The Coming Age of Data Moons
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- An exploration of the concept of data storage in airless moon environments and how we, and aliens may use to this to indefinitely preserve messages and information.
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Converting the moon into a giant library of all human knowledge would be very cool. Kinda poetic in a way.
Until the sun swallow it.
Because it's airless and at -200F underground, the storage servers CPU's would have lunar glass heatsinks. And almost superconductivity in the dies.
I imagine that in the far future, there will exist massive data vaults that contain data on every star, planet, moon, and galaxy in its proximity. Running off the energy of black holes far into the distant future.
What makes you think it's not already recording everything?
@ninjafrog86 I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic, that's what.
"That's no moon... It's a data centre!"
It'S too big to be a data center !
Bravo!
When he was talking about data storage....i had a feeling he was about to say "And thats why your data needs to be protected. NordVPN offers blah blah blah...."
“Data-moon” sounds like something straight outta 40K. 😆
Sounds like where a forge world stores all their blueprints
Or Doctor Who, which is an odd contrast… Eh, both British at least 😎🇬🇧
HAIL THE OMNISSIAH! AN STC FRAGMENT BLESSES US THIS DAY!
I was thinking of Orion's Arm.
Yay! I found my fellow 40K nerds!
So instead of a black monolith on the moon. It would be a series of giant black server racks. Gotcha.
Almost the same thing 😮
Oh damn, I caught a hot one off the griddle! Thanks John!
Thanks for the lulz!
Smokin' hot and oh so tasty! Ok, it might not be edible, but it sure is a delight to my other senses! Have a wonderful evening!
Dag yo! 🤣
Take a byte 😮
Egyptians make the best pyramids
Alien species leaving a record of their existence buried on the moon?
Man, have I got the 1968 film for you.
:0 :?
Deliberately buried, huh?
Yes, curious JMG didn't acknowledge it - or maybe he thought it was too obvious!
Young People... They haven't a clue.
Octopus or squid aliens finding our calamari recipes. LOL. 😂. I love you John
Squids will likely never evolve to a prototype capable of building Starships. That's why the Aliens that have already come here have a similar form.
A nice book: "How to serve ET".
@@FMDD168 They can evolve to build starships. Just because the ones in our oceans cannot doesn't mean others can't.
If the octopuses are aliens, they would've had to come here over 500 million years ago, right? If their ancestors have evolved, back on their home planet, for 500 million years since interstellar spaceflight... then we'd better hide those calamari recipes.
Not good!
Plot twist. It’s the Year 2074 and an expedition to the Apennine Mountains discover a regolith covered dome that contains a data storage facility. Contained in this facility is the entire history of an intelligent species that preceded the dinosaurs on Earth by hundreds of millions of years.
The Apennine Mountains on the moon or in Italy? 😊
And thus begins the greatest missing persons case in the history of the Solar System. What could cause such a presumably complex lifeform with presumably monumental environmental impact to just disappear from the fossil record, along with almost all of the presumably similarly complex life around them?
@@KingcoleIIVYes
@@fluffly3606Geological processes. It doesn't take that much, really.
@@davidwuhrer6704nah, the chemical signatures in ice and soil core samples would show traces of industry. We have already filled the whole world with microplastics. And there would be evidence of mining, infrastructure - I mean they are finding traces of primitive huts from 45,000 years ago. An advanced civilization would leave evidence.
I once read a comic where a group of astronauts arrive on a lifeless planet. They find pieces of a skeleton in the ground and begin to piece it together. After finishing their task they return to their spaceship. When the astronauts remove their helmets we see that they all are robots and when we see the "skeleton" they reconstructed we see that it is a wrecked Volkswagen Beetle.
Do you remember the name?
I'd like to read that
Why would robots need helmets?
@@davidwuhrer6704lead helmets to protect against solar flares, maybe.
What's the name of the comic
Will there be a Monolith?
There has to be a Monolith
“The Inner Light” is one of the best episodes of any sci-fi franchise, ever. I’ll never admit to this, but I tear up every time I see the episode or hear the Wind instrument Picard plays (that he learned to play in the 60 year lifetime that spanned 20 mins ).
Excellent reference!
@@cancermcaids7688he lived a simulated life that began at about 30 years old.
Its actually funny that the best scifi episode is so non-scifi. I mean most of the time it play picard being in an agcricultural society... 😂
Fiction mimics reality.
Something similar has probably actually happened, much like a past lifetime.
The end of the episode when Picard opens the case to see it was the flute is powerful stuff. Minimal dialogue with no music until the very end. Some of Patrick Stewart's finest work. My favorite TNG episode. And that's saying a lot.
I have the entire track, I've heard it described as a human life. It starts off quiet and simple, slowly builds in complexity, stays like that for a time, then gradually dies back down until it's just the penny whistle again which finally goes silent.
If I had anything played at my funeral, it would be that music.
In Star Trek cannon, Pluto is used as the Federation's data center due to the distance from the Sun.
I never caught that. Interesting. Which series and episode was this in?
@@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly I'm sorry I don't remember which one.
I believe I saw it on Spacedock.
Also, Data Moon is the name of a common prank seen on the Enterprise.
@@pauljensen5699Bro think harder. My life depends on it 😢
Parallels the Three Body Problem for similar reasons
JMG just doesn’t miss. glad ive been around since the early days. mad love for this man.
Here here ! No moss grows on this rolling stone ! 🥳
At night I play JMG for my 6 year old to fall asleep. He asked for "the space guy" and wanted a video about the moon. Dunno if that's what this is gonna be, but it has Moon in the title. Slow Arsenio roll to you, JMG.
THIS JUST IN! We've heard back from the aliens that intercepted Voyager!
" S e nd more Chuck Berry!"
Imagine they've been listening to all the sounds our planet makes and when they finally reach out they just want copies of David Bowie albums or something.
One can imagine a scenario--Mass Effect style--where we find entombed data centres on the moon. The records of a previous flowering of human culture lost between ice ages.
It is a little-known fact, but Picard was by training and inclination an Archaeologist.
The excellent short 'Protected Species' by HB Fyfe also comes to mind!
John Michael the 🐐ier
nice one lol
I love the idea of massive cloud data storage on the moon. 😮
@@cancermcaids7688Star storage
@@cancermcaids7688 Let's call it Lunar Storage.
@@cancermcaids7688 desert void storage? Low-G storage? Man-on-the-moon? My data is with the man on the moon? 🤣
You’re spoiling us with all these videos this week! I’m not complaining 😅
John you were the first subscription I had when I first got on UA-cam all so long ago and now I have many but your sill my favorite. No lie. Keep up the good work and thank you
You are one of my all time favorite channels. Thank you for all you do❤️🙏
Since our moon will be obliterated by the sun's red giant phase, that data needs to be billions of miles further out.
WHY though? What possible use would this be to us, or any sufficiently advanced civilisation to find it, travel to it, recover it, interface with it and translate it. It's one of the most egocentric, concepts in sci-fi. What do we think we have to teach them? We'll be lucky to pass on anything worthwhile to whatever civilisation might arise after ours collapses. As it stands, all we are is a salutory lesson in how civilisations collapse.
Which is why you don't put all your eggs in one basket. One data ark buried underground on Earth, one on the moon, and one on pluto.
@@JoesWebPresencethe same reason I suspect many of our ancestors made artwork on caves. With the conscious realization of their imminent demise individually and collectively plus their grief for their lost loved ones, they were saying: "we were here, we existed. Please don't forget us."
Yeah, today we can barely see what the Apollo missions left on the Moon with our probes orbiting our neighbor... So imagine what we could find with better resolution in the future!
Thanks, John!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Awesome as always Mr. Godier. Great job at making me think for a change!
Always enjoy listening. Thank you
Love that he pretty much described Splatoon lol
You mentioning squids and Octopuses as a potential next species after Humanity just makes me think of the Splatoon franchise since that's part of the origin story of that world. The games have some truly fascinating and thought provoking stuff. Like would they take up Turf Wars as a sport or would it be frowned upon due to the fact it stemed from war? If they do, would it be televised?
Those deep field star scapes are so impressive. We are lucky to be alive in this time. Pay phones, rotary phones have made way for cell and satellite phones.
I always enjoy your episodes
Always such a thought provoking and inspiring listen John, thank you! ‘Currently feeling the aftermath of a mind well beyond boggled’ 🤘🏽🏴☠️
Cuthulu will be their deity. Great video, John. Thanks!
That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die.
One of my favourite books is _a Canticle for Leibowitz_ which explores the idea of preserving the surviving remnants of man's scientific knowledge for future generations. In many ways it's very much cold war zeitgeist, but still a great book. Shame Walter M. Miller Jr. never finished any more novels, but I guess he had his demons. Shame.
JMG, evening, got my hot choccy. Life is good!
Enjoy your beverage and the video! Have a wonderful evening internet stranger! 😊☕🍻
Your videos are amazing. I like watching your videos.
Perfect timing thanks john
Thanks for this today, John.
Logged in just to give you a like, incredible ideas!
I immediately think of Scariff, from Star Wars, as a data storage vault. Great video!
This is a particularly interesting video-- thank you!
That last bit about finding some record on the Moon from an alien civilization is an exceptionally intriguing topic. Thanks JMG.
Definitely gives us something to ponder!
Interesting thanks for sharing
Dude. We DESPERATELY need a Star Trek with a SQUID captain! I've always wanted a new Star Trek with a Romulan captain. But a squid captain would beat the shit out of everything else. And a Vulcan octopus Exec Officer? They would spend half the show trying hard not to devour each other. It would be AMAZING! You'd still need a country Doctor from Georgia, though, just to spectate and make jokes.
The country doctor from Georgia could be an evolved talking white tail deer. With antlers. Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor not a moray eel.
@@JohnMichaelGodier LMAO! As a Georgian, that hits me especially deep in the feels. "Well, Spock, I guess I'm saying I may have worn your beak for a while, but I could never manipulate your suction cups..." Thank you for your response. I might print it out and frame it, like a letter from Brian Wilson or John Lennon. Have a great night, I've always loved your show!
Admiral Ackbar helming the Enterprise is the crossover I never knew I wanted.
Genetic engineering plus anthropomorphic extraterrestrials, not all of whom are Martian colonists, and things are going to look weird. More than Caitians, or those Sqids from Galaxy Quest. Maybe add mind uploading to the mix. Dammit, Jim, I'm a spaceship, not a doctor!
"No, I'm from Ohiowa, I only work in space."
In 2002, I interviewed a businessman who was working on permanent data storage on the moon. His idea was that putting the data in a capsule and sending it to the moon would be the best way to keep it secure and intact for very long periods of time. It's good to see this concept finally being taken up again. Watching the video, however, I have to wonder what existing digital technology could really withstand cosmic rays and lunar temperatures over decades.
You’re awesome John Michael Godier, from my atoms to yours
It's still so baffling to me that all our videos, photos, etc. Are just Zero's and one's. Then a cpu converts that data into data we can recognize. Also fiber optic cables and being able to transfer tons of data with laser light beams thru thin pieces of glass.. Wi-Fi.. TV displays.. It's mind boggling and awesome
So, I see a notification in my app, notice the face next to it and I think I hit "Play" before it could even finish loading the handful of new videos I subscribe to. Never a disappointment! 😊❤
The Remembrance of Earth's Past series includes a museum of humanity on Pluto. The moon being a good choice depends on whether humans ever find anything interesting to do on/with it. Likely we'd want to put something on the moon first, and then shortly after start considering other locations.
the fact that you were able to avoid referencing _2001_ near the end is proof you're a better man than i am
If the Moon is where we go to remember, where in the heavens do we go to forget?
Beyond Uranus. No one wants to remember that.
I don't have anything smart to ask or comment, I just want to say "thank you" for another interesting video which accompanies my Monday morning coffee before I go to work.
"That's not a space station"- H. Solo
Is Captain Picard aware Data has his own moon?!!😱😱
Just like Quark's brother!
I think he's seen Data's "Moon" (rear) in a moment of drunken levity.
@@vorlonesque1830 I got one word for you, Quark. Weapons. Nobody ever went broke selling weapons.
The Inner Light is brilliant. ❤
Now this is a good one
Squibbons, from The Future is Wild.
The "Inner Light" is my favorite TNG episode.
Estos videos son una joyota
awesome!
Imagine exploring seemingly dead planets for evidence of previous life would be awesome and i have no doubt will happen if we survive long enough. Its like an expansion on us looking through the layers on earth for prehistoric life
Blessing us everday 🎉
Perfect timing. I feel drowsy now.
Me Too 😎 🥱😴💤
We should constantly tight beam the information to Earth or at least place some sort of powerful beacon such that any technological species that appears can expedite learning from whatever mistake destroyed us. Nuclear beacons with long LONG half lifes would be best I think but something needs it to occasionally scream, HERE I AM back to Earth. Imagine is suddenly humans had access to Alien Internet.
Suppose there IS such a thing. The first post-apocalyptic civilization with radio would own the future. Hmmm.
Forward this message to ten other civilisations and win a prize
I imagine the most pressing reason would be to protect our knowledge from an extinction event, i.e. asteroid. Some people will definitely survive, so it would be nice to have access to knowledge to rebuild. And also key people must be invited to repopulate. Very doable with current day technology in my layman's vantage point.
Thanks
The far future squid civilization that will rule Earth will be led by Ika Musume (Squid Girl). She might have had a false start in the anime/manga series, she'll get her wish and conquer Earth in the future.
I cannot say how much I enjoy this stuff...
...I am going to sleep now zzzz
The Star by A C Clark had a civilization destroyed by unstable solar system Star but some records placed on furthest planetary body.
Makes me wonder whether this has already happened. Maybe someone has already left records for us to discover...
Maybe I should have watched the entire video before commenting as John goes on to speculate exactly that!
Brilliant
The intro sequence of The Expanse pretty much shows the future imho.
The only problem I see with a rock moon like our own is the cooling of what is basically a huge computer cluster since you don't have any readily available fluid such as air or water to circulate and remove the residual heat. I think one of the ice shell moons would be much better in that regard since their oceans are very deep, and basically an infinite heat sink. A source of energy there could be capturing the electromagnetic flux from Jupiter's magnetosphere with coils spread at the surface.
Why not simply radiate off the heat from the dark side?
Even with an ocean bigger than Earth, your heat sink is limited in size and loses efficiency over time. Radiation is the way to go.
Hm, the equilibrium heat looks suspiciously like a brown dwarf…
*Dr. Moon:* Now. Listen. This is important. There’s the real world. And there’s the world of nightmares. That’s right, isn’t it? You understand that.
*Little Girl:* Yes I know, Dr. Moon.
*Dr. Moon:* What I want you to remember is this-and I know it’s hard-the real world is a lie, and your nightmares are real. The Library is real. There are people trapped in there. People who need to be saved. The shadows are moving again. Those people are depending on you. Only you can save them. Only you.
The Moon talking to the Library computer - Doctor Who... Silence in the Library.
Another classic.
But will humans learn from the past into the future?😊?
Good stuff JMG.
KEEP them comming❤
Remember the Jupiter-sized computer in The Expanse? Still trips me out imagining that much data.
Are you talking about the show where humanity goes to other celestial bodies?
Farther from the sun, safer for longer, theoretically.
I expected t his to be about orbital server farms, that might grow to planetoid size, not about caches on existing moons.
Space-Time-Capsule would be nice: A data storage in a big orbit, that makes it secure for hundreds of years.
Nice.
Star Trek Squid would have TOS episodes where they'd come to a planet and instead of the molten lava it would just be land and they'd be like.. can anyone live down there? And then Squid Abraham Lincoln would show and hilarity ensues.
I'd like to think the next generation of Squidfolk are appreciative of your humility and love for knowledge. If not, at the very least you know I do ✌️
"Primates of Earth" Season 6,000,000
Squid TV. Endless repeats of "It's a trap!"
Moon as a data center? Could work!
Tagged for bedtime in two or three hours
From Data Moon, we're just one step away to Quantum Moon, Outer Wilds style.
Okay maybe more than one step...
Cool.
Sir JMG christmas has come too early way too many uploads too sink my teeth into
Moon lacks the forcefield (atmosphere) and it's close proximity to a larger body makes it a target for meteorites etc. (1178 event that may have created the Giordano Bruno crater).
Laser relay data to the Pluto or some lonely body/satellite in the outskirts of the solar system would take time but it's the safest option.
I'm not sure Pluto is any safer from meteorites than the moon. Pluto crosses Neptune's orbit, while Earth is the biggest of the rocky planets and has mostly cleared its orbit since the Late Heavy Bombardment.
No, we live in an Information Society.
"Pure energy" *dance beat starts* *thump thump thump thump* "Pure energy"
Just the other day I saw another video talking about the fragility of information nowdays. Our datastorage is very transient and ever changing, there are a lot of information stored in floppy disks that's almos inaccesible and may be even damaged after all this time. CDs and DVDs don't last long, even well preserved inside a case and not touched. Magnetic datastore is SUPER delicate and hard disks can suffer from physical damage as well. Worst of all to long datastorage are solid state disks... those thigs have a cycle limit and can me disrupted heavily by radiation... we need to find long lasting and easily accesible datastorage. Quartz + laser storage is being investigateds and developed, but will need a loooong time to get a grip on the market
Real men don't make back-ups.
They store their data via FTP and let the world mirror it.
Actually originally clicked on this because of a weird art event I went to at a gallery where a researcher at the local university had to destroy some absolutely massive amount of data, genomics data namely, so an event was made of it and a bunch of us weirdos came by to destroy all this tape, and even take some of it home as souvenirs.
Anyway, I bring this up because the amount of data we collectively destroyed was so massive that it was equivalent to destroying a small moon from a sort of "informational equivalence" perspective. That is, if you measured the embodied "information" of a small moon, it would be equivalent to all this genomics data that was destroyed.
Only tangentially related, but it's a fun story. I blew up a small moon (kind of).
There's an awesome sci-fi short story called "The Frost Giant's Data" The author is escaping me right now. Was in a great anthology from a few years ago. The protagonist uses up clones of himself to breach a data moon.
‘Squid game’ repeats after 5 million years.
As a data center HVAC tech im not sure how I feel about moon data centers.
Sounds like I'm out of a job on one hand.
Sounds pretty effing cool on the other.
hahaha... fried calamari ! that was great.
Really interesting and deep discussion. I tend to wonder if, for example, an alien mission came through our star system at some point, how far they might actually go with a database? We humans can conceive of our own space-faring future, where we employ a Prime Directive. Would a wholly alien race necessarily conceive of a similar protocol? Would they even see a need for it?
If I was an alien civilization sending space probes, I might not bother with the Solar system. It is currently not a good stepping stone between other systems, which would otherwise be a good reason to swing by the inner system at high speed.
If I had the resources to spare, I'd send a probe to the Jupiter system. Jupiter has 74% of the entire planetary mass, so it's a good target. And it is close enough to the Sun that you can detect the inner planets from there. I don't know if I would bother going there though, Jupiter itself has dozens of moons, and Saturn has dozens more plus an intriguing ring system. And beyond Neptune are dwarf planets with atmosphere and fascinating geological features.
Of the inner planets, Earth is the most interesting for two reasons: It has a proportionally gigantic moon, and it has enough free oxygen to indicate the presence of native life. The question is if either of that is really unusual.
The moon can be observed from Jupiter and is rather boring in itself (although almost big enough and close enough to be classed as a twin planet).
And alien life is almost certain to be chemically toxic to any other biosphere, and might be common as dirt. Plus, for two thirds of its history, the most complex life forms on Earth were bacteria.
Even if there was intelligent life, it is not certain that communication could be established: Trees use pheromones very similar to our own peptides, and we don't really publish papers together. (I mean… you know what I mean.) Starfish are animals like us and have a completely different conception of time, how count you even count out numbers to them? Whales are mammals like us and use sound to communicate like us, and we are lucky if we catch some of them calling each other by name. (The dolphins are showing interest in having sex with us, so there is that, although it can be lethal to humans. Similarly, humans occasionally like to rub their noses in the genitalia of certain plants for some reason, which is also rarely good for the plant in question.)
But even if we could establish communications (radio has some frequencies that aren't used by natural phenomena), we'd still need a way to detect each other. It is astronomically unlikely that we would detect an alien space probe, and even more unlikely that if we did, we could recognise it as such.
And if, against all odds, we did establish contact, we might wish we hadn't. Oxygen is almost certain to be deadly to them, whatever they are breathing (or whatever their equivalent is) would almost certainly kill us, and who knows, maybe they would want to rub their noses in our genitals like we do with flowers.
We'd need to use quartz drives, so that they last for hundreds of billions of years.
Howener, on that time scale, planetary collisions with asteroids would pose a hazard, so we'd need to put these drives on many moons.
Is a quartz drive actually a thing, or just an idea?
@@richardconway6425 I'm not sure if they've actually been produced, but I believe they were shown to work experimentally with a prototype purportedly being constructed. My point there really is that we'd need to find a storage medium that is degradation-proof.
Quartz? I'm not sure. I was thinking clay/stone myself. If you need to be advanced to recover the data, it would fail at being an ark.
There's an scp story called Thassalomania or The Dreams of the First Born that your ending musings reminded me of. It's number 4246. Its fantastic, albiet very lovecraftian. buckle up buttercups, its going to be an inky ride!!!
Sigmund the sea monster liiiiiiives.