3rd lady: "So am I. Let’s go and have a cup of tea"
One of the most emotional intelligent people I know of
I recall a dream I had in 1984, then for myself was a long time from Sid's death, but I imagine for someone who had been close and had gone through the death of a friend that close only mere years from it.. I dreamt I met Lydon, and he was still hurt by the fact Sid was dead and he said that exact thing he said here in the interview now DECADES later.. "I thought I could do something about it" and in the dream he was very emotional... but now him here in hindsight with knowing now, he could not, now in real life in this intereview, he shows how angry he was at Sid's mother who, yes, did heroin with her son. Johnny Lydon is right to have this anger.. this is rightous anger.
Wow you need to get a life lol
Mrs Vicious sounds like a right piece of work!
What a great talk by Lydon here he tells it how it was.
It always go back to the childhood.
This guy unlike Sid, had loving parents. Poor Sid, my heart breaks for the kid.
Rest in peace Sid you now experience all the love you never faced on earth❤❤🙏🏻😌
RIP Sid wish you could still be here mate
As time goes on, I like Johnny more & more!
Rewatching just to see that someone in the world can recognize when another is f'd because of a narcissistic ungenerous horrible parent. Thanks, John. Most of the time people just point out our flaws not knowing what abuse we're dealing with in private.
It's sad how a person's parents have such a huge impact on their lives, and kids don't get to choose them.
Poor Sid's life really did start from behind the eight-ball, literally and metaphorically.
John loves Sid still...its very heartbreaking.....as if he saw the Death-traincrash-drug crap that would happen....to poor Sid....
Mother served him devilled kidneys with a side of heroin, wow! Some upbringing. John Lyndon is a very insightful person, and real survivor!
Love John Lydon the master of punk also seems a very astute man straight and knows his own mind love listening to him speak he is and always will be the godfather of punk god bless him for being honest rip sid
God I love John Lydon. He is so brutally honest and raw. RIP Sweet Sweet Sid 🖤🖤🖤
"He will always be my mate..."
Thats really fckin sweet...
so sad and cruel to raise a child like this :(
she also gave him his final shot
John was and is a very smart guy and people should listen to him more. He has been right about a lot.
Passing her mistakes into her son unforgivable
the real punk..great job john
nate2skate 2 I wouldn't really call a self proclaimed celebrity, who has claimed to like Donald Trump and who has appeared in reality tv and adverts a 'real punk' but whatever.
guys guys guys!
It's not only about the heroin; it's also about a course set by an educator. like, not only her use of heroin, but the way she went about it with her son!
on the other hand, she might've been dense enough to believe she was on a right course with that stuff(which would only make matters even weirder)
A rare opportunity to listen to John Lydon.
I'm proud I was a fan of this man!
I know what he's saying, I tried so hard to get my mate to stop, he only stopped when he died
His honesty is inspiring. Just doesn't give a shit!
Johnny Lydon - brilliant - not your fault - long live kind people
A simple four minutes explains soo much,
Genuinely thank you Mr John Lydon
I think the fact that John felt guilty about his friends death tells me he's at heart a good guy.
I remember on every Friday evening going to my mates house before we'd go out to see bands in the pubs and his mum always had the dinner table set and on Friday there was always a plate set for me. Tuna mornay every time and the best tuna mornay I've ever eaten. Funny how things like that stay with you for life
Good stuff John
Imagine being give heroin as a kid! He never had a chance
I wish everyone a mate like John Lydon
All due respect Sid's mother was a piece of complete & total shit. Gives her son heroin for his birthday. [shakes head in disbelief]