@@plowboysghost I see, thank you for the reply. I'm new to BP shooting, I bought a Traditions P1853 from Old South Firearms in Argo (I'm from Huntsville). Trying to recreate the historical 1855 & 1861 cartridge with an appropriate size bullet for each. I'm also a subscriber, I've watched your videos and impressed with your arsenal of BP rifles.
@@curtisrussell9121 Hickok45 ran (on two videos) some of my cartridges/bullets through his reproduction Enfield with great accuracy, but I believe they were a tad small for his original. I order a good bit of my Oklahoma Leather from Old South. (I'm not far out of Russellville...so we're almost neighbors....and i used to live in Huntsville prior to 1977) I honestly don't have any blackpowder guns at this moment. I went old-style cartridge in 2020 because of what I perceive we are up against. I aim to get a few replacement blackpowder guns, after this is over (IF it is ever over), but I love blackpowder as much today as I did when I had a bunch of them 2 years ago. I'm glad to have you as a neighbor and a subscriber.
Do you have a .54 caliber kit, or maybe sell the kit sans the .58 caliber lead? 😁 I have a (factory) 54 caliber TC Hawkin. I wouldn't object to some paper cartridges when out hunting. Different than how I made them back when I did CW reenactments. For one, I used nitrates paper, using the paper as a wad, portion that held the powder above the ball when loaded. (not that we could use live rounds during an event. Unlike the Buckskinner rendezvous, we never had a shooting match. 😫) Less chance of smoldering paper in the barrel when at the range or when hunting.
Very nice & informative video. .58 just happens to be my favorite caliber too! But remember, never never never use YOUR wife's neck for the choking string - use someone else's wife's neck!!! You need your own wife to cook for you, most likely your own "goose"! MY preference would be to use NITRATED PAPER to make the "cartridge"! You should be able to buy these papers at your local tobacco or smoking store. Or you can watch a video by "Eras Gone" & see how Mr. Mark makes his nitrated paper. Anyway you go, making loads for your .58 is a great enjoyment as you appreciate the "pleasure" of shooting these wonderful old guns, one enjoyable shot at a time!!! "Gesundheit"!!!!! Mr. Thickey has "schpoken"!
To my knowledge, there are only single cavity moulds for the .58 Miniés. I have moulds from Lyman, Lee, and RCBS. Honestly, it comes down to what you want to spend. Lee makes one that is relatively inexpensive ($25 vs $85 for the Lyman and Lee moulds) that are made from aluminum.
3:37 " ... the rounded end (former) about one third of an inch from the left side of .... " One third of an inch ? ........ That hurts my brain. What is one third of an inch ? You can't get an even Steven third if you go down to 64 ths ( 21.333333 , ) or 128 ths (42.6666 .) Five sixteenths is close , but not really a third..
"An Anglo-Saxon unit of length was the barleycorn. After 1066, 1 inch was equal to 3 barleycorns, which continued to be its legal definition for several centuries, with the barleycorn being the base unit" (Wikipedia) And what units was he using for the powder? "The grain was the legal foundation of traditional English weight systems, and is the only unit that is equal throughout the troy, avoirdupois, and apothecaries' systems of mass. The unit was based on the weight of a single grain of barley," Seems totally consistent to me. So a third of an inch is about the simplest unit one could have, now if you want an awkward unit, try: "The metre was originally defined in 1793 as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole along a great circle," I mean really, do you know how hard it to get to the north pole dragging 10,000 kilometers of chain behind you? (yes, I know that is not how it is done, its a joke) Also "about" is not super precise. If one is measuring cast bullets and paper cartridges to microns one has other problems.
This guy is good! He could talk a person through doing brain surgery. Subscribed!
I just ordered some of these last night from you guys. Thanks!
i can feel his enthusiasm
Nice federal style cartridge.
I make the British 1855 pattern cartridge with Pritchett bullet and baseplug for my Enfield and my JP Murray.
May I ask, what diameter Pritchett bullet do you use with 1855 cartridge for .58 cal? .563 or .568?
@@curtisrussell9121 The NOE mold I had was advertised @ .566". I only ran them through 2 rifles that were .577-.578".
@@plowboysghost I see, thank you for the reply. I'm new to BP shooting, I bought a Traditions P1853 from Old South Firearms in Argo (I'm from Huntsville). Trying to recreate the historical 1855 & 1861 cartridge with an appropriate size bullet for each.
I'm also a subscriber, I've watched your videos and impressed with your arsenal of BP rifles.
@@curtisrussell9121 Hickok45 ran (on two videos) some of my cartridges/bullets through his reproduction Enfield with great accuracy, but I believe they were a tad small for his original. I order a good bit of my Oklahoma Leather from Old South. (I'm not far out of Russellville...so we're almost neighbors....and i used to live in Huntsville prior to 1977)
I honestly don't have any blackpowder guns at this moment. I went old-style cartridge in 2020 because of what I perceive we are up against. I aim to get a few replacement blackpowder guns, after this is over (IF it is ever over), but I love blackpowder as much today as I did when I had a bunch of them 2 years ago.
I'm glad to have you as a neighbor and a subscriber.
I just bought this I’m excited!
Great instructive video, many thanks!
I have watched this at least 37 times
Thank you for your help.
Do you have a .54 caliber kit, or maybe sell the kit sans the .58 caliber lead? 😁
I have a (factory) 54 caliber TC Hawkin.
I wouldn't object to some paper cartridges when out hunting.
Different than how I made them back when I did CW reenactments.
For one, I used nitrates paper, using the paper as a wad, portion that held the powder above the ball when loaded. (not that we could use live rounds during an event. Unlike the Buckskinner rendezvous, we never had a shooting match. 😫)
Less chance of smoldering paper in the barrel when at the range or when hunting.
Very nice & informative video. .58 just happens to be my favorite caliber too! But remember, never never never use YOUR wife's neck for the choking string - use someone else's wife's neck!!! You need your own wife to cook for you, most likely your own "goose"! MY preference would be to use NITRATED PAPER to make the "cartridge"! You should be able to buy these papers at your local tobacco or smoking store. Or you can watch a video by "Eras Gone" & see how Mr. Mark makes his nitrated paper. Anyway you go, making loads for your .58 is a great enjoyment as you appreciate the "pleasure" of shooting these wonderful old guns, one enjoyable shot at a time!!! "Gesundheit"!!!!! Mr. Thickey has "schpoken"!
Nicely done.
Is the process the same for the prichett balls?
Thank you sir 👍
Any recommendations for a single or double cavity mould that can produce .58 minie ball projectiles?
To my knowledge, there are only single cavity moulds for the .58 Miniés. I have moulds from Lyman, Lee, and RCBS. Honestly, it comes down to what you want to spend. Lee makes one that is relatively inexpensive ($25 vs $85 for the Lyman and Lee moulds) that are made from aluminum.
I use the Lee mold. It’s a bit oversized for me- my original 1863 has a very tight barrel at .576- but should work even without sizing for most folks.
Are you still selling the kits?
price?
Good information, the boy shooting has his cartridge box on the wrong side
How do I order this kit?
I would think Google Jefferson Arsenal. That's what I did
Wow!!!
3:37 " ... the rounded end (former) about one third of an inch from the left side of .... "
One third of an inch ? ........ That hurts my brain.
What is one third of an inch ?
You can't get an even Steven third if you go down to 64 ths ( 21.333333 , )
or 128 ths (42.6666 .)
Five sixteenths is close , but not really a third..
Sorry, I know I'm nit picking.
"An Anglo-Saxon unit of length was the barleycorn. After 1066, 1 inch was equal to 3 barleycorns, which continued to be its legal definition for several centuries, with the barleycorn being the base unit" (Wikipedia)
And what units was he using for the powder? "The grain was the legal foundation of traditional English weight systems, and is the only unit that is equal throughout the troy, avoirdupois, and apothecaries' systems of mass. The unit was based on the weight of a single grain of barley,"
Seems totally consistent to me.
So a third of an inch is about the simplest unit one could have, now if you want an awkward unit, try:
"The metre was originally defined in 1793 as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole along a great circle,"
I mean really, do you know how hard it to get to the north pole dragging 10,000 kilometers of chain behind you? (yes, I know that is not how it is done, its a joke)
Also "about" is not super precise. If one is measuring cast bullets and paper cartridges to microns one has other problems.
It's no wonder it caused such effort