Watergate, Iran & Rewriting History | feat. Walter Murch + Taghi Amirani
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Join me, Maggie Mae Fish, as we look at the groundbreaking documentary "Coup 53" from director Taghi Amirani and editor Walter Murch, plus "All the President's Men" from the master of the paranoid thriller Alan J Pakula.
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Fore more info on @Coup53 visit: www.coup53.com
Taghi's Twitter: / tagz23
Coup 53 on Twitter: / coup53
Full interview with Taghi and Walter: • Interviewing Walter Mu...
Thanks to @Yharazayd for reading the quotes about Nixon! You can find Yhara's UA-cam channel right here: / @yharazayd
More film analysis from Maggie: • Maggie Does Media Anal...
Movies/TV/video referenced:
Coup 53 (2019)
All the President's Men (1976)
Little Golden Book: Davy Crockett, Disney, 1955
Princess Bride (1987)
Stepford Wives (1975)
Return to Oz (1985)
End of Empire (1985)
The War Game (1966)
The Making of All the President's Men (1976)
The Godfather (1972)
13 Hours (2016)
How JFK's Clever TV Strategies Helped Him Win the Election • How JFK's Clever TV St...
Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961)
JFK Campaign ad (1960)
Nixon Campaign ads (1972)
Videodrome (1983)
Other references:
1619 Project (2019) New York Times
1776 Commission (2020)
Four Arguments For the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander, Quill 1978
This video is part of the series Maggie Talks About Movies - Фільми й анімація
Maggie Mae's video essay is a nice companion for Coup 53 and its
filmmakers, Taghir and Murch. In these turbulent times, Americans need
to be reminded of how our country got here with Trump after Nixon and
the Iranian Coup. Maggie Mae's wonderful analysis of the two impactful
events exposed Britain and America's dark side of our touted democracy
and international entanglements. As a filmmaker, I applaud her astute
choice to bring to viewers Coup 53 and All The President's Men as a
coupling to show our journey to our current sad state of affairs in our
country. Very insightful to join two important events of my lifetime,
the mostly overlooked Iranian Coup by the British and the U.S. Watergate
scandal which helped create the environment that gave us the Trump
presidency. What better way to illustrate and inform our present
citizenry of our past mistakes under the guise of film entertainment?
Kudos to Maggie Mae, Coup 53, and All the President's Men creators for
enlightening their audience and reminding us all that the path to change
is to learn from our mistakes and not to overlook them.
Couldn’t help but think of you when My Octopus Teacher won best documentary at the Oscars Sunday night
At last, we've passed the Vote For The Only One You Actually Watched method from Best Animated to Best Documentary.
It won WHAT?!
My Octopus Green Book
@@gregstephens (brain has committed an illegal operation and must be shut down)
Wait what?
WHAT?
...what
Maggie send help... my mother won't stop sending me My Octopus Teacher gifs and talking about how amazing their "relationship" is
it's fun saying "ALAN J PAKULA, MASTER OF THE PARANOID THRILLER" out loud, try it at home!
Please tell me you've seen "Marathon Man". I now have this kind of fantasy about you being some incredibly-knowledgeable "New Hollywood" critic. May not be accurate, but I live the idea all the same. Tell us about The Conversation. Lecture us about Logan's Run. Break down Moonraker. And, above all, instruct us in the off-Hollywood stuff we SHOULD have been watching, instead of all this dated, campy schlock.
Can confirm. It is, indeed, lots of fun
"ALAN J PAKULA, MASTER OF THE PARANOID THRILLER"
You're right, that is fun!
I messed it up! ;_;
Forgive me for repeating my comment, but I just saw yours here and felt I had to tell you what I wrote up there:
“If I had to guess, (having just discovered this channel today, and this being the fourth video I’ve seen so far) I would say that the main basis for this channel’s existence is to draw public attention to little known, or now forgotten, works of art (film, documentary, comedy, etc) by juxtaposing each piece with a better known film, documentary, comedy, etc, so as to gain the audience’s attention and interest? Though Breaking Bad will have drawn in the audience, Punishment Park is the piece you want us to see. Though All The President’s Men will appeal to a certain, mainstream of politically, “switched on,” viewers, Coup 53 is the topic of discussion and the work of art that you want us to appreciate. It’s an awesome idea, and one that many will kick themselves for not having thought of as a format; assuming I’m right?
Rambo and The Straight Story was my, “entry point,” into what you were doing, though I had already seen another piece before that. These are truly Heavyweight, intellectually challenging video essays, which have made me aware of movies and documentaries I had never heard of before, but now feel I must see and talk about with others. So, in that respect, you have realised your goal, with one viewer in the world at least.
Clever, witty presentation; interesting characters of your own creation, kept me watching. The thoughtful and thought provoking scripts you write, left me thinking afterwards. That’s rare for me. Thank you for this: for this channel and for what you are doing. The BBC (not always the villain) has a doctrine of its own, printed over the main entrance of its headquarters in London, about how it aims to, “Educate, Inform and Entertain.” I don’t know if I got the order right? But, you do all three, rather brilliantly. Thank you ✌️👍”
I meant it. 🙂
Wait wait wait...The Princess Bride and All The President's Men were written by the same guy? Well shit. I learn something new everyday, but that was not what I expected to learn today.
Lol I know, it is an older "The guy that made the big short and vice also did talladega nights."
....and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and Marathon Man and the screenplay for Misery. His books on Hollywood,Adventures in the Screen Trade and What Lie Did I Tell are fantastic
inconceivable, truly
i'll show myself out
Dog Day Afternoon and The Wiz were both directed by Sidney Lumet.
@@valmarsiglia - we don't talk about THE WIZ.
I need to see Coup 53. My father, who is in his 80s now, has for as long as I can remember brought the Iranian coup as a prime example of US interference in other countries. Both in being bad for its own sake and for the unintended consequences which ended up being a much bigger problem (i.e. the Ayatollah's revolution).
I remember talking about how America was in the middle east for oil during a geography presentation when I was 17, and the teacher was like, allegedly. If only I'd had the knowledge and guts to shout at him 'NO IT'S NOT ALLEGEDLY YOU BOOT LICKER'
Maggie looks so calm and professional in the thumbnail, it could just be a picture of any woman from the '70s.
It’s funny what Walter Murch says about trying to avoid the “uncanny valley” with Ralph Fiennes is exactly the issue I’ve had with a few Netflix documentaries recently, like Operation Varsity Blues, which features extended scenes of actors recreating phone calls Rick Singer had with his customers and it just COMPLETELY takes you out of it because you recognize that’s not actually Rick Singer... but there Matthew Modine is reading the phone transcripts.
GOLLY HELL YARA ZADE IS IN THE HOUSE AND THIS IS NOW OFFICIALLY MY SHIT
why does maggie look like she's the dean of stanford and is about to tell me i'm expelled
So I'm getting the impression your strategy is to double critique films just in case people haven't heard of the one you really want to comment on. Can't wait for a work on Pacific Rim/Monsters (2010)
ooh! you referred to the “naturalistic” acting of the 70s-this is something i instinctively understand and agree with, having seen a lot of films, but don’t have the filmmaking language to elaborate on. i would love a video breaking something like the evolution of acting styles over time. maybe?
either way your videos always make me excited about movies again!
Look up Stanislavski & Method Acting & Lee Strasberg's Actors Studio, not to mention Brando & Dean. I watched "The Hustler" recently & George C. Scott's performance absolutely blew me away!
Great idea! Maggie Mae please consider this!
As an artist I really appreciated their insights into the impressionist animation sequences, looking forward to the full interview. And I'm just so glad they managed to finally get this out there. The aftershocks of these interventions keep going for generations, just the breadth of the damage on your culture is hard to articulate.
America be like: "I'm sure all those strategies we developed to undermine democracy in other countries won't ever be used against us."
IKR? . . . 😵💫
Bravo! I have to say I freaking LOVE the detail of the fabric over the chair just like in the Savoy. My Mum went to Liberty to get some fabric to put over the chair for the shoot. ::chef's kiss::
Thank you! I loved that fabric in the movie, and I'm glad we got to reference it in the video. Love those details!
This project is increasingly just an excuse for Maggie to fangirl over her idols - and I have absolutely zero problem with that.
Just one small correction to Taghi near the end of the video, Iranians born after the revolution definitely know who Mossadegh was. He's an extremely well known and popular figure in Iran.
How did you get the filmmakers of Coup 53 for a interview? Like that's amazing! It's great to see the interviews you've been able to get for your essays. Your so good at this, it just blows my mind.
Haha I bonded with Taghi over our feelings on Octopus Teacher!!
@@MaggieMaeFish that's wonderful! I know that just won the Oscar. I need to see it for myself before I can say much on it, but I love you bonded with Taghi over the Octo teacher.
@@MaggieMaeFish Did he actually contact you over your octopus vid? That'd be incredible. Inexplicable. Supernatural.
@@MaggieMaeFish That's awesome. I was commiserating with you when it won the Oscar.
In my film classes, we always called him The Great Walter Murch. He's a fantastic editor. Every time I hear someone say JUST "Walter Murch," it throws me off lol
"Jerry Mander" is the best pseudonym I've ever heard.
I always thought Sue Doughnymme would be a great pen name.
All the president's men made me realize how powerful and dumb the U.S can be at the same time 😂
And how that never seems to change? . . . 🤷♂️ . . . 👍
People forget that Eisenhower had the same goons or fixers. History mistakenly tags him as a begnin Republican.
yhara zayd crossover whaaaaaa
Well this is a first, I'm downloading Coup 53 as we speak!
"The depth of knowledge and research throughout this UA-cam video is stunning." - Taghi and Walter, after watching Maggie's video, probably
i havent seen the documentary, but that animated part realy remainded me of waltz with bashir. and the reson they gave for it sort of seen similar aswell with trauma and intense historical event being best interpreted with a sort of dreamlike/impressionist take on it.
Waltz with Bashir is an amazing piece of film
As a film editor who's idolized Walter Murch since film school, I am so sincerely jealous you got to interview him.
(Also I love this video)
Awww maggie, i never want your videos to end :(
How did I not see this when it was posted! Very interesting!
Such a comprehensive and well-researched essay! Thank you, Maggie! Just a correction: the country's name is pronounced "ee-ran", not "I-ran". It may sound like an innocent common mistake but it is not. There is a video title "Iran vs. Eye-ran" on UA-cam that is worth checking out. Thank you again for the great work!
Another amazing essay, and now I must see Coup 53. And All the President's Men, which I keep circling around but haven't seen.
Big props on getting to speak to legendary Walter Murch.
And I'm fired to see "Coup 53"
Thanks! I'm going to watch Coup 53 this week-end!
I got too ridiculously happy and fangirly when I heard Yhara Zayd’s voice.
Me toooooo!
Amazing work Maggie! Your channel is regularly giving me great new ideas for my studies. Really appreciate it. And thank you for providing us with a link to the doc.
I just finished rereading The Complete Persepolis, and this seem like a great companion piece for telling a story of Iranians, by Iranians, for Iranians.
We respect Return to Oz in this house.
Oh, I can't wait to finish work to go watch Coup 53! Then come back and rewatch this.
Wow this feature seems more timely than ever - not that an interview with Walter Murch is ever out of vogue! Thanks from 2022 for adding yet another few films to my "to watch" list and thanks for all of your content!!
Epic and great as ever! Thank you, and awesome that you and Yhara zyad worked together!
I love how each of these videos exposes me to ANOTHER film I’ve never heard of that I must now see! I saw “Punishment Park” because of you!
This is an incredible video. In the space of half an hour, you've introduced me to a film I want to see, reminded me to rewatch a film I enjoy, given a fascinating perspective on viewpoint in film making, and highlighted a lot of details about film making that I'd completely missed. Thank you so much for making it!
Not only I learnt a lot about film analysis but also about the impact of all of this themes, that the movies like All the President's Men and Coup 53, have in our daily life. Save Marta
Been waiting for this since the pre-premiere notification went up!
Well Maggie, this is the best video on your Channel that I have viewed thus far.
Excellent work!
You can tell everyone on the call is a serious creator by how well you composed, lit and dressed your own selves and living rooms.
I watched Coup 53 because of your video. Superb analysis! Thank you
Welp, it almost took me a year but I finally watched Coup 53 and Maggie's follow up and it's all incredible! Very frustrating to hear this film didn't find wide distribution. It's a really impressive piece of work, so thank you Maggie for spreading the good word!
This is a great videoand you are a great interviewer! Thanks for this.
Girl, you TOTALLY nailed the “1984 upper crust English person being interviewed vibe. Kudos!
This was Great! The stuff about Eisenhower made me think of a book I read by Daniel Ellsberg several years ago. Most people probably know but if not for Ellsberg there may not have been a Watergate. Ellsberg was a very hawkish person who began his career as a Marine and then a military planner for the Defense department. He was the one that released the top secret Pentagon papers to the public which showed that everything that the Left had been saying about the war in Vietnam was true. (E.g., the Gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't spontaneous but the result of a conscious effort to provoke the North Vietnamese in order to justify increased US involvement) It was Nixon's paranoia about further leaks such as Ellsberg's that caused him to create "the plumbers" who were the group behind the Watergate break-in.
The book I read by Ellsberg was: "The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear Planner". I encourage everyone to read it. Essentially if you remember the movie Dr. Strangelove it turns out that in reality not only was there the equivalent of a "Plan R" that gave commanders authority to use nuclear weapons without presidential approval but in reality the controls were far less stringent than the "Plan R" in the movie. Under Eisenhower Ellsberg did a review of the actual nuclear command and control system and what he found shocked him and started his journey from right wing hawk to someone who risked everything to release secret documents to the public. Contrary to what we were told local commanders of individual bases had authority to use nuclear weapons without presidential approval at all and when Ellsberg reported this up the chain of command people either already knew or didn't care, including probably Eisenhower. The book is fascinating for the look into the real "military industrial complex" and how what we were told was so wildly different from the truth about nuclear weapons.
Ooh that book sounds fascinating. Thanks for the context!
All the President’s Men is one of my Top 10 favorite movies, and I’ve studied 20th century Islamist movements, so this video is right up my alley.
I love it!!
Especially your reflection on Iran and colonialism, since Mosadegh’s repression is so pivotal to that history; I’ve only seen it mentioned in passing in Argo, so I love seeing folks talk about it more here!
Now I just have to watch Coup ‘53 to complement it.
Loved this video! Waltz With Bashir is another documentary that spectacularly uses animation to represent the emotional memories of its interview subjects that came to mind while watching.
Ms Mae Fish this video was incredible - amazing observations, succinct storytelling, fantastic interview as well. Love to see your work! I'm going to go watch both of these films immediately.
Thanks for drawing attention to this story.
Yet another insightful and rewarding analysis. Like just a few before you, you set standards as you create them.
First of all, you are a great interviewer and super sharp! Little note: the country is pronounced "ee-ran" not "I-ran". What a tragedy! This was the major excuse used for the Iranian Revolution of 1979 - done mostly by the young leftist Iranians who were not the majority of Iranians, but were the ones with the loud speakers... the writers, and artists of the time. Unfortunately, the Islamic clergy stole the revolution from them, weaseled their way to power, and once in charge, they incarcerated, tortured and executed every single one of them that they could get their hands on... along with hundreds of thousands of other innocent people. For the past 4 decades, the Islamic Republic of Iran has been terrorizing the Iranian people with their blood thirsty dictatorship. They imprison, torture, and execute anyone who speaks against them, including environmental activists. Today, other that those who work for ,or kiss up to that regime, no-one in Iran is free, not even the animals.
I had no idea this video was dropping today! yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
thank you so much.
thank you
I guess I better watch All the President’s Men tomorrow.
Tks crime procedural has been all the rage for 15+ years. This is the theatrically-based version/inspiration. It's not as well-paced as your Elliot/Stabler weekly adventure, but it works. More patience = more pay-off.
Also Gordon Willis’ visuals are gorgeous
I start watching the video. I pause the video. I Google "Coup 53. I go to the website. I buy the video. I watch the video. My mind is blown. I come back here.
This. This is how the internet is supposed to work.
😎😎😎
Wow, damn impressed that you got to talk to those two.
it's interesting how the impression of the primary antagonist of the story being forever circumscribed by a television screen has developed as the movie has aged. i'm sure when the movie was first released, people on television felt giant, untouchable, rarified. nowadays, they feel small, trapped, locked in a box even death can't free them from as the inevitability of their fate moves around them.
My "look" goals is literally maggie in this video
This is some of your best work. Never seen interviews in the essays before, and is more effective to the viewers understanding of the topic that just quoting sources. I guess it’s because of the visual medium of UA-cam. That being said quoting sources is still important and necessary, so to be more accurate, your balance of interviews and quoting is good on this video.
Thank you Maggie great video and introduction to these two films. Sad it didn't perform as well as other videos.
It was interesting hearing Taghi Amirani and Walter Murch talk about the re-enactment and the animation because I've been watching a lot of (classic Robert Stack) Unsolved Mysteries lately, and that show relied heavily on re-enactment. They even got as many of the original people as they could to "play" themselves in the re-enactments and they got look-alike actors, many of which look very eerily like their real-life counterparts in the interviews, or like younger versions of their real-life counterparts. Sometimes it takes on a major "uncanny valley" vibe.
I don't think Unsolved Mysteries was as careful about distinguishing between re-enactments and reality as the makers of Coup 53, and sometimes things seems to get muddled together when Unsolved mixes real footage in with the re-enactments. I wish Unsolved Mysteries had been more upfront with their re-enactments.
me, a Brazilian, seeing that box written "João Goulart" passing by: this_is_fine.jpeg
Holy fuck that's an amazing animation style.
Ope, only a minute and 25 sec in and already know this vid is gonna be fire
If I had to guess, (having just discovered this channel today, and this being the fourth video I’ve seen so far) I would say that the main basis for this channel’s existence is to draw public attention to little known, or now forgotten, works of art (film, documentary, comedy, etc) by juxtaposing each piece with a better known film, documentary, comedy, etc, so as to gain the audience’s attention and interest? Though Breaking Bad will have drawn in the audience, Punishment Park is the piece you want us to see. Though All The President’s Men will appeal to a certain, mainstream of politically, “switched on,” viewers, Coup 53 is the topic of discussion and the work of art that you want us to appreciate. It’s an awesome idea, and one that many will kick themselves for not having thought of as a format; assuming I’m right?
Rambo and The Straight Story was my, “entry point,” into what you were doing, though I had already seen another piece before that. These are truly Heavyweight, intellectually challenging video essays, which have made me aware of movies and documentaries I had never heard of before, but now feel I must see and talk about with others. So, in that respect, you have realised your goal, with one viewer in the world at least.
Clever, witty presentation; interesting characters of your own creation, kept me watching. The thoughtful and thought provoking scripts you write, left me thinking afterwards. That’s rare for me. Thank you for this: for this channel and for what you are doing. The BBC (not always the villain) has a doctrine of its own, printed over the main entrance of its headquarters in London, about how it aims to, “Educate, Inform and Entertain.” I don’t know if I got the order right? But, you do all three, rather brilliantly. Thank you ✌️👍
Wow your videos are really good 👍
Maggie post a video:
Me: *vry happy*
Yhara shows up:
Me: *vry happy screams*
This was so fantastic; I can't wait to watch Coup 53 for myself. I'm exceptionally pleased about this cameo by Yara too, everyone should check out her excellent channel!
Adam Curtis' The Century of the Self, Bitter Lake, HyperNormalisation, and his most recent "emotional documentary" Can't Get You Out of My Head, encapsulate the history and scale of this battle over truth. Just about the most worthwhile things you can watch to understand present day reality imo. Century of the Self should be mandatory viewing.
great vid, this deserves to have the views your other vids do :(
What a cool collaboration!
Very interesting how they take the artifice away for the Darbyshire interview. Almost Brechtian.
Hey Maggie it’s good to see you again !
What. The guy's name was Jerry Mander? I know gerrymandering was named for Elbridge Gerry, but please tell me in a bout of autonomic determination, he worked on gerrymandering during his career.
I really enjoy these deep analyses that cross boundaries. I have learned so much from this one and the video about T.S. Elliot. That one was especially topical for me as I'm reading Hocus Pocus and Vonnegut made the point that the Nazis considered themselves a Christian army, the swastika was a cross of axes, and the highest German military honor being the Iron Cross.
These videos are enlightening.
thank you Maggie
Oh, I know where this is going
What a great film. Did not expect a Kinzer feature!
wow! Maggie is killing it! Go Maggie Go!
I wish I knew about your youtube channel earlier.
You're awesome Maggie Mae Fish!
(Please... my Martha... someone must save her)
Thank you for this video Maggie! I loved it! :)
*And here comes watch #2!
Maggie's gone and done it. She just busted out her best CENTRIST (dirty word, I know) look for this video and I'm here for every second of it while she radicalizes normies into looking up and learning about the imperial and neo-colonial classic of meddling and traumatizing entire regions in the process. I'm from Venezuela, I took History when I was in university, and this video essay was fascinating. I didn't know about this documentary and the fact that Mr. Fiennes was a part of it makes me want to check it out stat. Thanks Maggie!
i enjoyed this so much!
You always add movies to my watchlist!
You crush it with every video. Love it
man, that part on the fourth wall, and the way the film decides to portray actual facts from interpretations via animation and everything, that the most clever use of the fourth wall break i've ever seen to this day, which also got me thinking, considering you did your own small wall break too, is there even such a thing as a fourth wall on youtube? in the platform which almost always opens with a variation of "HEY GUYS"? could a fourth wall break in the way coup 53 portrays it be even possible in this platform? idk
anyways as you can imagine this video is huuuuuuuuuuge and super thought provoking aaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;w; good shit
does replying to a comment count as breaking the 4th wall?!?!?
Great video. Thank you.
Thank you for this video, I never would have heard of this otherwise! I'm going to buy and watch it later today. Only £4.99 to rent feels too cheap. :)
I can't believe there's an actual, real-life human being named Jerry Mander. Are Jim Crow and Phill Abuster real people too?
Thank you
This was such a good video!!!
If we keep the naming convention of Coup 53, there are very few years in the latter half of the 20th century where we couldn't have a film documenting at least one US instigated coup.
A somewhat late addition to this... my favourite graffito ever, I found on a toilet wall in the Troubadour club in London in the mid Seventies. Was playing a gig there (yep. I'm old!) and encountered the pithiest slogan written on said toilet wall...it said, simply:-
NIXON SACKS COX!
Succinct, to the point, and funny. Don't know why this stayed in the back of my brain, all this time, but i laughed out loud at the time.
10/10 as a history class
.....maggie mae fish in a suit