I have to disagree on this one... Tinkering is how you learn to set up and maintain your bow, how to build better arrows, how to use and set up different kinds of sights etc, and knowing how changes affect your shooting is also important, and can help you learn more rapidly. Some of us are inquisitive and just need to understand how things work, as it can help us diagnose and fix issues etc (eg, by elimination if nothing else). Tinkering and blaming your equipment are different things. I could go on but I won't. Keep up the great work Steve!!
Kind of agree, I'll shoot a 15yr old round wheel compound at 60# and a recurve at 50# with all sights, rest n shit, wrist and thumb release at the same time. I'll tinker with shit... Next day I'll shoot fingers with a traditional recurve or Eastern style ambidextrous. And focus on form. Totally different but I enjoy archery for it's variations and history as well as the tech. Keep knocking cunts💪💪 Love from Aus
I have a mentor who has been shooting for over 26 years, has represented the country on international events, who echoes this sentiments, but with the caveat that you only earn, so to speak, the right to do this once you prove you are able to shoot consistently well. Otherwise, you are just tweaking stuff without realizing if it was either the sight or rest adjustment, for example, that you just did that messed up all of your groups.
Yeah but your missing the Point. If they are Tinkering to improve what they are the cause of ,then they WONT LEARN they just get frustrated and often blame the Tools and stop shooting ,Thats what you dont understand Novice shooter ( Im a Coach ) often stop shooting because of over tinkering , they get lost in the mess , I fix it, they tinker again, Then I fix it again and then they become embarrassed and stop shooting.
I 100% agree but I want to add another point - archery stuff is cool, I work hard so I can spend money on things I think are cool. Red anodized Beiter plunger instead of my Avalon one.. hell yes!
Hell yeah mate. Honestly most of my archery gear are chosen by their looks. Sometimes people come by and say "wow you got this *expensive gear*, so do it really make less vibration, help you shoot better scores or whatever?" and I honestly cant see much difference between like my current stabilizer and 2 other ones that a I had before. But the last one sure looks cooler
Ty ty Steven saying the truth is so important ....love the bluntness of this ..... 1st thing to tune is between the ears ...... you're so right .... the best honest info on the tube
Good advice! I started archery about 6 years ago but only shot occasionally. In March 2022, I decided to really pursue it. I have two mid-priced bows, both 70 lbs. and a lowly Diamond Prism. The Prism is $329 as a package and it is what I have shot the most to really develop my form because it can be adjusted from 5 to 55 pounds. I started out at 30 lbs. so that I could shoot a lot and gradually increased the draw weight as I went. In March, at 20 yards, I was doing well if I could hit a 6" circle and most of the time my "groups" were 8" to 10" so I had to start completely from scratch at 5 yards. I focused heavily on the basics and now, with that very inexpensive bow, I'm pretty disappointed with a 2" five shot group at 20 yards. Most of the time, 4 of my 5 arrows are 1" or less and a flyer usually opens it up to 1-1/2". I've had 5 shot groups where all arrows were touching. (I know that's hard on arrows, they're cheap ones, but I like it. I do ruin the occasional one.) I'm a natural born tinkerer so I certainly have done that but it's the practice that has made me a better archer. Based on my experience, my advice now to anyone just getting into archery would be to go buy a cheap bow and learn to shoot it. Those of us of the male persuasion tend to think we need a 70 lb. bow that we can barely draw back or we're not manly. Hogwash. Get a bow that can be turned down to 30 lbs and start there. That bow won't be any more accurate at 55 lbs. than at 30 lbs and you'll be able to shoot 5 dozen arrows or more in a session easily and work on your form. Once you're shooting well with your inexpensive bow, you'll have a better idea of what you like and want. Then go out and get that dream setup that's going to set you back at least $2000.
you kinda want to invest in a riser though. A good solid one that will stay and isn't cast but fully machined is probably your best purchase that'll last for years to come. As for arrows my skylon radius is my go to training arrow, and my indoor is a brux. Outdoor i'll be hitting up Pandarus for a couple of dozen icepoints.
I'm 68 and have been shooting barebow for over a year. I've been trying to change from an instinctive snap shooter to an archer that aims and is consistent. Despite shooting with very expensive gear my groups were horrendous and could cover a 122 target. It's taking me months to get those groups on target and arrows touching. So yes form is everything At least I know if something goes wrong it's down to me and not the equipment
Totally, I’ve been shooting 17 years. I usually have a bow for maybe 4 years ish. Once set up hardly touch it. Every few months may get a new piece of kit. Always tempted by new kit obviously but know may not make the slightest bit of difference. I’m at a point where very small changes may make a difference, or not. But rarely make them. However I had really bad target panic at one point, so went back to basics. Back tension evolution release, blank boss only shooting for 12 months. But the difference it made was massive then started winning tournaments, ranked high at UK Masters and UK Championships and shot at Vegas (didn’t do great at 886 though) It’s ALL about you and how you shoot. I see guys at the club always fiddling, also not understanding how their form is affecting the shot. Throwing arrows down without really thinking.
Yup, ive found myself before hunting season shooting bareshaft to make sure all is good, only to panic and chase problems. i have the bow tuned with high f.o.c arrows i build months before the season, i have learned not go back and check anymore after that. its almost always the shooter. when im hanging from a tree, heart rate up, shooting a target that moves though holes in the brush, form goes out the window. as long as my bow and arrow setup shoot straight, i have learned....leave it alone!
I agree with the sentiment. There's a market for content about tuning and tweaking hardware and accessories and I know it really attracts a lot of views, but the harsh truth is novices and beginners are better served having their bow initially aligned and setup by a skilled pro shop technician and learn to shot well using that and learn the theory and how it all works little by little so by the time they can actually tell when their lack of accuracy is caused by equipment tuning, they'll actually know what to tweak and by how much.
I have to have the bow set up as I use recurves and longbows in the hunting style off the arrow rest shelf but there are things one can be doing like switching arrows or switching up the feathers/shelf style vanes on the arrow, switching the FOC on arrows, and last the brace height changing that within the manufacture recommendation of best or nocking, under arrow/above arrow. I say once you find the arrow that fits, the weight forward that works for the arrow, and then on string side brace height/nocking point you like then keep it and stop fixing things that do not need fixing. Almost forgot, if hunting try to find the broadheads at the wight you want to use same as broadhead for hunting game both big game and the small game head be it small mini broadhead or blunts for small game. Now I mean same weight as the field tip, or no more then 5 grain difference like 125 field and 130 grain broadhead/small game blunt as this will help keep the arrow flying the same and I know some lower quality/cheaper Broadheads have a small 1--2 grain difference from the field tip even if the field tip is from a cheaper brand.
Oops yeah that's me. My peep kept turning so I put "tubing" to the peep,...then I changed my hand grip,.. "and" adjusted my cable bus bar,...all in the "SAME" shoot 😂. Oops 🏹🤠👍
Generally great info. Few caveats though.. basic centreshot, level nock travel, correct spine, peep height etc. are basically all you need to print good groups with field points- Leave your bow alone and focus on your form BUT…. The same can’t be said once you introduce fixed blade broadheads ... unless the bow is adequately tuned with respect to cam adjustments etc. even a hooter shooter won’t put them in one hole on the target alongside your field points.
I tune my bow and leave it alone. If its not broken, don't fix it. Interestingly. I still shoot considerably higher scores with my PSE StingerX that I do with my other 'good' bow.
I'm definitely guilty. Although I'm not blaming my equipment, I just want to make my bow feel exactly like I want it to, and I end too adjust too much too often, without giving myself time to adjust my technique to it. I tend to want to see immediate results, and it's not great for me.
I’m new to archery. My wife blames Stevens reviews for my Archery addiction and once my 15th compound bow arrives she may be right. Lol. Anyway, once I set up a bow I tend to leave it alone. If I can shoot decent groups I’m happy.
Bro I had the same problem but I find I keep the best ones I like, you can really only shoot one at once I had 24 compounds sold like 8 still got like 16 gonna keep 8 of them and will probably buy another one but I still pull out my evl 34 because I'm confident with that bow but I've learned not to play with stuff to much but this is a better addiction than I had 15 years ago.
Fully agree. Once I have set up a bow, I try to master it, like it is. My "problem" is, I have to many bows. All are “traditional”. It makes so much fun, to shoot today a HH Bow from Craig Eiken and next day a Black Widow and then the Oneida, not for fishing, and the Hoyt Satori should be shoot also, and the Bears … and, and. Man, life is too short to shoot all time long the same bow and it is definitely too short, to spend too much time for tuning the one percent of the whole. My opinion. Happy shooting our bows 😂.
I don't touch a thing. Once it's all set up correctly that's it. I work on form and then get in the reps. I started in 2017 and I'm one of the better archers at the place where I shoot and it's the same wherever I go, I'm generally one of the better shooters. It's all about reps.
Lol, recently I asked Stephen to do a video on different manufacturers' bows' adjustments. When I had a compound, I felt if I couldn't get consistent good tears in paper, then it didn't matter how consistent I was and that shooting was pointless. I got frustrated and wanted to switch to recurve.
I am considering a recurve bow. My draw length with fingers is 29 1/2 so my question is how many lbs. does a recurve increase every inch past 28" Thank you so much
If I can but 3 fixed blade broadheads in 3" circle at 70 yards it good to go as long as it will do that and I have 3 that have done that with out changeing anything for the last 7 years
Totally agreed, it's 100% comes from the archer but one thing I would like to add more is documenting while you tinker your bow so you can always go back. I know it takes time (alot), it took me 5 months to finally leave my bow alone (LOL, it was rough on my bow, im sorry bow), but it will be well worth. Change minor thing, dont feel good or lower score, go back, repeat until done and once it's done, please leave the bow alone. Also if you dont know where to start, now there are alot of resource to check out from beginner friendly to advance stuffs (NUsensei, TripleTrouble, Jake Kaminski) and of course this channel
I never had to fiddle with my older bows because they didn’t have so much gadgetry ! They wouldn’t make it adjustable if it wasn’t meant to be adjusted !
Just found out that, although I have been a long time customer, you won't accept a new pair of limbs to send to me, because you couldn't supply the bow last year, despite it being listed, therefore I needed to buy the bow from England
Needles to say, you just lost another customer, and this is the last video of yours that I will watch, as I will now unsubscribe. Thanks for such a wonderful business attitude. By the way, that hole on the side of bows is called a BERGER HOLE. 40 years of shooting bows and decades of selling them, and you never learnt that. Sad, really sad.
some people go to the gym everyday, I shoot my bow everyday. My range is literally 5 minutes away. What I’ve noticed is new people and some archers that have been at it for a while fiddle with their bows, arrow weights, “FOC”, sights, etc…. So they don’t have to shoot. I call it their crutch, so they always have an excuse why they miss the spot. Period. Shoot the bow. Period
I love your content overall, and I think your heart is in the right place, but maybe you had a rough stretch in the shop where some novices really messed up their tune. People tend to learn from their mistakes. I know I do. As wonderful as that Elite bow is, how many people will truly appreciate it if they don't try new things to find out what doesn't work? Following your channel for as long as I have, I think you will reflect on the message in this particular video, and either come out with a new video to tone down some of the harsh, uncompromising statements in this post, or remove it completely.
No, he's right. Until you have a solid shooting technique dialied in and a working knowledge of the theory behind archery, you won't even be able to tell if your tweaking improved or worsened your shot. You just aren't experienced enough yet. Not to mention properly tuning most bows require investing in additional hardware and tools that are simply a poor use of a novice's time and money until they know how to shoot properly.
I agree %100. We have a fella in the US that is trying to coin an always be tinkering phrase or something like that. Don’t agree with it. Work on form and try to find consistency.
You own a shop, you've been shooting for 40 years, but you don't know how to set your limb alignment, set an even tiller, tie on nocking points at a measurable height, set your center-shot etc...? Basic setup stuff? Tuning would be so much quicker and easier if you started with that simple baseline.
I keep seeing Americans making videos like "CAN I SHOOT AMAZON'S CHEAPEST BOW!?!?" or "WILL A $200 BOW KILL A DEER" and they're driving me insane...and I'm new! Sure gear is exciting and interesting and I can understanding the American hunting set up is different to Australia, we can hunt any time whereas they have a season to hunt so you can see why people start looking for every little edge they can get to get that Deer or whatever. But my point is... people can do amazing things with just a piece of wood, some plant fibre, a stick and some feathers. It's bizarre to me how one of the oldest weapons humans used, now has so much research and technology thrown at it (even modern trad bows) and people seem to think you can't shoot anything if you don't have x y or z.... or are surprised when they, an expert archer, easily shoot an animal with a $200 compound that even 10 gears ago would've been a flagship quality bow Look i've only been shooting for 6 months in high school and 2024 (it's the beginning of March) BUT I shoot 50 arrows minimum a day and put all my effort into form. I've already been able to nail some Tilapia with a Topoint recurve and $30 Ebay arrows
The worst thing is compound bow shooting has a gigantic mountain of information you need to know. On top of that you have everyone else telling you what you should or shouldn't do. What that does is confuse new archers. They don't know if it them or the bow in the end because of all that information overload. I was one of those new archers that thought a new sight or better release would help me or that my bow was not tuned right. I nearly gave the sport away because everything was confusing. Eventually I realised I was having more fun just shooting my bow how it was and eventually my shooting improved drastically. Now I buy a bow and get it set up professionally and shoot how it is without touching anything. Btw I recently bought a bow from your shop. I asked that it be set at a 26 inch draw and 55 pounds. When the bow came to me and I took it to my local shop that I've used the last 15 years, it was found the bow was instead set to 52 pounds and a 26.5 inch draw. I'm not sure who in the shop set it up but if that's a normal thing, no wonder new archers are having trouble with their setup.
One thing I noticed personally is that having done this sport for 9 years now when I first started alot of videos online for newbies make people think they need to do all these adjustments. For example paper tuning. Everywhere online makes you think you need to do it to shoot well. Looking back the reality is it made no difference for me.
As a former pilot let me tell you... There's a hell of a lot of work done behind the scenes before a pilot even considers starting an aircraft. Whoever coined that phrase obviously wasn't a pilot :)
@@NPC-fl3gq its the archer not the bow. Steve is just saying dont pretend that your bow is the reason your not good. Practice with purpose. Make results driven changes. Its a topgun reference anyway. Go watch a movie sometime. Dont think just do.
Oh my god, this is me. I'm already almost 3 years down the road of shooting bows, i already have 3 bows, but i cant shoot at all. I literally broke all the arrows for my recurve because i miss even the arrow stop and arrows break. But i'm constantly twisting the yokes, changing the serving, changing the cable guard, changing the arrow rest, changing the sight, cutting arrows, changing the vanes, adding weight to arrows, removing weight from arrows, changing the draw weight, changing the draw length, i bought a semi-makeshift bow press, i have a makeshift draw board, a paper tuning stand, its almost like i've become a small bow shop, the other day i was at the 3D archery competition (where i always place dead last with like 50 points to the next person) and my D loop unwound so i wound up a new D loop in like 50 seconds, and i had all i needed to make a new D loop in my fanny pack, but i cant hit the damn target. I dont think i've ever shot for longer than a month without changing anything. Its like an addiction, i cant stop doing it! My friend, though, another novice, he just buys new bow instead of changing something. He already has like 10 different Junxing and Sanlida bows but i dont think he shot any of them for longer than a month.
....an inveterate fiddler! Every club needs one of those, because you can be darned sure that when something goes wrong, they will have exactly what is needed to fix it! You have three bows - the solution is to leave one alone and when you get itchy fingers head for either of the others!
I hear you there. Every time I change something my partner asks me "Do you not like being happy?" Every time I change something she sees me go through what you described and tells me just leave it alone and shoot! You will be much happier.
You should love dumb people with too much money you can sell them anything .i watched a rich man at my old archery club how could not get why his scores didn't get any better after spending £5500 on bows in 2 years😂😂😂
I have to disagree on this one...
Tinkering is how you learn to set up and maintain your bow, how to build better arrows, how to use and set up different kinds of sights etc, and knowing how changes affect your shooting is also important, and can help you learn more rapidly.
Some of us are inquisitive and just need to understand how things work, as it can help us diagnose and fix issues etc (eg, by elimination if nothing else).
Tinkering and blaming your equipment are different things.
I could go on but I won't.
Keep up the great work Steve!!
Kind of agree, I'll shoot a 15yr old round wheel compound at 60# and a recurve at 50# with all sights, rest n shit, wrist and thumb release at the same time. I'll tinker with shit...
Next day I'll shoot fingers with a traditional recurve or Eastern style ambidextrous. And focus on form.
Totally different but I enjoy archery for it's variations and history as well as the tech.
Keep knocking cunts💪💪
Love from Aus
I have a mentor who has been shooting for over 26 years, has represented the country on international events, who echoes this sentiments, but with the caveat that you only earn, so to speak, the right to do this once you prove you are able to shoot consistently well. Otherwise, you are just tweaking stuff without realizing if it was either the sight or rest adjustment, for example, that you just did that messed up all of your groups.
Yeah but your missing the Point. If they are Tinkering to improve what they are the cause of ,then they WONT LEARN they just get frustrated and often blame the Tools and stop shooting ,Thats what you dont understand Novice shooter ( Im a Coach ) often stop shooting because of over tinkering , they get lost in the mess , I fix it, they tinker again, Then I fix it again and then they become embarrassed and stop shooting.
I 100% agree but I want to add another point - archery stuff is cool, I work hard so I can spend money on things I think are cool. Red anodized Beiter plunger instead of my Avalon one.. hell yes!
Hell yeah mate. Honestly most of my archery gear are chosen by their looks. Sometimes people come by and say "wow you got this *expensive gear*, so do it really make less vibration, help you shoot better scores or whatever?" and I honestly cant see much difference between like my current stabilizer and 2 other ones that a I had before. But the last one sure looks cooler
This needs to be shared around, I'm not a fan of changing anything unless I need too.
Ty ty Steven saying the truth is so important ....love the bluntness of this ..... 1st thing to tune is between the ears ...... you're so right .... the best honest info on the tube
I agree. I haven't touched my bow for months and my scores are going up because all I'm doing is concentrating on form.
The most important is to tune the spacer between the release and the riser.
Good advice! I started archery about 6 years ago but only shot occasionally. In March 2022, I decided to really pursue it. I have two mid-priced bows, both 70 lbs. and a lowly Diamond Prism. The Prism is $329 as a package and it is what I have shot the most to really develop my form because it can be adjusted from 5 to 55 pounds. I started out at 30 lbs. so that I could shoot a lot and gradually increased the draw weight as I went. In March, at 20 yards, I was doing well if I could hit a 6" circle and most of the time my "groups" were 8" to 10" so I had to start completely from scratch at 5 yards. I focused heavily on the basics and now, with that very inexpensive bow, I'm pretty disappointed with a 2" five shot group at 20 yards. Most of the time, 4 of my 5 arrows are 1" or less and a flyer usually opens it up to 1-1/2". I've had 5 shot groups where all arrows were touching. (I know that's hard on arrows, they're cheap ones, but I like it. I do ruin the occasional one.)
I'm a natural born tinkerer so I certainly have done that but it's the practice that has made me a better archer. Based on my experience, my advice now to anyone just getting into archery would be to go buy a cheap bow and learn to shoot it. Those of us of the male persuasion tend to think we need a 70 lb. bow that we can barely draw back or we're not manly. Hogwash. Get a bow that can be turned down to 30 lbs and start there. That bow won't be any more accurate at 55 lbs. than at 30 lbs and you'll be able to shoot 5 dozen arrows or more in a session easily and work on your form. Once you're shooting well with your inexpensive bow, you'll have a better idea of what you like and want. Then go out and get that dream setup that's going to set you back at least $2000.
I am an engineer. I can't help not changing things....
An engineer screwing everything up because they can't leave something alone..... yeah, that passes the smell test. 🤣
@@casanovafrankenstein8875 this is the way.
you kinda want to invest in a riser though. A good solid one that will stay and isn't cast but fully machined is probably your best purchase that'll last for years to come.
As for arrows my skylon radius is my go to training arrow, and my indoor is a brux.
Outdoor i'll be hitting up Pandarus for a couple of dozen icepoints.
My riser isn't cast. It's carbon.
I like the look of it and I love the wooden grip.
If you like it, you'll shoot better with it.
I'm 68 and have been shooting barebow for over a year. I've been trying to change from an instinctive snap shooter to an archer that aims and is consistent. Despite shooting with very expensive gear my groups were horrendous and could cover a 122 target. It's taking me months to get those groups on target and arrows touching. So yes form is everything At least I know if something goes wrong it's down to me and not the equipment
That should have read a 1.22 target!!!
Agree, like you always say, practice, practice, practice!
Totally, I’ve been shooting 17 years. I usually have a bow for maybe 4 years ish. Once set up hardly touch it. Every few months may get a new piece of kit. Always tempted by new kit obviously but know may not make the slightest bit of difference.
I’m at a point where very small changes may make a difference, or not. But rarely make them.
However I had really bad target panic at one point, so went back to basics. Back tension evolution release, blank boss only shooting for 12 months. But the difference it made was massive then started winning tournaments, ranked high at UK Masters and UK Championships and shot at Vegas (didn’t do great at 886 though)
It’s ALL about you and how you shoot. I see guys at the club always fiddling, also not understanding how their form is affecting the shot. Throwing arrows down without really thinking.
Yup, ive found myself before hunting season shooting bareshaft to make sure all is good, only to panic and chase problems. i have the bow tuned with high f.o.c arrows i build months before the season, i have learned not go back and check anymore after that. its almost always the shooter. when im hanging from a tree, heart rate up, shooting a target that moves though holes in the brush, form goes out the window. as long as my bow and arrow setup shoot straight, i have learned....leave it alone!
I agree with the sentiment. There's a market for content about tuning and tweaking hardware and accessories and I know it really attracts a lot of views, but the harsh truth is novices and beginners are better served having their bow initially aligned and setup by a skilled pro shop technician and learn to shot well using that and learn the theory and how it all works little by little so by the time they can actually tell when their lack of accuracy is caused by equipment tuning, they'll actually know what to tweak and by how much.
I have to have the bow set up as I use recurves and longbows in the hunting style off the arrow rest shelf but there are things one can be doing like switching arrows or switching up the feathers/shelf style vanes on the arrow, switching the FOC on arrows, and last the brace height changing that within the manufacture recommendation of best or nocking, under arrow/above arrow. I say once you find the arrow that fits, the weight forward that works for the arrow, and then on string side brace height/nocking point you like then keep it and stop fixing things that do not need fixing.
Almost forgot, if hunting try to find the broadheads at the wight you want to use same as broadhead for hunting game both big game and the small game head be it small mini broadhead or blunts for small game. Now I mean same weight as the field tip, or no more then 5 grain difference like 125 field and 130 grain broadhead/small game blunt as this will help keep the arrow flying the same and I know some lower quality/cheaper Broadheads have a small 1--2 grain difference from the field tip even if the field tip is from a cheaper brand.
Shooting thousands of arrows really seems to help with targeting. A good warm up helps too.
I love your philosophy and how you live it, Steven. Please never change...you're inspirational to me
Oops yeah that's me. My peep kept turning so I put "tubing" to the peep,...then I changed my hand grip,.. "and" adjusted my cable bus bar,...all in the "SAME" shoot 😂. Oops 🏹🤠👍
Generally great info. Few caveats though.. basic centreshot, level nock travel, correct spine, peep height etc. are basically all you need to print good groups with field points- Leave your bow alone and focus on your form BUT…. The same can’t be said once you introduce fixed blade broadheads ... unless the bow is adequately tuned with respect to cam adjustments etc. even a hooter shooter won’t put them in one hole on the target alongside your field points.
Than not Tinkering IS IT , its called tuning Broadheads . FFS
I tune my bow and leave it alone.
If its not broken, don't fix it.
Interestingly. I still shoot considerably higher scores with my PSE StingerX that I do with my other 'good' bow.
This is surprising advice as a shop owner. You're fortunate that people being what they are won't take it. Still great advice.
That's the thing that makes him so trustworthy.
I'm definitely guilty. Although I'm not blaming my equipment, I just want to make my bow feel exactly like I want it to, and I end too adjust too much too often, without giving myself time to adjust my technique to it. I tend to want to see immediate results, and it's not great for me.
Excellent video, sound advice. Thanks!
I’m new to archery. My wife blames Stevens reviews for my Archery addiction and once my 15th compound bow arrives she may be right. Lol. Anyway, once I set up a bow I tend to leave it alone. If I can shoot decent groups I’m happy.
Bro I had the same problem but I find I keep the best ones I like, you can really only shoot one at once I had 24 compounds sold like 8 still got like 16 gonna keep 8 of them and will probably buy another one but I still pull out my evl 34 because I'm confident with that bow but I've learned not to play with stuff to much but this is a better addiction than I had 15 years ago.
No such thing as an archery addiction.
Even a thousand compounds is perfectly rational.
@@NPC-fl3gq that’s all I needed to here. Looks like Steven will another order heading his way shortly. Lol
@@NPC-fl3gq the perfect response
Fully agree. Once I have set up a bow, I try to master it, like it is. My "problem" is, I have to many bows. All are “traditional”. It makes so much fun, to shoot today a HH Bow from Craig Eiken and next day a Black Widow and then the Oneida, not for fishing, and the Hoyt Satori should be shoot also, and the Bears … and, and. Man, life is too short to shoot all time long the same bow and it is definitely too short, to spend too much time for tuning the one percent of the whole. My opinion. Happy shooting our bows 😂.
I don't touch a thing. Once it's all set up correctly that's it. I work on form and then get in the reps. I started in 2017 and I'm one of the better archers at the place where I shoot and it's the same wherever I go, I'm generally one of the better shooters. It's all about reps.
Lol, recently I asked Stephen to do a video on different manufacturers' bows' adjustments.
When I had a compound, I felt if I couldn't get consistent good tears in paper, then it didn't matter how consistent I was and that shooting was pointless. I got frustrated and wanted to switch to recurve.
I am considering a recurve bow. My draw length with fingers is 29 1/2 so my question is how many lbs. does a recurve increase every inch past 28"
Thank you so much
If I can but 3 fixed blade broadheads in 3" circle at 70 yards it good to go as long as it will do that and I have 3 that have done that with out changeing anything for the last 7 years
Hello . See your video have give me passion i v buy old Bowtech Guardian . I like your job
I notice this every time I go to archery , that's why I shoot traditional I might try different arrows from wood to carbon that's it for me.
Only thing that I really played with is weighs to make the bow really sit steady and level in my hand
Agree .own bowtech shoots great NO adjustments from factory. Practice Practice Practice
Best thing I've been doing lately is asking the club coach to come watch my shot for an end or 2 then give me some tips on what to work on.
Are you going to review the Elite Verdict at all, no reviews out there for that and would love to see an honest review before I decide to buy one!
I used to love shooting against Archers who constantly tinker with their Bows.
😂😂
Totally agreed, it's 100% comes from the archer but one thing I would like to add more is documenting while you tinker your bow so you can always go back. I know it takes time (alot), it took me 5 months to finally leave my bow alone (LOL, it was rough on my bow, im sorry bow), but it will be well worth. Change minor thing, dont feel good or lower score, go back, repeat until done and once it's done, please leave the bow alone. Also if you dont know where to start, now there are alot of resource to check out from beginner friendly to advance stuffs (NUsensei, TripleTrouble, Jake Kaminski) and of course this channel
I never had to fiddle with my older bows because they didn’t have so much gadgetry ! They wouldn’t make it adjustable if it wasn’t meant to be adjusted !
Just found out that, although I have been a long time customer, you won't accept a new pair of limbs to send to me, because you couldn't supply the bow last year, despite it being listed, therefore I needed to buy the bow from England
Needles to say, you just lost another customer, and this is the last video of yours that I will watch, as I will now unsubscribe. Thanks for such a wonderful business attitude. By the way, that hole on the side of bows is called a BERGER HOLE. 40 years of shooting bows and decades of selling them, and you never learnt that. Sad, really sad.
Mate... I learnt years ago in retail...they won't listen...just sell them the stuff.👍
Dude your literally talking to me. Lol nice comment btw
LOL I've seen this down on the shooting range where people are 'chasing shots around' with scope adjustments instead of leaving it the heck alone.
some people go to the gym everyday, I shoot my bow everyday. My range is literally 5 minutes away. What I’ve noticed is new people and some archers that have been at it for a while fiddle with their bows, arrow weights, “FOC”, sights, etc…. So they don’t have to shoot. I call it their crutch, so they always have an excuse why they miss the spot. Period.
Shoot the bow. Period
Listen to this man
If I show up to an archery competition with a crossbow will they send me home?
...to the audience seat , may be?
Even a barebow is your fault if you miss. Der
Sorry, form and consistency is it.
Lol never be tinkering, NBT😁
Couldnt agree more 💯
I love your content overall, and I think your heart is in the right place, but maybe you had a rough stretch in the shop where some novices really messed up their tune. People tend to learn from their mistakes. I know I do. As wonderful as that Elite bow is, how many people will truly appreciate it if they don't try new things to find out what doesn't work? Following your channel for as long as I have, I think you will reflect on the message in this particular video, and either come out with a new video to tone down some of the harsh, uncompromising statements in this post, or remove it completely.
No, he's right. Until you have a solid shooting technique dialied in and a working knowledge of the theory behind archery, you won't even be able to tell if your tweaking improved or worsened your shot. You just aren't experienced enough yet.
Not to mention properly tuning most bows require investing in additional hardware and tools that are simply a poor use of a novice's time and money until they know how to shoot properly.
IT IS YOUR FAULT! Stop blaming your equipment. We all do it but it is time to accept it.
I agree %100. We have a fella in the US that is trying to coin an always be tinkering phrase or something like that. Don’t agree with it. Work on form and try to find consistency.
Hahah... It's as if you could read my coach's mind. he was getting so annoyed I would changed something pretty much everytime he saw me.
yeap, just like golf, you gotta hit a lot of balls
As with any sport, the human body is the most important part of the result.
Couldn't agree more
You own a shop, you've been shooting for 40 years, but you don't know how to set your limb alignment, set an even tiller, tie on nocking points at a measurable height, set your center-shot etc...? Basic setup stuff? Tuning would be so much quicker and easier if you started with that simple baseline.
I keep seeing Americans making videos like "CAN I SHOOT AMAZON'S CHEAPEST BOW!?!?" or "WILL A $200 BOW KILL A DEER" and they're driving me insane...and I'm new! Sure gear is exciting and interesting and I can understanding the American hunting set up is different to Australia, we can hunt any time whereas they have a season to hunt so you can see why people start looking for every little edge they can get to get that Deer or whatever.
But my point is... people can do amazing things with just a piece of wood, some plant fibre, a stick and some feathers. It's bizarre to me how one of the oldest weapons humans used, now has so much research and technology thrown at it (even modern trad bows) and people seem to think you can't shoot anything if you don't have x y or z.... or are surprised when they, an expert archer, easily shoot an animal with a $200 compound that even 10 gears ago would've been a flagship quality bow
Look i've only been shooting for 6 months in high school and 2024 (it's the beginning of March) BUT I shoot 50 arrows minimum a day and put all my effort into form. I've already been able to nail some Tilapia with a Topoint recurve and $30 Ebay arrows
Well said sir.
Did you say sumpin?
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The worst thing is compound bow shooting has a gigantic mountain of information you need to know. On top of that you have everyone else telling you what you should or shouldn't do. What that does is confuse new archers. They don't know if it them or the bow in the end because of all that information overload. I was one of those new archers that thought a new sight or better release would help me or that my bow was not tuned right. I nearly gave the sport away because everything was confusing. Eventually I realised I was having more fun just shooting my bow how it was and eventually my shooting improved drastically. Now I buy a bow and get it set up professionally and shoot how it is without touching anything. Btw I recently bought a bow from your shop. I asked that it be set at a 26 inch draw and 55 pounds. When the bow came to me and I took it to my local shop that I've used the last 15 years, it was found the bow was instead set to 52 pounds and a 26.5 inch draw. I'm not sure who in the shop set it up but if that's a normal thing, no wonder new archers are having trouble with their setup.
One thing I noticed personally is that having done this sport for 9 years now when I first started alot of videos online for newbies make people think they need to do all these adjustments. For example paper tuning. Everywhere online makes you think you need to do it to shoot well. Looking back the reality is it made no difference for me.
My eyes are my problem
Its the pilot not the plane. Perfect practice makes perfect.
As a former pilot let me tell you... There's a hell of a lot of work done behind the scenes before a pilot even considers starting an aircraft.
Whoever coined that phrase obviously wasn't a pilot :)
@@NPC-fl3gq its the archer not the bow. Steve is just saying dont pretend that your bow is the reason your not good. Practice with purpose. Make results driven changes. Its a topgun reference anyway. Go watch a movie sometime. Dont think just do.
Oh my god, this is me. I'm already almost 3 years down the road of shooting bows, i already have 3 bows, but i cant shoot at all. I literally broke all the arrows for my recurve because i miss even the arrow stop and arrows break. But i'm constantly twisting the yokes, changing the serving, changing the cable guard, changing the arrow rest, changing the sight, cutting arrows, changing the vanes, adding weight to arrows, removing weight from arrows, changing the draw weight, changing the draw length, i bought a semi-makeshift bow press, i have a makeshift draw board, a paper tuning stand, its almost like i've become a small bow shop, the other day i was at the 3D archery competition (where i always place dead last with like 50 points to the next person) and my D loop unwound so i wound up a new D loop in like 50 seconds, and i had all i needed to make a new D loop in my fanny pack, but i cant hit the damn target. I dont think i've ever shot for longer than a month without changing anything. Its like an addiction, i cant stop doing it! My friend, though, another novice, he just buys new bow instead of changing something. He already has like 10 different Junxing and Sanlida bows but i dont think he shot any of them for longer than a month.
....an inveterate fiddler! Every club needs one of those, because you can be darned sure that when something goes wrong, they will have exactly what is needed to fix it! You have three bows - the solution is to leave one alone and when you get itchy fingers head for either of the others!
I hear you there. Every time I change something my partner asks me "Do you not like being happy?" Every time I change something she sees me go through what you described and tells me just leave it alone and shoot! You will be much happier.
You should love dumb people with too much money you can sell them anything .i watched a rich man at my old archery club how could not get why his scores didn't get any better after spending £5500 on bows in 2 years😂😂😂
Man who sells archery equipment recommends you just buy new stuff :D