When you load your weapon according to the manual. Once you pour the powder down the barrel. Did you load the bullet down with the paper still around the bullet, or did you have to open the cartridge up and pour the bullet down?
All of the paper (minus what was torn off by the teeth) was put down the barrel with the ball. The bullet was not removed from the cartridge paper for this kind of ammunition.
Neat video, I always wondered how they made them. What type of paper are you using? Can you use this same technique to load a 20 ga (.615cal) shotgun for hunting? What size round ball would you use? Thank you!
As I say at 0:47 in the video, the paper is lightweight masking paper available at any big box home improvement store. You want the stuff that has the feel of newspaper. I can't speak to a 20 gauge shotgun.
I think you could dip the bullet part of the cartridge in lube to help with fouling when shooting. This is what the British did with their Enfield ammunition. Dipping the entire cartridge in lube would probably make for a mess when trying to use them. If you were really out to try and make water-resistant cartridges, perhaps you could make them from wax paper. This might give some measure of protection from incidental water contact.
From the 1841 US Ordnance Manual, for the flintlock .69 caliber muskets the charge was 130 grains. When the Ordnance Manual was updated for percussion arms, the charge was reduced to 110 grains. This is a difference of 20 grains. There was probably an allowance for spillage. I would imagine that as the soldier primed they would stop when they felt the pan had enough powder in it, and whatever was left over went down the barrel.
to make a cartridge for shot (#5), would it be the same process demonstrated for the buckshot cartridge? I realize this is out of ordinance, and purpose of your demo.
I'd bet the military of this time kept it as simple as that! but for the charge loaded in each paper cartridge. and I bet soldier would make do with Either, in "Either"? One would kick like mule, one would flop or pop, but the enemy would still suffer one way or another.
I use 18/3 linen thread from John Neal Books: www.johnnealbooks.com/product/18-3-linen-thread I don't think waxed linen thread would make a difference for the modern shooter but if the ammunition was exposed to heat the wax will melt and soak into the paper, possibly weakening it. Melting bullet lubricant was a problem in period times for bullets that had lubricant.
A Military Heritage (Indian Made) Northwest Trade gun in 62cal (20gauge). Thanks for your reply. Your products look well made and I'd like to buy a kit if it will work.@@fortharmoury4434
Now I know. The buckshot loads on top of the ball. Thanks!
Brilliant vid sir!
Great video! 😊
Learn something everyday.
When you load your weapon according to the manual. Once you pour the powder down the barrel. Did you load the bullet down with the paper still around the bullet, or did you have to open the cartridge up and pour the bullet down?
All of the paper (minus what was torn off by the teeth) was put down the barrel with the ball. The bullet was not removed from the cartridge paper for this kind of ammunition.
Neat video, I always wondered how they made them. What type of paper are you using? Can you use this same technique to load a 20 ga (.615cal) shotgun for hunting? What size round ball would you use? Thank you!
As I say at 0:47 in the video, the paper is lightweight masking paper available at any big box home improvement store. You want the stuff that has the feel of newspaper. I can't speak to a 20 gauge shotgun.
I have a French 1766 Charleville Musket that is .69 caliber --- would these work? I have purchased .648 lead balls for the musket.
Yes, they should work in any .69 caliber musket in serviceable condition.
Excellent presentation. I am wondering if those paper cartridges can be dipped in wax or bullet lube to water proof them some? Thank you for sharing!
I think you could dip the bullet part of the cartridge in lube to help with fouling when shooting. This is what the British did with their Enfield ammunition. Dipping the entire cartridge in lube would probably make for a mess when trying to use them. If you were really out to try and make water-resistant cartridges, perhaps you could make them from wax paper. This might give some measure of protection from incidental water contact.
Where did you get your .65 diameter round ball?
I borrowed it from a friend.
Eras Gone Bullet Molds now carries a .650 round ball mold. www.erasgonebullets.com/store/product/650-round-ball-for-u-s-69-caliber-muskets
29 grains to charge the pan? My 1816 flinter has a large pan but that seems excessive
From the 1841 US Ordnance Manual, for the flintlock .69 caliber muskets the charge was 130 grains. When the Ordnance Manual was updated for percussion arms, the charge was reduced to 110 grains. This is a difference of 20 grains. There was probably an allowance for spillage. I would imagine that as the soldier primed they would stop when they felt the pan had enough powder in it, and whatever was left over went down the barrel.
to make a cartridge for shot (#5), would it be the same process demonstrated for the buckshot cartridge? I realize this is out of ordinance, and purpose of your demo.
I don't know if this type of cartridge construction would work well for small shot.
I was wondering the same thing and am currently thinking you could probably throw an over shot card on top of the shot before putting in the powder
@@williamallan5791 I am not sure a thin card would stay in place and not twist sideways. But perhaps a thicker fiber wad would do the trick!
I take it that the method of construction would apply for a 69 cal pistol, too?
I have not researched them, but they are probably similar in construction.
I'd bet the military of this time kept it as simple as that! but for the charge loaded in each paper cartridge. and I bet soldier would make do with Either, in "Either"? One would kick like mule, one would flop or pop, but the enemy would still suffer one way or another.
Where do you get your 3-ply linen thread?
Much of the linen thread that I've see is waxed. Is that okay?
I use 18/3 linen thread from John Neal Books: www.johnnealbooks.com/product/18-3-linen-thread
I don't think waxed linen thread would make a difference for the modern shooter but if the ammunition was exposed to heat the wax will melt and soak into the paper, possibly weakening it. Melting bullet lubricant was a problem in period times for bullets that had lubricant.
Try beaded fishing line
Please make a 62 cal kit.
Hi Steve, which arm are you looking for ammunition for?
A Military Heritage (Indian Made) Northwest Trade gun in 62cal (20gauge). Thanks for your reply. Your products look well made and I'd like to buy a kit if it will work.@@fortharmoury4434
I would also like a 62 cal kit for my 20 gauge Howdah
My muskit was made in 1812 was converted to precision in 1842
It was found in the battle field in the civil war