I just got the older version and looked up and they had a fuel and stumbled across your video, I'm heading back now to return and get the fuel thanks !!
Good review, thank you. It has helped me decide to go for the Fuel. I think the extra cost is justified mainly for the reduced vibration as using them for long periods your hands get battered and vibration can lead to long term issues. Regarding that nut for the depth stop, I think i'll just glue it in to prevent the inevitable ! Chris. UK.
I really admire the review you've done for these. I own the pre-fuel version and believe me, it still rocks. Though, now I know the differences between the two versions. God bless, and thank you!
Saved me with the battery comment. I purchased mine and noticed the connector of the battery felt loose. I was mad and thought about returning it but it still worked. Seems it was created to reduce the battery weight vibration to have lighter control. Thanks.
The japanese manufacturer's go a step further and add rubber bumpers to help reduce this further. Interestingly, the M12 version has these but the M18 does not.
I’ve gone thru 3 of the OG non-fuel m18 multitools over the course of 5 years. Not gonna lie take care of my tools but I beat the piss out of my multitool. The Fuel Multitool was a major upgrade compared to the brushed version. After burning out 3 of the non-fuels, I jumped at the Fuel when it came out. We’ll see how long it hold up but so far so good👍
I own the old one and never had a problem with it bothering my hands. And I beat the you know what out of my tools. If they don't perform they are not worth owning.
I just tried the old one and it is pretty damn nice - the on button on the new one is in a more inconvenient place. Accessories are cheaper and it is $100 cheaper. I don't know - I'm pretty tempted to get the older version
Tip: when you put a blade on, finger tighten the locking screw, but then back it off a quarter turn, then lock it down with the lever, and it will hold tight, but still be easy to remove next time....
i've had TWO m18 multitools die on me in the exact same way where the head starts leaking grease from the motor and the whole head part comes loose. I thought it was a fluke the first time and bought another but after only three months it happened again. I just bought the FUEL version and hope it lasts me. I love the versatility and functionality of these tools just too bad they die so quickly
Great video, I like the comparison with the old version as I have that and will now most likely upgrade. I'd be interested however, in a comparison with the M12 fuel. Good stuff!
@@DoresoomReviews nah, let the other goons do stuff like that! do more reviews on stuff you are great at, like patents, and cool intricacies nobody else is discussing.
I just got it and it got pretty hot after cutting some screws with it. Is that normal? It wasn’t too bad, just hot to the touch closer to where the blade is at
Mine stunk. At less than month old the first one quit. The Milhawakee rep at Home Depot exchanged it for a new one. Used this brand new exchange for about another month. It quit. It's currently being repaired under Milwaukee's e-repair program.
I just bought the M18 Non-Fuel from Acme Electric for $99.00 with a battery and charger, you got me thinking about returning it and spending allot more money now.
I can’t even believe they didn’t address the issue with the speed selection being accidentally moved. I can’t STAND it on the old one, somehow I never have an issue with the m12, I’m really sad it is even worse on this one. That’s a definite dealbreaker for me by the way I naturally hold the tool. I might just put it in A mode and put some tape on it😂
I own the Milwaukee M12 and the M18 platform and I really am a huge fan of the brand and I also would love to add the m18 multitool to it. But the one thing that prevents me of doing that is the blade change and specifically the blade position change. I own a corded Fein FMM 350 multimaster equipped with the starlock system. So many times I change the position of the blade (or the sanding pad) and it only takes 2 or 3 seconds. I owned 3 earlier models of Fein, one that used an allen key for a blade change and later an upgraded model with a lever, but since I am used to the (srewless) starlock system nothing will make me return to the previous versions. Sorry Milwaukee, I think I will wait for tne next generation Multitool equipped with starlock..
I like the improvements, but in my case this tool gets very occasional use and with the price delta the old version is a better value for me though the bulk of my M tools are brushless.
Can you tell me if your battery terminal on the tool itself has a lot of play in it? All of my other fuel tools don’t have that much play with the battery connector
I love everything about it other than it shutting off every 5 seconds lol. I have a lot of Milwaukee stuff. Dremel makes really good ones of you don't mind it being corded.
There's definitely something wrong with yours if it shuts off every 5 seconds. I'd get that warrantied ASAP! The Dremel MM50 is great too, it's just hard to go back to a cord after using this one!
@@DoresoomReviews I'm very normal at the home Depot here since I work for myself. I'm just going to box it up and take it back. The wife got me in the habit of saving the boxes to things for a few months. Glad she did lol. Yes, the MM50 is a good one. And agreed about the cord. The Dremel is my woodshop oscillating tool for that reason. Good video 🤙🤙
Really good review buddy, my m18 fuel multi tool has arrived today! One question it came with a little spacer, do you need to fit this? If i do the magnets only hold the spacer on not the blade? What is the spacer for? Any help 🙏
When you said “it’s not star lock,”could you still use star lock blades with it?? As in would they still work if it’s not star lock specific but universal blade attachment…
I love compact size, price, and battery stand option of the m12 fuel version and now prefer it over my 20v DeWalt brushless. The m 18 is annoyingly longer than the annoyingly long older version.
Is the fuel quieter then the non fuel version? I’ve found my original is loud and refrain from using mine I’ll borrow the dewalt as it’s not as loud noticeably
Yeah, I mentioned it was a little loose feeling. I'm not sure if that's intentional to cut down on vibration transferred to it, or just a problem with their mold for this particular tool.
Do you have a blade fastened securely in it when it makes the buzzing noise? Mine doesn't buzz and has much less vibration than other multi tools I've used.
You'd probably end up gouging the drywall, but I haven't tried it for wallpaper myself. I have used a multitool scraper for removing carpet pad glue from a concrete slab though, and it worked awesome for that.
-20 is bare tool, -21 is a one-battery kit. Milwaukee uses the ####-2# convention for all their power tools, with the first four digits designating the tool, and the last digit being 0, 1, or 2, which corresponds to the number of batteries that come with it.
@@DoresoomReviews ah ok because I just bought one too & the number was different at the end, 😌 thank you though for the info I was thinking that I got a replica
I don't know - I haven't tried the new M12 FUEL. I think it speaks volumes that Milwaukee sent the M12 version to an 18V OMT head to head though: ua-cam.com/video/QPeSPiMLSsg/v-deo.html
M18 fuel is brighter, less vibration and more powerful with longer run times, the m12 is more compact that’s about it. I never hold my multi tool in a way that would accidentally hit the speed selector dial so that doesn’t make sense to me as a flaw and I think the people that do that are not using the tool properly or holding it improperly. Hope that helps
about battery terminals....as far i remember from taking mine apart , on old version whole battery section is isolated on 4 soft rubber rings ,i was actualy quite suprised by this a the time best regards mark
I’m here to find out why the battery is so loose on the new one. Battery looseness is kinda normal on some M18 items, but I noticed while checking it out at my local store that it was very noticeably loose compared to many others. If anybody knows if this is a QC issue or normal that would be great!
@@AutobahnDan i just bought the m18 fuel OMT and my battery terminal is super loose. I’m thinking of returning it but if they’re all like that then it might have something to do with lessening the vibration
The screw that holds the blade in can come out and become lost (happened to my boss with his) and makes it a deal breaker for me, I think when they updated it they should have gone to starlock. Until Milwaukee updates to starlock I’ll stick with the Flex, otherwise it looks great
I just saw project farm's latest video on multitools and the Flex is a great alternative to the M18 Fuel. It cuts almost ss fast, has the best features, best LED, competitive price and the starlock blade system. It's just a bit heavier, though.
Interesting, I've never had that happen to me in the several years I've been using them. I always just snug that screw down and then close the lever when i go to put it away. The screw has plenty of tension on it, so it never comes loose.
I liked the variable speed adjustment. However, I’m sorry to say but the On/Off (switch) was definitely a (Game Over) feature for me. I hated it. I LOVE Milwaukee products but sadly, I had to return it to get the Dewalt brushless multi tool.
Interesting - I recently bought the DeWalt XR and Atomic models to try out. I like the variable speed trigger in combination with the 3 max speed settings that the XR has, but absolutely HATE the trigger with the Atomic which has no speed limiter settings.
I can't believe they stuck with the stupid little hand threaded clamp for the Fuel. This was why I didn't want to get the non-fuel. If you need to change the blade when the tool is hot you can't just drop the blade out without touching the hot surface.
That’s one of the best parts the blade change. I hate the janky dewalt one that gets stuck and even when you depress the lever it doesn’t disengage. The only better mounting method would be the star lock
The new 49-90-2420 dust collection attachment only works with the brushless FUEL M12 and M18 OMT versions. It's not backwards compatible with the older multitools.
If you go off MSRP, it's $119 vs $229. The older one has been discounted more recently because the FUEL version is out. If you use it a lot, the improvements are worth the upgrade.
I had to replace the casing of mine because the the vibration ate trough the plastic where the battery clips hold. It also was starting to damage my battery clips. It did this on both casings. So i got refund and bought the Radio 😁. Anyone else had this problem?
I have both and personally prefer the Milwaukee. The DeWalt Atomic version with no speed control other than the trigger is terrible to use. The DeWalt XR with three max speed settings and variable trigger is pretty useful though.
I have the M12 FUEL as well, but I don't see much advantage over the M18 FUEL with a compact battery. The M12 is still pretty big. I actually prefer the DeWalt 20V XR with a compact Powerstack battery if I want lightweight and a smaller grip for better control. But if I'm running an OMT for an extended time and need lots of power I still reach for the M18 FUEL every time.
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Great video. I just got mine today and first thing I noticed was the slightly loose battery connection. Lol. Glad to know it’s not an abnormality!
I just got the older version and looked up and they had a fuel and stumbled across your video, I'm heading back now to return and get the fuel thanks !!
LOL, glad I could help!
Good review, thank you. It has helped me decide to go for the Fuel. I think the extra cost is justified mainly for the reduced vibration as using them for long periods your hands get battered and vibration can lead to long term issues. Regarding that nut for the depth stop, I think i'll just glue it in to prevent the inevitable ! Chris. UK.
I really admire the review you've done for these.
I own the pre-fuel version and believe me, it still rocks. Though, now I know the differences between the two versions.
God bless, and thank you!
It is a good tool, you will find the motor burning out one day, its a prob with the old non fuel.
Saved me with the battery comment. I purchased mine and noticed the connector of the battery felt loose. I was mad and thought about returning it but it still worked. Seems it was created to reduce the battery weight vibration to have lighter control. Thanks.
Same here man, just got one and noticed that right away and started to watch some reviews.
The japanese manufacturer's go a step further and add rubber bumpers to help reduce this further. Interestingly, the M12 version has these but the M18 does not.
I’ve gone thru 3 of the OG non-fuel m18 multitools over the course of 5 years. Not gonna lie take care of my tools but I beat the piss out of my multitool. The Fuel Multitool was a major upgrade compared to the brushed version. After burning out 3 of the non-fuels, I jumped at the Fuel when it came out. We’ll see how long it hold up but so far so good👍
Just wondering if you could replace any of the M18 non fuel multitools under warranty? What was your experience doing so?
Thanks mike
How is it holding up so far?
@@marcowens3522 So far so good, motor runs alot cooler than the brushed
@@Z71OBS thanks mike
I own the old one and never had a problem with it bothering my hands. And I beat the you know what out of my tools. If they don't perform they are not worth owning.
I felt the same way until i finally used the fuel m18. It's amazing how nice the new one is.
I just tried the old one and it is pretty damn nice - the on button on the new one is in a more inconvenient place. Accessories are cheaper and it is $100 cheaper. I don't know - I'm pretty tempted to get the older version
@@jeffa847 Well, it won't crap out because of the fuel electronic crap. Two fuels have crapped out for me.
I'm planning on upgrading and giving the old one to my father In law. I got him into milwaukee tools👍
Tip: when you put a blade on, finger tighten the locking screw, but then back it off a quarter turn, then lock it down with the lever, and it will hold tight, but still be easy to remove next time....
i've had TWO m18 multitools die on me in the exact same way where the head starts leaking grease from the motor and the whole head part comes loose. I thought it was a fluke the first time and bought another but after only three months it happened again.
I just bought the FUEL version and hope it lasts me. I love the versatility and functionality of these tools just too bad they die so quickly
Any update on the FUEL version? I've been thinking of upgrading, is it worth then extra money?
Great video. I bought the 2626-20 for the small ness of it . To sand under the toe space of cabinets.
Wonder how the new m12 fuel compares to the old m18
Great video, I like the comparison with the old version as I have that and will now most likely upgrade. I'd be interested however, in a comparison with the M12 fuel. Good stuff!
That's the second request for an M12 comparison. Maybe I should look into doing one! 😄
@@DoresoomReviews nah, let the other goons do stuff like that!
do more reviews on stuff you are great at, like patents, and cool intricacies nobody else is discussing.
Great review I'd really like a comparison between the M12 fuel and M18 fuel.
I second this
Agreed
excellent review! you deserve a million subs! I also appreciated seeing you on "belts & boxes".
Thanks!
I just got it and it got pretty hot after cutting some screws with it. Is that normal? It wasn’t too bad, just hot to the touch closer to where the blade is at
Mine stunk. At less than month old the first one quit. The Milhawakee rep at Home Depot exchanged it for a new one. Used this brand new exchange for about another month. It quit. It's currently being repaired under Milwaukee's e-repair program.
The new model fuel or the older brushed?
I just bought the M18 Non-Fuel from Acme Electric for $99.00 with a battery and charger, you got me thinking about returning it and spending allot more money now.
Haha, sorry! The $99 is a great deal for the brushed OMT starter kit, but having used both of them, I'd pick the FUEL version any day.
Cool video Nate thanks for posting. I have the old M18 and was thinking about upgrading.
Glad you liked it. If you use the tool a lot, I think it's definitely worth upgrading!
I can’t even believe they didn’t address the issue with the speed selection being accidentally moved. I can’t STAND it on the old one, somehow I never have an issue with the m12, I’m really sad it is even worse on this one. That’s a definite dealbreaker for me by the way I naturally hold the tool. I might just put it in A mode and put some tape on it😂
I pretty much leave it in A mode myself, and it's less likely to get moved there too, since it can only go one direction from that point.
Definitely like the depth stop. I wonder if the new m12 model has that?
It's compatible with both M12 and M18 FUEL models.
2 mins into the video you have me convinced the new gen is much better lol. Good video keep up the good work.
Now that you have had the new one for a few months, I would like to know your thoughts on it and its reliability.
I own the Milwaukee M12 and the M18 platform and I really am a huge fan of the brand and I also would love to add the m18 multitool to it. But the one thing that prevents me of doing that is the blade change and specifically the blade position change. I own a corded Fein FMM 350 multimaster equipped with the starlock system. So many times I change the position of the blade (or the sanding pad) and it only takes 2 or 3 seconds. I owned 3 earlier models of Fein, one that used an allen key for a blade change and later an upgraded model with a lever, but since I am used to the (srewless) starlock system nothing will make me return to the previous versions. Sorry Milwaukee, I think I will wait for tne next generation Multitool equipped with starlock..
I like the improvements, but in my case this tool gets very occasional use and with the price delta the old version is a better value for me though the bulk of my M tools are brushless.
This thing is a great tool to have you don't realize how much you need one until you have one.
Can you tell me if your battery terminal on the tool itself has a lot of play in it? All of my other fuel tools don’t have that much play with the battery connector
I love everything about it other than it shutting off every 5 seconds lol. I have a lot of Milwaukee stuff. Dremel makes really good ones of you don't mind it being corded.
There's definitely something wrong with yours if it shuts off every 5 seconds. I'd get that warrantied ASAP!
The Dremel MM50 is great too, it's just hard to go back to a cord after using this one!
@@DoresoomReviews I'm very normal at the home Depot here since I work for myself. I'm just going to box it up and take it back. The wife got me in the habit of saving the boxes to things for a few months. Glad she did lol. Yes, the MM50 is a good one. And agreed about the cord. The Dremel is my woodshop oscillating tool for that reason. Good video 🤙🤙
Really good review buddy, my m18 fuel multi tool has arrived today!
One question it came with a little spacer, do you need to fit this? If i do the magnets only hold the spacer on not the blade?
What is the spacer for? Any help 🙏
I think the spacer is to help it be compatible with as many third party blades as possible.
When you said “it’s not star lock,”could you still use star lock blades with it?? As in would they still work if it’s not star lock specific but universal blade attachment…
Yes, you can still use Starlock blades with it.
I love compact size, price, and battery stand option of the m12 fuel version and now prefer it over my 20v DeWalt brushless. The m 18 is annoyingly longer than the annoyingly long older version.
Yeah, but put a 12Ah on the M18 and you can run it for months without charging. 🤣
Is the fuel quieter then the non fuel version? I’ve found my original is loud and refrain from using mine I’ll borrow the dewalt as it’s not as loud noticeably
I'd say it's a little quieter.
I bought it and these things ill use for purposes they are not intended to. So it still manages to hold
Would you say the battery has wobble on it because I just got mine with some wobble
Yeah, I mentioned it was a little loose feeling. I'm not sure if that's intentional to cut down on vibration transferred to it, or just a problem with their mold for this particular tool.
Great video Nate! Direct & to the points!
Thanks!
I just got a new Fuel version and it seems to vibrate a lot and make buzzing noise if i turn it upside down. Is this normal?
Do you have a blade fastened securely in it when it makes the buzzing noise? Mine doesn't buzz and has much less vibration than other multi tools I've used.
There is a scraper tool attachment... Would that be practical for helping take a huge amount of wallpaper down 🤔...or would that damage drywall?
You'd probably end up gouging the drywall, but I haven't tried it for wallpaper myself. I have used a multitool scraper for removing carpet pad glue from a concrete slab though, and it worked awesome for that.
@@DoresoomReviews thank you the reply. That was kind of what I was thinking but don't have a lot of experience.
Milwaukee M18 FUEL not too heavy :) fast and quick job :)
On the fuel do you have to open the latch as far as on the old version to get it to let go. On the old you almost have to 180 it to get it open.
The new M18 FUEL version only opens about 110°.
Should have put a paddle trigger like hart or something. I don’t like the on off switch
one of the most used tools in my truck
Will the Fuel accept starlock blades?
Yes, you can still attach Starlock and Starlock Plus blades, they just don't click on as seamlessly as they do with a true Starlock OMT head.
Which one do you think is better, the new M12 fuel multi-tool or the new M18 fuel multi-tool?
I haven't used the M12 FUEL version myself, unfortunately. I'd say the M12 is a great option from everything I've seen about it though.
M12 Fuel is definitely way better than the old m18, but I’m sure the new m18 wouldn’t be less especially with the nice A mode
Does Milwaukee make a standard Brushless Oscillating Multi-Tool?....
No, just a brushed version and a FUEL version in M12 and M18.
Very good comparison clip. 👍👍👍
I’m confused what’s the difference between 2836-20 & 2836-21?
-20 is bare tool, -21 is a one-battery kit. Milwaukee uses the ####-2# convention for all their power tools, with the first four digits designating the tool, and the last digit being 0, 1, or 2, which corresponds to the number of batteries that come with it.
@@DoresoomReviews ah ok because I just bought one too & the number was different at the end, 😌 thank you though for the info I was thinking that I got a replica
Great video, very comprehensive
do you think the new M12 Oscillating tool has more power than the old M18?
I don't know - I haven't tried the new M12 FUEL. I think it speaks volumes that Milwaukee sent the M12 version to an 18V OMT head to head though: ua-cam.com/video/QPeSPiMLSsg/v-deo.html
M18 fuel is brighter, less vibration and more powerful with longer run times, the m12 is more compact that’s about it. I never hold my multi tool in a way that would accidentally hit the speed selector dial so that doesn’t make sense to me as a flaw and I think the people that do that are not using the tool properly or holding it improperly. Hope that helps
about battery terminals....as far i remember from taking mine apart , on old version whole battery section is isolated on 4 soft rubber rings ,i was actualy quite suprised by this a the time
best regards mark
I’m here to find out why the battery is so loose on the new one. Battery looseness is kinda normal on some M18 items, but I noticed while checking it out at my local store that it was very noticeably loose compared to many others. If anybody knows if this is a QC issue or normal that would be great!
I didn't know that about the brushed version, thanks for pointing that out!
@@AutobahnDan i just bought the m18 fuel OMT and my battery terminal is super loose. I’m thinking of returning it but if they’re all like that then it might have something to do with lessening the vibration
Excellent review , thanks
The screw that holds the blade in can come out and become lost (happened to my boss with his) and makes it a deal breaker for me, I think when they updated it they should have gone to starlock. Until Milwaukee updates to starlock I’ll stick with the Flex, otherwise it looks great
That's too bad. Hopefully they sell that screw as a replacement part!
I just saw project farm's latest video on multitools and the Flex is a great alternative to the M18 Fuel. It cuts almost ss fast, has the best features, best LED, competitive price and the starlock blade system. It's just a bit heavier, though.
Oof
Interesting, I've never had that happen to me in the several years I've been using them. I always just snug that screw down and then close the lever when i go to put it away. The screw has plenty of tension on it, so it never comes loose.
@@michaelwilliams5506 to be fair, my (ex) boss was letting his dumb@$$ teenage brother-in-law use it when the screw was lost lol
There’s no trigger like a power drill?
Nope. You might want to look at the DeWalt XR 20V multitool if you want a variable speed trigger.
I liked the variable speed adjustment. However, I’m sorry to say but the On/Off (switch) was definitely a (Game Over) feature for me. I hated it. I LOVE Milwaukee products but sadly, I had to return it to get the Dewalt brushless multi tool.
Interesting - I recently bought the DeWalt XR and Atomic models to try out. I like the variable speed trigger in combination with the 3 max speed settings that the XR has, but absolutely HATE the trigger with the Atomic which has no speed limiter settings.
Can’t stand the dewalt multi tool
@@mendoafgoo420 thats why im selling my dewalt set to get the milwaukee fuel!
How come they didn’t upgrade easy blade changing similar as Dewalt one. Disappointed 😞
The Dewalt easy blade change limits you to only slide in blades
Just purchased the old M18 model for $99.99 at HD comes with a 2.0 battery...
That's a great deal!
I can't believe they stuck with the stupid little hand threaded clamp for the Fuel. This was why I didn't want to get the non-fuel. If you need to change the blade when the tool is hot you can't just drop the blade out without touching the hot surface.
That’s one of the best parts the blade change. I hate the janky dewalt one that gets stuck and even when you depress the lever it doesn’t disengage. The only better mounting method would be the star lock
집진어테치먼트18bmt모델에도 착용가능 한가요?
The new 49-90-2420 dust collection attachment only works with the brushless FUEL M12 and M18 OMT versions. It's not backwards compatible with the older multitools.
Just bought the old version for $99 from Home Depot and it comes with a free battery. I’d sure take the $140 discount while it slightly vibrates more!
You can get the brushed for 99 dollars the brushless is 269 dollars keep your brushed
If you go off MSRP, it's $119 vs $229. The older one has been discounted more recently because the FUEL version is out. If you use it a lot, the improvements are worth the upgrade.
@@DoresoomReviews The brushed one is pretty good and the amount of usage at one time isn't that much and don't be sure the brushless will cut more
Fuel has same ocsillations per minute as non fuel. Non fuels only real difference is it doesnt have a light. Which is nice.
Oh, let me assure you, using these tools back to back is a night and day difference.
I had to replace the casing of mine because the the vibration ate trough the plastic where the battery clips hold. It also was starting to damage my battery clips. It did this on both casings. So i got refund and bought the Radio 😁.
Anyone else had this problem?
I hadn't hard of that failure mode. Thanks for reporting!
Awesome
Interesting. I own the old one and I thought that was fast ha
Your getting robbed in the states just paid £123 from the local retailers today for the exact same package when 229 doller means £188 over here
That's funny, I usually get comments about how cheap we get tools for in the US!
So still not a quick change........
...what?
@@jaggerbush2777 See star lock
Dewalt trigger is better
I have both and personally prefer the Milwaukee. The DeWalt Atomic version with no speed control other than the trigger is terrible to use. The DeWalt XR with three max speed settings and variable trigger is pretty useful though.
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Big sh ... all batterys moving
M12 sss
I have the M12 FUEL as well, but I don't see much advantage over the M18 FUEL with a compact battery. The M12 is still pretty big. I actually prefer the DeWalt 20V XR with a compact Powerstack battery if I want lightweight and a smaller grip for better control. But if I'm running an OMT for an extended time and need lots of power I still reach for the M18 FUEL every time.
Sorry cant afford these tools on a fixed income. Nice videos but not for me. Bye
Lots of ways to make on the side man don’t give up! Even online doing surveys and stuff if you are debilitated
Strange comment, why are you watching a review then
spend time making more money instead of watching youtube reviews of stuff you're not gonna buy if that's the case! you're hilarious!