Things that can't reliably hit a Kremlin citadel: 18" Thunderer, Ohio and Yamato shells. 16" BB shells. 15" BB shells. 230-240mm cruiser shells from all other nations. Things that can reliably hit a Kremlin citadel: STRONK RUSSIAN 220mm CRUISER SHELLS Ludicrous. They just can't help themselves at this point, Russian shell performance buffed to ridiculous levels.
You know what they say mate... Shoot moons with your Ohio at a sideways Kremlin and you will ricochet, but shoot tiny communist pebbles and Stalin himself wiill guide it into the fuel tank.
"World of Warships is a naval action MMO, dipping into the world of large-scale sea battles of the first half of the twentieth century" ... in some parallel Soviet Universe
Russian Ships: DD: Basically cruisers "LIGHT" Cruiser: The only thing that can cit a Kremlin other than hakuryu Actual Light cruiser (smolensk): Most broken HE spammer in game "Heavy" cruiser (Stalin/Moskva): similar "LIGHT" cruiser guns with standard bb armor BBs: Best armor, best AA, best accuracy, best turret traverse, best captain, best HP out of all bb lines CANT WAIT FOR THE RUSSIAN CV LINE!
Introduces balans ship. Everybody cries. Introduces new balans ship to balans balans. More people cry. Aaand now introduces balans ship to balans anti-balans ship. Member when Euro had a "How to Moskva" video where he said "the most overpowered guns put on a cruiser? That was before Stalin, before Kremlin (admit it, not a BB, its a super-superheavy cruiser), before Smolensk, and now.... THIS!
I like difference between flamu and flambass's videos. Flamu is like ya it's ok but moskava is better. Flambass "what have you done!?!?!" I feel that flamu didn't correct for the increase in penetration like flambass did. You even hear flambass exclaiming "overpens??!" Then he aims at citadel to see.
Playerbase: "When will we get italian BBs ? There are also plenty of real ships left to join the game like the USS California." WG: "Look what we have here for you. The glorious soviet Battleships, designed with better guns, better Armor and better AA to overpower inferior ships from other nations. But they turn a little badly." Playerbase: "Okeey. But when will we get italian BBs and USS California ?" WG: "Here comes the famous Smolensk ! Designed without any flaws by the well renown soviet naval egineering." Playerbase: "... WHEN WILL WE GET ITALIAN BBS AND USS CALIFORNIA ? WG: "We got what you ve been waiting for, the soviet Cruiser split ! Unlike inferior Cruisers from other Nations, they also can do what Battleships are able to. But they turn not that well." Playerbase: "...bye"
Kremlin has terrible AA,it doesnt even exist when theres HE spam and in a single salvo Des Moins can take out 20% of it. She has the biggest disadvantage regarding AA because the modules doent withstand the HE spam. (Of course when theres a cv thats not important).
WG "We now bring you the glorious soviet aircraft carrier line. The red airforce can make up to 10 runs per squadron with nearly invincible red airforce planes. It also has 220mm secondaries with 15 kilometer range that can citadel battleships"
Ofc they did. Plus they cleared an Atlantic ocean of German U boats, russian carriers saved Americans at Midway, then the wiped out Pacific ocean of all IJN ships .. and what else ... ? Oh wait, Tsushima defeat is just an imperialist propaganda.
@@TiOBu4 Nooo, Moskva AP is far superior to Hindenberg in terms of penetration at all ranges and trajectory. Only thing it gives up is alpha. DM actually has better pen angles, but otherwise also loses to Moskva. Different uses, different strengths. DM isn't going to be racking cits at 19km like Moskva can.
@@enyaliosares4301 I know, but there is an upcoming new so called light cruiser that seems quite scary. I played a couple of battles in it and I'll wait to see what flambass thinks about it when he will test it himself.
@@ciprianmihaila4050 technically the light cruiser is not replacing Moskva, this is. Moskva is heavy cruiser, so is this. Nevskiy is just taking moskvas place and if pavlovsk didn't come out, moskva would br at it's place.
flambino face when he cits the kremlin and realises it has better pen than 380mm bismark guns xD. im just puting facts, search it, petropablosk has better pen and improved pen angles. the pinacle of russian engineering for their paper navi.
@@silincer5186 So? The Yoshino has other strengths and weaknesses, the Petro's entire gimmick is built around its AP pen....and there is nothing inherently wrong with citadeling a broadside BB at close ranges.
7:52 The moment Flambass discovers that the Petropavlovsk its 220mm guns have similar penetration to the German 380mm guns, but with better pen angles, much better dispersion, shorter flight and fuse times. Yea, totally balanced tovarish.
@Hal Swan Not in WoWs, I'm afraid. Due to how the angling system works, and a mechanic called "autobounce", at higher tiers most battleships are essentially immune to AP rounds from most guns they face, if they are bow-on. The only ship that can consistently target nearly all vessels on the bow is yamato thanks to her 480mm guns and a mechanic called "overmatch".
WG: *Makes Petropavlovsk - another paper ship that wasn't even supposed to exist on paper (it is apparently a "Project 82" design, which included the cruisers Moskva, Stalingrad and Kronshtadt)* Flambass: *Kills Kremlin with citadels, kills Smolensk with citadels* I used the bias to destroy the bias. Bloody hell this is actually funny now XD
Wait for this: When Flambass played the AL Nevsky(the light cruiser) in his next stream, he citadelled the bias out of an enemy Petropavlovsk. There's even twitch clips of this www.twitch.tv/flambass/clip/BombasticPerfectWebFloof?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time.
And spotting range under radar range. That was the only advantage a radar on a Mino had. Of course it is one of the best armored cruisers in the game, too. Would be a shame if it had some disadvantages
I can´t think of any large warship that actually existed that had this feature, but it´s extremely useful in game. So of course the soviet fantasy ship would have this ability.
Well. If it was such a good and easy feature to implement on a ship that was actually built, surely we would have it on all ships of that time with this kind of gun size. It is just silly... I would maybe buy that with a light cruiser, but on a Not-A-Battleship?
@@DuduDruidDotCom full 360° rotation wasnt possible because of the cables from electronic equipment. doing a full turn would snap the cables and disable the entire turret unless you waste materials to produce longer cables that could be layed in a way that wouldnt rip them apart for at least a few rotations. but why do that when you can build 2 regular ships with the amount of cables needed to have one ship with 360° rotatable turrets.
"Russian bias isn't a thing." Ever notice how almost every Russian ship ends up being incredibly OP breaks the game, and defies physics being able to out damage and penetrate things over double the caliber? And even light Russian ships are tanks. Honestly its interesting that the accuracy does noticeable get worse when shooting at Russian ships. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they had a system where aiming a Russian ship, the dispersion is increased by a certain percentage.
I don't know, try sailing broadside in a Moskva against a BB....any player that knows how to aim will splatter your remains all over the ocean in one salvo.
"Still keeps the russian perks" a.k.a: USN AP angles (nerfed to "only" 50 degrees as of last log, still better than most other nations) British AP fuse Stalinium armor French Penetration IJN accuracy Soviet "close range dispersion"
Well to be fair, US CA pen angles are 60-67.5 unlike the Petro with 50-65 degrees. Normal cruisers get 45-60 degrees and Stalin is in a weird spot with 55-65 degrees. That being said, when you have ~250 mm more penetration than the DM at all ranges, does the angle really matter? Shots that don't bounce with a DM will shatter, whereas Petro will probably be able to punch through and penetrate. Hell, it has ~150 mm more pen than the Moskva at all ranges. Remember when people thought Moskva had great penetration for a cruiser? For more context, its penetration is about the same as Bismarck's 380 mm guns, but with better penetration angles because balanz tovarisch
I just got to play Russian ships recently because Moskva is gonna go and my friends start to play them. I refuse to play them before but to understand if it’s really powerful I have to try and yeah...They’re so easy to play.
Moskva is not going to go. Moskva is moved to armory for coal, that's all. But yeah, i grinded my ass off from chapayev down to moskva, so now i have a free coal ship 😊
@@NickySRT the difference is russia actually HAD amazing tanks. Russia barely had a navy in ww2 and it certainly wasn't better then any of the major powers in that war, italy included.
When I shoot Kremlin with my fully upgraded, legendary module Yamato, I have to carefully aim under the turrets to get maybe 1 or 2 citadels, because if I aim directly underneath the smokestacks sometimes citadels just won't come (I've tested this in training battles as well). Meanwhile, you're telling me a cruiser is fully able to citadel a Kremlin not once, but 6 times in the span of 10 seconds?! Damn dude
7:51 ''are you gonna overpen that? '' *5 CITADELS ON THE KREMLIN IN ONE SALVO* I've never citadeled a Kremlin in my entire life and I'm a battleship player. You did 25 citadels in one game and I can do days without citadeling... At all.
Pobeda: I'm the most OP ship in WOWS Smolensk: Hold my beer! Petropavlovsk: Amateurs... Like seriously, who in WG was so crazy to put Pobeda guns on a cruiser and lower their reload to ~10 secs? :O
He was sub 8km away. Stalingrad can cit battleships at range without flinching. I agree though, if it makes it into the game like this, no point in Stalingrad.
Oh, i see many Hungarians in randoms. btw Check out the streamer SRB_nele, his stream is multi-language and he says explicitly that it is for whole Balkan. He speaks, dunno, maybe 5 languages or so
Cruiser mains: "I keep getting oneshot by BBAP! Why can every class devstrike others except cruisers! Waah!" Wargaming: "Hold my absolut vodka, my friend, and watch..."
"It's Russian, of course they had to get a proper tier 12 cruiser" you mean tier twelvesk. welcome to World of Russian Fantasies. WORF for short. btw, the only reason you were overpenning the Kremlin was because you were aiming too high and overpenning the superstructure. as soon as you aimed lower, you citadeled the fuck out of it. how could you not see this?
I was perfectly fine with my Moskva, since like any ship (except almost all russian ships at this point, except Khaba), it had its drawbacks. But this is just ridiculous. It is bs like this, WG is ruining the game with.
@@Gulaschiltis True. I own a Moskva and imo its balanced, especially because of her abyssmal concealment. But it seems WG is sneeking around this with the Petro. How on earth can they justify a concealment of 11.1km on this monster !?
10 months ago. CCs get the chnce to test the New T10 Russian BB Pobeda: "WTF is this??! This is so broken! Can you possibly make something more OP?" WG: "Hold my vodka"
Instead of making ships like the Chaba relevant again, they add one BS game ruining paper ship after the other... Like wtf, The Smolensk with longer range torps, hydro, more, but the same guns, smoke, heal AND better detection has longer range than the Chaba, yet you have to add the next OP russian balans crap... screw you WG
I started laughing out loud since the first citadel , Flambino's surprise was priceless. Always good to know though…. I thought only Klingons and Romulans could paddle Russian stronk flagships.
Flambass no surprise I have been watching videos on the Petropavlovsk all week and it has been citadel city with this cruiser. Do a search on UA-cam and watch all the vids and you will see this cruiser go against battleships, battlecruisers, and other ships like it was nothing. The overall parameters on this ship will be reduced after getting feedback from the CCs but at it current state it is too powerful for now. Just imagine no changes and this ship gets released to the live servers as it is. Commanders will be playing the game like crazy grinding through the light cruiser line to Tier 8, Tallinn and Riga to get the ship. Your reaction during the battle was definitely my first reaction when I saw this ship take on a battleship and win, thanks for the video.
Most of the time I'm watching Flambass he's like: *this ship is shet, it does not work, yada-yada-yada* the following seconds after he says that, instant citadel, instant double kill, devastating strike,Kraken and so on. It''s like somebody from WG is watching he's the stream and changes the RNG on spot. Anyway, respect Flambass for the work you re doing, you and Jingles are the reason why I started to play this game. Have fun and stay safe
WG did their research, they spent millions of man hours going to Soviet Naval archives. They found that the Soviet navy had railguns . We all know WG would never miss lead us about something like this. They are honest as the day is long.🤪 Can’t wait for the Soviet CV!🤮
What sights do Flambass use since he can take so few "bars" lead shooting at that Smolensk cross the map? If I had taken that shot I would have been forces do lead 15+?! Or is he really zoomed out? like 2-3 scroll ticks?
It is really annoying with all these russian premiums being released in the game for one of the most insignificant navies of WW2.... They should focus more on the other nations instead. (imo)
They were/are an insignificant navy at all. But there‘s nothing loke propaganda! If there has never been a poweful navy, let‘s make up one and furthermore let‘s pretend it was the strongest one that has ever existed... In the end it‘s just WG’s and probably some other fellow russians‘ way of saying: we don‘t give a flying fart. Behaviour of a small man driving a huge car as a compensation...
Since wg buffed plating on Moskva when Stalin came out to keep it relevant, and this Petropavlovsk has the same guns, then clearly Moskva is getting the same ridiculous pen that this thing has for good measure right? cause we clearly need more balance in this game da.
Forget the balance, this is WG strategy to get their money. Like in WoT, they bring constantly new and better ships/tanks they are way more powerful and player spending more money on flags, premium, camo to get them. This is just business.
@@heardistance God, this so much. Have people forgotten Conqueror when she was first released? That thing absolutely annihilated the BB meta (randoms at least)...at least until she was nerfed into an unplayable state.
if you spot bias, to gulag you go! Radar over detection range, obviously best pen of any cruiser atm, lazergun accuracy with high shell velocity, decently armoured, and the turrets will stay on target, no matter what maneuvers you have to pull. Bravo WG, you are outdoing yourself with ruining this game.
Flambino, not quite sure but the RU CA line also has the speshul dispersion formula of the RU BB line, better at close range, progressively worse at long range, hence the citadels.
Yep, apparently those shells have the same penetration as 380mm shells at max range. At short ranges the pen should be even better + dispersion is also so much more reliable.
I saw the stream and there was quite some discussion and assumptions regarding that ship that were incorrect... - It has very high pen, slightly better pen angles (not DM level!), short fuse (not UK level) and 360° turrets. - It will overpen due to the high velocity but this is somewhat counteracted by the short fuse - It is harder to citadel submerged or low citadels due to the very straight flight of the projectiles. Flambass was wondering why He citadelled a Kremlin but not a Montana. Well the Kremlin Cita sits relatively high. - It has a giant 25mm nose. This is NOT Moskva level (which has a tiny 25mm nose). It can somewhat bowtank but BBs will murder it. I am NOT saying this ship aint good. However there are some things people tend to forget when they see broadside citadels flying around. A DM would have murdered most of the targets even faster tbh.
I've had no problem citadeling Iowa, yamato or Montana for that matter with my DM, but the fkn kremlin is bullet proof even for yamato 18" rounds at fkn 10km
Firstly, I hope we get that facial expression as a meme for wows. @07:53 I put in a refund form on steam. @09:53 I started to panic as steam hadn't responded to my refund claim yet. @10:30 I finished this post and through my laptop out my flat window. ZZ109
I didn't expect a less broken ship after the soviets BB and smolensk/stalingrad, WG do their best to conquer the heart of russian player, more and better OP ships, disgusting ...
BBs that just over-pen cruisers on a full Broadside - Check Cruisers at close Range that can Destroy BBs - Check CV that can Destroy BBs - Check Subs that can annoy, destroy and troll BBs - Check Perfect back to the SIT AT THE BACK OF THE MAP Strategy - Check
Petropavlovsk has the new improved super hypersonic ballistic tipped shells the A.P. shells will shred anything and everything in game. The H.E. will Explode enemy ships off the map and back into port for major refit and repairs. Hurry before time runs out and there are no other nations ships to wreck get your Petropavlovsk now before the AA gets nerfed and the ship re-balanced to be stronger than it was before introduction.
Well they found a way to balans Kremlin and Smolensk. German supercruisers can't get short fuses. Only russians can citadel Smolensk! Japanese superbattleships can't pen Kremlin's armor. Only russians can citadel Kremlin!
I can't get enough of his reactions. I giggle like a school girl when he slaps the Venezia. I mean, you know it's an overpowered ship when Flambass asks "What the fuck IS this thing?" after playing one game in the ship. xD
To top it off it apparently has the best gun angles of any ship in the game. So that huge turning radius, arguably the only difficulty this ship has, isn't even as much a thing as for ships that actually have to turn.
Things that can't reliably hit a Kremlin citadel: 18" Thunderer, Ohio and Yamato shells. 16" BB shells. 15" BB shells. 230-240mm cruiser shells from all other nations.
Things that can reliably hit a Kremlin citadel: STRONK RUSSIAN 220mm CRUISER SHELLS
Ludicrous. They just can't help themselves at this point, Russian shell performance buffed to ridiculous levels.
You know what they say mate... Shoot moons with your Ohio at a sideways Kremlin and you will ricochet, but shoot tiny communist pebbles and Stalin himself wiill guide it into the fuel tank.
But... I can reliably citadel Kremlins in my Yamato, Montana, GK and Repu if they give me the same broadside they gave Flambass here...
@@SwedishFarmer94 Don't spout nonsense.
220mm shells = 220meters if penetration comrade
Now this is a good time to grind russian cruiser line
"World of Warships is a naval action MMO, dipping into the world of large-scale sea battles of the first half of the twentieth century" ... in some parallel Soviet Universe
Russian Ships:
DD: Basically cruisers
"LIGHT" Cruiser: The only thing that can cit a Kremlin other than hakuryu
Actual Light cruiser (smolensk): Most broken HE spammer in game
"Heavy" cruiser (Stalin/Moskva): similar "LIGHT" cruiser guns with standard bb armor
BBs: Best armor, best AA, best accuracy, best turret traverse, best captain, best HP out of all bb lines
CANT WAIT FOR THE RUSSIAN CV LINE!
Russian CV... speacial abilty...Tsar Bomba, kills entire team with 1st strike... completely balanz comrade!
fullbacks with god damned antiship missiles...
It will fly smolensks as attack planes, thunders as bombers and shimakazes as torpedo bombers.
Russian CV line is just nuclear missles which insta-detonate all ships in 5km radius.
Russian cv line: come with ballistic missile
"You're gonna overpen that?"
Petro: "no"
"God, have mercy!"
Petro: "also no"
there is no god in communist russia, comrade :D
@@clefsan Yes there is only STALIN xD
Russian bias and the PR debacle are exactly why I stopped giving money to WG and deleted my account.
Introduces balans ship. Everybody cries. Introduces new balans ship to balans balans. More people cry. Aaand now introduces balans ship to balans anti-balans ship.
Member when Euro had a "How to Moskva" video where he said "the most overpowered guns put on a cruiser? That was before Stalin, before Kremlin (admit it, not a BB, its a super-superheavy cruiser), before Smolensk, and now.... THIS!
7:53
Flambass: "This almost seems like a normal ship!"
Flambass ~60s later: "OMG WTF HAVE THEY DONE?!?!"
"seems"
RUSSIAN BIAS OP
Have yeah checked out Flamu's first impression of the Nevsky "light cruise"?
6:34 time stamp.
also, cute picture of Sanae Kochiya
I like difference between flamu and flambass's videos. Flamu is like ya it's ok but moskava is better. Flambass "what have you done!?!?!"
I feel that flamu didn't correct for the increase in penetration like flambass did. You even hear flambass exclaiming "overpens??!" Then he aims at citadel to see.
I have an idea for a balance update: Remove russian tech tree.
Or remove rng so bbs can mess these ships up like in the old days
Nah they should remove all non-russian lines...that way it will all be balans if you know what i mean :))
Remove all SOVIET ships, Russian ships are fine
@Mac J 3 more balans lines? COOL
@Mac J that is excatly what they are doing, however the Mecha Godzilla will be replaced with something from Russia.
it's incredible how Tsushima is hurting the Russians so bad even after 115 years
Nice...
Explains a lot about Wargaming and other Russian devs lmao
Relax, I doubt Tsushima has anything to do with it. Just good ol' money making from the russian playerbase.
Lol, you win. Well played.
@@awizardlizard6793 The Russian server is supposed to be their least profitable, though largest, playerbase.
This is fine, but let's nerf Odin's HP and Aegir's range, just to be safe.
And buff the armor of RIGA
Jake and nerf the HP again on Odin, sounds fair and balanced
Everybody used to joke, "battleship moskva". WG goes, hold my vodka.
This week, in the continuing fantastic adventures of the imaginary Soviet Navy......
Russian Navy has always been a joke, who the hell are they trying to kid?
@@roybaker6902 the USN
Thats the whole point of world of warships
Playerbase: "When will we get italian BBs ? There are also plenty of real ships left to join the game like the USS California."
WG: "Look what we have here for you. The glorious soviet Battleships, designed with better guns, better Armor and better AA to overpower inferior ships from other nations. But they turn a little badly."
Playerbase: "Okeey. But when will we get italian BBs and USS California ?"
WG: "Here comes the famous Smolensk ! Designed without any flaws by the well renown soviet naval egineering."
Playerbase: "... WHEN WILL WE GET ITALIAN BBS AND USS CALIFORNIA ?
WG: "We got what you ve been waiting for, the soviet Cruiser split ! Unlike inferior Cruisers from other Nations, they also can do what Battleships are able to. But they turn not that well."
Playerbase: "...bye"
Also Player base: when are we getting the odd tier CVs again?.......hello?
It's hilarious when you think that all of this happened in the span of a year, an entire year dedicated to soviet bias, just pathetic
Kremlin has terrible AA,it doesnt even exist when theres HE spam and in a single salvo Des Moins can take out 20% of it. She has the biggest disadvantage regarding AA because the modules doent withstand the HE spam. (Of course when theres a cv thats not important).
@@Miquiya It all started with the Stalingrad. WG went full Bananas from then on.
WG "We now bring you the glorious soviet aircraft carrier line. The red airforce can make up to 10 runs per squadron with nearly invincible red airforce planes. It also has 220mm secondaries with 15 kilometer range that can citadel battleships"
Ah yes the russian navy. I heard they sank the bismarck. Kekw
They also hard carried the Pacific War
actually sank the Hood too. it was a stray shot from shooting at the Bismark from the Arctic Circle.
Ah yes the russian navy. I heard they sank.
Ofc they did. Plus they cleared an Atlantic ocean of German U boats, russian carriers saved Americans at Midway, then the wiped out Pacific ocean of all IJN ships .. and what else ... ? Oh wait, Tsushima defeat is just an imperialist propaganda.
Xaxaxa comrade midway was saved by the russians and yamato was sank by russian BB yes
From high command: send the file to rear admiral jingles for evaluation immediately :)
10:42
“ *TWWEEEENTYYYY-FIVE-CITADELZZZ* “
My sides. I can’t stop laughing. We’ve reach speeds of *MAXIMUM BIAS* in World of Warships.
TWENTY EIGHT STAB WOUNDS!
It went plaid.
Wait till they split the French lines... French small caliber AP is at least as stupid .
The face when he looked to the camera HAHAHA
BBs aimed perfectly at citadels : Overpens
Moskva's 220MM guns : Any range is citadel blyat!
Me: It's uninstall time, blyat!
The Moskva has worse guns and shells than the Petro. Less pen, velocity, accuracy, doesn't have the improved AP angles, and no 360 traverse.
Moskva ap is nothing special, Hinden and DM have a better one
@@TiOBu4 Nooo, Moskva AP is far superior to Hindenberg in terms of penetration at all ranges and trajectory. Only thing it gives up is alpha. DM actually has better pen angles, but otherwise also loses to Moskva. Different uses, different strengths. DM isn't going to be racking cits at 19km like Moskva can.
Exactly what we needed, like the other new Russian "light" cruiser...
Oct8pus Gaming this is a heavy cruiser replacing Moskva
@@enyaliosares4301 no this is the new line, the one replacing Moskva is a "light" cruiser...its not
@@enyaliosares4301 I know, but there is an upcoming new so called light cruiser that seems quite scary. I played a couple of battles in it and I'll wait to see what flambass thinks about it when he will test it himself.
Ciprian Mihaila no. This is the heavy cruise line. A split branch much akin to the light cruisers of the Americans. Branching at tier 8
@@ciprianmihaila4050 technically the light cruiser is not replacing Moskva, this is. Moskva is heavy cruiser, so is this. Nevskiy is just taking moskvas place and if pavlovsk didn't come out, moskva would br at it's place.
flambino face when he cits the kremlin and realises it has better pen than 380mm bismark guns xD.
im just puting facts, search it, petropablosk has better pen and improved pen angles. the pinacle of russian engineering for their paper navi.
Bismarck would fail EPICALLY in such a confrontation.
We are assuming the Bismarck even hits the enemy ship past spitting distance...
@@deathsdentist Heck, I'd be happy if the Bismarck would hit ships IN spitting distance.
@@Schnittertm1 yup, i remember some botched 3km broadside shots. Aim? Perfect. Hit? HAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH GASSSSSSSPPPPPPP HHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA!
@@TurboBMRProjectLove Many a perfect broadside shot got taken by the RNGods when playing german BBs
At first I was like ok this seems fine a little a strong, and then he citadelled the Kremlin...
Broadside....at close range.
Yoshino can't even hit the citadel of Kremlin even with a broadside like that. And Yoshino has 310 mm guns.
@@silincer5186 learn how to aim.
Ok! Please show me a clip where Yoshino can citadel Kremlin like that.
@@silincer5186 So? The Yoshino has other strengths and weaknesses, the Petro's entire gimmick is built around its AP pen....and there is nothing inherently wrong with citadeling a broadside BB at close ranges.
7:52 The moment Flambass discovers that the Petropavlovsk its 220mm guns have similar penetration to the German 380mm guns, but with better pen angles, much better dispersion, shorter flight and fuse times. Yea, totally balanced tovarish.
WG : How much penetration do you need in a cruiser
: NO!
WG: YES
how much pen?
WG answer: ALL
Faced one in a jb. He litteraly face tanked me and ravaged me with ap while i was bow on to him... balanced comrade.
Completely balanced
Easy fix! Just put a VLS on your ship and smile as you send nice gifts his way! :D
WG as never know balance, even if balance hit them in the face and dance in front of them.
@Hal Swan Not in WoWs, I'm afraid. Due to how the angling system works, and a mechanic called "autobounce", at higher tiers most battleships are essentially immune to AP rounds from most guns they face, if they are bow-on. The only ship that can consistently target nearly all vessels on the bow is yamato thanks to her 480mm guns and a mechanic called "overmatch".
I feel ya bro.
12-15k per salvo on my ship (JB)
WG: *Makes Petropavlovsk - another paper ship that wasn't even supposed to exist on paper (it is apparently a "Project 82" design, which included the cruisers Moskva, Stalingrad and Kronshtadt)*
Flambass: *Kills Kremlin with citadels, kills Smolensk with citadels* I used the bias to destroy the bias.
Bloody hell this is actually funny now XD
Wait for this: When Flambass played the AL Nevsky(the light cruiser) in his next stream, he citadelled the bias out of an enemy Petropavlovsk. There's even twitch clips of this www.twitch.tv/flambass/clip/BombasticPerfectWebFloof?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time.
@@Virgilfinnatell HAHAHAHAHA So basically the only contest to Soviet Bias is Soviet Bias
lmao, when you thought this thing can't be even more busted, it has 360 degree turret rotation.
And spotting range under radar range. That was the only advantage a radar on a Mino had. Of course it is one of the best armored cruisers in the game, too. Would be a shame if it had some disadvantages
I can´t think of any large warship that actually existed that had this feature, but it´s extremely useful in game.
So of course the soviet fantasy ship would have this ability.
Well. If it was such a good and easy feature to implement on a ship that was actually built, surely we would have it on all ships of that time with this kind of gun size. It is just silly... I would maybe buy that with a light cruiser, but on a Not-A-Battleship?
@@DuduDruidDotCom
full 360° rotation wasnt possible because of the cables from electronic equipment.
doing a full turn would snap the cables and disable the entire turret unless you waste materials to produce longer cables that could be layed in a way that wouldnt rip them apart for at least a few rotations.
but why do that when you can build 2 regular ships with the amount of cables needed to have one ship with 360° rotatable turrets.
@@uteriel282 Russian economy best in world. Embarrassment of riches that allow such extravagance in production.
"Russian bias isn't a thing." Ever notice how almost every Russian ship ends up being incredibly OP breaks the game, and defies physics being able to out damage and penetrate things over double the caliber? And even light Russian ships are tanks. Honestly its interesting that the accuracy does noticeable get worse when shooting at Russian ships. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they had a system where aiming a Russian ship, the dispersion is increased by a certain percentage.
sail Krasny Krim
inb4 some weegee weaboo says huRr DuRr WG is Belarus hUrRrrrrrr
I don't know, try sailing broadside in a Moskva against a BB....any player that knows how to aim will splatter your remains all over the ocean in one salvo.
I bounced a flat broadside Kremlin at point blank in my Georgia.
remember how in wot the 8.8 is less accurate than russias 122mm . . . . let that sink in
"Still keeps the russian perks" a.k.a:
USN AP angles (nerfed to "only" 50 degrees as of last log, still better than most other nations)
British AP fuse
Stalinium armor
French Penetration
IJN accuracy
Soviet "close range dispersion"
You forgot improved german shell arcs and velocity ;)
Well to be fair, US CA pen angles are 60-67.5 unlike the Petro with 50-65 degrees. Normal cruisers get 45-60 degrees and Stalin is in a weird spot with 55-65 degrees.
That being said, when you have ~250 mm more penetration than the DM at all ranges, does the angle really matter? Shots that don't bounce with a DM will shatter, whereas Petro will probably be able to punch through and penetrate. Hell, it has ~150 mm more pen than the Moskva at all ranges. Remember when people thought Moskva had great penetration for a cruiser? For more context, its penetration is about the same as Bismarck's 380 mm guns, but with better penetration angles because balanz tovarisch
Let's all just only play Russian ships from now on. I mean: why even bother with anything else?
They only need DDs with 15min smokes, radar, hydro, and 8x4 40k damage torps every 30sec with 5km concealment at this point
I just got to play Russian ships recently because Moskva is gonna go and my friends start to play them. I refuse to play them before but to understand if it’s really powerful I have to try and yeah...They’re so easy to play.
Same thing in world of tanks man RU tanks are best.
Moskva is not going to go. Moskva is moved to armory for coal, that's all. But yeah, i grinded my ass off from chapayev down to moskva, so now i have a free coal ship 😊
@@NickySRT the difference is russia actually HAD amazing tanks. Russia barely had a navy in ww2 and it certainly wasn't better then any of the major powers in that war, italy included.
9:06
smolensk: *being hydroed*
smolensk: s m o k e s
bruh
When I shoot Kremlin with my fully upgraded, legendary module Yamato, I have to carefully aim under the turrets to get maybe 1 or 2 citadels, because if I aim directly underneath the smokestacks sometimes citadels just won't come (I've tested this in training battles as well).
Meanwhile, you're telling me a cruiser is fully able to citadel a Kremlin not once, but 6 times in the span of 10 seconds?!
Damn dude
7:51 ''are you gonna overpen that? ''
*5 CITADELS ON THE KREMLIN IN ONE SALVO*
I've never citadeled a Kremlin in my entire life and I'm a battleship player. You did 25 citadels in one game and I can do days without citadeling... At all.
Loved his face.
@@benoit.viguier World of Warships has that thing that porn cannot give.
The only thing I ever citadel with is my 420mm GK at very close range. But Petro is a cruiser while GK is a BB........
@@illominus_2943 Same... I run German battleships and the citadel game is not present.
I have citadel'd one in the Georgia, though I had to be 4km away to do it and even after that 82k salvo he still lived...
Pobeda: I'm the most OP ship in WOWS
Smolensk: Hold my beer!
Petropavlovsk: Amateurs...
Like seriously, who in WG was so crazy to put Pobeda guns on a cruiser and lower their reload to ~10 secs? :O
Well that saves me 28,000 Steel....Stalingrad just became redundant!
Stalingrad has even higher pen. You think anything that has stalin in its name will be worse? Am disapoint comrad.
For that Statement the NKVD (Or KGB) will come for you, you know that? 😂
or obsolete ...
He was sub 8km away. Stalingrad can cit battleships at range without flinching. I agree though, if it makes it into the game like this, no point in Stalingrad.
@@lulzimi lol stalingrad has 12 inch guns though the petropavlovsk has 8 inch guns 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Soviet navy: *exist* (sort of)
WG: "We will make soviet navy great again (and again)"
Well, comrade! The only way to balans balans is balans
9:15 that Smolensk got wrecked by short fuse time of Petro's AP shells. You think it's gonna overpen but nope
That smolensk got wrecked by semi angling. If he was flat broadside Flambass would have probably overpenned.
@@simonwinterstein348 No, because Petro got that sweet Shortfuse the Stalin also have 👌
@@tramachi7027 I know, but I saw Flamu overpen like 10 times on an Albemarle from 9 km
@@simonwinterstein348 WG saw that, too, and decided it needed a buff.
Stalin magically guided the Petro's AP shells right into the Smolensk's citadel, of course.
In the beginning of the match, someone said "csoki" in all chat. It means chocolate in Hungarian I'm glad to see that I'm not the only fan from there.
In the beginning of the match, someone said "shakiiim" in all chat. It means shazam in weeb I'm glad to see that I'm not the only fan of Haruna there.
Oh, i see many Hungarians in randoms. btw Check out the streamer SRB_nele, his stream is multi-language and he says explicitly that it is for whole Balkan. He speaks, dunno, maybe 5 languages or so
@@estoyaqui5386 Hungary has nothing to do with balkan lol
"Krem-cit CA is a lie. Such thing doesn't exist ever and never...."
Soviet CA line :
Cruiser mains: "I keep getting oneshot by BBAP! Why can every class devstrike others except cruisers! Waah!"
Wargaming: "Hold my absolut vodka, my friend, and watch..."
Absolut is swedish vodka *cough*
"Are you gonna overpen that?"
top 10 things said moments before disaster 7:50
It's almost like they're trying to say "The USSR won World War 2 on their own..."
They came up with a nerf to kremlin that works, too bad that it nerfs the rest of the game to oblivion as well.
"It's Russian, of course they had to get a proper tier 12 cruiser"
you mean tier twelvesk.
welcome to World of Russian Fantasies. WORF for short.
btw, the only reason you were overpenning the Kremlin was because you were aiming too high and overpenning the superstructure. as soon as you aimed lower, you citadeled the fuck out of it.
how could you not see this?
its not that strong... for tier 12
Yeah, since USSR is dead, they show only old soviet technik, little modernized, and fantasy weapons in CGI cartoons.
He did - After two rounds of overpens he says he's switching to the hull. Then magic happens.
He clearly did not expect to overpen a Kremlin. Shooting citadel armor in a cruiser usually results in getting shatters. Not in Petropavlovsk though..
9:24 The moment you ask for more Kremlin because you are in a Shitro
You could tell them they switched the penetration values of the Petropavlovsk with the Yamato by accident.
Petropavlovsk:
Vengence for Moskva players who are constantly getting focused fire and die quickly
I was perfectly fine with my Moskva, since like any ship (except almost all russian ships at this point, except Khaba), it had its drawbacks. But this is just ridiculous. It is bs like this, WG is ruining the game with.
@@Gulaschiltis True. I own a Moskva and imo its balanced, especially because of her abyssmal concealment. But it seems WG is sneeking around this with the Petro. How on earth can they justify a concealment of 11.1km on this monster !?
I am dissapointent, i was exepting, that the secondarys can do also zitas.
10 months ago. CCs get the chnce to test the New T10 Russian BB Pobeda:
"WTF is this??! This is so broken! Can you possibly make something more OP?"
WG: "Hold my vodka"
9:56 The face of disgust
told ya, smolensk is "balans" after all lol
Instead of making ships like the Chaba relevant again, they add one BS game ruining paper ship after the other... Like wtf, The Smolensk with longer range torps, hydro, more, but the same guns, smoke, heal AND better detection has longer range than the Chaba, yet you have to add the next OP russian balans crap... screw you WG
Playerbase:You can not be more toxic then the CV rework was.
WG: Hold my beer....
I started laughing out loud since the first citadel , Flambino's surprise was priceless. Always good to know though…. I thought only Klingons and Romulans could paddle Russian stronk flagships.
Flambass no surprise I have been watching videos on the Petropavlovsk all week and it has been citadel city with this cruiser. Do a search on UA-cam and watch all the vids and you will see this cruiser go against battleships, battlecruisers, and other ships like it was nothing. The overall parameters on this ship will be reduced after getting feedback from the CCs but at it current state it is too powerful for now. Just imagine no changes and this ship gets released to the live servers as it is. Commanders will be playing the game like crazy grinding through the light cruiser line to Tier 8, Tallinn and Riga to get the ship. Your reaction during the battle was definitely my first reaction when I saw this ship take on a battleship and win, thanks for the video.
Legit love his reaction when he citadel that Kremlin
flambass: "you gonna overpen that?"
flambass a few seconds later: "i have tears in my eyes. What did I just see?"
Stalin: Comrade Kommisar, go put WG in Gulag. They forgot to put 4x5 30k Torps with 20km range and 100kn speed on Petrorubel.
6 x 4 you forgot port and bow launchers, comrade!
No cruise missiles either, comrade? To gulag you go.
Most of the time I'm watching Flambass he's like: *this ship is shet, it does not work, yada-yada-yada* the following seconds after he says that, instant citadel, instant double kill, devastating strike,Kraken and so on.
It''s like somebody from WG is watching he's the stream and changes the RNG on spot.
Anyway, respect Flambass for the work you re doing, you and Jingles are the reason why I started to play this game.
Have fun and stay safe
7:56 If that was me shooting in a Yamato I will mostly get overpens or maybe ricochets.
Or ur shells goes over the ship or missed because stalin have this strong magnet that deflect and incoming shells.
RNG on battleships is to high needs a tone down
360 degree turrets
BB armor
Good AA
Stealth radar
Better pen than Bismarck
Yup, needs torpedoes so it'll be balanced
WG did their research, they spent millions of man hours going to Soviet Naval archives. They found that the Soviet navy had railguns . We all know WG would never miss lead us about something like this. They are honest as the day is long.🤪 Can’t wait for the Soviet CV!🤮
Soviets in WW2: What's "Navy"?
Soviets in this fucking game: I am become death destroyer of worlds.
That face of yours killed me part 2 😂😂
What sights do Flambass use since he can take so few "bars" lead shooting at that Smolensk cross the map? If I had taken that shot I would have been forces do lead 15+?! Or is he really zoomed out? like 2-3 scroll ticks?
he always says he goes out 1 click. I've tried it, NOPE straight back to fully zoomed out! lol
"This thing is disguuusting"
me: I want one. pls, daddy WeeGee?
Something better than Stalingrad will never....
WG: Hold my Vodka
It is really annoying with all these russian premiums being released in the game for one of the most insignificant navies of WW2.... They should focus more on the other nations instead. (imo)
Let's be fair, they were also one of the most insignificant navies in WW1
They were/are an insignificant navy at all. But there‘s nothing loke propaganda! If there has never been a poweful navy, let‘s make up one and furthermore let‘s pretend it was the strongest one that has ever existed... In the end it‘s just WG’s and probably some other fellow russians‘ way of saying: we don‘t give a flying fart. Behaviour of a small man driving a huge car as a compensation...
Is that a missile silo door behind the 3rd turret? :D
Face cam may have been the best thing you’ve ever done
Jeez i miss 2 years Ago world of warships 😞
Since wg buffed plating on Moskva when Stalin came out to keep it relevant, and this Petropavlovsk has the same guns, then clearly Moskva is getting the same ridiculous pen that this thing has for good measure right? cause we clearly need more balance in this game da.
Forget the balance, this is WG strategy to get their money. Like in WoT, they bring constantly new and better ships/tanks they are way more powerful and player spending more money on flags, premium, camo to get them. This is just business.
@@heardistance God, this so much. Have people forgotten Conqueror when she was first released? That thing absolutely annihilated the BB meta (randoms at least)...at least until she was nerfed into an unplayable state.
if you spot bias, to gulag you go! Radar over detection range, obviously best pen of any cruiser atm, lazergun accuracy with high shell velocity, decently armoured, and the turrets will stay on target, no matter what maneuvers you have to pull. Bravo WG, you are outdoing yourself with ruining this game.
The Cruiser we all need, but not the one we deserve right now...
Flambino, not quite sure but the RU CA line also has the speshul dispersion formula of the RU BB line, better at close range, progressively worse at long range, hence the citadels.
WG shut up and take my money , I can swap all of my ships even SMOLENSK for it. I want to punish Kremlins only. Best revenge ever. hahaha
It's tech tree, no money needed. Only fxp.
Yep, apparently those shells have the same penetration as 380mm shells at max range. At short ranges the pen should be even better + dispersion is also so much more reliable.
Russian Bias pffft no such thing. We are all just dreaming. 😎
Battleship:has 300mm of armor
Petro:I'm about to ruin this man's whole career
I saw the stream and there was quite some discussion and assumptions regarding that ship that were incorrect...
- It has very high pen, slightly better pen angles (not DM level!), short fuse (not UK level) and 360° turrets.
- It will overpen due to the high velocity but this is somewhat counteracted by the short fuse
- It is harder to citadel submerged or low citadels due to the very straight flight of the projectiles. Flambass was wondering why He citadelled a Kremlin but not a Montana. Well the Kremlin Cita sits relatively high.
- It has a giant 25mm nose. This is NOT Moskva level (which has a tiny 25mm nose). It can somewhat bowtank but BBs will murder it.
I am NOT saying this ship aint good. However there are some things people tend to forget when they see broadside citadels flying around. A DM would have murdered most of the targets even faster tbh.
I've had no problem citadeling Iowa, yamato or Montana for that matter with my DM, but the fkn kremlin is bullet proof even for yamato 18" rounds at fkn 10km
how do you change the view? above or round the island?
WG is a gaming company. But also a russian propoganda tool.
The more you know...
After getting a ricochet on a broadside Smolensk...
Flam: HOW?!.... HOW?!
I wonder if wargaming is going to let this one in? lol its gonna get nerfed sooo hard.
Yeah, just wailt couple monts and they maybe nerf AA's HP, down to 50%.
Hard nerfs are for German and Japanese ships. This thing will get its AA-mounts weakend, like Oslikus said.
The comedy value of the video is launched to the orbit at 09:53. Those reactions I absolutely love them XD
How can you guarantee draws in battles in wargaming?
Have both teams only consist of russian tanks, planes or warships
YT recommending me again the infamous "petrosk's incident" video, with the invaluable Flambino's reaction
Fun fact, the rear turret is a 360° turret…. how many ship have this features, and with those big gun also XD
All turrets are 360° in the Petro.
Higher tier Brit DD's - LEL. Petro is rid-don-culous.
Firstly, I hope we get that facial expression as a meme for wows.
@07:53 I put in a refund form on steam.
@09:53 I started to panic as steam hadn't responded to my refund claim yet.
@10:30 I finished this post and through my laptop out my flat window.
ZZ109
Did they accidentally put an extra 0 in the pen value?
-Bounces on a broadside Smolensk
-Citadels a Kremlin
"Special accuracy parameters" - Da working as intended
You know those ship eating torpedos from James Bond? The ones that chew up through the ship and explode. It fires those.
I didn't expect a less broken ship after the soviets BB and smolensk/stalingrad, WG do their best to conquer the heart of russian player, more and better OP ships, disgusting ...
I just got mine last night. My new favorite ship. Citadel magnet shells laser accurate lol. Badass armor and AA with a radar for 20 seconds. Sweet.
BBs that just over-pen cruisers on a full Broadside - Check
Cruisers at close Range that can Destroy BBs - Check
CV that can Destroy BBs - Check
Subs that can annoy, destroy and troll BBs - Check
Perfect back to the SIT AT THE BACK OF THE MAP Strategy - Check
Petropavlovsk has the new improved super hypersonic ballistic tipped shells the A.P. shells will shred anything and everything in game. The H.E. will Explode enemy ships off the map and back into port for major refit and repairs. Hurry before time runs out and there are no other nations ships to wreck get your Petropavlovsk now before the AA gets nerfed and the ship re-balanced to be stronger than it was before introduction.
Well they found a way to balans Kremlin and Smolensk.
German supercruisers can't get short fuses. Only russians can citadel Smolensk!
Japanese superbattleships can't pen Kremlin's armor. Only russians can citadel Kremlin!
The sheer shock in Flambass's expression at 10:47
Flambass: What is this thing?
Me: It's beautiful *Tears*
I can't get enough of his reactions. I giggle like a school girl when he slaps the Venezia. I mean, you know it's an overpowered ship when Flambass asks "What the fuck IS this thing?" after playing one game in the ship. xD
To top it off it apparently has the best gun angles of any ship in the game. So that huge turning radius, arguably the only difficulty this ship has, isn't even as much a thing as for ships that actually have to turn.
Flambass: "what the fuck is this thing"
"I..... I am a monument to all your sins....."