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So you’re selling out? Ground dot news is for the media illiterate… isn’t that advertising writing off your viewers intelligence? But what am I to say you mentioned “internet” so many times in the first 15 minutes that i didn’t know Cisco or juniper devices could talk so much about the red pill or femininity…
There are three far better words, that are at the core of the expressed desire you are reacting to, (excluding all the Islamic and hyper-red-pill haremist bullshit), giving the most charitable/good faith perception of the rest of it then from my point of view: those words are; humble, charitable, and innocent. When these things are a part of a woman's character in a healthy way, they are not demeaning or infantilizing. Certainly, this also applies to men in their own masculine way, as a gentleman should also have these qualities in a manly fashion, but likewise in particular to women; humility, charity, and innocence are excellent signs of inner beauty, (at any age), which is what keeps a man bound to a woman much more than her exterior. Now, are there idiots out there who just want to have a harem of smooth-brained but externally sexy young women at their beck and call whenever they please? Sure, and I'll gladly condemn that behavior right along with you. Are they the other side of the coin from feminists and are making the world a worse place to live in and raise a family, just like them? Absolutely. - Let men be men, let women be women, and when both are in submission to God, then great harmony and flourishing grows.
Apologies if this is not the appropriate avenue, but I'm wondering if you'd be interested in a Podcast interview on how writers could use these archetypes to help develop characters.
It is literally a lived experience, you are not listening to what they are saying you are missing what they are saying. Women for some reason don’t listen to facts and act like children. You can’t argue with them that’s why people say women are like children and why men are so frustrated with them. It’s literally like talking to a fucking child.
It's interesting that "docile, submissive" and "childlike" often go together, when actual children are typically the opposite of that. Children are not naturally obedient, they have to be taught to be that way. Disobedient and/or creative children get called immature or naive.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS!!! It is so ridiculous when I hear that little girls are somehow submissive. Like I don’t know what kind of kids these people are around _and I hope they’re not around any kids_ but from my experience little girls do not wanna listen to any kind of crap at all. 😂
That is a good insight. I don't know these men, who claim to speak for the male collective voice to promote their sexual desirability, can't see their contradictions.
I was a cheerful, expressive, eccentric, dreamful child, often labelled "naive" or "childish" even at the age of 6 or 7, who was forced to become quiet and repressed, because I was taught (and internalised) the idea that who I was is inherently wrong. I ended up stifling myself to avoid mistreatment, and I felt a sense of power at the time... but now I realise I gave them exactly what they wanted. Currently I am trying to unlearn those habits and return to my true personality as much as I can. (within reason)
That's why this video makes no sense. Men don't want childish women, men want child-friendly women - Women ready to motherhood. Women that are mature enough to know that sweetness isn't weakness, but rather a form of strenght.
“Attractive women are docile, silent, and childlike.” Bro check these guys’ hard drives, they literally just put childlike and attractive in the same sentence.
Mentally childlike, yeah. Not docile or silent, but most women are childish well into their lives. Y’all don’t wanna see it, but it’s true. It’s something every man knows but won’t usually say out loud.
@@BasedHyperboreanPiss off😂 Men are so emotional and never take accountability. Always blaming the women for all their problems instead of looking in a mirror and reflecting on their actions for once
Yeah it’s weird. In Japan tsunderes and milf became the most popular type of woman. Gen z guys don’t like the whole childish cutesy nonsense. Because for one they feel it’s fake and two they say they want to feel like they are talking to a 22 year old not a 12 year old. They want to have adult conversations about a wide range of things. I feel bad that they inherited the programming that older generations of men put into women and said that women should aspire to be like.
They actually aren't attracted to women like this. Any woman who was silent, docile and younger than she looked has been called a wuss or being preyed upon in some way. I have never seen guys actually go after women like this. In fact, many of those red pilled guys nowadays want an assertive women that will approach them instead or a sugar mommy. This "silent docile woman" is just a current idea they entertain in front of their screens but they never act that out in reality
As someone who’s been shy and quiet my whole life, being quiet makes people think you’re boring or weird. Nobody finds it attractive lmao, the only ppl who seem to find it attractive are the abusive men so that’s just great 👍🏻
I would say that abusive men or people in general don’t “find it attractive” but they more see it as an opportunity to manipulate and control someone. I personally can be a quite person occasionally, I used to be a lot more quite so I know people like that have rich stories and lives to tell because I’ve been there. Been opening up a lot over the past 2 years. And trying to become someone I’m proud to be. I’d say a lot of people do find quieter “introverted” people to be attractive. I certainly count myself as one of those people who do.
@@cake260 that can be true. I think that it depends on the person. Sometimes being quiet can be isolating, it’s not nice to not be able to connect to people even if you want to. It also makes people think you’re not interested in speaking to them, I find that being quiet makes other people awkward around me. But it depends. Id say society does reward extroversion, even though the opposite does have its benefits
@@RabiaSammy Yeah certainly do agree with that aswell. I am still quite awkward around people, been getting better with it now. Guess it’s just something to improve upon, with trying to talk to people especially with good friends. But that was something I did find difficult for awhile aswell. Still can be quite with a lot of people. Really depends on if I enjoy talking to a person, the vibe they give off or if I know them well.
@@chuckleberryflin I believe that's because people in general, (and men in particular, speaking from observation) like patterns they can easily recognize and address with repeatable actions that have predictable outcomes. Also, it's hard to sell "dating" courses if you can't "guarantee" results and that's difficult when there are too many variables.
@@leriavahonestly I've been thinking about it a lot lately because I was thinking about what purpose gendering people serves other than that it allows for one sex to be used and subjugated. And it think that's what it comes down to. Having a set role instead of figuring out what you want for yourself. Saves energy.
It's easier to stuff everyone into overly-generalized boxes like "all men are x" or "all women like y" than it is to reckon with the fact that every single person is multifaceted in their personality.
'Kay. They are not "complaining". They are stating(in their mind) a fact. Now, do they engage in a self filling behaviour such as seeking out young/immature partners? Yes. But, these "men" do not want "partners"(they don't see women as such, that's only for the men in their lives*). They simply want a bang maid(kinda). Women, to these "men", are simply a trophy, or an achievement(to brag to other men about). They ONLY really care about women because society says they should. I 100% believe if the use of toys for men or even asexuality was more socially acceptable these men would have nowhere the reach they have now. *Not makin' a "friend of Dorothy" joke here, they just don't see women as people/human.
@@Toanleigh Ah yes, Society tells them to seek out Women, it's not the billions of years of hardcoded biology that drives them to seek a mate like literally every other animal on Earth, they'd all just be Asexuals if it wasn't for that pesky Society corrupting the men 🤣 Yeah, no, that's not how Narcissists and Psychopaths work, they are purely self interested creatures who want to achieve maximum pleasure by any means necessary and if a few Women need to get hurt in the process then that's just the price of doing business. They're no different from animal abusers or child abusers, it's the same psychology at play, they are gaining pleasure through the absolute power they have over the situation, knowing that they are in complete control and that their target can't oppose them in any meaningful way.
@@ToanleighI wouldn’t be surprised if some of them actually come out as gay to be honest😅 Not bashing gay people here, just saying that these men really seem to be in denial of the fact that they’re not able to love women as socially expected. They can’t love women, but also aren’t willing to give up the possibility and the benefit of getting a free housemaid + sex doll combo
There is no “wives submit to your husband so without “husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church (and died for Her)”. The Bible is full of a wide range of women, from Judith to Ester to Mary, all with different and uniquely feminine strengths. These trad bros reveal an immature masculinity in how little they understand femininity. Then again all the men I know that exhibit Christian masculine virtue don’t spend hours on twitter
The apostles complained about Mary Magdalene being an unofficial person on the team. Thought she was a waste of time but Jesus didn’t, Many like to look back at the days of Abraham when men had 7 wives. Mormons had a schism over that. I suppose when someone does have 7 wives, ya kinda need to be more "head of the household" but I haven’t had 7 wives. And the New Testament speaks of such arrangements as sin. It is the time of the second covenant (aka why Catholics not only shouldn’t circumcise any more but Pope Benedict claimed it to be an "abomination before the eyes of God," and a "grave sin," but the US has yet to get the memo. Best bet every Catholic school boy got clipped as a kid. Maybe not if they are children of immigrants, hispanic.)
@@QuanMalgol Being completely clueless about basic life skills, doing no household chores or parenting even if your wife also has a job, treating your parter like an assistant, therapist, and maid, and contributing nothing besides money in the best case. That’s manchild behavior. Being a provider is not enough, especially in this economy where dual income is required.
@@prophetess.cassandra You sound as though you've had bad experiences. If you dislike dating manchildren so much why do you keep doing it? Is it because all the men who would actually meet your standards want nothing to do with you? If that's the case maybe you're the problem. I mean the common factor of all your failed relationships with men is YOU. Try smiling more and coming off less like a raving manhating feminist. You'd probably have more success on the dating market. There are still men out there who are quite the catch. They just don't consider you the prize. Good luck, sweet cheeks ;)
@@QuanMalgol > doesn't know what feminism means > doesn't think about what creates manchildren > has no actual points and resorts to imagining character flaws > thinks housework is lesser than physical labor . . My brother in piss, you are the manchild here.
Myron lecturing on emotional maturity is mind-boggling lack of self awareness. That fool throws temper tantrums all of the time. The reason why they seek to infantilize women is because no functional adult would ever tolerate this nonsense.
It's such a funny thing to see him make a spectacle of himself everyday on the internet and then pretend to be this paragon of stoicism. He thinks we don't have eyes, ears and memory lol
@@mrturbo84 It's not really 'deeply' to everyone else but to himself lol The closet doors are open and everyone is looking at him and he's still pretending that he's not there.
"Silence is a woman's glory" is one of Aristotle's more questionable quotes. Women in ancient Greece were discouraged from reading, writing, and public speaking for much the same reason African Americans during the slave trade were discouraged from doing so: it was thought that education would lead to thinking, which would lead to unhappy thoughts that could spark a rebellion. In the context of a modern relationship, a silent wife is not a good thing. Either she is plotting your demise, or she's already dead inside.
I've noticed a disturbing trend in certain trad-trenders legitimately supporting racism along with their toxic beliefs about women. Like literally saying some races are actually inferior. So they would probably not even see a problem with that.
Yep! Ugh "unhappy thoughts" aka realising their getting f*d. It's also funny because... women are already know. To think that women don't think because they thought they could stop it 💀💀 such an inflated ego and fragility 🥴 just boo🍅
Agreed, we need a context and not even informing of the greek ancient women life conditions (no freedom, always chaperoned by a man, no education, no other part to society as a Citizen other than being a mother...) is purposefully used
I've heard that during various periods, in various city states, of ancient Greek history, women were treated in a manner not dissimilar to the modern taliban or Islamic State. Utterly wretched by modern Western/Eastern standards....achieved progressively over merely a century.
Many people today recognize that attractiveness comes from confidence, independence, and strength. A woman who is self-assured, knows her worth, and speaks her mind is seen as powerful and attractive.
Even back during the Victorian era, the matriarchs of some families carried more family decision making than the men. Basically, the men were the obvious, upfront power in the family, while the women, especially the elder ones ran most of the family stuff behind the scenes.
Yeah that’s true, even if they’re not attractive to you, you respect them because of that. I showed Galatea’s channel to a Japanese friend of mine and asked him what he thought and he said while he doesn’t really watch English content or doesn’t really interact with foreign women, he was enamoured by her clarity of speech and how she’s good at making an argument and expressing herself. He said he finds that attractive and despite her videos being really long, he sat through it all, which surprised him.
No women fond that attractive on men and assume men must like the same things. Confidence is just a general characteristic that most functional adults should have but men don't need their woman to be extra confident. Women need that because they by nature tend to LACK it. Hence all the makeup they wear and they need for male protection
beherleader aka Will Knowland has been married to his wife for >15 years since he was around 19 years old and they have 7 children together , the oldest of which are teenagers. But also, these tweets are not representative at all of his views on feminine and masculine virtues expressed on his youtube channel, knowland knows. I am pretty sure he is attempting to be shocking on twitter to get attention since being balanced has not grown his youtube channel as much as he would like, which is a shame when people get the wrong idea of him
beherleader is married with 7 kids and they've been together for more than 15 years since shortly after they finished highschool. He's an english teacher.
I also think newlyweds should be disqualified from speaking about what people should do with their lives. The only person I would listen to is an old grandma who raised multiple kids into adulthood. (And then other old people who did different things to get even more perspectives).
@@lordsneed9418 Really embarrassing for him and I feel bad for his sons for the type of masculinity he is teaching them, and for his daughters. As a normal Catholic, rad trad twitter is extra cringe
I don't want to hear any generalizing about an entire gender by the cult mindset group that lacks the discipline to not cheat on their girlfriend but cry when she does it. These people are so shallow it could almost be mistaken for depth.
The 4 attractive traits explains some men's behaviour (not all men disclaimer). When a woman is silent with you, she is probably done with you. A lot of men are not into women when they are chatty and want to be close or wants to talk about any relationship issues. Once she goes quiet and distant, the men are happy and then are all shocked when she leaves. He thought everything was great because it was great for him.
It blows my mind that people think "traditional, non-career woman" == stupid. Women throughout history have had to cultivate a lot of skills necessary to keep everyone fed, clothed, and surviving, and middle- and upper-class women had to have the management skills to run a household. You can't do that if you're stupid or unskilled.
Women staying at home is relatively new. Women have always worked being in the fields, in factories, etc. The only women who could afford to run a household had the money to do so. Women always being a housewife has been propaganda created in the 50s.
@@aycaiixthe hell are you talking about? White middle to upper class women in America? Sure. Everyone else? Working or working at home. Maids, seamstresses, factory workers, etc. The poor women were constantly working, if not at a job than on the farm, on the home. That’s not the delicate feminine “I bake bread and dust all day” kind of housewife, that’s wake up at 5 and tow the feilds kind of “housewife”. Thank you for attempting to speak for all women but hun, you’re just not it. Working as a housewife at home is STILL WORKING, just now your job is 24/7, there is no going home if home is your job. Get out of here, lazy ass
@@aycaiixcan you give any examples to these places outside America? I am Indian and I can assure you women here have traditionally done a lot of these activities as well.
As a straight man I have to say that women are not children they are grown adults. If you’re a straight man calling women children then you’re literally calling yourself a nonce.
What I find funny is that most dudes do not think the way the RP wants you to think, yet they spew their nonsense with so much confidence lol. If all women acted like children civilization would be long gone lol.
@@cherryhazard8002 don't know if you're paying attention, but women have been dragged into public life for less than a century, and civilisation isn't actually doing too great.
@@suruxstrawde8322 Fun fact: That isn't the definition of feminism and instead just the skin it wears around people to fool them into thinking that it's a good idea. It's actually a mix between gender communism and outright female supremacy. When men have the upper hand in something feminism seeks to equalize. When women have the upper hand in something feminism tells men to go kick rocks. Manhating has been a problem in feminism since the day it was first called feminism. Since that day nothing has been done to even address it as a problem that should be solved. You have to be a fool to not realize that hating men isn't an accident in feminism it is part of the movement by design.
@@suruxstrawde8322 Fun fact: Feminism has "fem" in it, as in "female". So who does it benefit? _Protip: It's not both sexes equally._ You're just repeating talking points and espousing them as "fact". Keep quiet for me.
Some dudes need to feel superior. They feel inferior to other men, so they seek out women they can dominate. However, we secure dudes seek out women as partners in life.
ironic since she agitates for women being perceived as responsible adults.. you see this dress, you remember the myth, you don’t take her words seriously from the start.
A guy I dated in college told someone that a big part of what he liked about me was that I was "docile." Two sides of the situation to balance: 1) The person who he told this to was another college girl who did have an abrasive streak. She wanted to go out with him and was miffed when he asked me out instead of her. 2) He was the same age as us and raised extremely religious. Not necessarily related, but sometimes it is: he was also a terrible partner who would get upset when I worked hard, was successful, or tried new things. I dumped him eventually. The other girl and I became great friends, and we're still friends ten years later. Misogynists are awful. Friendship is magic. Fin.
I mean "docile" and "clueless housewife" are two different things. I like my women docile too, in fact I like it when people in general are docile because fighting is exhausting. Nobody wants a combative partner, thats what coworkers are for.
@@indiomoustafa2047 I think there's also a difference between "docile" and "easygoing" or maybe "gentle". "Docile" suggests a power dynamic in which there is a leader to which the docile person/animal responds or obeys. I also prefer (and currently have) a partner who values peace and maintaining stability/working toward genuine contentment. But if I said, "I like my men docile," that would suggest something more than just an appreciation for a calm personality.
What a loser. I hope he didn't take advantage of an insecure lady, that's what happened to mom and she's divorced with my dad, we suffered 1 19 years because of this
That's always been the brutal irony of Myron. He's always been super emotional and reactive which is exactly what he accuses women of being or attributes to being a trait of femininity. It's been hiding in plain sight which is why I've never been able to take them seriously without ever even considering their absurd takes. They've always been cornballs.
When people like him show emotion, aka anger, they think it's a sign of strength, well-demonstrated in the display of strength required to act out violent responses such as table-flipping or choking another person. When a woman shows anger, they call her overly emotional and lacking self-control, just because her anger doesn't cause as much destruction, hence causing less of a reaction, meaning she is seen as weak or incompetent because her anger failed to cause a significant impact. They take pride in their ability to cause fear in others, and this pride overrides any sense of logic they may have come up with previously. At least, that's my interpretation.
I don't know why this type of men think that nobody is gonna notice there attraction to children, when they keep comparing them to women,as if saying it's okay for adult men to be attracted to a 4yo girl because a woman who's 24yo is no deferent than her both emotionally and mentally? Like we get it bro you like Lollie 🤢
It’s even worse when the preach like they have any moral high ground. Even the rich ones whose wealth could shield and protect them will still lie about what they want. It’s very annoying
@@KarimaLux I also think the fact they feel safe enough to compare them to children is just their way of saying what would otherwise get them in trouble.
I think this is what happens when you either fear or hate women, and also desire them. Instead of a relationship with love, or even appreciation, you desire to control your so-called partner. And then, since you've stripped them of anything interesting and your relationship of all affection, you wind up viewing them as a thing instead of a person and an equal. A tool for fulfilling your own selfish desires. And since there's no call to be faithful to an object, it's totally okay for you to cheat on them.
I cannot stress how much your point on finding puberty as a girl genuinely traumatic really resonates with me! I didn’t really have the words to express it when I was a teenager but I look back now as a young woman and I’m like wow wtf 😂😂
Yea, it’s a lot. We go through a lot during that phase. From conflicting information of what we now are (growing young girls into women), to conflicting reaction on what femininity is and should be, to unwanted attention, just changing bodies in general, eating disorders, the obsession with beauty, and more. It’s very stressful.
It's so fucked up to hear that a natural biological process is causing women so much suffering. It's obviously not meant to be this way, but our environment has deteriorated so much that especially women, who are very sensitive to unstable environments, tend to suffer. We are going through puberty much earlier than people used to and it's a stress response. The idea being that the organism senses stress and instability, therefore rapidly increasing the rate of growth in order to ensure offspring as soon as possible. When I say environment, I mean everything, such as food, family environment, social environment, xenoestrogens and other exogenous hormones we come into contact with daily, air pollution, additives, the list goes on and on. In a truly healthy woman, not only does the period not hurt, but menarche can start as late as 20 (although that would require a truly perfect environment, nigh unachievable nowadays). If any girls are interested in more info for their own health I recommend "Nutrition for Women" by Ray Peat which is a short collection of multiple articles discussing the topic
I didn't find it traumatic personally (not dismissing anyone else's experience), but I did find it very embarrassing. I was mad my Mom told even my Dad when I got my first period. I never wanted anyone to know.
Same here. Puberty was the worst experience of my life lol. It didn't help that everyone in my life was acting like I was the crazy one for being upset about it.
I experienced a genuine sense of horror dread and desperation when i started growing breasts and i couldn't stop them. it felt like my body wasn't my own
The traits men CLAME to find attractive are usually not what they’re actually attracted to. Men like confidence and even some sass. Any man will INSTANTLY loose any respect or attraction to you the second you go from confident to “needy.” Every.single.time.
The biggest thing that made me more attractive to men was changing my outward personality and demeanor (not on purpose in that aspect though). I used to be very quiet, docile, shy, and an extreme people pleaser. I never made jokes because I didn't think I was funny, I didn't talk a lot, and I always just went along with whatever other people wanted me to do, instead of having any agency or conviction. I basically never got asked out or hit on by guys unless they were complete strangers, and they would very obviously lose any interest they had in me after realizing that I was painfully boring and would just agree with whatever they said. After I fixed my self-esteem, I rebounded to the other end of things. I'm outgoing, opinionated, I stand up for myself when I need to, and I think I'm pretty funny and like making people laugh. I express my annoyance when things annoy me, tell people when they're upsetting me instead of pretending that everything is fine, and I'm generally very sassy (people call me spicy lol, which is accurate). My appearance is the same, my sense of style is the same, and my hobbies and personal interests haven't changed at all. But I went from getting basically zero male attention to having guys ask me out all the time, purely because I stopped being a boring doormat and developed a personality and self respect. There are definitely men who genuinely find boring doormats* attractive (and there's nothing wrong with one's own personal preferences as long as they don't expect other people to change themselves to suit them), but in my experience, the vast majority of men prefer the opposite. And the whole "women who think they're funny are unattractive" thing is so funny to me. Most of my male friends place having a good sense of humor very high on their rankings of attractive traits for women. It seems pretty normal to find people who share your sense of humor attractive - like, isn't it much nicer when the person you're dating can make you laugh? *also there's nothing wrong with having a personality that could be categorized as boring doormat as long as you're happy with yourself and aren't hurting yourself as a result of it. I'm just using it as shorthand instead of listing all the traits that would feasibly fit in with that
Men like confident women? What does that even mean? You mean really head strong ? If so, no men don’t see that as a particularly attractive female trait.. Men want an attractive, friendly and caring woman. We do like a little “sass” too that’s for sure. Men want women to want and need them just as women wasn’t men to want and need them. I would almost venture to say that I don’t think a woman being “needy” would be a big turn off for them.
Man I'm about 1hr in and your articulation of hating womanhood resonates so hard. I think the most depressing part of leaving girlhood is realizing that half the population has a vested interest in dehumanizing you. It's a realization that many women try to deny or comfort themselves by saying, "well, at least if I do what he wants, he won't let them do that to me." And yet, the world is lush with Persephone. There is no escaping the truth of womanhood: you are the Other.
"Dehumanizing" is a pretty harsh term for how men think about women. I don't think this characterization helps to increase the amount of understanding between our genders.
@@Contrarian-v7p I don't think we're going to agree, but maybe we can understand each other better. As a man, I know what it feels like when *I* think about women, including women I desire. As a woman, you know what it feels like to be thought about by men and to be desired. With that in mind, why do you describe what people of my gender do as "dehumanization"? I've put this in personal terms because this is a personal subject, and I want to make you aware of the stakes, but I am prepared to hear you out nevertheless. Why do you feel that men dehumanize women?
And the Hebrew word we translate as “helpmate” doesn’t mean servant. The only other times it’s used in the OT is military support, support from an allied nation. Sometimes referring to God as such in Psalms.
The Christians who exploit God's word to fit their narratives are of the same mindset as those who removed scriptures to justify slavery. The bible was never against women, men were and have always been. And many live vicariously through each other's lives unaware of it.
American homeschooled? Religiously homeschooled? Secularly homeschooled? I know you know that's different, yes? And we can be honest about the odds for an American religiously homeschooled person to have been so sheltered that they are "trainable", no?
@@Toanleigh American and religiously homeschooled. Yes, I've been naive to a lot of things in the past but it's to general to say "homeschooled virgin" I'm very socially inept, and lonely, but I used to have a homeschool Christian group that I was in. Yeah, some of those kids I genuinely worry about their future but it's not the vast majority
@@Toanleigh my parents tried to shelter me that much but I had 1 singular none religious friend that they let me get away with, she showed me the outside world, but by 22 *most* homeschoolers would have realized enough to not be "trainable" more easily manipulated 100% but not the way they're thinking
These people KNOW how most homeschoolers who’s parents actually educated them are some of the most determined, headstrong, and intelligent, successful people. Just don’t want to admit it. I think pearl is equating a homeschool Christian girl who maybe does want a more traditional family with a completely submissive and malleable shell of a person. The irony of that being that pearl does not in the slightest exhibit docility. She’s very headstrong and obnoxious. Does she realize that a lot of conservatives girls are very much “go-getters” and steadfast in their beleifs, a lot more like her (not saying conservative girls are as obnoxious and rude as her) than the seemingly silent and lamb-like girls she is describing? I don’t know how she misses that.
im getting so tired of everybody treating genders like it was your species. its not that big of a difference between men and women, theres bigger differences inside the genders than between them.
Traits like responsibility, patience, and maturity are not gendered. I'm tired of people who try to assign all the good traits to an entire gender and remove them from the opposite one. It's completely unrealistic. Immature people are immature people.
No the main reason we are in such a weird place in modern dating and relationships is because we don’t realize the differences between men and women .. many expect men and women to act the same and that’s truly absurd. Like casual sex for instance - men and women tend to think and behave much differently around this topic
@@suburbanlegends1989 To answer your question, from what I have seen the women in general seem to be way more interested in kids. Like how are they’re growing up, what are their habits, what do they like eating etc. When I talk to my friends, we pretty much never talk about children. And it’s not because I hate them or even dislike them, it’s simply because I don’t have fun talking about them. This is something I’ve noticed that seems to be prevalent. But on the other hand, i think my conversations with men and women are very similar in both the energy and the topics discussed. so yeah I agree men and women definitely are very alike, but I think there’s differences there, much to my chagrin because I wish I was more interested in kids but simply I am not and most men are neither
U are wrong here because being a girl me myself had never shown interest in talking about kids, I am not saying this to become cool, it's truth yeah I surely found they are cute but not like having discussion about it, the difference u see in women amd men is due to their hormonal difference women have estrogen and progesterone and men have testerone rest everything is same @@sirrys
The perversion of Christianity in this respect is particularly bothersome for me. Not only does it distort the incredible concept of a "helpmeet," ignore the Proverbs 31 woman, and utterly omit the "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her..." part of the equation, it makes me sad for another reason: have Christian men (and woman) truly seen so few examples of loving Christian couples? Galatea's story (in another video) about the way her grandmother made the household function with her grandfather's wage is a _much_ better example for a Christian couple than _any_ of these gurus. P.S. If you've never seen the movie _Mona Lisa Smile,_ it's totally worth it. Great cast, fantastic and varied depictions of femininity -- including calling out those who berate smart women who choose to be mothers and support their husbands simply because they've made different choices.
I agree with this so much. I am all for people encouraging men to invest in themselves and improve and be successful and all of that… but so much of what these red pillers push is not biblical in the slightest. They don’t want monogamy, they want luxury, they speak about how men should control themselves but then also make excuses for when they don’t. I’m all for encouraging masculine, protective, determined and strong men. But I can’t tell you how many Father’s Day sermon’s I’ve heard that also emphasize the importance of being patient, and gentle, and not the most macho guy on the block. Jesus had righteous anger and things, yes. He was authoritative and put people in their place when necessary. He could do those things, he’s God. But he was also humble, gentle, kind, patient. I know “gentlemen” originally referred to nobility and the weathly, but what happens to gentlemen in the modern sense? A man can be gentle and approachable and caring and that’s not the same thing as weakness or emasculation. “Blessed are the meek” does NOT only apply to women.
Yes! This perversion of marriage is just another way that Satan has used to isolate and control people. Make the person that you’re supposed to be able to rely on, love and grow with be the enemy. That Christians are falling for this shows the absolute lack of biblical literacy and discipleship of today’s generation.
I think it really throws me as someone who was always Christian and grew up in a "big traditional family." It took a minute to realize that the people praising these things, do not, in fact, know what they're talking about at all. (Hence the reason you see them post pics of fantasy scenarios like a mom with 6 kids under 5 and pregnant saying "this is the lifestyle I want"). They just... do not know how it works. And if they think it's easy and makes you perfectly happy? Kind of insulting. Not saying it's not worth doing. But it's not perfectly easy or always happy and sometimes other things are equally meaningful (like the arts). Also we really need a class on how to read and interpret the Bible instead of assuming we can take any verse completely literally from a modern translation without doing any deeper dive at all. Cause I see people out here saying "the wife has to always obey whatever the husband says under pain of sin" which is not only incorrect, but very evil.
The key lies right there in the post. Her grandparents lived in a very different time, with very different values and cultural perceptions. Namely, they weren’t overrun by nihilism or materialism. It’s not uncommon or even shocking to those of us who actually try to understand the mindset of those who came before us, or why they even had that mindset
Amen. Or they base their idea of "women" on their wife or one daughter because that's all they know and surely there's not a variety of personalities. (If the actual wife or daughter even agree with their portrayal of them in the first place). *cough* Matt Walsh
You suppose the guy who hosts a show talking to women about women has never spoken to a woman and doesn't understand words? Can it be you just don't like negative aspects of women being showcased? He has a book you should read, its called "Why women deserve less".
Men tell lies about women and women tell the truth about men. You'll notice men just rant about shit that is so hateful and outlandish, and most of what they say is usually reversed in reality. Like saying women have no impulse control, when studies show it's men who have worse impulse control. Or they'll say women bring nothing to the table when stats show women do essentially everything in a marriage. But everything women say about men is backed by real data, or are true stories and experiences shared by millions of women around the world in all cultures and eras. Men get mad when we don't let them tell lies about us, and they get mad when we tell the truth about them.
@lunalee3021 Half of these men aren't talking about mature women. They aren't interested in them. They only pay attention to the prettiest women under 24, so a very narrow type of woman. Not mentally mature women 25+ or ones who are less attractive. They are just invisible to them. So unfortunately the majority of women are blamed for the actions of girls. These 35+ year old men pay so much attention to 19 year olds and since they believe women are just one hivemind entity, they think we all must be the same. It's amazing they think women need to be controlled when data shows single men get in more trouble and don't live as long because they're more wreckless. That having a close woman makes them more mature and safe. But WE need to be controlled? The warping of reality these dudes do is just... Wow. Award winning manipulation. Or delusion.
I work as a woman with a lot of women and let me tell you: I love it! Female traits like open communication, organization, teamwork and giving grace for shortcomings and mistakes is what I encounter in my work environment. Of course, there are bad apples as well and I got some really nasty work relationships in my past, but overall did working with women help my scatterbrained ass to thrive in my field of work. We look out for each other a lot and check in, if the other feels well or not. Working with men is more top down, shut up and do as I say! in my experience.
I'm going to paraphrase something I heard from an actual strong woman.... Alot of "strong" women who say "men don't like strong women" aren't really strong. They're just aggressive and angry. It appears more as a defense mechanism than actual strength. But that's not true strength. True strength is being calm, collected, and reasonable even in tough situations. They respect their own boundaries and communicate them to others calmly and without aggression. They know their own worth without constantly having to prove it.
YES!!! Omg tghis is it, this comment hit the spot for me My mom was always the one preaching to me that "men don't like strong/too smart women". The latter I've already deconstructed long time ago (that only a man that's not worthy of you anyway will be intimidated by your intellect), but the former I didn't think about enough. This is absolutely correct, my mom is extremely insecure and spiky, she thinks that doing everything for everyone and loading herself with tasks like a horse amounts to "strength". Lol literal strength like a horse. When in fact she's just a people pleaser, seeking validation from all the wrong people, and then pouring aggression and frustrations from that on her closest people. Of course no one would like that "strength". God damn soviet 💩 union and its' "values", how many people you've ruined. My mom is from a post USSR country and feels soo proud of how she puts her life on alter for others, because that's what she's been taught, so she's a "good girl" that deserves a reward, doesn't get it (because no one asked her to do all these things, or take it for granted, because she's always there like a doormat), and gets angryyyyyyy. Sorry for the tangent, really needed to vent this. Don't be like my mom, be actually self-assured, strong and look after yourself first and foremost!
Women tend to choose by height rather than ability or success. Then they complain that the 190cm man-child they chose needs mothering? Wow. Surprising.
My grandmother was an eternal child, based on some childhood trauma she experienced. My grandpa had enough money to basically keep her as a pet, but she was not a person that anyone would want as a parent or matriarch. She was basically incapable of forming meaningful relationships with any of her kids or grandkids. The comment you made about not being able to commit to anything is spot on. And while she wasn't capable of being warm or nurturing, she still had the pettiness of a young girl. Having seen how that kinda marriage plays out over time, I don't think I could agree more with your thesis.
Well, I think it's in fact a filter for a certain type of women. I see it this way : I've a phd, I've a stable job, I've my own appartment, I've my own car that I drive manually, and these men explain to me that I should stop everything to make them sandwiches and if they deign to have s*x with me, they are not interested by my pleasure. At this point, I've cucumbers in my fridge who make better partners than them (because at least the cucumber is silent and is not at risk to perform any domestic violence). So I'm not a good client for them. They need vulnerable naive women, because these women will fall in the trap with no means to get out. Scammers use the same type of filters: if you can believe that a nigerian prince needs you, you are naive enough to fall for the scam.
This is such a great video!!! I relate so deeply to the archetype of Persephone. I spent so much time waiting for someone to come save me, growing more and more bitter over people close to me taking advantage of me while simultaneously completely unwilling to see my own part in what got me there, deathly afraid of looking under the hood so to speak. After coming to the realization that no one is coming to save me and understanding that I had agency to get out of the situation I finally got out. I have since traveled to the depths of my own underworld and some of what I observed in myself and others was hard to see but I am happy to say that I am far better off because of it. I will definitely pick this book up! It seems really interesting! Praying for all the other women stuck in the adolescent Persephone mindset out there!
I feel like I’m stuck in that situation right now, with a part of me still hoping someone or something will save me. But I also have this stubbornness inside me that wants to do everything on her own, to be independent.
@@selenabulanart The feeling of being stuck is so frustrating. The person who I thought was saving me was actually dragging me down but my rejection of reality prevented me from seeing that, beware of serpents disguising themselves as prince 😄 You can do what ever you set your mind to, wishing you the absolute best!
The thought occurs: Paramore has two songs that fit the toxic Persephone. "Brick by Boring Brick" is about the forever child punished by the reality she runs from, and "Misery Business" is explicitly about a woman who weaponizes a perception of innocence to manipulate others. It's interesting that this concept is not unknown to society, but this is the first I've heard of it analyzed. I'm going to read Bolen's book, thank you Galatea for the recommendation!
Real men WANT determined, smart, quirky, funny and loving women. Real men NEED a woman who can challenge them and help them grow. My wife is both my biggest critic and most loyal fan. Thank God 🤲🏼 this is key to having a fulfilling relationship from my experience. Keep on calling out the BS! Will be following your insta too!
Determination, Focus, Motivation.. If this guy is looking for a partner in life to be a houswife and mother to his children, wouldn't he WANT her to be those 3 things too? In what world (apart from his) are those 3 things not attractive in the mother of your children? In raising them, in protecting them, in being a good example for them. He's either lying, a fool or telling his audiance what he thinks they want to hear.
You’re right. But I think both sides of this argument get these ideals wrong. Hear me out As far as motivation goes, men are already terrified of not being able to satisfy their girl. Every guy has at least an inkling of insecurity based on that. So what I really think we don’t want is discontentment. But no one will say they’re perpetually discontent. They’ll say they’re “ambitious” or “motivated”. So men avoid ambition and motivation. But like you said, those traits are imperative. As far as focus goes, men also want attention. And often times focusing on the family means focus on the children only. So they don’t want focus. Except, again, they’re trying to avoid something completely different.
I'm a slavic man. I know a couple guys who are into that kind of thing. They rarely are good people, it's like an indicator. Those guys usually can't stand losing any control (or, really, to be honest, an illusion of it), they lack any concept of mutual respect, genuine trust is some slur for them. You can't really build a genuine respect behaving like that, people can just close their eyes sometimes, but deep down everyone intuitively knows that's not good.
"She's really sweet" is usually what a guy says before saying "but I don't feel that way about her." And it's totally okay if some men are attracted to a quiet, submissive woman. The problem is that they suggest this is the norm and a man is weird for not wanting this, AND a lot of men who say they are attracted to this actually aren't. They subscribe to the caged bird principle: they don't want a docile woman. They want a powerful woman who they can make docile.
Women and girls should not think that being sweet is a typically bad or unattractive thing. most men want a woman who is sweet to them. At the very most you could say that manyt not want a woman who is sweet to everyone, that they would prefer a woman who is sweet only to a man she considers worthy Men usually don't say "I don't feel that way about her" because her sweetness is unattractive. If a man thinks that a woman is really sweet but is unnattracted to her then it's more likely because she is not physically attractive or because she has some other serious flaw rather than the problem being because she's sweet. It's not very often that a man finds a woman sweet and physically attractive but he isn't attracted to her overall because he specifically wants a more belligerent or dangerous or cold or femme-fatale type women. That sometimes happen but it's a minority. Even when men like "bitchy" women like resting bitch faces, they usually fantasise about being the one to "conquer" her and make her bitchiness melt and become sweet. The end of your post even acknowledges this. not a huge fraction men want a woman to be dangerous or femme-fatale or belligerent throughout even after they have gotten together. maybe 20%. Being sweet doesn't require being boring or appearing desperate.
@@chupachuuups706 No, he go it right. Most men just constantly lie to themselves and the world about who they realy are and how they actually behave. Same thing when being creeps but accuse the women of shutting them down for being ugly or not rich enough.
I am incredibly proud of you for taking the initiative... I feel as though there aren't many men or fathers that would take the time to learn and get a better understanding of the female experience... Honestly, I don't know if my bf even does.... it's quite lonesome... I'm also somewhat worried on the way he may potentially treat his daughters if I do marry him.... and decide to have kids with him.. anyway. Sorry about that. Regardless, I am happy for your daughters and I do hope they flourish in their femininity and to hopefully see as not as something to be ashamed of .. or as something that is inherently weak or docile
My Dad made the money my mom (also ran side hustles) paid the bills, ran their retirement fund , homeschooled all 6 of her kids from K-college and helped us when we were having trouble with whatever project we were working on and was a mature bulwark of our family keeping us together in tough times and good. She was not childish. With that being said I wonder if a lot of the misogynists are just using their experiences with call girls and only fans models as their image of a common woman.
Yeah that definitely seems to be the problem with Fresh n Fit and Michael Sartain and I think the Whatever guys only bring them on for the easy smack down content. Sadly though, most young women are quite promiscuous these days and share many of the same mannerisms and lack of maturity as the girls on those shows, just not quite to the extreme degree as them. That doesn't make for a good wife, girlfriend, partner, whatever.
"Who can find a virtuous wife? For her worth is far above rubies."..."She considers a field and buys it; From her profits she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength, And strengthens her arms. She perceives that her merchandise is good, And her lamp does not go out by night."..."Strength and honor are her clothing; She shall rejoice in time to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, And on her tongue is the law of kindness." ~Proverbs 31 Doesn't sound very "docile" or "childlike" to me. Christian bros, PLEASE read what the the Bible actually says about a good woman, and not twitterites.
@@PlatinumAltaria i think you missed the point in ops comment. It is using the bible as a example BECAUSE those conservative mfs consider themselves CHRISTIANS. So they might as well know about their religion
@@PlatinumAltariaThese are actually equivocated interpretations of the Bible, because cultures changes, as the texts finality changes too, however as a christian I don't think that the Bible says that (Also ir lgbt, I'm also lgbt too
The only women I'm attracted to have strong personalities, great intelligence, know how to have meaningful, mutual conversations, and can help me become a better man.
Omg the same. I had to pause the video and read and think about his hypocrisy about the 4 unattractive traits in men before contiuning the video. And then the tweet continues with 4 unacttractive traits in women 😂😂😂 i rofled... what an idiot
The thing with being loyal is that is a big commitment and a lot of determination, respect and maturity is required for that. And it requires a partner that is deserving of that loyalty and is able to be just as loyal in return - so no wonder those alpha male dudes can't find a woman truly loyal to them.
2:46 minutes in and already I think you’ve hit the nail on the head about how femininity has historically been viewed in western Christian societies (in many indigenous societies this is very much not the case) vs how it is viewed in the present day. In the past it was ‘Women need to shut up, submit, be silent, cook and clean and rear children and do nothing else, and that’s femininity’- femininity was controlled and feminine power was stifled. Now, it’s ’In order to be successful or competent as a woman you need to sacrifice all of your softness, and all your traditionally feminine, maternal characteristics’. We’ve never really had a culture that actually respects and sees the power in the feminine, the true feminine (not just the infantilised, controlled patriarchal version)- with pockets of exceptions here and there, such as in the Courts of Love etc.
I would disagree to a point with regards to the past. Maybe it is a cultural thing but feminity often thrived in cultures where men and women had their own separate "spheres". I distinctly remember in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", how the older Greek ladies telling the younger ladies whats up about how to wield feminine power in their relationship. I don't think Feminity was shunned or compromised (and that sounds very much like the old of old woman wisdom that existed long in the past). I think its more a case of Feminine power wasn't often visibly seen because it was subtle, it was manipulation. Masculine power is more direct, its more easily seen.
@@hengineer I agree for the most part. It’s definitely often a thing that just goes unspoken and in acknowledged! But more so feminine spirituality has been suppressed, and feminine modes of being *within* public life. Feminine power doesn’t have to be ‘manipulative’ if it isn’t suppressed. Manipulation is how women survive in societies where they’re silenced and subdued. Perhaps the word you’re looking for is ‘influential’.
Don't you understand? Femininity and Masculinity are social constructs. There isn't one ideal feminity and one masculinity and each woman has her own femininity because she is a woman. That's all that feminism says, women don't have to perform feminity anymore like they did some decades ago. For you, femininity might be soft and dainty but for another woman it might be something completely different and both those ideas are valid and can coexist at the same time.
@@DMp-xp6mj That’s literally what Galatea says in the video, and what I’m saying. Femininity isn’t one thing and there’s no right or wrong way to be a woman. This is a deeply bad faith interpretation of what I just said. I’m not saying all femininity is soft and dainty, I’m saying *some* feminists (not all, I am a feminist) and hypercapitalists masquerading as feminists have shamed women for expressing those ‘traditionally feminine’ traits. I do understand, thanks though.
@erinrhianne Sorry if this came across as agreesive, I didn't mean for that to happen but I'll admit that your "true feminine" did rub me the wrong way because there's so much dialogue online about the "divine feminine" and "feminine power" and most of this is regurgitated patriarchical ideals
At one hand they have women to have no power, be like children and also have enough financial, managerial, and emotional skills to manage an entire household and their multiple kids alone.
Seriously, you can't manage the household while having no power and being childlike. Weak women create weak children who have to find their way to adulthood the hard way, and these morons want weak women.
Who said anything about women having enough financial material to manage a household alone? And what kind of emotional skills are needed for managing a household?
@@thewolf9851 Go outside and touch grass and you will see. No internet will give you the answer to that and that means no information the red pill aka internet says deserves any trust because it was never verified
These kind of men really misunderstand the quiet and soft spoken types because of their own immaturity. While of course both genders can be immature, the mature versions of this feminine woman is powerful like water is powerful. It does not mean lack of agency, intelligence or competence. In a healthy relationship this can be matched with a true leader. A true leader has humility and understands their limits. They understand they are only in their leadership position as long as they have the cooperation (not submission) of their counterpart and their leadership has to be based on competence, not power. They have to be a protector and self sacrificing if the need should arise because they understand the higher goal which is worth sacrificing for. These immature men want their cake and eat it too but are willfully blind to that. They are narcissists, not leaders.
Love love love this video. A little series with discussing the 7 archetypes would be a lot of fun. So much food for thought. Thank you for how much effort and depth you put into these videos and conversations. Makes me miss my Uni literature discussion classes🥹
I just think it’s funny that they want us to be like babies while also expecting us to baby them and raise their babies with hardly any input from them.
Oh my god I felt the same thing going into high school, I knew that being an adult was after being a teenager, and I was puzzled how all these adults were once lively children but they’ve all lost their sparks, it terrified me, i thought “I don’t know what happens between childhood and adulthood but I’m going to be cautious and hold on to my self”
Was so shocked how it seems like some of these men exist in the comments lol. I've never really interacted with the community but I really appreciate your well thought-out opinions and thorough, followable explanations. I can't imagine hate-watching something for 3 hours only to not take in and think about the ideas presented lol
You explaining the loss of innocence, growing up, really cut deep with me. I had a really similar experience, I never wanted to grow up. I hated people talking about my body when I was still a *child* in puberty. For most of my life I have essentially had this internal misogyny, because womanhood to me seemed like hell. It still kinda does.
Reminds me of the whole "I'm just a girl" tiktok trend that I hated where you could sub that out for "te hee I have no responsibility or agency or maturity" in which the woman would usually show excessive shopping/spending or ghosting a guy or being bad at math or showing off their terrible nutrition skipping something important.
Right 🙄 meanwhile there's grown man out here who unlive and sa women, children, animals, corpse, objects... etc then say things like "oh well boys will be boys"😊
The thing that i find funny about the "young girls find older men attractive" is that these men equate "find attractive" with "will date". And as someone who always found certain older men attractive (dua lipa's dad, i mean, daaaamn)... Hell nah. Just because theres a hot dude in a suit with colin firth energy, doesnt mean i want to marry the guy. I rarely met an older man that i found "attractive" that didnt started looking pretty damn boring after a short conversation. Cuz guess what happens? They started doing the whole "dear girl, i have more experience, so shut up and adore me" spiel, rather than treat me as an equal. No amount of silver fox can fix that
i have absolutely heard the whole 'let him think it was his idea' thing - no idea when or were but definitely one i've heard a lot !! incredible video, so glad you were able to recover it !!
They want mature woman that are like children? Also he said a woman who thinks she’s funny is unattractive…..but never said anything about a woman who’s naturally funny😂
My husband and I are devout Catholics. We are “kind of” traditional in the sense that whenever he jokingly says I don’t listen to him, I retort with, “honey, if I didn’t listen to you 95% of the time, you wouldn’t have married me,” and we both laugh. My husband is very much a leader, and I am very much choosing to be led by him because I trust him and he is kind and good. Our theory about why trad Catholics SEEM to embrace this intense “biblical submission” dynamic is that they are actually into more sexually depraved things like BDSM, which would not be permitted in a Catholic marriage. So, the closet they can get to a “master slave relationship” while still maintaining their devout Catholic life is to do this whole wifely submission thing. Just a theory!
I think it's probably more like they're on the spectrum of cultish behavior and happen to intersect with both. Or they just feel extra guilty, like Robert Hanssen.
@@adorp lol. No. Christ did not preach “getting pleasure, especially sexual, from one’s own humiliation.” He preached “love your neighbor as yourself”, and those two world views do not mix. I’ll wait for the cherry-picked and out of context scripture references, but like my “hero” Lucille Bluth remarked, I won’t respond to them”.
@@BastianHelena Lol, didn't Christ himself say that those who have ears, shall hear? You don't appear to have ears. You have already preaumed what my response will be.
Definitely something to be said about how masculinity in women is sought after when it is packaged in an attractive way, i.e. girl bosses, etc., but also deeply deeply detested when that masculinity is expressed in physical appearance that society doesn’t deem desirable: the most horrific thing you can be as a woman is masculine. homophobia towards Butches, etc.
All the women in my life have been outspoken, confident, commanding and even brash. My grandma, mother, aunts and even cousins. At least for me, when it comes to femininity, the infantilization of women has always been such a foreign concept since they've always been such authoritative and strong figures in my life.
It's very clear they don't understand or respect woman. Then surprised why women retaliate just to make equal space and be respected in return. Wake up men. Domination is not the answer here.
Can I just say that first outfit is amazing? Im constantly impressed by how creative you are with these. But also, mythologically, Persephone isn't the eternal maiden, that's Kore, who she was before. Persephone is the dread queen of the underworld, august and grand, and the equal of Hades.
women in the 50s and 60s were absolutely miserable. They literally needed drugs to survive all this stress. I don't want to get back there! If there was a situation where women weren't allowed to live independently from men anymore, I'd join a monastery and be a nun!
Women take drugs now everyday like it's normal to be on prozac and other SSRIs indefinitely. That on top of birth control and whatever else they put in their body surely isn't having any affect. But yeah I'm sure men were all happy in the patriarchy of the '50s and '50s because you know reality is like Mad Men where every average Joe lived like an elite Manhattan advertising rep. Life used to be harder for most people. Women weee miserable then because of what? Staying home all day with their kids or doing housework? Most women I know of given the choice of being at a job all day or being able to take their kids to and from school or see them at home all day would choose the latter. Women are miserable at their jobs now. That's why they all take anti-anxiety and anti-depressants. Women should be able to live independently from men if they want but let's not rewrite the past like we're talking about the Handmaid's Tale or something.
Great point about women not being naturally obedient. I too believe obedience depends on the person not sex. Perhaps there is good evolutionary reason for women to not be obedient, they have to be careful and not easily led or dominated.
@@coolchameleon21 And mine would have never given a rat's ass about red pill ego and would go straght for the kill and believe me when I say even women would condone that
@theauthenticobserver Having watched 30 minutes at this point and some of your older videos in the past, I have a strong urge to tell you how much your (to my opinion) very balanced rethoric is a huge breath of fresh air that popped up in my algorithm. I love it and your interesting and your are great 👍
I find many men are more like children then women, they need to be babied and told how wonderful and big and strong and smart they are or they feel insecure, they tend to have lower emotional intelligence and intuition, accepting things at face value, they like cars and motorbikes etc the way children like toys. A lot of them feel safe and secure when their woman cooks and cleans up after them and takes care of them, kinda how a Mother cares for for a child and don’t even get me started on when they get sick!
Yeah that's cause toxic masculinity mistakes emotional intelligence for emotional fragility, making most dudes so disconnected from themselves they can't comprehend their own feelings.
I wasn’t expecting to gain so much inner wisdom from this video. I’ve always been drawn to Persephone without fully understanding why, but every single thing you said about her I related to. The indecisiveness that rules her life, the close but almost too close relationship with her mother, the stunted maturity, being walked all over because of it but also being open to learn and grow in a way her counterparts may not be. I’m interested in reading that book now, as I’m always trying to improve my ability to work with myself and my confusing mind. Thank you for bringing something so helpful and enlightening to the conversation 💕
It's weird how gender dynamics always came with a pressure on what skills you should be capable. Is it some peak ideal for men to not be able to care for themselves and women being helpless?
This made me realized a lot a pattern I realized is that I would date guys and I could be described as bubbly by people and on the surface level but I felt like whenever I ever show maybe even contradicting type of femininity I feel like at times I can resonate with Artemis but I noticed guys I would be interested but when I showed anytime of other femininity than a specific type they seemed kinda losing interest and since I am a teenage girl and these are teenage boys and finding out the manosphere only celebrate only one time of femininity and for awhile I thought I was weird at times I would be described as the femininity that was celebrated but the whole docile and ordered around and I fantasizing was weird to me I have positive view on the world and I’m bubbly but I’d rather die than be described as a victim or as naive or following around I always value understanding other views and accepting change but not accepting blindly this video kinda open my views I really appreciate your videos I’m a teenage girl and i find myself lost especially when it comes to my own femininity i have no sisters and my mother doesn’t value or often mocks hyper femininity I had the impression I was weak since I’ve always been quite emotional your channel feels like something feels so welcoming in a world where people love mocking or undervaluing teenage girls this is such a nice change I really can’t thank you enough your channel genuinely helped my world views Edit: hi I read the book finally It took me awhile. But I realized I’m a mix of Aphrodite, Demeter and Persephone. Aphrodite is a type of femininity that is deeply shun. And Demeter and Persephone are widely celebrated. I realized why I put so much importance on relationships and why I was repulsed by certain men I dated in the past. My inner Persephone wanted emotional unavailable men and I wanted to be taken care of. My inner Demeter wanted to be needed and I would sometimes like very pathetic men to put it harshly.my inner Aphrodite was often bored by these pathetic men that wouldn’t challenge or excite me and I would also want very intense relationship that emotionally unavailable men couldn’t provide me.And also I tend to show very Demeter and Persephone traits to the people around me . These three goddesses are very contradictory so I was very confused for awhile about myself and why I was attracting weird men and why they would lose interest and also maybe why I’m attracted to so many different types of men the book helped me immensely to understand myself a lot better. Thank you🙏🙏
You've got this. Don't worry about impressing others, be your bubbly self and be whatever else you are if that's what makes you happy ❤ Trying to please everyone is a sure way to end up betraying yourself.
@@paccawacca4069 Traslation: If I believe only internet, then everyone will believe me. Going outside and touching grass means losing credibility to real people. Only red pill but never not internet beings will bring me purpose
As someone with adhd and ptsd, i have only now at 21 realised that i have so much of persephone in me. And i will forever. I hate not being able to set boundaries, to say no, to be a yes girl. I want to grow, but im just constantly depending too my on others.
Nobody told me, I got a career and a fulfilling life and everything, nobody told me I wasn't meant to. Might have an emotional outburst about it later.
As someone who up until recently was basically the Persephone archetype; it actually from my experience helped me grow into my own person through self realization of learning how to respect yourself; the saying goes you cannot expect others to give respect if you’re not giving it first but the reality is most people will take your respect without giving it back.The only person who can truly respect you and your boundaries is yourself; it sounds more simple than it really is. Through respecting myself; I feel as though my respect towards others has also increased while not feeling like a door mat. I do think that stagnation of any kind in personal growth is stunting but ultimately inevitable as long as we can get past it eventually.
I swear to god i love the topic ure talking about of course, but i just cant help but admire ur set and the whole filter u did for your video. Its so gorgeous and not everyone even bother with their sets and filters/playing with colors like that nowadays (if not, it's the boring minimal aesthetic or neutral tones) and its super appreciated to my eyes
When these people (men + Pearl) say very young girls are more attractive what they actually mean is that they (men) are more attracted to them (young girls). There's nothing inherently more attractive in a teenager vs a 22 y.o. woman other than her lack of experience, agreeableness and malleability to these types. As I work at a university I can confidently say that most 24 y.o. women can pass as 16-18 y.o. Let these people talk and they always show their true meaning. This conversation is so disturbing.
Its odd to me as a man because the only things that a younger woman might have over an older woman is a longer window on her fertility, as well as less of a chance of "baggage", that is less of a chance that you've had life experience that is scarring (I will point out that exists for both men and women). And that also doesn't automatically mean that "older" women automatically have baggage, it just means that older women have a higher chance of having......baggage. Otherwise older women can be just as beautiful as younger women (although I will also add that its easier to maintain your physical health when younger, for both men and women).
The whole concept of "baggage" can be quite tricky to address. I have heard so many things that could count as baggage. But really, how much "baggage" can an average 20 y.o. have over a 16 y.o.? It must not really be that significative. With regards to the fertility window it would only be valid if you expect these young women to start having children as soon as possible. If we're thinking of having kids at 23, starting to date a woman at 20 would be good enough. No, I'm convinced this is all about younger (really young) girls being easier to manipulate and control.
@@hengineerUnless men start wanting 15 kids, the decisive factor on the number of kids they have is not if they marry a 16 year old vs a 22 year old 😂
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So you’re selling out? Ground dot news is for the media illiterate… isn’t that advertising writing off your viewers intelligence?
But what am I to say you mentioned “internet” so many times in the first 15 minutes that i didn’t know Cisco or juniper devices could talk so much about the red pill or femininity…
There are three far better words, that are at the core of the expressed desire you are reacting to, (excluding all the Islamic and hyper-red-pill haremist bullshit), giving the most charitable/good faith perception of the rest of it then from my point of view: those words are; humble, charitable, and innocent. When these things are a part of a woman's character in a healthy way, they are not demeaning or infantilizing. Certainly, this also applies to men in their own masculine way, as a gentleman should also have these qualities in a manly fashion, but likewise in particular to women; humility, charity, and innocence are excellent signs of inner beauty, (at any age), which is what keeps a man bound to a woman much more than her exterior.
Now, are there idiots out there who just want to have a harem of smooth-brained but externally sexy young women at their beck and call whenever they please? Sure, and I'll gladly condemn that behavior right along with you. Are they the other side of the coin from feminists and are making the world a worse place to live in and raise a family, just like them? Absolutely. - Let men be men, let women be women, and when both are in submission to God, then great harmony and flourishing grows.
Apologies if this is not the appropriate avenue, but I'm wondering if you'd be interested in a Podcast interview on how writers could use these archetypes to help develop characters.
It is literally a lived experience, you are not listening to what they are saying you are missing what they are saying. Women for some reason don’t listen to facts and act like children. You can’t argue with them that’s why people say women are like children and why men are so frustrated with them. It’s literally like talking to a fucking child.
What is it about Jordan Peterson that you dislike? I'm just wondering if you and I dislike the same things about him.
It's interesting that "docile, submissive" and "childlike" often go together, when actual children are typically the opposite of that. Children are not naturally obedient, they have to be taught to be that way. Disobedient and/or creative children get called immature or naive.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS!!! It is so ridiculous when I hear that little girls are somehow submissive. Like I don’t know what kind of kids these people are around _and I hope they’re not around any kids_ but from my experience little girls do not wanna listen to any kind of crap at all. 😂
That is a good insight. I don't know these men, who claim to speak for the male collective voice to promote their sexual desirability, can't see their contradictions.
I was a cheerful, expressive, eccentric, dreamful child, often labelled "naive" or "childish" even at the age of 6 or 7, who was forced to become quiet and repressed, because I was taught (and internalised) the idea that who I was is inherently wrong. I ended up stifling myself to avoid mistreatment, and I felt a sense of power at the time... but now I realise I gave them exactly what they wanted.
Currently I am trying to unlearn those habits and return to my true personality as much as I can. (within reason)
That's why this video makes no sense. Men don't want childish women, men want child-friendly women - Women ready to motherhood. Women that are mature enough to know that sweetness isn't weakness, but rather a form of strenght.
@@lugarespecial Different men want different things. This video is not claiming that all men want childish women.
“Attractive women are docile, silent, and childlike.” Bro check these guys’ hard drives, they literally just put childlike and attractive in the same sentence.
Mentally childlike, yeah. Not docile or silent, but most women are childish well into their lives. Y’all don’t wanna see it, but it’s true. It’s something every man knows but won’t usually say out loud.
@@BasedHyperboreanPiss off😂 Men are so emotional and never take accountability. Always blaming the women for all their problems instead of looking in a mirror and reflecting on their actions for once
Yeah it’s weird. In Japan tsunderes and milf became the most popular type of woman. Gen z guys don’t like the whole childish cutesy nonsense. Because for one they feel it’s fake and two they say they want to feel like they are talking to a 22 year old not a 12 year old. They want to have adult conversations about a wide range of things. I feel bad that they inherited the programming that older generations of men put into women and said that women should aspire to be like.
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I don’t know about that. Japan is notorious for its obsession with 3000 year old dragons.
They actually aren't attracted to women like this. Any woman who was silent, docile and younger than she looked has been called a wuss or being preyed upon in some way. I have never seen guys actually go after women like this. In fact, many of those red pilled guys nowadays want an assertive women that will approach them instead or a sugar mommy. This "silent docile woman" is just a current idea they entertain in front of their screens but they never act that out in reality
As someone who’s been shy and quiet my whole life, being quiet makes people think you’re boring or weird. Nobody finds it attractive lmao, the only ppl who seem to find it attractive are the abusive men so that’s just great 👍🏻
I would say that abusive men or people in general don’t “find it attractive” but they more see it as an opportunity to manipulate and control someone. I personally can be a quite person occasionally, I used to be a lot more quite so I know people like that have rich stories and lives to tell because I’ve been there. Been opening up a lot over the past 2 years. And trying to become someone I’m proud to be. I’d say a lot of people do find quieter “introverted” people to be attractive. I certainly count myself as one of those people who do.
@@cake260 that can be true. I think that it depends on the person. Sometimes being quiet can be isolating, it’s not nice to not be able to connect to people even if you want to. It also makes people think you’re not interested in speaking to them, I find that being quiet makes other people awkward around me. But it depends. Id say society does reward extroversion, even though the opposite does have its benefits
@@cake260 I wouldn’t say it’s the most helpful trait still, it can set you back
@@RabiaSammy Yeah certainly do agree with that aswell. I am still quite awkward around people, been getting better with it now. Guess it’s just something to improve upon, with trying to talk to people especially with good friends. But that was something I did find difficult for awhile aswell. Still can be quite with a lot of people. Really depends on if I enjoy talking to a person, the vibe they give off or if I know them well.
Yeah exactly lol. I've been criticised my entire life by everyone for being quiet.
Idk why nobody can handle the fact there’s multiple different types of women and men in this world, nobody seems to like individuality in anyone
so true , where's the originality
@@chuckleberryflin I believe that's because people in general, (and men in particular, speaking from observation) like patterns they can easily recognize and address with repeatable actions that have predictable outcomes.
Also, it's hard to sell "dating" courses if you can't "guarantee" results and that's difficult when there are too many variables.
@@leriavahonestly I've been thinking about it a lot lately because I was thinking about what purpose gendering people serves other than that it allows for one sex to be used and subjugated. And it think that's what it comes down to. Having a set role instead of figuring out what you want for yourself. Saves energy.
It's easier to stuff everyone into overly-generalized boxes like "all men are x" or "all women like y" than it is to reckon with the fact that every single person is multifaceted in their personality.
If that were the case incels wouldn't exist. Whether you want to blame it on looks or personality some women would be attracted to them.
These kinds of men want women as young as possible, then complain about how women are so immature and lack reason.
Make it make sense?
'Kay.
They are not "complaining".
They are stating(in their mind) a fact.
Now, do they engage in a self filling behaviour such as seeking out young/immature partners? Yes.
But, these "men" do not want "partners"(they don't see women as such, that's only for the men in their lives*).
They simply want a bang maid(kinda).
Women, to these "men", are simply a trophy, or an achievement(to brag to other men about).
They ONLY really care about women because society says they should.
I 100% believe if the use of toys for men or even asexuality was more socially acceptable these men would have nowhere the reach they have now.
*Not makin' a "friend of Dorothy" joke here, they just don't see women as people/human.
@@Toanleigh Ah yes, Society tells them to seek out Women, it's not the billions of years of hardcoded biology that drives them to seek a mate like literally every other animal on Earth, they'd all just be Asexuals if it wasn't for that pesky Society corrupting the men 🤣
Yeah, no, that's not how Narcissists and Psychopaths work, they are purely self interested creatures who want to achieve maximum pleasure by any means necessary and if a few Women need to get hurt in the process then that's just the price of doing business. They're no different from animal abusers or child abusers, it's the same psychology at play, they are gaining pleasure through the absolute power they have over the situation, knowing that they are in complete control and that their target can't oppose them in any meaningful way.
They want a "girl" who will split their rent
@@ToanleighI wouldn’t be surprised if some of them actually come out as gay to be honest😅 Not bashing gay people here, just saying that these men really seem to be in denial of the fact that they’re not able to love women as socially expected. They can’t love women, but also aren’t willing to give up the possibility and the benefit of getting a free housemaid + sex doll combo
no i just accept that women are not mature. my gf isnt but she brings me happiness in her immaturity.
Women are forced to mature faster because of this unwanted sexual attention. We have to start protecting ourselves starting from a young age
Protecting ourselves at 3months old is kinda hard.
Trust me, it's way better than having no sexual attention.
@@JulianY2K12 womp, womp
@@JulianY2K12having no sexual attention as an adult is better than having sexual attention as a kid...?
@@reoij I actually had both. I'm male though so nobody gives a shit lol
22 year old needing to be trained is a craaaaaazy statement ngl
She’s a clown, don’t take her words serious. Just jumping on the misogyny bandwagon to make money
they want to train the women...
until the woman ask to be potty trained
The woman who said that find nobody who can train her despite being desparate to be trained.Alas pickme
such a weird sentence............
also the same woman who said that said she found 16 year old girls hot
These “Christian” “Catholic” men hating on traits some of the most incredible female saints of history had is insane
There is no “wives submit to your husband so without “husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church (and died for Her)”. The Bible is full of a wide range of women, from Judith to Ester to Mary, all with different and uniquely feminine strengths. These trad bros reveal an immature masculinity in how little they understand femininity. Then again all the men I know that exhibit Christian masculine virtue don’t spend hours on twitter
👏👏👏👏Amen
I ain't never found a woman like St Olga
@@herbertmoon998 we all deserve someone to love us like St Olga of kiev
The apostles complained about Mary Magdalene being an unofficial person on the team. Thought she was a waste of time but Jesus didn’t,
Many like to look back at the days of Abraham when men had 7 wives. Mormons had a schism over that. I suppose when someone does have 7 wives, ya kinda need to be more "head of the household" but I haven’t had 7 wives. And the New Testament speaks of such arrangements as sin. It is the time of the second covenant (aka why Catholics not only shouldn’t circumcise any more but Pope Benedict claimed it to be an "abomination before the eyes of God," and a "grave sin," but the US has yet to get the memo. Best bet every Catholic school boy got clipped as a kid. Maybe not if they are children of immigrants, hispanic.)
And these men who say women are childlike are often the same ones who treat their girlfriends like a second mom 🙄 It’s pure projection.
Cooking and cleaning while the man puts in the actual work to bring home the money isn't "being a second mom"
@@QuanMalgol Being completely clueless about basic life skills, doing no household chores or parenting even if your wife also has a job, treating your parter like an assistant, therapist, and maid, and contributing nothing besides money in the best case. That’s manchild behavior. Being a provider is not enough, especially in this economy where dual income is required.
@@prophetess.cassandra You sound as though you've had bad experiences.
If you dislike dating manchildren so much why do you keep doing it? Is it because all the men who would actually meet your standards want nothing to do with you? If that's the case maybe you're the problem. I mean the common factor of all your failed relationships with men is YOU.
Try smiling more and coming off less like a raving manhating feminist. You'd probably have more success on the dating market.
There are still men out there who are quite the catch. They just don't consider you the prize.
Good luck, sweet cheeks ;)
@QuanMalgol You are definitely not one of the good guys, sweet cheeks.
@@QuanMalgol
> doesn't know what feminism means
> doesn't think about what creates manchildren
> has no actual points and resorts to imagining character flaws
> thinks housework is lesser than physical labor
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My brother in piss, you are the manchild here.
Myron lecturing on emotional maturity is mind-boggling lack of self awareness. That fool throws temper tantrums all of the time. The reason why they seek to infantilize women is because no functional adult would ever tolerate this nonsense.
It's such a funny thing to see him make a spectacle of himself everyday on the internet and then pretend to be this paragon of stoicism. He thinks we don't have eyes, ears and memory lol
Lool, yeah. I like the way Aba & Preach edit him in their videos. “AGAIN!!!”
The man is profoundly lacking in self-awareness.
He is deeply closeted.
@@mrturbo84 It's not really 'deeply' to everyone else but to himself lol The closet doors are open and everyone is looking at him and he's still pretending that he's not there.
"Silence is a woman's glory" is one of Aristotle's more questionable quotes. Women in ancient Greece were discouraged from reading, writing, and public speaking for much the same reason African Americans during the slave trade were discouraged from doing so: it was thought that education would lead to thinking, which would lead to unhappy thoughts that could spark a rebellion. In the context of a modern relationship, a silent wife is not a good thing. Either she is plotting your demise, or she's already dead inside.
I've noticed a disturbing trend in certain trad-trenders legitimately supporting racism along with their toxic beliefs about women. Like literally saying some races are actually inferior. So they would probably not even see a problem with that.
Yep! Ugh "unhappy thoughts" aka realising their getting f*d. It's also funny because... women are already know. To think that women don't think because they thought they could stop it 💀💀 such an inflated ego and fragility 🥴 just boo🍅
Agreed, we need a context and not even informing of the greek ancient women life conditions (no freedom, always chaperoned by a man, no education, no other part to society as a Citizen other than being a mother...) is purposefully used
It’s his best quote
I've heard that during various periods, in various city states, of ancient Greek history, women were treated in a manner not dissimilar to the modern taliban or Islamic State. Utterly wretched by modern Western/Eastern standards....achieved progressively over merely a century.
Many people today recognize that attractiveness comes from confidence, independence, and strength. A woman who is self-assured, knows her worth, and speaks her mind is seen as powerful and attractive.
Even back during the Victorian era, the matriarchs of some families carried more family decision making than the men. Basically, the men were the obvious, upfront power in the family, while the women, especially the elder ones ran most of the family stuff behind the scenes.
Yeah that’s true, even if they’re not attractive to you, you respect them because of that. I showed Galatea’s channel to a Japanese friend of mine and asked him what he thought and he said while he doesn’t really watch English content or doesn’t really interact with foreign women, he was enamoured by her clarity of speech and how she’s good at making an argument and expressing herself. He said he finds that attractive and despite her videos being really long, he sat through it all, which surprised him.
No women fond that attractive on men and assume men must like the same things. Confidence is just a general characteristic that most functional adults should have but men don't need their woman to be extra confident. Women need that because they by nature tend to LACK it. Hence all the makeup they wear and they need for male protection
@@avenger4027nah lots of confident men are TOO confident and be BUTT ugly but have allllll the audacity... That's incredibly unattractive
I for one can say that intelligent, independent and strong willed women are the most attractive.
Isn’t it strange that these people are never in stable marriages with kids? 🤔
beherleader aka Will Knowland has been married to his wife for >15 years since he was around 19 years old and they have 7 children together , the oldest of which are teenagers. But also, these tweets are not representative at all of his views on feminine and masculine virtues expressed on his youtube channel, knowland knows. I am pretty sure he is attempting to be shocking on twitter to get attention since being balanced has not grown his youtube channel as much as he would like, which is a shame when people get the wrong idea of him
its bc they wanna marry kids LMAO
beherleader is married with 7 kids and they've been together for more than 15 years since shortly after they finished highschool. He's an english teacher.
I also think newlyweds should be disqualified from speaking about what people should do with their lives. The only person I would listen to is an old grandma who raised multiple kids into adulthood. (And then other old people who did different things to get even more perspectives).
@@lordsneed9418 Really embarrassing for him and I feel bad for his sons for the type of masculinity he is teaching them, and for his daughters. As a normal Catholic, rad trad twitter is extra cringe
I don't want to hear any generalizing about an entire gender by the cult mindset group that lacks the discipline to not cheat on their girlfriend but cry when she does it. These people are so shallow it could almost be mistaken for depth.
you ate with this
👏🏾👏🏾
Like one of those puddles that are so murky, you can't see how deep it is
💯💯💯
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The 4 attractive traits explains some men's behaviour (not all men disclaimer). When a woman is silent with you, she is probably done with you. A lot of men are not into women when they are chatty and want to be close or wants to talk about any relationship issues. Once she goes quiet and distant, the men are happy and then are all shocked when she leaves. He thought everything was great because it was great for him.
Severly underrated take 👏
lol nerd women don’t want feins they want big dawgs who are fantastic and they just want a taste of his rack city
This, my guy... this comment is underrated because ITS THE TRUTH !
It's a shame that that's the way it is.
It would've been better if they were silent when happy
It blows my mind that people think "traditional, non-career woman" == stupid. Women throughout history have had to cultivate a lot of skills necessary to keep everyone fed, clothed, and surviving, and middle- and upper-class women had to have the management skills to run a household. You can't do that if you're stupid or unskilled.
Who are some good fictional female characters that are feminine but strong
Women staying at home is relatively new. Women have always worked being in the fields, in factories, etc. The only women who could afford to run a household had the money to do so. Women always being a housewife has been propaganda created in the 50s.
Exactly, they want a MOTHER that they can TREAT like a child slave.
@@aycaiixthe hell are you talking about? White middle to upper class women in America? Sure. Everyone else? Working or working at home. Maids, seamstresses, factory workers, etc. The poor women were constantly working, if not at a job than on the farm, on the home. That’s not the delicate feminine “I bake bread and dust all day” kind of housewife, that’s wake up at 5 and tow the feilds kind of “housewife”. Thank you for attempting to speak for all women but hun, you’re just not it.
Working as a housewife at home is STILL WORKING, just now your job is 24/7, there is no going home if home is your job. Get out of here, lazy ass
@@aycaiixcan you give any examples to these places outside America? I am Indian and I can assure you women here have traditionally done a lot of these activities as well.
As a straight man I have to say that women are not children they are grown adults. If you’re a straight man calling women children then you’re literally calling yourself a nonce.
What I find funny is that most dudes do not think the way the RP wants you to think, yet they spew their nonsense with so much confidence lol. If all women acted like children civilization would be long gone lol.
@@cherryhazard8002 Exactly. It is just a Minority but that what Internet does. It inflates it.
Call them out for dating an 18 year old and watch them go "they are an adult human" brrr
@@erenssister.5535yeah, but women of all ages are so as well. That’s their point
@@cherryhazard8002 don't know if you're paying attention, but women have been dragged into public life for less than a century, and civilisation isn't actually doing too great.
Eww I’m literally a “22 year old homeschooled virgin” and I’m the opposite of obedient. Pearl infuriates me.
So you're both a prude and a feminist?
Actually that checks out.
@@QuanMalgol
Fun Fact: Feminism is defined as an ideological movement based in equality between sexes.
@@suruxstrawde8322 Fun fact:
That isn't the definition of feminism and instead just the skin it wears around people to fool them into thinking that it's a good idea.
It's actually a mix between gender communism and outright female supremacy.
When men have the upper hand in something feminism seeks to equalize.
When women have the upper hand in something feminism tells men to go kick rocks.
Manhating has been a problem in feminism since the day it was first called feminism. Since that day nothing has been done to even address it as a problem that should be solved.
You have to be a fool to not realize that hating men isn't an accident in feminism it is part of the movement by design.
@@suruxstrawde8322 Fun fact: Feminism has "fem" in it, as in "female". So who does it benefit? _Protip: It's not both sexes equally._ You're just repeating talking points and espousing them as "fact". Keep quiet for me.
I hope it was a willing choice and not bc of your parent's ideology
Some dudes need to feel superior. They feel inferior to other men, so they seek out women they can dominate. However, we secure dudes seek out women as partners in life.
So true and we secure women adore you for it!!
This is half right
@@chupachuuups706 I can only speak from personal experience. Your truth may vary.
Lol, yea secure dudes like to comment "we secure dudes" on 2.5hr videos about how women aren't childlike. xD made my morning. Enjoy your security dude
@@enotdetcelfer seems he hit a nerve
“Why am I dressed as Persephone?”
We’re in hell, aren’t we?
Oh no
Hades, not hell.
Lol❤❤❤
ironic since she agitates for women being perceived as responsible adults.. you see this dress, you remember the myth, you don’t take her words seriously from the start.
@@iam4w3enfpnot really because in the end it was upto Persephone to decide where she should go.
A guy I dated in college told someone that a big part of what he liked about me was that I was "docile."
Two sides of the situation to balance: 1) The person who he told this to was another college girl who did have an abrasive streak. She wanted to go out with him and was miffed when he asked me out instead of her. 2) He was the same age as us and raised extremely religious. Not necessarily related, but sometimes it is: he was also a terrible partner who would get upset when I worked hard, was successful, or tried new things.
I dumped him eventually. The other girl and I became great friends, and we're still friends ten years later.
Misogynists are awful. Friendship is magic. Fin.
I mean "docile" and "clueless housewife" are two different things.
I like my women docile too, in fact I like it when people in general are docile because fighting is exhausting. Nobody wants a combative partner, thats what coworkers are for.
@@indiomoustafa2047 I think there's also a difference between "docile" and "easygoing" or maybe "gentle".
"Docile" suggests a power dynamic in which there is a leader to which the docile person/animal responds or obeys. I also prefer (and currently have) a partner who values peace and maintaining stability/working toward genuine contentment. But if I said, "I like my men docile," that would suggest something more than just an appreciation for a calm personality.
What a loser. I hope he didn't take advantage of an insecure lady, that's what happened to mom and she's divorced with my dad, we suffered 1 19 years because of this
@@RyuKyu.77 rope
Why are you accusing him of misogyny?
0:15 how can he say this when he couldn't even keep his own channel due to his own emotional responses
Exactly he literally threw a tantrum and slammed the table over some allegations he's got no room to talk
That's always been the brutal irony of Myron. He's always been super emotional and reactive which is exactly what he accuses women of being or attributes to being a trait of femininity. It's been hiding in plain sight which is why I've never been able to take them seriously without ever even considering their absurd takes. They've always been cornballs.
😂😂😂😂😂😂LOOOLL right?!😂
And instead of self reflecting, he would blame others
Just like the women he criticizes. The irony is huge 😂😂😂
When people like him show emotion, aka anger, they think it's a sign of strength, well-demonstrated in the display of strength required to act out violent responses such as table-flipping or choking another person. When a woman shows anger, they call her overly emotional and lacking self-control, just because her anger doesn't cause as much destruction, hence causing less of a reaction, meaning she is seen as weak or incompetent because her anger failed to cause a significant impact. They take pride in their ability to cause fear in others, and this pride overrides any sense of logic they may have come up with previously. At least, that's my interpretation.
I don't know why this type of men think that nobody is gonna notice there attraction to children, when they keep comparing them to women,as if saying it's okay for adult men to be attracted to a 4yo girl because a woman who's 24yo is no deferent than her both emotionally and mentally?
Like we get it bro you like Lollie 🤢
Right?! Who do they think they're fooling? lol
It’s even worse when the preach like they have any moral high ground. Even the rich ones whose wealth could shield and protect them will still lie about what they want. It’s very annoying
This isn't a compliment at all. When a woman complains about his boyfriend's immaturity, they romanticizing children?
@@KarimaLux
I also think the fact they feel safe enough to compare them to children is just their way of saying what would otherwise get them in trouble.
And literally they don't even understand when the child dies .... Why?
I think this is what happens when you either fear or hate women, and also desire them. Instead of a relationship with love, or even appreciation, you desire to control your so-called partner. And then, since you've stripped them of anything interesting and your relationship of all affection, you wind up viewing them as a thing instead of a person and an equal. A tool for fulfilling your own selfish desires. And since there's no call to be faithful to an object, it's totally okay for you to cheat on them.
I cannot stress how much your point on finding puberty as a girl genuinely traumatic really resonates with me! I didn’t really have the words to express it when I was a teenager but I look back now as a young woman and I’m like wow wtf 😂😂
Yea, it’s a lot. We go through a lot during that phase. From conflicting information of what we now are (growing young girls into women), to conflicting reaction on what femininity is and should be, to unwanted attention, just changing bodies in general, eating disorders, the obsession with beauty, and more. It’s very stressful.
It's so fucked up to hear that a natural biological process is causing women so much suffering. It's obviously not meant to be this way, but our environment has deteriorated so much that especially women, who are very sensitive to unstable environments, tend to suffer. We are going through puberty much earlier than people used to and it's a stress response. The idea being that the organism senses stress and instability, therefore rapidly increasing the rate of growth in order to ensure offspring as soon as possible. When I say environment, I mean everything, such as food, family environment, social environment, xenoestrogens and other exogenous hormones we come into contact with daily, air pollution, additives, the list goes on and on. In a truly healthy woman, not only does the period not hurt, but menarche can start as late as 20 (although that would require a truly perfect environment, nigh unachievable nowadays). If any girls are interested in more info for their own health I recommend "Nutrition for Women" by Ray Peat which is a short collection of multiple articles discussing the topic
I didn't find it traumatic personally (not dismissing anyone else's experience), but I did find it very embarrassing. I was mad my Mom told even my Dad when I got my first period. I never wanted anyone to know.
Same here. Puberty was the worst experience of my life lol. It didn't help that everyone in my life was acting like I was the crazy one for being upset about it.
I experienced a genuine sense of horror dread and desperation when i started growing breasts and i couldn't stop them. it felt like my body wasn't my own
The traits men CLAME to find attractive are usually not what they’re actually attracted to. Men like confidence and even some sass. Any man will INSTANTLY loose any respect or attraction to you the second you go from confident to “needy.” Every.single.time.
Amen
The biggest thing that made me more attractive to men was changing my outward personality and demeanor (not on purpose in that aspect though). I used to be very quiet, docile, shy, and an extreme people pleaser. I never made jokes because I didn't think I was funny, I didn't talk a lot, and I always just went along with whatever other people wanted me to do, instead of having any agency or conviction. I basically never got asked out or hit on by guys unless they were complete strangers, and they would very obviously lose any interest they had in me after realizing that I was painfully boring and would just agree with whatever they said.
After I fixed my self-esteem, I rebounded to the other end of things. I'm outgoing, opinionated, I stand up for myself when I need to, and I think I'm pretty funny and like making people laugh. I express my annoyance when things annoy me, tell people when they're upsetting me instead of pretending that everything is fine, and I'm generally very sassy (people call me spicy lol, which is accurate).
My appearance is the same, my sense of style is the same, and my hobbies and personal interests haven't changed at all. But I went from getting basically zero male attention to having guys ask me out all the time, purely because I stopped being a boring doormat and developed a personality and self respect. There are definitely men who genuinely find boring doormats* attractive (and there's nothing wrong with one's own personal preferences as long as they don't expect other people to change themselves to suit them), but in my experience, the vast majority of men prefer the opposite.
And the whole "women who think they're funny are unattractive" thing is so funny to me. Most of my male friends place having a good sense of humor very high on their rankings of attractive traits for women. It seems pretty normal to find people who share your sense of humor attractive - like, isn't it much nicer when the person you're dating can make you laugh?
*also there's nothing wrong with having a personality that could be categorized as boring doormat as long as you're happy with yourself and aren't hurting yourself as a result of it. I'm just using it as shorthand instead of listing all the traits that would feasibly fit in with that
Both sexes like: Confidence, yes. Banter, yes. Disrespect, particularly in a committed relationship? No.
I have a fiery wife, so definitely has truth to it. Somebody’s gotta tell the waiter that this isn’t my order, and it ain’t gonna be me.
Men like confident women? What does that even mean? You mean really head strong ? If so, no men don’t see that as a particularly attractive female trait.. Men want an attractive, friendly and caring woman. We do like a little “sass” too that’s for sure. Men want women to want and need them just as women wasn’t men to want and need them. I would almost venture to say that I don’t think a woman being “needy” would be a big turn off for them.
Man I'm about 1hr in and your articulation of hating womanhood resonates so hard. I think the most depressing part of leaving girlhood is realizing that half the population has a vested interest in dehumanizing you. It's a realization that many women try to deny or comfort themselves by saying, "well, at least if I do what he wants, he won't let them do that to me." And yet, the world is lush with Persephone. There is no escaping the truth of womanhood: you are the Other.
No one hates womanhood.
Are you a woman? @@avenger4027
"Dehumanizing" is a pretty harsh term for how men think about women. I don't think this characterization helps to increase the amount of understanding between our genders.
@tradfluteman The word is 100% accurate. It's not something men will ever get.
@@Contrarian-v7p I don't think we're going to agree, but maybe we can understand each other better. As a man, I know what it feels like when *I* think about women, including women I desire. As a woman, you know what it feels like to be thought about by men and to be desired. With that in mind, why do you describe what people of my gender do as "dehumanization"? I've put this in personal terms because this is a personal subject, and I want to make you aware of the stakes, but I am prepared to hear you out nevertheless. Why do you feel that men dehumanize women?
As a Christian woman, I find comfort in how God's perfect woman isn't described as some brainless idiot (Proverbs 31 ❤)
Me too
And the Hebrew word we translate as “helpmate” doesn’t mean servant. The only other times it’s used in the OT is military support, support from an allied nation. Sometimes referring to God as such in Psalms.
@@georgiawilksch5708 if I recall one translation is "equal with power to save."
The Christians who exploit God's word to fit their narratives are of the same mindset as those who removed scriptures to justify slavery. The bible was never against women, men were and have always been. And many live vicariously through each other's lives unaware of it.
@georgiawilksch5708
Such gaslighting.
Of course it means servant
1:24 as a homeschooler, I hate the infanilization of homeschoolers of "being able to be trained"
American homeschooled?
Religiously homeschooled?
Secularly homeschooled?
I know you know that's different, yes?
And we can be honest about the odds for an American religiously homeschooled person to have been so sheltered that they are "trainable", no?
@@Toanleigh American and religiously homeschooled. Yes, I've been naive to a lot of things in the past but it's to general to say "homeschooled virgin" I'm very socially inept, and lonely, but I used to have a homeschool Christian group that I was in. Yeah, some of those kids I genuinely worry about their future but it's not the vast majority
@@Toanleigh my parents tried to shelter me that much but I had 1 singular none religious friend that they let me get away with, she showed me the outside world, but by 22 *most* homeschoolers would have realized enough to not be "trainable" more easily manipulated 100% but not the way they're thinking
These people KNOW how most homeschoolers who’s parents actually educated them are some of the most determined, headstrong, and intelligent, successful people.
Just don’t want to admit it.
I think pearl is equating a homeschool Christian girl who maybe does want a more traditional family with a completely submissive and malleable shell of a person.
The irony of that being that pearl does not in the slightest exhibit docility. She’s very headstrong and obnoxious. Does she realize that a lot of conservatives girls are very much “go-getters” and steadfast in their beleifs, a lot more like her (not saying conservative girls are as obnoxious and rude as her) than the seemingly silent and lamb-like girls she is describing? I don’t know how she misses that.
I mean if they want to get annihilated with facts and logic, then yeah, find a homeschool girl.
im getting so tired of everybody treating genders like it was your species. its not that big of a difference between men and women, theres bigger differences inside the genders than between them.
Traits like responsibility, patience, and maturity are not gendered. I'm tired of people who try to assign all the good traits to an entire gender and remove them from the opposite one. It's completely unrealistic. Immature people are immature people.
No the main reason we are in such a weird place in modern dating and relationships is because we don’t realize the differences between men and women .. many expect men and women to act the same and that’s truly absurd. Like casual sex for instance - men and women tend to think and behave much differently around this topic
@@brianmeen2158 Aside from physical differences (i.e. having a vagina vs a penis), what traits, interests or values are uniquely male or female?
@@suburbanlegends1989 To answer your question, from what I have seen the women in general seem to be way more interested in kids. Like how are they’re growing up, what are their habits, what do they like eating etc. When I talk to my friends, we pretty much never talk about children. And it’s not because I hate them or even dislike them, it’s simply because I don’t have fun talking about them.
This is something I’ve noticed that seems to be prevalent. But on the other hand, i think my conversations with men and women are very similar in both the energy and the topics discussed. so yeah I agree men and women definitely are very alike, but I think there’s differences there, much to my chagrin because I wish I was more interested in kids but simply I am not and most men are neither
U are wrong here because being a girl me myself had never shown interest in talking about kids, I am not saying this to become cool, it's truth yeah I surely found they are cute but not like having discussion about it, the difference u see in women amd men is due to their hormonal difference women have estrogen and progesterone and men have testerone rest everything is same @@sirrys
The perversion of Christianity in this respect is particularly bothersome for me. Not only does it distort the incredible concept of a "helpmeet," ignore the Proverbs 31 woman, and utterly omit the "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her..." part of the equation, it makes me sad for another reason: have Christian men (and woman) truly seen so few examples of loving Christian couples?
Galatea's story (in another video) about the way her grandmother made the household function with her grandfather's wage is a _much_ better example for a Christian couple than _any_ of these gurus.
P.S. If you've never seen the movie _Mona Lisa Smile,_ it's totally worth it. Great cast, fantastic and varied depictions of femininity -- including calling out those who berate smart women who choose to be mothers and support their husbands simply because they've made different choices.
I agree with this so much. I am all for people encouraging men to invest in themselves and improve and be successful and all of that… but so much of what these red pillers push is not biblical in the slightest. They don’t want monogamy, they want luxury, they speak about how men should control themselves but then also make excuses for when they don’t.
I’m all for encouraging masculine, protective, determined and strong men.
But I can’t tell you how many Father’s Day sermon’s I’ve heard that also emphasize the importance of being patient, and gentle, and not the most macho guy on the block.
Jesus had righteous anger and things, yes. He was authoritative and put people in their place when necessary. He could do those things, he’s God. But he was also humble, gentle, kind, patient. I know “gentlemen” originally referred to nobility and the weathly, but what happens to gentlemen in the modern sense? A man can be gentle and approachable and caring and that’s not the same thing as weakness or emasculation. “Blessed are the meek” does NOT only apply to women.
Yes! This perversion of marriage is just another way that Satan has used to isolate and control people. Make the person that you’re supposed to be able to rely on, love and grow with be the enemy. That Christians are falling for this shows the absolute lack of biblical literacy and discipleship of today’s generation.
that first scentence resonates with me so much!!!
I think it really throws me as someone who was always Christian and grew up in a "big traditional family." It took a minute to realize that the people praising these things, do not, in fact, know what they're talking about at all. (Hence the reason you see them post pics of fantasy scenarios like a mom with 6 kids under 5 and pregnant saying "this is the lifestyle I want"). They just... do not know how it works. And if they think it's easy and makes you perfectly happy? Kind of insulting. Not saying it's not worth doing. But it's not perfectly easy or always happy and sometimes other things are equally meaningful (like the arts). Also we really need a class on how to read and interpret the Bible instead of assuming we can take any verse completely literally from a modern translation without doing any deeper dive at all. Cause I see people out here saying "the wife has to always obey whatever the husband says under pain of sin" which is not only incorrect, but very evil.
The key lies right there in the post. Her grandparents lived in a very different time, with very different values and cultural perceptions. Namely, they weren’t overrun by nihilism or materialism. It’s not uncommon or even shocking to those of us who actually try to understand the mindset of those who came before us, or why they even had that mindset
Im tired of men posting about women when they have never talked to one and also don't understand words....talk about unattractive...
Amen. Or they base their idea of "women" on their wife or one daughter because that's all they know and surely there's not a variety of personalities. (If the actual wife or daughter even agree with their portrayal of them in the first place). *cough* Matt Walsh
You suppose the guy who hosts a show talking to women about women has never spoken to a woman and doesn't understand words? Can it be you just don't like negative aspects of women being showcased? He has a book you should read, its called "Why women deserve less".
@@willytodd2750 Take your online daddy's wiener out of your mouth to say that, incel
Men tell lies about women and women tell the truth about men. You'll notice men just rant about shit that is so hateful and outlandish, and most of what they say is usually reversed in reality. Like saying women have no impulse control, when studies show it's men who have worse impulse control. Or they'll say women bring nothing to the table when stats show women do essentially everything in a marriage. But everything women say about men is backed by real data, or are true stories and experiences shared by millions of women around the world in all cultures and eras. Men get mad when we don't let them tell lies about us, and they get mad when we tell the truth about them.
@lunalee3021 Half of these men aren't talking about mature women. They aren't interested in them. They only pay attention to the prettiest women under 24, so a very narrow type of woman. Not mentally mature women 25+ or ones who are less attractive. They are just invisible to them. So unfortunately the majority of women are blamed for the actions of girls. These 35+ year old men pay so much attention to 19 year olds and since they believe women are just one hivemind entity, they think we all must be the same.
It's amazing they think women need to be controlled when data shows single men get in more trouble and don't live as long because they're more wreckless. That having a close woman makes them more mature and safe. But WE need to be controlled? The warping of reality these dudes do is just... Wow. Award winning manipulation. Or delusion.
I work as a woman with a lot of women and let me tell you: I love it! Female traits like open communication, organization, teamwork and giving grace for shortcomings and mistakes is what I encounter in my work environment. Of course, there are bad apples as well and I got some really nasty work relationships in my past, but overall did working with women help my scatterbrained ass to thrive in my field of work. We look out for each other a lot and check in, if the other feels well or not. Working with men is more top down, shut up and do as I say! in my experience.
Open communication is not a female trait
I'm going to paraphrase something I heard from an actual strong woman....
Alot of "strong" women who say "men don't like strong women" aren't really strong. They're just aggressive and angry. It appears more as a defense mechanism than actual strength. But that's not true strength. True strength is being calm, collected, and reasonable even in tough situations. They respect their own boundaries and communicate them to others calmly and without aggression. They know their own worth without constantly having to prove it.
Correct. That’s what these guys mean when they don’t want one who’s “strong”, they want a strong one
To be honest I think apply to men as well. Like most overly aggressive men I have met tend really weak people.
yes, that's a true strength, irrespective of gender
@@AShreads55 very true
YES!!! Omg tghis is it, this comment hit the spot for me
My mom was always the one preaching to me that "men don't like strong/too smart women". The latter I've already deconstructed long time ago (that only a man that's not worthy of you anyway will be intimidated by your intellect), but the former I didn't think about enough. This is absolutely correct, my mom is extremely insecure and spiky, she thinks that doing everything for everyone and loading herself with tasks like a horse amounts to "strength". Lol literal strength like a horse. When in fact she's just a people pleaser, seeking validation from all the wrong people, and then pouring aggression and frustrations from that on her closest people. Of course no one would like that "strength".
God damn soviet 💩 union and its' "values", how many people you've ruined. My mom is from a post USSR country and feels soo proud of how she puts her life on alter for others, because that's what she's been taught, so she's a "good girl" that deserves a reward, doesn't get it (because no one asked her to do all these things, or take it for granted, because she's always there like a doormat), and gets angryyyyyyy.
Sorry for the tangent, really needed to vent this. Don't be like my mom, be actually self-assured, strong and look after yourself first and foremost!
Tell that to all the women who have to mother their husbands 🤦♀️
Yeah, ew. Showing love and affection to your husband is emotional labor. Thats just gross.
@WardenAzdron you know exactly what that comment meant you're just choosing to be slow, keep up soon you'll start to go backwards 👍
@@WardenAzdron totally missed the point
why stay n a relationship where you have to mother your husband ?
Women tend to choose by height rather than ability or success. Then they complain that the 190cm man-child they chose needs mothering?
Wow. Surprising.
My grandmother was an eternal child, based on some childhood trauma she experienced. My grandpa had enough money to basically keep her as a pet, but she was not a person that anyone would want as a parent or matriarch. She was basically incapable of forming meaningful relationships with any of her kids or grandkids. The comment you made about not being able to commit to anything is spot on.
And while she wasn't capable of being warm or nurturing, she still had the pettiness of a young girl. Having seen how that kinda marriage plays out over time, I don't think I could agree more with your thesis.
Oh my god the first minute of this video made me never want to leave my house again. Absolutely terrifying.
oh god i litterally hate being treated and talked down to like a child, why the fuck would i think that would attract anybody?
Well, I think it's in fact a filter for a certain type of women. I see it this way : I've a phd, I've a stable job, I've my own appartment, I've my own car that I drive manually, and these men explain to me that I should stop everything to make them sandwiches and if they deign to have s*x with me, they are not interested by my pleasure. At this point, I've cucumbers in my fridge who make better partners than them (because at least the cucumber is silent and is not at risk to perform any domestic violence). So I'm not a good client for them. They need vulnerable naive women, because these women will fall in the trap with no means to get out. Scammers use the same type of filters: if you can believe that a nigerian prince needs you, you are naive enough to fall for the scam.
This is such a great video!!! I relate so deeply to the archetype of Persephone. I spent so much time waiting for someone to come save me, growing more and more bitter over people close to me taking advantage of me while simultaneously completely unwilling to see my own part in what got me there, deathly afraid of looking under the hood so to speak. After coming to the realization that no one is coming to save me and understanding that I had agency to get out of the situation I finally got out. I have since traveled to the depths of my own underworld and some of what I observed in myself and others was hard to see but I am happy to say that I am far better off because of it. I will definitely pick this book up! It seems really interesting!
Praying for all the other women stuck in the adolescent Persephone mindset out there!
I feel like I’m stuck in that situation right now, with a part of me still hoping someone or something will save me. But I also have this stubbornness inside me that wants to do everything on her own, to be independent.
@@selenabulanart The feeling of being stuck is so frustrating. The person who I thought was saving me was actually dragging me down but my rejection of reality prevented me from seeing that, beware of serpents disguising themselves as prince 😄 You can do what ever you set your mind to, wishing you the absolute best!
41:40 Galatea, Please _do_ make a video on each of the goddesses. I would very much like to hear your deeper thoughts on this topic.
The thought occurs: Paramore has two songs that fit the toxic Persephone. "Brick by Boring Brick" is about the forever child punished by the reality she runs from, and "Misery Business" is explicitly about a woman who weaponizes a perception of innocence to manipulate others.
It's interesting that this concept is not unknown to society, but this is the first I've heard of it analyzed. I'm going to read Bolen's book, thank you Galatea for the recommendation!
As a Paramore fan, this is a great connection
What's the book title and writer?
I'm not at that part yet
@@miaisagaypony "Goddesses in Everywoman"
Real men WANT determined, smart, quirky, funny and loving women. Real men NEED a woman who can challenge them and help them grow. My wife is both my biggest critic and most loyal fan. Thank God 🤲🏼 this is key to having a fulfilling relationship from my experience. Keep on calling out the BS! Will be following your insta too!
Women aren't funny though.
So this is the infamous video that almost got lost. You must be so relieved it's here now!
Determination, Focus, Motivation.. If this guy is looking for a partner in life to be a houswife and mother to his children, wouldn't he WANT her to be those 3 things too? In what world (apart from his) are those 3 things not attractive in the mother of your children? In raising them, in protecting them, in being a good example for them. He's either lying, a fool or telling his audiance what he thinks they want to hear.
Right? Do you want your kids to be neglected? lol
It’s almost as if they haven’t thought it through.. oh wait
You’re right. But I think both sides of this argument get these ideals wrong. Hear me out
As far as motivation goes, men are already terrified of not being able to satisfy their girl. Every guy has at least an inkling of insecurity based on that. So what I really think we don’t want is discontentment. But no one will say they’re perpetually discontent. They’ll say they’re “ambitious” or “motivated”. So men avoid ambition and motivation. But like you said, those traits are imperative. As far as focus goes, men also want attention. And often times focusing on the family means focus on the children only. So they don’t want focus. Except, again, they’re trying to avoid something completely different.
I'm a slavic man. I know a couple guys who are into that kind of thing. They rarely are good people, it's like an indicator. Those guys usually can't stand losing any control (or, really, to be honest, an illusion of it), they lack any concept of mutual respect, genuine trust is some slur for them. You can't really build a genuine respect behaving like that, people can just close their eyes sometimes, but deep down everyone intuitively knows that's not good.
"She's really sweet" is usually what a guy says before saying "but I don't feel that way about her."
And it's totally okay if some men are attracted to a quiet, submissive woman. The problem is that they suggest this is the norm and a man is weird for not wanting this, AND a lot of men who say they are attracted to this actually aren't. They subscribe to the caged bird principle: they don't want a docile woman. They want a powerful woman who they can make docile.
You got that twisted. It’s “he’s a nice guy, but I don’t see him that way” or “you’re such a nice guy, why are you single?!”
Uh yeah no, this isn't very common for guys to do lol. This is painfully cliche woman behavior.
Women and girls should not think that being sweet is a typically bad or unattractive thing. most men want a woman who is sweet to them. At the very most you could say that manyt not want a woman who is sweet to everyone, that they would prefer a woman who is sweet only to a man she considers worthy
Men usually don't say "I don't feel that way about her" because her sweetness is unattractive. If a man thinks that a woman is really sweet but is unnattracted to her then it's more likely because she is not physically attractive or because she has some other serious flaw rather than the problem being because she's sweet. It's not very often that a man finds a woman sweet and physically attractive but he isn't attracted to her overall because he specifically wants a more belligerent or dangerous or cold or femme-fatale type women. That sometimes happen but it's a minority. Even when men like "bitchy" women like resting bitch faces, they usually fantasise about being the one to "conquer" her and make her bitchiness melt and become sweet. The end of your post even acknowledges this. not a huge fraction men want a woman to be dangerous or femme-fatale or belligerent throughout even after they have gotten together. maybe 20%.
Being sweet doesn't require being boring or appearing desperate.
@@asimhussain8716 Yes, it is very common.
@@chupachuuups706 No, he go it right. Most men just constantly lie to themselves and the world about who they realy are and how they actually behave. Same thing when being creeps but accuse the women of shutting them down for being ugly or not rich enough.
I learn a lot about the female experience and perspective from these videos. I think TAO is helping me be a better girl dad lol
I love this. Your daughters will appreciate your efforts in understanding them
We can all have compassion for each other's different experiences and I'm happy you're having compassion for your daughter(s). 💛
I am incredibly proud of you for taking the initiative... I feel as though there aren't many men or fathers that would take the time to learn and get a better understanding of the female experience...
Honestly, I don't know if my bf even does.... it's quite lonesome... I'm also somewhat worried on the way he may potentially treat his daughters if I do marry him.... and decide to have kids with him.. anyway. Sorry about that.
Regardless, I am happy for your daughters and I do hope they flourish in their femininity and to hopefully see as not as something to be ashamed of .. or as something that is inherently weak or docile
If an adult woman is inexperienced and makes stupid decisions that's because she's inexperienced, not because she's a woman.
Red pill people have no balls to say this tho
What about when they make the same mistake repeatedly. Lol
@@indiomoustafa2047 that's a choice they make, everyone can be stupid and it's still not because they are a woman lol what's your point?
Usually it's the latter
That sponsor segment was actually so entertaining and cool
My Dad made the money my mom (also ran side hustles) paid the bills, ran their retirement fund , homeschooled all 6 of her kids from K-college and helped us when we were having trouble with whatever project we were working on and was a mature bulwark of our family keeping us together in tough times and good. She was not childish. With that being said I wonder if a lot of the misogynists are just using their experiences with call girls and only fans models as their image of a common woman.
Yeah that definitely seems to be the problem with Fresh n Fit and Michael Sartain and I think the Whatever guys only bring them on for the easy smack down content.
Sadly though, most young women are quite promiscuous these days and share many of the same mannerisms and lack of maturity as the girls on those shows, just not quite to the extreme degree as them.
That doesn't make for a good wife, girlfriend, partner, whatever.
"Who can find a virtuous wife? For her worth is far above rubies."..."She considers a field and buys it; From her profits she plants a vineyard. She girds herself with strength, And strengthens her arms. She perceives that her merchandise is good, And her lamp does not go out by night."..."Strength and honor are her clothing; She shall rejoice in time to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, And on her tongue is the law of kindness." ~Proverbs 31
Doesn't sound very "docile" or "childlike" to me. Christian bros, PLEASE read what the the Bible actually says about a good woman, and not twitterites.
The bible says you can own slaves, maybe people should come up with their own moral axioms instead of copying notes of some guy from the iron age.
@@PlatinumAltariaplease make some research about your first take
@@palhacogozo89 Please stop trying to mend the reputation of a thousand year old book.
@@PlatinumAltaria i think you missed the point in ops comment. It is using the bible as a example BECAUSE those conservative mfs consider themselves CHRISTIANS. So they might as well know about their religion
@@PlatinumAltariaThese are actually equivocated interpretations of the Bible, because cultures changes, as the texts finality changes too, however as a christian I don't think that the Bible says that (Also ir lgbt, I'm also lgbt too
The only women I'm attracted to have strong personalities, great intelligence, know how to have meaningful, mutual conversations, and can help me become a better man.
The double take I did at that “be her leader” tweet near about snapped my neck
Omg the same. I had to pause the video and read and think about his hypocrisy about the 4 unattractive traits in men before contiuning the video. And then the tweet continues with 4 unacttractive traits in women 😂😂😂 i rofled... what an idiot
Womp womp
@@monolyza_ womp womp
The thing with being loyal is that is a big commitment and a lot of determination, respect and maturity is required for that. And it requires a partner that is deserving of that loyalty and is able to be just as loyal in return - so no wonder those alpha male dudes can't find a woman truly loyal to them.
2:46 minutes in and already I think you’ve hit the nail on the head about how femininity has historically been viewed in western Christian societies (in many indigenous societies this is very much not the case) vs how it is viewed in the present day. In the past it was ‘Women need to shut up, submit, be silent, cook and clean and rear children and do nothing else, and that’s femininity’- femininity was controlled and feminine power was stifled. Now, it’s ’In order to be successful or competent as a woman you need to sacrifice all of your softness, and all your traditionally feminine, maternal characteristics’. We’ve never really had a culture that actually respects and sees the power in the feminine, the true feminine (not just the infantilised, controlled patriarchal version)- with pockets of exceptions here and there, such as in the Courts of Love etc.
I would disagree to a point with regards to the past. Maybe it is a cultural thing but feminity often thrived in cultures where men and women had their own separate "spheres". I distinctly remember in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", how the older Greek ladies telling the younger ladies whats up about how to wield feminine power in their relationship. I don't think Feminity was shunned or compromised (and that sounds very much like the old of old woman wisdom that existed long in the past). I think its more a case of Feminine power wasn't often visibly seen because it was subtle, it was manipulation. Masculine power is more direct, its more easily seen.
@@hengineer I agree for the most part. It’s definitely often a thing that just goes unspoken and in acknowledged! But more so feminine spirituality has been suppressed, and feminine modes of being *within* public life.
Feminine power doesn’t have to be ‘manipulative’ if it isn’t suppressed. Manipulation is how women survive in societies where they’re silenced and subdued. Perhaps the word you’re looking for is ‘influential’.
Don't you understand? Femininity and Masculinity are social constructs. There isn't one ideal feminity and one masculinity and each woman has her own femininity because she is a woman.
That's all that feminism says, women don't have to perform feminity anymore like they did some decades ago. For you, femininity might be soft and dainty but for another woman it might be something completely different and both those ideas are valid and can coexist at the same time.
@@DMp-xp6mj That’s literally what Galatea says in the video, and what I’m saying. Femininity isn’t one thing and there’s no right or wrong way to be a woman. This is a deeply bad faith interpretation of what I just said. I’m not saying all femininity is soft and dainty, I’m saying *some* feminists (not all, I am a feminist) and hypercapitalists masquerading as feminists have shamed women for expressing those ‘traditionally feminine’ traits. I do understand, thanks though.
@erinrhianne Sorry if this came across as agreesive, I didn't mean for that to happen but I'll admit that your "true feminine" did rub me the wrong way because there's so much dialogue online about the "divine feminine" and "feminine power" and most of this is regurgitated patriarchical ideals
At one hand they have women to have no power, be like children and also have enough financial, managerial, and emotional skills to manage an entire household and their multiple kids alone.
Seriously, you can't manage the household while having no power and being childlike. Weak women create weak children who have to find their way to adulthood the hard way, and these morons want weak women.
Who said anything about women having enough financial material to manage a household alone?
And what kind of emotional skills are needed for managing a household?
@@thewolf9851 Go outside and touch grass and you will see. No internet will give you the answer to that and that means no information the red pill aka internet says deserves any trust because it was never verified
These kind of men really misunderstand the quiet and soft spoken types because of their own immaturity. While of course both genders can be immature, the mature versions of this feminine woman is powerful like water is powerful. It does not mean lack of agency, intelligence or competence.
In a healthy relationship this can be matched with a true leader. A true leader has humility and understands their limits. They understand they are only in their leadership position as long as they have the cooperation (not submission) of their counterpart and their leadership has to be based on competence, not power. They have to be a protector and self sacrificing if the need should arise because they understand the higher goal which is worth sacrificing for.
These immature men want their cake and eat it too but are willfully blind to that. They are narcissists, not leaders.
Love love love this video. A little series with discussing the 7 archetypes would be a lot of fun. So much food for thought. Thank you for how much effort and depth you put into these videos and conversations. Makes me miss my Uni literature discussion classes🥹
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I just think it’s funny that they want us to be like babies while also expecting us to baby them and raise their babies with hardly any input from them.
Some want one thing while some want the other
Oh my god I felt the same thing going into high school, I knew that being an adult was after being a teenager, and I was puzzled how all these adults were once lively children but they’ve all lost their sparks, it terrified me, i thought “I don’t know what happens between childhood and adulthood but I’m going to be cautious and hold on to my self”
Women stop maturing as soon as we start getting sexual attention from men??? So like, while we're still in diapers? 🥴
Lol literally. I’m not sure how they realise how this sounds. Most women I know started being perved on around the age of 10.
@@erinrhianne I started noticing grown men hitting on me around that age too.
I was 4💀@@crazyeights8815
@@erinrhianne same. Mine was 14-15 and I was just trying to go to the library to get a book🤦🏾♀️
Mine was 17 when 40+ yos were making creepy comments on my fb. But also I am autistic and don't realise such things irl
What is this?! Two Galatea vids in as many weeks?!
We are eating so well, thank you dear Galatea 💙💙
Aren’t we just? Isn’t it nice 😂
Was so shocked how it seems like some of these men exist in the comments lol. I've never really interacted with the community but I really appreciate your well thought-out opinions and thorough, followable explanations. I can't imagine hate-watching something for 3 hours only to not take in and think about the ideas presented lol
I was so shocked to find those incels in the comment section😭😭 and so much of them !
You explaining the loss of innocence, growing up, really cut deep with me. I had a really similar experience, I never wanted to grow up. I hated people talking about my body when I was still a *child* in puberty. For most of my life I have essentially had this internal misogyny, because womanhood to me seemed like hell. It still kinda does.
Reminds me of the whole "I'm just a girl" tiktok trend that I hated where you could sub that out for "te hee I have no responsibility or agency or maturity" in which the woman would usually show excessive shopping/spending or ghosting a guy or being bad at math or showing off their terrible nutrition skipping something important.
Right 🙄 meanwhile there's grown man out here who unlive and sa women, children, animals, corpse, objects... etc then say things like "oh well boys will be boys"😊
Yes, exactly this.
I hate that trend because I love wearing bows and frills but I don't want to be associated with those kinds of girls
The thing that i find funny about the "young girls find older men attractive" is that these men equate "find attractive" with "will date".
And as someone who always found certain older men attractive (dua lipa's dad, i mean, daaaamn)... Hell nah. Just because theres a hot dude in a suit with colin firth energy, doesnt mean i want to marry the guy. I rarely met an older man that i found "attractive" that didnt started looking pretty damn boring after a short conversation. Cuz guess what happens? They started doing the whole "dear girl, i have more experience, so shut up and adore me" spiel, rather than treat me as an equal. No amount of silver fox can fix that
i have absolutely heard the whole 'let him think it was his idea' thing - no idea when or were but definitely one i've heard a lot !!
incredible video, so glad you were able to recover it !!
I’ve heard it from My Big Fat Greek Wedding.
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They want mature woman that are like children?
Also he said a woman who thinks she’s funny is unattractive…..but never said anything about a woman who’s naturally funny😂
You’re absolutely full of creativity and knowledge. Keep doing what you do! 🌟
My husband and I are devout Catholics. We are “kind of” traditional in the sense that whenever he jokingly says I don’t listen to him, I retort with, “honey, if I didn’t listen to you 95% of the time, you wouldn’t have married me,” and we both laugh. My husband is very much a leader, and I am very much choosing to be led by him because I trust him and he is kind and good. Our theory about why trad Catholics SEEM to embrace this intense “biblical submission” dynamic is that they are actually into more sexually depraved things like BDSM, which would not be permitted in a Catholic marriage. So, the closet they can get to a “master slave relationship” while still maintaining their devout Catholic life is to do this whole wifely submission thing. Just a theory!
A game theory!
Couldn't resist 😂
I think it's probably more like they're on the spectrum of cultish behavior and happen to intersect with both. Or they just feel extra guilty, like Robert Hanssen.
Christ 100% preached masochism. He glorified poverty and suffering, and a strict hierarchy based worldview. No need to be holier than thou.
@@adorp lol. No. Christ did not preach “getting pleasure, especially sexual, from one’s own humiliation.” He preached “love your neighbor as yourself”, and those two world views do not mix. I’ll wait for the cherry-picked and out of context scripture references, but like my “hero” Lucille Bluth remarked, I won’t respond to them”.
@@BastianHelena Lol, didn't Christ himself say that those who have ears, shall hear?
You don't appear to have ears. You have already preaumed what my response will be.
Definitely something to be said about how masculinity in women is sought after when it is packaged in an attractive way, i.e. girl bosses, etc., but also deeply deeply detested when that masculinity is expressed in physical appearance that society doesn’t deem desirable: the most horrific thing you can be as a woman is masculine. homophobia towards Butches, etc.
All the women in my life have been outspoken, confident, commanding and even brash. My grandma, mother, aunts and even cousins. At least for me, when it comes to femininity, the infantilization of women has always been such a foreign concept since they've always been such authoritative and strong figures in my life.
The way these guys talk about women shows they do not understand women
The way they talk ... Makes me want to run. And forever be single.
It's very clear they don't understand or respect woman. Then surprised why women retaliate just to make equal space and be respected in return. Wake up men. Domination is not the answer here.
@@sotacoresabreenav Either men wake up or they face a neighborhood that loves to lick the blood of misogynists
Can I just say that first outfit is amazing? Im constantly impressed by how creative you are with these.
But also, mythologically, Persephone isn't the eternal maiden, that's Kore, who she was before. Persephone is the dread queen of the underworld, august and grand, and the equal of Hades.
the phrase “willing to be trained” gives me a feeling of absolute disgust that i feel like i can’t even properly explain it
TAO stumbling on my notifications makes me smile ear-to-ear.
I gasped
“A woman’s glory is silence” is a bold statement when the philosophers were having pillow talks with their male students…
Doesn't mean it's not true
women in the 50s and 60s were absolutely miserable. They literally needed drugs to survive all this stress. I don't want to get back there! If there was a situation where women weren't allowed to live independently from men anymore, I'd join a monastery and be a nun!
Women take drugs now everyday like it's normal to be on prozac and other SSRIs indefinitely. That on top of birth control and whatever else they put in their body surely isn't having any affect.
But yeah I'm sure men were all happy in the patriarchy of the '50s and '50s because you know reality is like Mad Men where every average Joe lived like an elite Manhattan advertising rep.
Life used to be harder for most people. Women weee miserable then because of what? Staying home all day with their kids or doing housework? Most women I know of given the choice of being at a job all day or being able to take their kids to and from school or see them at home all day would choose the latter. Women are miserable at their jobs now. That's why they all take anti-anxiety and anti-depressants.
Women should be able to live independently from men if they want but let's not rewrite the past like we're talking about the Handmaid's Tale or something.
Great point about women not being naturally obedient. I too believe obedience depends on the person not sex. Perhaps there is good evolutionary reason for women to not be obedient, they have to be careful and not easily led or dominated.
“obedience” is for dogs, not human beings
@@coolchameleon21 some dogs. Mine has other ideas..
@@pallavidawson7933 same 😂 my dog is the least obedient creature on the planet lol
@@coolchameleon21 And mine would have never given a rat's ass about red pill ego and would go straght for the kill and believe me when I say even women would condone that
Women are objectively more obedient towards authority figures.
@theauthenticobserver Having watched 30 minutes at this point and some of your older videos in the past, I have a strong urge to tell you how much your (to my opinion) very balanced rethoric is a huge breath of fresh air that popped up in my algorithm. I love it and your interesting and your are great 👍
docile and silent are words I expect to see in the evaluation of a psych ward patient
I'm really enjoying these recent videos! Hope your channel blows up soon, you deserve it.
Can't wait for the goddess archetypes video series!! Loved this one!! ☆☆☆☆☆
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I find many men are more like children then women, they need to be babied and told how wonderful and big and strong and smart they are or they feel insecure, they tend to have lower emotional intelligence and intuition, accepting things at face value, they like cars and motorbikes etc the way children like toys. A lot of them feel safe and secure when their woman cooks and cleans up after them and takes care of them, kinda how a Mother cares for for a child and don’t even get me started on when they get sick!
Sounds like you have a type.
Yeah that's cause toxic masculinity mistakes emotional intelligence for emotional fragility, making most dudes so disconnected from themselves they can't comprehend their own feelings.
@@suruxstrawde8322 Shut up, you crazed woman
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Speaking of --
I wasn’t expecting to gain so much inner wisdom from this video. I’ve always been drawn to Persephone without fully understanding why, but every single thing you said about her I related to. The indecisiveness that rules her life, the close but almost too close relationship with her mother, the stunted maturity, being walked all over because of it but also being open to learn and grow in a way her counterparts may not be. I’m interested in reading that book now, as I’m always trying to improve my ability to work with myself and my confusing mind. Thank you for bringing something so helpful and enlightening to the conversation 💕
MA'AM, your sponsor segments are OUTTA THIS WORLD! SO GOOD! 😮
It's weird how gender dynamics always came with a pressure on what skills you should be capable. Is it some peak ideal for men to not be able to care for themselves and women being helpless?
yes these males want their women strong in bs resistance so he can have more fun breaking her down but not independent so she can't leave him.
Yeah yeah. And men are so reserved and logical with their anger tantrums. Because you know, anger is not an emotion like tears.
Most are logical and rational and can control their anger.
This made me realized a lot a pattern I realized is that I would date guys and I could be described as bubbly by people and on the surface level but I felt like whenever I ever show maybe even contradicting type of femininity I feel like at times I can resonate with Artemis but I noticed guys I would be interested but when I showed anytime of other femininity than a specific type they seemed kinda losing interest and since I am a teenage girl and these are teenage boys and finding out the manosphere only celebrate only one time of femininity and for awhile I thought I was weird at times I would be described as the femininity that was celebrated but the whole docile and ordered around and I fantasizing was weird to me I have positive view on the world and I’m bubbly but I’d rather die than be described as a victim or as naive or following around I always value understanding other views and accepting change but not accepting blindly this video kinda open my views I really appreciate your videos I’m a teenage girl and i find myself lost especially when it comes to my own femininity i have no sisters and my mother doesn’t value or often mocks hyper femininity I had the impression I was weak since I’ve always been quite emotional your channel feels like something feels so welcoming in a world where people love mocking or undervaluing teenage girls this is such a nice change I really can’t thank you enough your channel genuinely helped my world views
Edit: hi I read the book finally It took me awhile. But I realized I’m a mix of Aphrodite, Demeter and Persephone. Aphrodite is a type of femininity that is deeply shun. And Demeter and Persephone are widely celebrated. I realized why I put so much importance on relationships and why I was repulsed by certain men I dated in the past. My inner Persephone wanted emotional unavailable men and I wanted to be taken care of. My inner Demeter wanted to be needed and I would sometimes like very pathetic men to put it harshly.my inner Aphrodite was often bored by these pathetic men that wouldn’t challenge or excite me and I would also want very intense relationship that emotionally unavailable men couldn’t provide me.And also I tend to show very Demeter and Persephone traits to the people around me . These three goddesses are very contradictory so I was very confused for awhile about myself and why I was attracting weird men and why they would lose interest and also maybe why I’m attracted to so many different types of men the book helped me immensely to understand myself a lot better. Thank you🙏🙏
You've got this. Don't worry about impressing others, be your bubbly self and be whatever else you are if that's what makes you happy ❤ Trying to please everyone is a sure way to end up betraying yourself.
Holy fuck, maybe use some punctuation. This was very hard to read.
@@leriava thank you so much 🙏🙏
@@bearrry467 God bless you, dear!
The bird sounds in the background are so nice and help me focus. Love it! And love your outfit.
You rocked THE CRAP out of the Ground news ad. My goodness. I thought you were from an actress from a black and white film at first.
"Women lack emotional stability" Have you ever seen what happens when a man gets rejected from a woman?
Pretty much nothing 99 out of 100 times.
Yes women lack emotional stability.
@@paccawacca4069mmmm kind of weird to give a man 99/100 benefit of the doubt but have a definite response on women’s emotional stability lol
@@paccawacca4069 Traslation: If I believe only internet, then everyone will believe me. Going outside and touching grass means losing credibility to real people. Only red pill but never not internet beings will bring me purpose
He says: Alright, have a good day!"
That's what happens. A normal and nice reaction. Emotionally stable.
@@melisuhh_mmmm not weird at all lol
That thumbnail disturbed me. For one second I feared cern slid me to an alternate universe where it wasn't ironic or clickbait.
As someone with adhd and ptsd, i have only now at 21 realised that i have so much of persephone in me. And i will forever. I hate not being able to set boundaries, to say no, to be a yes girl. I want to grow, but im just constantly depending too my on others.
If my female and male ancestors weren’t fierce and determined…
I woudn’t be here.
Thanks for giving me a backbone.
Nobody told me, I got a career and a fulfilling life and everything, nobody told me I wasn't meant to. Might have an emotional outburst about it later.
As someone who up until recently was basically the Persephone archetype; it actually from my experience helped me grow into my own person through self realization of learning how to respect yourself; the saying goes you cannot expect others to give respect if you’re not giving it first but the reality is most people will take your respect without giving it back.The only person who can truly respect you and your boundaries is yourself; it sounds more simple than it really is. Through respecting myself; I feel as though my respect towards others has also increased while not feeling like a door mat. I do think that stagnation of any kind in personal growth is stunting but ultimately inevitable as long as we can get past it eventually.
I swear to god i love the topic ure talking about of course, but i just cant help but admire ur set and the whole filter u did for your video.
Its so gorgeous and not everyone even bother with their sets and filters/playing with colors like that nowadays (if not, it's the boring minimal aesthetic or neutral tones) and its super appreciated to my eyes
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@@CertifiedMenace1234everything alright at home?
When these people (men + Pearl) say very young girls are more attractive what they actually mean is that they (men) are more attracted to them (young girls). There's nothing inherently more attractive in a teenager vs a 22 y.o. woman other than her lack of experience, agreeableness and malleability to these types. As I work at a university I can confidently say that most 24 y.o. women can pass as 16-18 y.o.
Let these people talk and they always show their true meaning.
This conversation is so disturbing.
Its odd to me as a man because the only things that a younger woman might have over an older woman is a longer window on her fertility, as well as less of a chance of "baggage", that is less of a chance that you've had life experience that is scarring (I will point out that exists for both men and women). And that also doesn't automatically mean that "older" women automatically have baggage, it just means that older women have a higher chance of having......baggage. Otherwise older women can be just as beautiful as younger women (although I will also add that its easier to maintain your physical health when younger, for both men and women).
@@hengineer I'm surrounded by 16-25 y/o diagnosed with PTSD, anxiety and panic disorders. That's some HEAVY baggage lmao
The whole concept of "baggage" can be quite tricky to address. I have heard so many things that could count as baggage. But really, how much "baggage" can an average 20 y.o. have over a 16 y.o.? It must not really be that significative.
With regards to the fertility window it would only be valid if you expect these young women to start having children as soon as possible. If we're thinking of having kids at 23, starting to date a woman at 20 would be good enough.
No, I'm convinced this is all about younger (really young) girls being easier to manipulate and control.
@@leriava I don't know any legit person claiming 23 is old. What.
@@hengineerUnless men start wanting 15 kids, the decisive factor on the number of kids they have is not if they marry a 16 year old vs a 22 year old 😂