In theory, Rudy doesn’t even need to be on the battlefield as he clearly wasn’t dragging his messed up body through a tank round the streets during season 1, meaning he could just send his best drones on the field to take them all down.
A-train also ran around the city and hopped in a car with Starlight and Hughy before they noticed. That's one of his more impressive feats, even if it's hard to quantify
It's not that impressive in terms of Scaling. It's just a great use of superspeed and showing how broken it can be if used right. Even going at something like 100 Miles per hour it should only take you about 1 hour or so to find a random person in an entire city
Bro using the team in the Sequid fight was overkill, considering they have Eve and Immortal... Literally the most inexperienced Guardian team that replaced the originals was more than enough to take down the S7ven.
Monster Girl and Black Samson alone are taking out the 7 sis me they can actually fight, hell even BulletSponge-Kate could take out at least half of em without breaking sweat
“Actually fighting” is a horrible overused point that makes no sense (probably given by a false sense of security due to Batman-esque tropes). Martial arts is only useful when the gap in power between the opponents is close. You can argue that all you want, but a Mike Tyson would be obliterated by a regular silverback Gorilla…. And Gorilla is only 300-500% stronger than peak human. Monster Girl would not be happy against Homelander or Soldier Boy (or A-train if he ever went offensive). She would take Black Noir with ease, but flop to the big guns massively. Homelander can move comfortably at Mach 23, which is already as fast as a bullet comparatively to Monster girl. (Mach-1 is a bullet-time for a regular human being. Mach 10-20 is a bullet-time for a supe…. So, she still has super-agility and reflexes, but Mach 20 is such a high speed that it does not matter). Mach 23 speed is a speed of exploding C4 charge, which Homelander outpaced and carried Butcher with a baby from an exploding house. Monster girl can only move as fast as MCU Hulk, which is more about brute force and leaps than actual super-speed. Now, we also need to consider the version of Homelander. If we take comic Homelander, he rips Monster Girl another one…. And I am talking about hyper-powerful infant-monster-girl we saw in comics. In comics, Homelander is ridiculously strong. He lifts an entire bridge with ONE HAND without any effort. Not Vultramite level of strength, but enough to level a city block if he finger flicks the ground….. because THAT is how much grip strength he has mathematically. Comic Homelander would be very vincible against monster girl’s attacks, because he is LESS durable in comics than he is in the show (sub-nuclear). However, with TV Homelander it is even WORSE. Let’s me explain one important detail: Russian scientist in the lab, when torturing Soldier Boy and speaking about what they did to him (in Russian) mentions “nuclear incident” and refers to some dates (also in Russian)….. Easter Egg. It means that the infamous Tzar bomb test that occurred on those dates IRL…. In the boy universe proved to be INEFFECTIVE at killing Soldier Boy. So, soldier boy in TV show is not just super-nuclear in terms of durability. He tanked one of the biggest nuclear yields in recorded human history without a scratch/healed quickly without any noticeable scarring or damage to his body. Let that sink in. And Homelander is slightly tougher than that, since son and all. Although it seems silly, but yes, at full potential, TV Homelander can move at Mach 23 and requires a very very VERY big nuclear yield to take down. That is a bit silly in terms of power scaling, since that would mean that Soldier Boy’s fists should have generated city-leveling shockwaves to bruise Homelander….. but that is how lore goes. The reason why collateral damage in Boys is so minimal, is because of the budget and emotional impact. Same reason why Translucent did not have literal explosive diarrhea (since skin is equally tough from both sides)… because it would ruin the emotional moment for hughie. Same thing here. Soldier Boy VS Homelander brawl was toned down massively in terms of realistic damage and collateral impact…. Because otherwise human beings like MM would be useless in the vicinity of 100 kilometers of the event. And that would ruin MM’s moment. So, both comic and TV Homelander will stale-mate/kill Monster Girl (who will turn younger and more powerful)…. And it is not even a contest. Black Samson is even worse. If not for his mumbo-jumbo power up against Omnipotus, I would discard him outright. If you consider his power-up feat, you can argue that if Soldier Boy is dumb-enough to Beirut-explode them on sight, Black Sampson gets power up and defeats him. But without that, he DIES. Black Sampson had issues with beating that tough lizard guy… you know, the one who died from a hand granade to the throat? So, base Black Sampson would get beaten and disrespected to a pulp by both Soldier Boy and Homelander
@@kingol4801 Immortal meanwhile is out here casually being on par with Omni-Man. Immortal solos the 7 and it's nowhere near fair. It's a fight between a superteam we have no reason to believe is even remotely cohesive, and a guy that's been around since the days of ancient Rome.
Atom Eve, Immortal, or Bulletproof solo. Also why are you saying Maive tanked Soldier Boys beam? She lost her powers from that, she quite literally did the opposite of tanking it.
She lost her powers, but unlike the other heroes hit with the blast, she is the only one to have survived with barely any wound. So she did tank it. Remember its the radiation that took away their powers.
Post Conquest Mark would absolutely Massacre the Seven literally 1 hit all of them and then ragdoll Homelander and Starlight would probaly betray the seven by helping mark or running away cause she hates them all besides Maeve
I think you gave the Seven too much credit tbh. Omni Man, from some *very* rough mental math I did, is traveling ~0.8c when he destroys the Flaxan planet. (He is able to ignite fusion "explosions" several hundred meters in diameter) Some rough math, giving A-train the benefit of the doubt, with his race with Shockwave give the track length ~500 yards (in reality way less than that, but whatever). And since no one was able to react to the race, I'd place his completion time at around 10ms, which is a bit below the threshold for human perception to visual stimuli. Which would put his speed at ~45,720 m/s (164592 m/s), which equates to mach 133, or 0.0001c. We have no reason to believe that Homelander is significantly faster than this, but even if he was 100x faster, he would lack the reaction time to blink before Omni Man could kill him. Considering Red Rush was *so* much faster than Omni Man, and Immortal was able to react to Red Rush running at him at the end of the first episode, that puts Immortal and Omni Man as roughly being at the same speed and reaction speed. None of the other Guardians are really portrayed as being a drag on Immortal or Invincible, (even if they are significantly slower and weaker, minus Eve) so we can assume they're around those speeds, at least in reaction time. In terms of durability, the only characters I am confident in having super durability (to a significant degree) are: Immortal (tanked punches from Omni Man, which can go through steel or concrete very easily), Monster Girl (Is hit by Battle Beast and *barely* survives, which was earlier shown to damage Invincible, to a lesser degree), and Bulletproof, who (while I haven't read the comics) appears to be a sort of Invincible-Lite, and can also tank hits. The Seven seem to have a higher floor for durability, but the extremes of what they are subjected to are far lower than what characters in Invincible are. TL;DR: A-Train and Homelander are several hundred times slower than Omni-Man and other heavy hitters, and have lower durability as well.
My only real issue of this video is I get Mark not being here since he's not a member of the guardians but Eve isn't a member either sure she declined multiples times to join and went solo.
in season 2, she does basically the same as Mark did, she tells Cecil, that she wont join fully, but that she is on call whenever they need her, which is why I have her as a parttimer
@@TheFictionalMatrix Okay thanks for the explanation. But I think we can all agree that as incompetent as the guardians are they're still better than the Seven.
He’s pathetic, and both in the comics and in the show it is meant to be his whole character. Just like Aqua Man, nobody takes him seriously and he’s a joke.
The 7 are essentially actors. Yes, they have some skill, and some of them can be pretty dangerous. Most of the time, though, they're going up against regular humans. Homelander especially has no real fighting prowes, he basically just lasers shit. The only one I can see being an actual threat in any capacity is Black Noir, because he was a soldier and knows how to fight. The Guardians of the Globe are dysfunctional as all hell, but everyone on the team are _actual_ superheroes who know how to fight. The Guardians win, easily
@@Iianator he was never tested against a nuke, its speculated that those might not be enough, but he was never tested against that power. In the comics they even have a nuke as the way to control him. And while comic and show arent the same, the feats shown are close enough. The mountain speculation from my part is assuming we get Maeve from town to city which would upscale Homelander to those levels, frankly he has nothing near that.
Immortal cannot tank a nuke.. Invincible did (dodged the epicenter last second) and it hurt, but Immortal will explode just like the Mauler Twins did. Soldier Boy endured Tzar bomb with no noticeable damage or scarring. Source: During the Soldier Boy torture video, Russian scientist referring to “nuclear event” in russian, mentioning dates that coincide with IRL test of that weapon. Cool Easter egg. Also, Homelander moves at Mach 23, since he outpaced C4 charge AND saved the baby AND saved Butcher with ease. It was a cakewalk for him. Enraged and bloodlusted Immortal approached Omni-man in Season 1 finale at Mach 5……. LOL So, Immortal, if we include consistent physics, will be out-paced by something 5 times faster than him… If you ever played Cyberpunk 2077 video game, you would know that 5 times faster feels like almost completely immobile to NPCs… time freeze and all. On top of being almost useless when landing in hits. Immortal is cool, but he is just a glorified good-guy Vandal Savage. No feasible threat.
Immortals speed scaling that you used is only his flight speed. His reaction and combat speed would scale to Omni man who was able to cross several galaxies in a month making him millions of times ftl. Also immortal not being shown to tank a nuke doesn’t matter. He was able to take hits and damage Omni man who was able to wipe out the flaxan race which has calcs on the low end at small country levels of power and the high end multi-continental levels of power. Soldier boy surviving the tsar bomba is still 1000’s of times less impressive than a lowballed Omni man and there are mountain level calcs for season 1 mark which is still over 10x stronger than the tsar bomba. The guardians wash the 7 no matter what wank scaling you use for them.
Bro immortal can revive even if he hurt to much and also he made omni man bleed and And survived several punches from Omni Man and so far he can win against invincible and immortal lived for thousands of years wish it makes him a god Bro let's be honest even bulletproof or war women or robot can solo the 7
@@TheFictionalMatrix true asf I’m surprised people think they’d lose to the 7 ig it isn’t as crazy as people on twitter saying shigi can solo the jjk verse😂😂
I think people greatly overestimate the 7. Especially in the show, they’d get absolutely destroyed by Invincible characters.
Even in show they aren't all that all you need to whoop the ever loving shit out of homelander is like 10 dubes hopped up on v
The 7 is extremely underestimated, they ain’t even that weak 💀
@@THEGOVERNORFEELS they pretty trash my dawg literally the opposite of what the guardians are putting both teams side by side the 7 is a joke
@@THEGOVERNORFEELS they are like barely above street level supes at best
@@billyboleson2830 your opinion
7 are a joke they are just “actors” who care about fame the guardians take super hero business seriously and be on the grey area like robot.
Yea robot takes super heroism. Too seriously ....
@@100_funsshatta and became a anti villain in the process.
I definitely wouldn’t say there just actors but I see what you mean
In theory, Rudy doesn’t even need to be on the battlefield as he clearly wasn’t dragging his messed up body through a tank round the streets during season 1, meaning he could just send his best drones on the field to take them all down.
Bro omni man and mark solo the 7🤣🤣🤣
they dont need them to beat the Fodder 7 tbh
Omni man no diff
Mark prob high-extreme just cuz homelander
Edit: i am stupid
@@xthax9718they both one shot 💀
@@joshgonzalez9362 me when can't powerscale 💀
Solo means only one person. Two people can’t solo anything. Omni man could solo the 7 and mark could solo the 7.
A-train also ran around the city and hopped in a car with Starlight and Hughy before they noticed. That's one of his more impressive feats, even if it's hard to quantify
It's not that impressive in terms of Scaling. It's just a great use of superspeed and showing how broken it can be if used right.
Even going at something like 100 Miles per hour it should only take you about 1 hour or so to find a random person in an entire city
Love how he had to remove mark to give em a chance
Bro using the team in the Sequid fight was overkill, considering they have Eve and Immortal... Literally the most inexperienced Guardian team that replaced the originals was more than enough to take down the S7ven.
Monster Girl and Black Samson alone are taking out the 7 sis me they can actually fight, hell even BulletSponge-Kate could take out at least half of em without breaking sweat
“Actually fighting” is a horrible overused point that makes no sense (probably given by a false sense of security due to Batman-esque tropes).
Martial arts is only useful when the gap in power between the opponents is close.
You can argue that all you want, but a Mike Tyson would be obliterated by a regular silverback Gorilla…. And Gorilla is only 300-500% stronger than peak human.
Monster Girl would not be happy against Homelander or Soldier Boy (or A-train if he ever went offensive).
She would take Black Noir with ease, but flop to the big guns massively.
Homelander can move comfortably at Mach 23, which is already as fast as a bullet comparatively to Monster girl. (Mach-1 is a bullet-time for a regular human being. Mach 10-20 is a bullet-time for a supe…. So, she still has super-agility and reflexes, but Mach 20 is such a high speed that it does not matter).
Mach 23 speed is a speed of exploding C4 charge, which Homelander outpaced and carried Butcher with a baby from an exploding house.
Monster girl can only move as fast as MCU Hulk, which is more about brute force and leaps than actual super-speed.
Now, we also need to consider the version of Homelander.
If we take comic Homelander, he rips Monster Girl another one…. And I am talking about hyper-powerful infant-monster-girl we saw in comics.
In comics, Homelander is ridiculously strong. He lifts an entire bridge with ONE HAND without any effort.
Not Vultramite level of strength, but enough to level a city block if he finger flicks the ground….. because THAT is how much grip strength he has mathematically.
Comic Homelander would be very vincible against monster girl’s attacks, because he is LESS durable in comics than he is in the show (sub-nuclear).
However, with TV Homelander it is even WORSE.
Let’s me explain one important detail: Russian scientist in the lab, when torturing Soldier Boy and speaking about what they did to him (in Russian) mentions “nuclear incident” and refers to some dates (also in Russian)…..
Easter Egg. It means that the infamous Tzar bomb test that occurred on those dates IRL…. In the boy universe proved to be INEFFECTIVE at killing Soldier Boy.
So, soldier boy in TV show is not just super-nuclear in terms of durability. He tanked one of the biggest nuclear yields in recorded human history without a scratch/healed quickly without any noticeable scarring or damage to his body.
Let that sink in. And Homelander is slightly tougher than that, since son and all.
Although it seems silly, but yes, at full potential, TV Homelander can move at Mach 23 and requires a very very VERY big nuclear yield to take down.
That is a bit silly in terms of power scaling, since that would mean that Soldier Boy’s fists should have generated city-leveling shockwaves to bruise Homelander….. but that is how lore goes.
The reason why collateral damage in Boys is so minimal, is because of the budget and emotional impact.
Same reason why Translucent did not have literal explosive diarrhea (since skin is equally tough from both sides)… because it would ruin the emotional moment for hughie.
Same thing here. Soldier Boy VS Homelander brawl was toned down massively in terms of realistic damage and collateral impact…. Because otherwise human beings like MM would be useless in the vicinity of 100 kilometers of the event. And that would ruin MM’s moment.
So, both comic and TV Homelander will stale-mate/kill Monster Girl (who will turn younger and more powerful)…. And it is not even a contest.
Black Samson is even worse. If not for his mumbo-jumbo power up against Omnipotus, I would discard him outright. If you consider his power-up feat, you can argue that if Soldier Boy is dumb-enough to Beirut-explode them on sight, Black Sampson gets power up and defeats him. But without that, he DIES.
Black Sampson had issues with beating that tough lizard guy… you know, the one who died from a hand granade to the throat?
So, base Black Sampson would get beaten and disrespected to a pulp by both Soldier Boy and Homelander
@@kingol4801 Immortal meanwhile is out here casually being on par with Omni-Man. Immortal solos the 7 and it's nowhere near fair. It's a fight between a superteam we have no reason to believe is even remotely cohesive, and a guy that's been around since the days of ancient Rome.
the immortal solos by himself, but adding the rest is overkill
War woman can solo homelander, stormfront and soldier boy
Atom Eve, Immortal, or Bulletproof solo.
Also why are you saying Maive tanked Soldier Boys beam? She lost her powers from that, she quite literally did the opposite of tanking it.
She lost her powers, but unlike the other heroes hit with the blast, she is the only one to have survived with barely any wound. So she did tank it. Remember its the radiation that took away their powers.
Post Conquest Mark would absolutely Massacre the Seven literally 1 hit all of them and then ragdoll Homelander and Starlight would probaly betray the seven by helping mark or running away cause she hates them all besides Maeve
season 2 Invincible can one shot the seven
Season 1 invincible would one shot the seven
S1 e1 would take out atleast 4 of them
Good video love invincible content
The 7 without Homelander, could be dealt with a very specialized task force, countering their strenghts.
The fact that the Guardians could even put a dent in Omni Man means they’d sweep the Seven
Edit: nvm just remembered the deep exists, he solos
I think you gave the Seven too much credit tbh.
Omni Man, from some *very* rough mental math I did, is traveling ~0.8c when he destroys the Flaxan planet. (He is able to ignite fusion "explosions" several hundred meters in diameter)
Some rough math, giving A-train the benefit of the doubt, with his race with Shockwave give the track length ~500 yards (in reality way less than that, but whatever). And since no one was able to react to the race, I'd place his completion time at around 10ms, which is a bit below the threshold for human perception to visual stimuli. Which would put his speed at ~45,720 m/s (164592 m/s), which equates to mach 133, or 0.0001c. We have no reason to believe that Homelander is significantly faster than this, but even if he was 100x faster, he would lack the reaction time to blink before Omni Man could kill him.
Considering Red Rush was *so* much faster than Omni Man, and Immortal was able to react to Red Rush running at him at the end of the first episode, that puts Immortal and Omni Man as roughly being at the same speed and reaction speed. None of the other Guardians are really portrayed as being a drag on Immortal or Invincible, (even if they are significantly slower and weaker, minus Eve) so we can assume they're around those speeds, at least in reaction time.
In terms of durability, the only characters I am confident in having super durability (to a significant degree) are: Immortal (tanked punches from Omni Man, which can go through steel or concrete very easily), Monster Girl (Is hit by Battle Beast and *barely* survives, which was earlier shown to damage Invincible, to a lesser degree), and Bulletproof, who (while I haven't read the comics) appears to be a sort of Invincible-Lite, and can also tank hits.
The Seven seem to have a higher floor for durability, but the extremes of what they are subjected to are far lower than what characters in Invincible are.
TL;DR: A-Train and Homelander are several hundred times slower than Omni-Man and other heavy hitters, and have lower durability as well.
Damn, this was awesome to read
Cecil would send an orbital strike and massacre the entire 7
My only real issue of this video is I get Mark not being here since he's not a member of the guardians but Eve isn't a member either sure she declined multiples times to join and went solo.
in season 2, she does basically the same as Mark did, she tells Cecil, that she wont join fully, but that she is on call whenever they need her, which is why I have her as a parttimer
@@TheFictionalMatrix Okay thanks for the explanation. But I think we can all agree that as incompetent as the guardians are they're still better than the Seven.
I still think the deep hasn’t shown his true power
Bro has octopus powers 🤣☠️
He’s pathetic, and both in the comics and in the show it is meant to be his whole character. Just like Aqua Man, nobody takes him seriously and he’s a joke.
I heard the terms "town/small city/city/mountain/moon level" being used unironically and i just closed the vid
The 7 are essentially actors. Yes, they have some skill, and some of them can be pretty dangerous. Most of the time, though, they're going up against regular humans. Homelander especially has no real fighting prowes, he basically just lasers shit. The only one I can see being an actual threat in any capacity is Black Noir, because he was a soldier and knows how to fight.
The Guardians of the Globe are dysfunctional as all hell, but everyone on the team are _actual_ superheroes who know how to fight. The Guardians win, easily
The Guardians take it without difficulty.
rex splode solos
he is the goat
Comic Hawkeye with prep time solos the seven. And that’s not a compliment to him.
invincable alone would annihilate them without much contest.. I mean assuming he fought life or death like when he was fighting alongside his dad
The immortal alone would solo everyone on the seven with little to no difficulty
Which between Animation vs Live-Action(not in Real-Life)
The power plant feat was small town
And how is homelanders nuke statements mountain level. He was tested as a kid, not as an adult so all statements would count from that
@@Iianator he was never tested against a nuke, its speculated that those might not be enough, but he was never tested against that power. In the comics they even have a nuke as the way to control him. And while comic and show arent the same, the feats shown are close enough.
The mountain speculation from my part is assuming we get Maeve from town to city which would upscale Homelander to those levels, frankly he has nothing near that.
Yo Please Is Guts(Berserk)Vs The Seven Close!
The Guardians of the Globe would win easy! None of the Seven are real superheroes, they're literally nothing but influencers with superpowers.
Immortal alone clears the seven to be honest
pretty much
Immortal cannot tank a nuke.. Invincible did (dodged the epicenter last second) and it hurt, but Immortal will explode just like the Mauler Twins did.
Soldier Boy endured Tzar bomb with no noticeable damage or scarring.
Source: During the Soldier Boy torture video, Russian scientist referring to “nuclear event” in russian, mentioning dates that coincide with IRL test of that weapon. Cool Easter egg.
Also, Homelander moves at Mach 23, since he outpaced C4 charge AND saved the baby AND saved Butcher with ease. It was a cakewalk for him.
Enraged and bloodlusted Immortal approached Omni-man in Season 1 finale at Mach 5……. LOL
So, Immortal, if we include consistent physics, will be out-paced by something 5 times faster than him…
If you ever played Cyberpunk 2077 video game, you would know that 5 times faster feels like almost completely immobile to NPCs… time freeze and all.
On top of being almost useless when landing in hits.
Immortal is cool, but he is just a glorified good-guy Vandal Savage. No feasible threat.
Immortals speed scaling that you used is only his flight speed. His reaction and combat speed would scale to Omni man who was able to cross several galaxies in a month making him millions of times ftl. Also immortal not being shown to tank a nuke doesn’t matter. He was able to take hits and damage Omni man who was able to wipe out the flaxan race which has calcs on the low end at small country levels of power and the high end multi-continental levels of power. Soldier boy surviving the tsar bomba is still 1000’s of times less impressive than a lowballed Omni man and there are mountain level calcs for season 1 mark which is still over 10x stronger than the tsar bomba.
The guardians wash the 7 no matter what wank scaling you use for them.
Bro immortal can revive even if he hurt to much and also he made omni man bleed and And survived several punches from Omni Man and so far he can win against invincible and immortal lived for thousands of years wish it makes him a god Bro let's be honest even bulletproof or war women or robot can solo the 7
People seriously underestimate the Seven.
Rex can beat The Boys verse alone cmn
Mark solos The Boys Verse.
Imortal doesnt need back up
facts
Why js this even a topic?😂the 7 aren’t even a good team lmfao
just wanted to further drive the point home, also people downplay the guardians too much
@@TheFictionalMatrix true asf I’m surprised people think they’d lose to the 7 ig it isn’t as crazy as people on twitter saying shigi can solo the jjk verse😂😂
Mark isn't actually a Guardian
End is season 1 mark clears the team until we he gets to homelander which he might still win.. but since ur referring to season 2 mark. No match
Season 1 mark one shots homelander even if you wank him
Hot take, Rexplode beats Homelander and pretty easily too
Ohhhhh, shoot!!!! He def could beat him
If he explodes his skeleton
It’s Shapesmith not martian man
u are right
Eve solos. Now let's see what you have to say.
she def can
She has the power to literally anything, she is literally Doctor Manhattan but pink.