Уверен, Херцог нанял этих спортсменов, но это не отменяет удивительности результата) Известен случай с постановочным кадром, где мужики ползают по льду, мол он дал ребятам на бутылку, чтобы они искали град Китеж подо льдом и молились. Это откровеннье "докумениальное вранье" и выносит фильмы Херцога на другой уровень, за пределы этнографического документирования, на уровень поэзии.
what struck me is a schizophrenia. of course religion has died in the developed world. although a new technological religion is being unconsciously borne. with the internet being the omnipresent, omniscient presence of god and artificial intelligence to be the omnipotence. however, secularism is still is preferable to schizophrenia. coming out of this secularism is a "new age movement" which seems to be a hodgepodge of all the religions minus the dogma and fictional narrative. but I was disturbed by this documentary in ways, especially of these delirious visions. but back to what I was saying, this is a strange transitory era of history, but in suggesting that this day and age is less spiritual than the days of yore one must remind oneself of the holy wars, and the inquisition, and the burnings at the stake, and the holy roman torture chambers, and the hell that the Vatican wrought. it seems that in history when a violent extreme is overcome the pendulum gets swung to its opposite extreme. hence in a short time much of the world went from under the dominion of profound theological superstition to complete materialism and the conception of a dead mechanical cosmos. and now with the new age movement you can see a balance being obtained. but lets not romanticize the past for being superior in spirituality, history is full of blood and hatred, and religion intolerance and bigotry. I certainly don't have it figured out. okay. but at least we aren't burning people for heresy. although that still goes on in some dark corners of the world. what I am saying is, look on the positive side, there is a balance emerging, from a significant portion of people.
@@brightmooninthenight2111 This was all true enough, and despite being able to agree looking at different cultures, and differing extents of this being true - You’re still kinds rejecting the the truth that most people are still God fearing, or religious (aside from the West in-part) and that people are still stoned, and burned alive all the time. We are less barbaric, but it is not because we are smarter or more sensible. Western culture being more existential, and less religious has been a long, dwindling process - and every notion that religion once gave; truth for people’s existential thought’s - has been replaced with another notion, and nothing is indicative of it being progressive. Yes, versus that sort of barbarism it is, but still, we have no less a capacity for killing, torturing people in the name of our truths- What keeps us from doing that? Not aversion to religiosity, I don’t really have answers either, but I would revaluate the idea of our differences with our past really being mental improvements. We act based on thing’s that have all changed- had they not, we would act accordingly, and stoning someone to death was simply not a sign of a maniac long ago, any normal person might participate, just as someone heavily religious today is more insane / seems schizo, they are living under an old status quo - are either lucidly doing do, or are completely insane. No matter what though.. Seeing it, from the previous perspective it will look insane, seeing someone stoned to death in the 2020’s, well- insanity, brutality, illegality, maniac- all comes to mind. What about when we visit tribes with ritualistic sacrifice? Carl Jung went and checked some natives and said their beliefs had them full of life and sound (mentally sound) - no discernible neurosis in their absurd beliefs, nor in their capacity of killing.
Does anyone have further leads as to how to find the music in this film? Specifically the litany at 19min, and hymn at 35min? What are the versions of these songs he uses? The music credits aren't even credits at the end, they're so vague, it's impossible to find anything based on them.
Красивый фильм, но совершенно разные по своей природе духовные явления отождествлены, что на мой взгляд показывает, что автор не видит разницу в Тувинском Шамане, Христианском Священнике, Еретике Виссарионе и в колдунах-магах-эзотериках-шарлатанах типа Чумака и т. п., а жаль. Суть явления не раскрыта.
понимаю вашу позицию, но мне кажется Херцог не отождествляет эти явления в фильме. по-моему тут общее то, что все мы стремимся к чему-то духовному, чему-то за пределами понимания, но все по-разному. ну и жена Херцога - русская, поэтому о каком-то неуважении речи точно идти не может
from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bells_from_the_Deep "Throughout the movie a character claiming to be the second coming of Jesus appears. Towards the very end of the film he blesses the viewers of the film. This man is Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop who has later received much attention as the religious leader Vissarion."
Россия как птица феникс, смотришь на этих девушек с длинными косами, на мужчин с бородами и как будто и небыло революции и 70 лет безбожия. И сейчас в храмах можно увидеть ещё больше таких людей и молодежи.
У автора фильма скорее всего была цель показать какой дремучий народ в России живёт. Верит во всякий бред, лишь бы верить. Для автора всё здесь показанное имеет одну природу. Неприятный осадок после этого фильма.
Normally I don't like this style of dubbing but Herzog has the greatest voice ever.
конькобежцы под хорал, конечно, гениальны!.. Удивительные моменты сами идут в руки Херцогу.
Уверен, Херцог нанял этих спортсменов, но это не отменяет удивительности результата) Известен случай с постановочным кадром, где мужики ползают по льду, мол он дал ребятам на бутылку, чтобы они искали град Китеж подо льдом и молились. Это откровеннье "докумениальное вранье" и выносит фильмы Херцога на другой уровень, за пределы этнографического документирования, на уровень поэзии.
These people are still living in a world full of spirit. Many people in the developed world live in a world stripped of spirt.
The two guys on the ice are full of spirits alright.
@@frontiergibberish haahahh such a good comment mate
what struck me is a schizophrenia. of course religion has died in the developed world. although a new technological religion is being unconsciously borne. with the internet being the omnipresent, omniscient presence of god and artificial intelligence to be the omnipotence. however, secularism is still is preferable to schizophrenia. coming out of this secularism is a "new age movement" which seems to be a hodgepodge of all the religions minus the dogma and fictional narrative. but I was disturbed by this documentary in ways, especially of these delirious visions. but back to what I was saying, this is a strange transitory era of history, but in suggesting that this day and age is less spiritual than the days of yore one must remind oneself of the holy wars, and the inquisition, and the burnings at the stake, and the holy roman torture chambers, and the hell that the Vatican wrought. it seems that in history when a violent extreme is overcome the pendulum gets swung to its opposite extreme. hence in a short time much of the world went from under the dominion of profound theological superstition to complete materialism and the conception of a dead mechanical cosmos. and now with the new age movement you can see a balance being obtained.
but lets not romanticize the past for being superior in spirituality, history is full of blood and hatred, and religion intolerance and bigotry. I certainly don't have it figured out. okay. but at least we aren't burning people for heresy. although that still goes on in some dark corners of the world. what I am saying is, look on the positive side, there is a balance emerging, from a significant portion of people.
@@brightmooninthenight2111 This was all true enough, and despite being able to agree looking at different cultures, and differing extents of this being true - You’re still kinds rejecting the the truth that most people are still God fearing, or religious (aside from the West in-part) and that people are still stoned, and burned alive all the time.
We are less barbaric, but it is not because we are smarter or more sensible. Western culture being more existential, and less religious has been a long, dwindling process - and every notion that religion once gave; truth for people’s existential thought’s - has been replaced with another notion, and nothing is indicative of it being progressive. Yes, versus that sort of barbarism it is, but still, we have no less a capacity for killing, torturing people in the name of our truths- What keeps us from doing that? Not aversion to religiosity, I don’t really have answers either, but I would revaluate the idea of our differences with our past really being mental improvements. We act based on thing’s that have all changed- had they not, we would act accordingly, and stoning someone to death was simply not a sign of a maniac long ago, any normal person might participate, just as someone heavily religious today is more insane / seems schizo, they are living under an old status quo - are either lucidly doing do, or are completely insane. No matter what though.. Seeing it, from the previous perspective it will look insane, seeing someone stoned to death in the 2020’s, well- insanity, brutality, illegality, maniac- all comes to mind. What about when we visit tribes with ritualistic sacrifice?
Carl Jung went and checked some natives and said their beliefs had them full of life and sound (mentally sound) - no discernible neurosis in their absurd beliefs, nor in their capacity of killing.
That baptism was hard to watch
Köszönöm szépen =)
Thank you for sharing.
Filologia Rosyjska witam))
witam!
@Tomkowicz!! Coś ty zrobił...
On? Zsubskrybował by i inni to zrobili konto #SvietlostVostoka1 i polubili ten film. Proste przecie :-D
No cóż Tomkowicz promuje kulture
7:18 I have been listening to this song for about 8 years now. Love it and not a clue what he is singing. Wish I could find more from him.
what’s the song?
What I found:
They are Tuvan.
ua-cam.com/video/scZ8X608EeI/v-deo.html
... 8 years Must Surely Be A Record Breaker.. 2/3 minutes Is About The Standard Length Of A Song... 🤔 2:12
@@unstartedartist... 'UM NUM NUM OOH'... It Could Be The Title Or Am I thinking Of Another... 🤔🥂🏴
@@TS-1267 You must not be familiar with Tool?🤣
Never heard a voice hit notes like that. It's like Coltrane hitting unearthly (ungodly?) notes on his saxophone. Or Hendrix....
+johnny peace haha, nice comparison
48:50 Werner Herzog is like a Painter, with a special view of the world
Amazing film!
Beautiful
👍👍👍
Does anyone have further leads as to how to find the music in this film?
Specifically the litany at 19min, and hymn at 35min? What are the versions of these songs he uses? The music credits aren't even credits at the end, they're so vague, it's impossible to find anything based on them.
"The chanting Siberians are only performing religious services in one of their two major scenes. In the other they are simply singing a love song. "
Shazam reckons 35mins is -- ua-cam.com/video/I02CkhJ7dGI/v-deo.html
7-22 it gets better
Вот интересно на 22мин на сцене это спектакль с актерами или действительно эти целители так умели воздействовать на психику людей?
Rise of the Tomb Raider and lost city of Kitezh brought me here :)
bleibe uns gegenwärtig: Chimes Of Russian ( Владимир Петровский - Звоны Северные ) von 1991
So Jesus is a Russian. Who would have thought?
I like that music 45:00 - 48:00
Voices of byzantium. Orthodoxes.
it may be staged, but i dont think he meant to offend.
Guys, does anyone know the music that begins around the 19 minute mark? It's beautiful
It's a setting of the Litany Response 'Lord have mercy' (Господи помилуй - Gospodi pomiłuj) sung 40 times.
No Popol Vuh soundtrack for this one?
Красивый фильм, но совершенно разные по своей природе духовные явления отождествлены, что на мой взгляд показывает, что автор не видит разницу в Тувинском Шамане, Христианском Священнике, Еретике Виссарионе и в колдунах-магах-эзотериках-шарлатанах типа Чумака и т. п., а жаль. Суть явления не раскрыта.
ну так для кого снимали
понимаю вашу позицию, но мне кажется Херцог не отождествляет эти явления в фильме. по-моему тут общее то, что все мы стремимся к чему-то духовному, чему-то за пределами понимания, но все по-разному. ну и жена Херцога - русская, поэтому о каком-то неуважении речи точно идти не может
8:00 wuhahaha need to make me a gif of this one!
jel možeš postaviti titl na ovaj film
30:45
Ja od Tomkowicza
ja też
Is the Christ-lookalike Vissarion?
from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bells_from_the_Deep
"Throughout the movie a character claiming to be the second coming of Jesus appears. Towards the very end of the film he blesses the viewers of the film. This man is Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop who has later received much attention as the religious leader Vissarion."
Россия как птица феникс, смотришь на этих девушек с длинными косами, на мужчин с бородами и как будто и небыло революции и 70 лет безбожия. И сейчас в храмах можно увидеть ещё больше таких людей и молодежи.
без английского диктора бы посмотреть
Sjamanisme /Schamanismus? 🇱🇺🇩🇪.
revering beautifully and graciously the human soul. Lost in western countries if ever
are they turk
***** i dont think you see the point
У автора фильма скорее всего была цель показать какой дремучий народ в России живёт. Верит во всякий бред, лишь бы верить. Для автора всё здесь показанное имеет одну природу. Неприятный осадок после этого фильма.
Полностью согласен
!Автор Вернер Херцог. Все его фильмы о многообразии проявления человек ческого духа.