What you have there is an "Archival Copy" companies back then use to keep between 10 and 100 copies of all published materials for reference and use in future marketing and research. Rare find, usually coveted by museums and the "fancy pants" collectors, very valuable.
Wonderful things. Printer enclosures were quite common back then, people made their own. An office I worked in in the mid 80s had NEC computers that used 8" floppy discs. I have a number of Verbatim clamshell boxes that once held discs and they now make fantastic storage for my 7" 45 RPM records! 😊👍
that blank space on the back of the catalogue is for a dealer stamp or label sticker, not a mailer spot. we still use the same thing on the back of industrial equipment sales brochures at work
I think it's absolutely fun to look back at the state of the art from 40-ish years ago. I have, only in recent years, become interested in the non-Commodore vintage computers so this is a great look at the past.
Those 28C batteries are the same ones used in the 41C series (N type), though that one takes 4 of them! So glad I picked up one of those from a Goodwill a number of years ago, the cheapest ones on eBay now are quite a bit more than what I paid!
I was 18 at the time that catalog came out and I desperately wanted an HP-85. I'm a diehard HP fan. I mowed lawns to earn the money to buy an HP-33E, had an HP-15C in college, and when I landed a job I bought an HP-28S and followed that with the 48SX when it was released. Now, in the age of eBay, I have built a collection of the HP's I'd wished I could have afforded back in the day. But still no HP-85.
I was in middle school at that time- and I thought it was a calculator company back then. I remember programming MOD in RPN basic on my 8th grade teacher's calculator.
I wonder if that telephone number is still the HP ordering line? Or maybe it will redirect you to the current HP line? It doesn't seem like something that would change, it might be worth giving it a call just to see what happens. Bonus video maybe?
I wouldn't trust a 30+ year old roll of thermal paper to actually work. So the CP/M system works a lot like the CP/M board for the Apple ][ or the CP/M cartridge for the C64. It was pretty easy for errors to creep in back in those days, due to there being a lot more manual work involved in document preparation. (These days, most vendors would just pull that data fro a database and it would be processed automatically into whatever catalog they have, including online.) My high school had a CAD workstation that ran on 8 inch floppies until sometime in the late 80's (when it broke down and could not be repaired). I would suspect the catalog was from a trades how. It's certainly something you'd give away by the crate load at those.
I have the 1986 HP Catalog for Test & Measurement instruments. Could not find the exact model, but found some similar ones. Looks like the price for a 1630G would have been around $12,000. If you are interested I could send you the 1986 catalog for free.
The 16500C is a "mainframe" device that takes huge cards to change the functionality. So it was a kind of custom order device that's really hard to relate to other models. I currently have two 68 channel logic cards in it and two dual channel analog cards. So I'd have to figure what each part went for to really figure it out. A catalog for the test gear stuff would be really cool to check out! If you want to send it my P.O. Box Address is: Shelby Jueden 101 N Colorado st #2882 Chandler, AZ 85244
@@TechTangents you have quite the collection! We do storage unit auctions and estate clean outs. We did a clean out for a gentleman that passed away. He had 1000's of brochures and catalogs. Mostly related to Amateur radio equipment but some about computer equipment and general electronics. I'm currently working through them now (we sell online). I will go ahead and pull down the listing for the HP catalog and we will get it shipped out Tuesday!
Their scan for the 7221A manual has issues that makes it difficult to read some things but the manual for the 7221B/C seems like it might be very similar and looks good. So maybe that has enough to get it working! Thanks for pointing that out!
I've got some medical stuff going on that I don't want to get into much. But there may be a few more videos like this. Everything will be all right, I'm working through the process of our stupid healthcare system now.
oh, and if you're interested in perhaps borrowing an HP-16C (the programmer's/computer scientist model) with a manual for a video, I could hook you up! also, if you haven't yet you should check out calculator culture on youtube! no affiliation, I'm just so smitten by the videos. ua-cam.com/users/akuzi
Oops, that was a placeholder link to create the affiliate link and I didn't mean to leave it in there. I don't always put ebay links in the description, something like this going to be a bit hard to nail down for a search and wouldn't be available most of the time. I appreciate the offer to borrow a 16C, being able to do hex operation is sweet! I don't really like to borrow things for videos though, I'd rather not have the responsibility for someone else's awesome devices. But still thank you for the offer!
People forget that HP computers were originally designed to support and control electronics test and measurement equipment. They had no interest in the consumer. Sad what happened to the company
interesting! I was just donated a piece of equipment called a logic analizer, it has all the test probes I just have no idea how to use it yet lol but it is made by hp. . It is about the size of a large cash register unit.
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it." I hate that expression. What the hell does that even mean? Am I going to put down "don't ask" as my corporation's IT budget? I don't know, the blokes in accounting get really cross whenever I answer their questions by putting a finger up to my lips and doing an exaggerated wink
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it" is corpo-speak for "let's look the customer up and down then decide how much they can afford, then charge them accordingly" - meaning that every customer ends up paying a different price. There really should be a law against this kind of sharp practice (In fact in many European countries, this tactic is already illegal)
I think the common meaning for that is, if you’re nosing around at a level that doesn’t list prices, it’s a level that isn’t meant for mere mortals like you and I, so just forget it. I guess maybe a more sensible extrapolation of that is - if you had any business looking at that stuff, you would be involved in an industry that is already a customer and would have pricing info through your partner network. For everyone else ... octothorpe goals.
@@nickwallette6201 I guess it depends how much value you really want for your money - the assumption that rich people don't worry about prices is fun to have a laugh about but I'm sure that even some high-level CEO in the market for a luxury yacht would still want to know how much the damn thing is going to cost :) Of course I'm just a lowly cheapskate so all my gear is either donated fixer-uppers, trashpicked or cheap wun-hung-lo tat from ebay :D
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What you have there is an "Archival Copy" companies back then use to keep between 10 and 100 copies of all published materials for reference and use in future marketing and research. Rare find, usually coveted by museums and the "fancy pants" collectors, very valuable.
Nice LGR doing a 95 build and you doing some chill Catalog showcase. Amazing friday so far!
Yes bro!
I am sinking into my sofa deeper and deeper. Next video is LGRs PC talk ASMR (metaphor for his calming videos)
This is one of the best catalogue videos I’ve ever seen, super engaging and love the props/video examples. Great job!
Somewhere I have an old UK edition Tandy (Radio Shack) catalogue from 1973-ish - I really need to get up in the attic and have a look for that...
Wonderful things. Printer enclosures were quite common back then, people made their own. An office I worked in in the mid 80s had NEC computers that used 8" floppy discs. I have a number of Verbatim clamshell boxes that once held discs and they now make fantastic storage for my 7" 45 RPM records! 😊👍
So many computer companies of this era were convinced that printing a colour pie chart was the killer app.
What do you mean "that era"? Pie charts rock in any era!
Considering the money was in business, it really was a killer app!
that blank space on the back of the catalogue is for a dealer stamp or label sticker, not a mailer spot. we still use the same thing on the back of industrial equipment sales brochures at work
I think it's absolutely fun to look back at the state of the art from 40-ish years ago. I have, only in recent years, become interested in the non-Commodore vintage computers so this is a great look at the past.
I really wish I'd kept all my old computer gear from the 80s and 90s...
Adrian Black has an hp 150 (non pc compatible) MS-DOS machine with touchscreen. The earlier models are Z80 machines running CP/M.
Old catalogs have a special feeling
Those 28C batteries are the same ones used in the 41C series (N type), though that one takes 4 of them! So glad I picked up one of those from a Goodwill a number of years ago, the cheapest ones on eBay now are quite a bit more than what I paid!
This is so cool. I love going through old catalogs and seeing just how far we've come.
One word sums it all up:
"Hilarious!"
I think this video might hold the record for the number of "Hilarious!" comments - There's a drinking game in there somewhere :D
I was 18 at the time that catalog came out and I desperately wanted an HP-85. I'm a diehard HP fan. I mowed lawns to earn the money to buy an HP-33E, had an HP-15C in college, and when I landed a job I bought an HP-28S and followed that with the 48SX when it was released. Now, in the age of eBay, I have built a collection of the HP's I'd wished I could have afforded back in the day. But still no HP-85.
CuriousMarc has done repairs on his HP Terminal's tape drives, something similar might work for your HP-85. He has quite a few HP videos.
I’d welcome more videos like this.
29:11 it could've been a label that fell off or was taken off. Lots of magazines put the address on a label which you can later peel off if you want.
Ohhhh I have a couple of acrylic printer stands…. I had no idea what they where or how to use them till now. Neet!
I love your video. I sunk so deep into the sofa. Deep relaxation TM
Shits hilarious. As a dood who installs medical lab workstations in the modern day I totally get it dog.
whatever happened to the Data General?
Awesome vid Shelby
The funny thing is that the stuff in the catalog is as unobtainable, as it was in 1983, but for different reasons.
HP 7221A Graphics Plotter Operating & SERVICE Manual is available on eBay...
I'd like to see more catalog vids!
I'm pretty sure that EEVblog Dave did a video about interfacing one of these systems to an hp osciliscope type device a year or two ago?
Yeah I seem to remember watching that one - iirc he gave a pretty good description of the HP GPIB interface
Maybe you can print a capstan with a groove that you can snap an o-ring into.
"Best case scenario for 4K video"
I was in middle school at that time- and I thought it was a calculator company back then. I remember programming MOD in RPN basic on my 8th grade teacher's calculator.
I wonder if that telephone number is still the HP ordering line? Or maybe it will redirect you to the current HP line?
It doesn't seem like something that would change, it might be worth giving it a call just to see what happens. Bonus video maybe?
LOVE this
Great video
you want to know prices? well, did you try calling? :)
I always thought those acrylic printer stands were CRT stands. Had one a few years back, dunno who I gave it to.
I wouldn't trust a 30+ year old roll of thermal paper to actually work.
So the CP/M system works a lot like the CP/M board for the Apple ][ or the CP/M cartridge for the C64.
It was pretty easy for errors to creep in back in those days, due to there being a lot more manual work involved in document preparation. (These days, most vendors would just pull that data fro a database and it would be processed automatically into whatever catalog they have, including online.)
My high school had a CAD workstation that ran on 8 inch floppies until sometime in the late 80's (when it broke down and could not be repaired).
I would suspect the catalog was from a trades how. It's certainly something you'd give away by the crate load at those.
I have the 1986 HP Catalog for Test & Measurement instruments. Could not find the exact model, but found some similar ones. Looks like the price for a 1630G would have been around $12,000. If you are interested I could send you the 1986 catalog for free.
The 16500C is a "mainframe" device that takes huge cards to change the functionality. So it was a kind of custom order device that's really hard to relate to other models. I currently have two 68 channel logic cards in it and two dual channel analog cards. So I'd have to figure what each part went for to really figure it out.
A catalog for the test gear stuff would be really cool to check out! If you want to send it my P.O. Box Address is:
Shelby Jueden
101 N Colorado st #2882
Chandler, AZ 85244
@@TechTangents you have quite the collection! We do storage unit auctions and estate clean outs. We did a clean out for a gentleman that passed away. He had 1000's of brochures and catalogs. Mostly related to Amateur radio equipment but some about computer equipment and general electronics. I'm currently working through them now (we sell online).
I will go ahead and pull down the listing for the HP catalog and we will get it shipped out Tuesday!
Ah, that's sounds like an interesting collection to go through I imagine.Thanks for sending that one!
So…regarding the plotter you mentioned…
www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=71
Their scan for the 7221A manual has issues that makes it difficult to read some things but the manual for the 7221B/C seems like it might be very similar and looks good. So maybe that has enough to get it working! Thanks for pointing that out!
The disc page says it's 25Mb. How's it possible
Greetings Akbukku!😬
Strange how it seems all HP calcs are RPN
eBay has a manual for the mystery hp 72xxa plotter up
Ebay also has the 8" floppies sealed haha
Taking it easy? Is everything alright there Shelby? :(
I've got some medical stuff going on that I don't want to get into much. But there may be a few more videos like this. Everything will be all right, I'm working through the process of our stupid healthcare system now.
Hope nothing bad happens to you. You're a national treasure for the nerd nation.
@@TechTangents Oh okay I understand. :( Just take care okay?
yo, this rules! (I think the ebay link isn't working though? I'd love to dip into that if you can check.)
oh, and if you're interested in perhaps borrowing an HP-16C (the programmer's/computer scientist model) with a manual for a video, I could hook you up! also, if you haven't yet you should check out calculator culture on youtube! no affiliation, I'm just so smitten by the videos. ua-cam.com/users/akuzi
Oops, that was a placeholder link to create the affiliate link and I didn't mean to leave it in there. I don't always put ebay links in the description, something like this going to be a bit hard to nail down for a search and wouldn't be available most of the time.
I appreciate the offer to borrow a 16C, being able to do hex operation is sweet! I don't really like to borrow things for videos though, I'd rather not have the responsibility for someone else's awesome devices. But still thank you for the offer!
I have 3 HP PCs.i love em. Everything in the hoard is either an HP, or Apple the ❤️ wants what she wants……..
The rubber belt in those QIC tapes are probably no longer any good, even for new old stock.
The price you would have paid for the HP computers, I would expect them to throw in a free space invaders video game.
🤔🤔🤔🤔
People forget that HP computers were originally designed to support and control electronics test and measurement equipment. They had no interest in the consumer. Sad what happened to the company
interesting!
I was just donated a piece of equipment called a logic analizer, it has all the test probes I just have no idea how to use it yet lol but it is made by hp.
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It is about the size of a large cash register unit.
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
I hate that expression. What the hell does that even mean?
Am I going to put down "don't ask" as my corporation's IT budget?
I don't know, the blokes in accounting get really cross whenever I answer their questions by putting a finger up to my lips and doing an exaggerated wink
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it" is corpo-speak for "let's look the customer up and down then decide how much they can afford, then charge them accordingly" - meaning that every customer ends up paying a different price. There really should be a law against this kind of sharp practice (In fact in many European countries, this tactic is already illegal)
I think the common meaning for that is, if you’re nosing around at a level that doesn’t list prices, it’s a level that isn’t meant for mere mortals like you and I, so just forget it.
I guess maybe a more sensible extrapolation of that is - if you had any business looking at that stuff, you would be involved in an industry that is already a customer and would have pricing info through your partner network. For everyone else ... octothorpe goals.
@@nickwallette6201 I guess it depends how much value you really want for your money - the assumption that rich people don't worry about prices is fun to have a laugh about but I'm sure that even some high-level CEO in the market for a luxury yacht would still want to know how much the damn thing is going to cost :)
Of course I'm just a lowly cheapskate so all my gear is either donated fixer-uppers, trashpicked or cheap wun-hung-lo tat from ebay :D
Back when HP was a real company, not an India Inc invaded outsourced POS.
POS lmao I just imagined a giant HP cash register after I read that lmao.
_If you have to ask you can't afford it_
Ah good old business anything
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