Best Budget Tower Speakers Under $250!
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2019
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the presentation on this channel is so clean and for a newbie in this audiophile stuff this is very informative and pretty easy to comprehend. you got my sub sir
Oh man. Huge compliment! 🙏
I’ve had my fs52’s for a while now and while I’ve always thought they were excellent, but I recently paired them with a Marantz 2230 and the combination is just as you’ve described! An amazing combo. Keep up the amazing work.
That makes me happy!
Really appreciate these kind of videos Joe. There's always a soft spot in my heart for great budget speakers that really deliver!
Me too. They make me happy because I know that if people knew how affordable really good audio is, they could easily have a great setup without sweating the $.
@@joentell that's the message I try to spread. All my friends see my setup and think they all my mom goes to it, when that isn't the case. You can find great deals on great speakers! From the moment I met my now, best friend, he was always intrigued with my audio setups, eventually get wanted to get his own so for his birthday me and my dad gave him these old pioneers with jbl subs and an onkyo AV. These days he's rocking all Klipsch reference and a pl-200 Bic sub. Warms my heart I tell you.
That's awesome of you! Keep it up! 👊😎
@@joentell you too sir 👊
I appreciate your borderline frustration battling with your preferred choices with data found to price picks
Love your leaderboard, makes your review more worthwhile than all the other reviewers.
I love the fun idea of your speaker leader board and your comments as you place new speakers in their respective positions. It gives perspective to the dilemmas that we all face when choosing the best fit for sound, size, budget etc.
Polite suggestion. If you can try some Dali bookshelf/small standmount/desktop speakers.
I've been around the block a bit when it comes to speakers. The Spektor 2 and Zensor Pico certainly floated my boat when looking for a desktop (I bought the Picos). I feel that there may be a place on your leader board for one of these. Not sure if they're quite expensive in the USA though.... definitely high quality though.
Keep on keeping on my friend.
Funny you asked. I am in the process of reaching out to Dali! Glad you're enjoying the videos.
They're crazy expensive in the US, yet cheap in other places. You'd think they would have sorted it out. I'm not a fan compared to those other Danish guns, Dynaudio. On the other hand, their tweeters produce airy highs at a reasonable price outside of America
I have a pair of the Pioneer floor standing speakers along with the bookshelf speakers as surround sounds plus a Pioneer center channel and a subwoofer. This setup, though not considered super high end, hit my price point sweet spot and still sounds great. Really great to see a review of these and look at those frequency response charts.
just found your channel and its totally worth my time
Loved your review. Just ordered the FS52s. First non bookshelf speakers for me. I also subscribed. Keep up the great reviews.
Where did you order dude? These are discontinued. Been looking for years online.
Damn man. I like your channel, amazing quality and I feel like you're an Audiophile for the everyday person. A gem in the Audiophile world IMO. Btw you sold me on the Andrew Jones Pioneer Towers. I have a Pioneer SX-10AE (great amp for the money) paired with Dayton T652's right now. Plan is to move the Daytons to my desk 😆 and put the Pioneers in the living room with the SX-10AE!
Thank you for the kind words. Keep me up to date with your setup!
If you get a chance to find a sale on the pioneer elite sx-n30 class A/B 85watt receiver grab it it's a warm gem!! I have reviews about it in my channel , no harm Joe you do an awesome job !
Really like your channel Joe.Always look forward to another video. I too have the FS-52's and matching centre with the BS22's at the back plus a BIC America 12" sub.Happy with the sound.Best I've ever had.Oh and just got a pair of the Pioneer Atmos add-ons.Lookin forward to that.Keep at it Joe!
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying the content.
I've been waiting for this review of the Dayton MK442T's. Thanks for this shootout.
For sure! I hope you find it informative. UA-cam is still processing the video, but it should be 4K soon.
4 ohm, that is kind of nuts...
I know, I was surprised when I saw the spec. Fortunately, most class D amps will welcome 4 ohms no problem!
The old receivers loved 8ohm or more loads these pioneers are an 11 ohm load,you could run two pairs with a class d.I love 4 ohm speakers,both in car and home,they seem more dynamic to me,I have the 442 center channels used as mtm pair on my bed,great speakers,the 4 inch drivers are amazing.
Great work on the video! Great job on delivering pertinent, and useful product information. Really great video for people considering buying either pairs of these speakers.
Thank you!🙏
You should do an episode on taking measurements. Your measurements of the FS52s are the best I've seen, as far them looking essentially flat from about 60hz. It is notable that they are a 2.5 way - had they been a 3-way with a chambered midrange / tweeter maybe they would be legendary. You can spend thousands of dollars and still be using a 2-way design. The Dayton's are a good concept, but frankly I'd rather have a single high quality 6 or 8 inch driver doing bass duty. I'm curious as to how you did the measurements anyway - grills on, grills off, distance etc. It looks like a good amount of smoothing. When I get a chance, I plan to measure mine in-room and outside.
One thing testers rarely do is test for "maximum SPL". It would be interesting to see that. As most speakers seem capable of in excess of 100 dB, it would be interesting to see how many can reliably hit high levels without exploding or compressing/sounding like crap. Another website in particular tested the Elac UB5s and found they topped out around 95 dB or so before sounded like doo doo. I'd like to see that verified by someone else.
That is because, as you know, the farther away you sit, the more power you have to apply to the speaker to hit the same level of "comfortable" listening (70db-80db + peaks for me). Once your're sitting 10 feet away and watching a movie, it is quite possible you'll be pushing smaller, more affordable speakers to their limits. Even if they can take the power, distortion might be creeping up. Of course, so far, I've pushed the FS52s pretty hard with blockbuster movies and they've enjoyed every minute of it.
I own 5 FS52s and use them in a 5.1 or sometimes a 5.2 setup. If you want a treat, have 3 identical towers for the LCR - very hard to go back to a center channel after that. Even carefully integrated, the pioneer center channel is just not as good as the tower or the BS22s, IMO (But I am using it at the moment anyway). To be honest, I've tended to like the presentation of the lowely BS22s better - they just seem a tad punchier to my ears, even with the flatter treble and somewhat weaker bass. They have been a bit more consistent going room to room.
Having used the FS52 in two different rooms, I can say that for one room I was in (much more "dead"), I had them crossed over usually around 90-100hz. I could not get the bass to hit right - though no complaints from the midrange / treble. In the new room, I sit much farther away, possibly in a slightly better position. I find I like them crossed over around 70 hz. Still, the bass has not really impressed me yet - its there, but missing a little bite/definition for my tastes. Could be my placement needs tweaking. The midrange, however, is consistently gorgeous. The high end is usually detailed and pleasing, but at times I wish the boost wasn't there - just a bit of glare from that piano. Great to hear from you that they are probably better than the ELACs. Although, if the price is every low enough, I might jump on the UF5s / KEF floorstanders. Now those might be amazing. Then again, AJ did the Pioneer ELITE line as well - it would be amazing if you could review those against the UB5 / something from KEF.
I might do a how to video for measurements. I apply lots of smoothing to keep it simple for beginners. They already have said they don't know what they're looking at so I try to explain in simpler terms.
I use a calibrated mic Les than 3ft away.
I bought a pair of Polk T50 towers for my daughters room. 1” tweeters, 6” driver, 6” passive radiators. About $200. Really nice too.
The center channel comment about the Pioneer is spot on. The image build up is so strong that it is even better than a center channel. In fact as an experiment I even turned the pioneers to face the wall, and it sounds even better, much like how Dr Amar Bose did with his 901.
here is how I have them setup as I test them out.
Speakers $198/pair
Amp $99
Subwoofer $99
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Finally got to the audition part of your video when the pioneers came on it was like an acoustic curtain was lifted to expose the mid and upper Freq. content.
This is an amazing rating system you've worked out. Thank you so much.
Glad you liked it!
Love it when a speaker punches way above its weight class! Thanks for addressing that question about what tends to give Andrew Jones’s speakers that “rolled off” sound signature (not sure if that was intentional, but it was spot on towards my question last week).
Do you have any tips on how to demo speakers like a pro? For instance, is it kosher to bring your own tracks/source, and if so how should you bring it (on a phone, mp3 player, thumb drive, something else )? Are there certain tracks you always use? How do you take notes on your speakers-do you have an organized process, or is it more stream of consciousness? What do you listen for to study the top end? How about upper mids, midbass, and bass (or however you break it up)? How long do you listen to each speaker? Do you switch back and forth mid-track, or listen to several tracks on one then another? Is it a bad idea to listen to 3, 4, or 5 speakers at once?
Hi Joe, one idea going forward: How a speaker sounds in a room is a combination of how the first arrival sounds (which you're measuring) and how the room reflections sound. This is why it's useful to also measure a speaker 15 and 30 degrees off axis. A speaker that measures flat won't sound flat if the off axis response is full of significant dips unless the room is heavily treated for reflections.
I just sent back my FS52 towers and purchased some JBL studio 230 and some Home Theater Direct speaker stands. I've been very happy with the studio 230's that I purchased the 235 JBL center channel and a RSL speed woofer 10' subwoofer.
Yes, props to RSL Speedwoofer 10. I have mine set up with Elac UniFi 5s. Great together!
I really appreciate this video. I'm comparing budget towers and this was really informational. Going to listen to the Pioneers soon!
I have 2 pairs just because I love the Pioneers so much
I need another pair of speakers like I need a hole in my head, but I love bang for buck speakers that sound good, and am really intrigued by the Pioneers. I can also pick them up dirt cheap on the used market. Speaking of which, considering my basement looks like a speaker store I've always wanted to do a used speaker shootout based on current used pricing. Think Klipsch KG vs Paradigm monitors vs A/D/S/ vs BIC venturi vs Ohm Walsh as an example. I think it would be really interesting considering everyone that reviews speakers on here only reviews new speakers. There are plenty of people that can't afford to drop a grand+ on a pair of new ones, but still want a nice set-up. There are some great deals in the used speaker market. Keep up the great work man. It's really helpful in these crazy times. Keep ur chin up everyone
Hi. I am wondering if I can change the surround speakers for other two towers. Do you think this is a good idea?
Hi Joe. Which one is better in your opinion when it comes to sound? Pioneer sp fs52 vs Elac b6.2
I 've had the FS52's for a while as a part of my 5.1.2 Atmos setup. I have never considered them for listening to music, but after this review I will give them a serious try. I'm a headphones guy and I don't know much about speakers, but I sure do enjoy my Sony SSCS5's
Yeah, let me know.
I love this speaker so much that even after buying my ls50 speakers, I still listen to this pair from time to time..its not the bass/base, treble/highs nor the mids that impresses me the first time i heard this but the "IMAGING"! Its a big wow! I tried comparing this speaker in the store with their floor standers like klipsch, kef, and soundstage,,, its the imaging that separates this speaker from the others...superb!
Exactly!
Very nice vid man and the leaderboard format is cool af. Well done sir ;) I'm at the stage now where I have good quality sound everywhere (and haven't spent a fortune). In my lounge, office, car, bedroom, headphones, etc so every now and then I put on a crappy pair of headphones just so I don't take it all for granted. Haha
Lol! Nice using the crappy headphones to remind yourself how good the other stuff is.
@@joentell That's it man. While I've got you I would love to find a program or solution to synchronize music playing on all the computers around the house. I've tried Logitech Media Server and Squeezeplay and they're ok but a bit laggy. Obviously there's Sonos and other hardware solutions but just thought it might be a good idea for a video to find a good free/cheap software solution. Cheers Joe, keep up the great vids
Hi Joe, great review as usual. Im curious are your sound bites cd quality?
Thanks and take care
No, they aren't since it's over UA-cam. It's just for testing tonal differences between speakers and the source. I have higher quality binaural recordings on my Patreon. Http://www.patreon.com/joentell
6:17 'Very tricky stuff going on here... and I love it'
I like the pioneer AV amp signature also because it's tone separation and detail are rounded and natural, but not harsh when separated like a lot of amps out there. Most amps have too many sounds overlapped or when separated too harsh.
I actually own these speakers and have thought about posting a video them and budget home theater. These speakers along with the CP22 (center), BS22 (surround) and the SP-T22A_LR (upfiring atmos) make for a badass 5.1.4 system. I suggest you buy the best subwoofer you can to accompany them because the 52s are bass shy for serious movie or music listening. I have a Klipsch R-112SW I bought for $219 connected and it blends well. So once again, for a total of $619 you have a badass system. I got stuff flying around my man cave in a clear, atmospheric, real-life action way. No distortion or cheap soundness. Adam Jones must have been bored and challenged at the same time to create this speakers. They punch well above their weight with its tone and music balance. I have heard other speakers that cost way more than they do and have not gone away thinking I'm missing something. Now for the downside. Are these speakers as good as my Klipsch RP 280s...or my Klipsch 7.2 setup?...no. Its sensitivity is about the mid 80s. Therefore, to get the best sound you need an amp of at least 100-150 watts. I power my setup with a Denon X4400H. If you match these speakers with non-Pioneers they may not sound as loud. This is why I feel you should match them with the speakers above. Separate those speakers may sound good...together it's a sonic symphony. Seriously. I'm impressed with the whole setup. Eighty percent of listeners would be satisfied with the sound coming out of it. Another thing, to get the most out of these speakers one should use 14 gauge wire of good quality. Sense they're 6 ohm and harder to drive, you want to lessen the strain on your amp to get all the info to the speakers without overload during high action scenes. It really makes a difference.
Those Daytons are the perfect desktop towers. They fit in small spaces, and are basically a bookshelf on a bass-enhancing stand, so there's no drivers blocked by the desk or near-field phase issues between a high tweeter and woofers near the floor. That computer is next-level baller now.
See I like the way you think! "Bass-enhancing stands!"
Great review Joe, I really like your speaker reviews!
I'm starting to love these dayton audio brand but...
I'm thinking about making my front towers and center on my own, bigger and heavier with Dayton Audio drivers, for surrounds I think i can use the ones of this review (the bookshelf ones)...
...any suggestions?
I'm open to ideas, with a 3 way floorstanding design.
I'd like to know which drivers don you recommend and if is there any already made crossover that I can buy, it'll be better.
Thanks guys!
Keep putting out this quality content Joe. Your channel deserves to & will keep growing.
I owned the FS52's briefly and enjoyed them. I really appreciate your comments on which speakers create a better center image because many people like myself use some phantom center. I ended up with Monitor Audio towers but wouldn't hesitate to use FS52's for the price. I forsee & look forward to the day when Monitor Audio bronze series makes its way into your channel.
Thank you! I will try to reach out to them.
Thanks for the video Joe. Its again an amazing review.
What budget sub would you recommend to pair with the pioneers?
An honest assessment of these speakers. It shows you're not being paid or gifted something to give a favorable review.
Viewers' trust is the most valuable thing I have.
Just watched this review on my fs52s! Lol great comparison. I personally like the brighter characteristic of the pioneer over the dayton and fully agree that the bass extension with the pioneers is much more than enough. Sometimes i find myself turning off my subwoofer.
Hi Joe, your analysis, videos and comparisons are great. It was great to hear about the fs52s from you. Can you please review and share your thoughts about tannoy eclipse 3. They are pretty much in the same price bracket.
Really love your channel very nice work
I use the pioneers for my right and left channels on my 7.1 surround system and they're absolutely amazing for that. Got both speakers off craigslist for $80. At $40 a piece I really can't complain.
I totally agree with your pioneer impressions and description. I want to step up and buy a more expensive speaker but they sound so good. Not sure if the uni5 are worth the step up versus the 152’s. Love your videos Joe.
I think the Uni-Fi series is a step up and worth it.
invest in acoustic room treatment it makes a massive difference , more than changing speakers your room really messes with your speakers
Do you think a pair of the Pioneer's tower plus center speaker and both side speakers (surround) could be decently powered by the Denon AVR-1312 receiver? I read on Crutchfield that it outputs 75watts with 2 channels driven. I'm not an audiophile, I don't need insane power and I don't know much about the subject but I'm trying to do some research... It just happens that these speakers and that particular receiver are within my budget here in Peru. Great content! thank you!
Excellent channel Joe I am a fan already after 2 videos keep it this good, and i have a question. Have you tried "proficient speakers"? I have this weird sense that those are somewhat underrated and prices are all over the place. I believe they focus on in-ceiling but they have some interesting bookshelf speakers like NFM6 and NFM8 also a CC550 center channel. I do not believe they are that popular to be in your channel but they might give some fun to test. Thank you!
Sir pls can you suggest me, with whom to pair these towers with, Yamaha R-N303 or Marantz PM5005.
What would be the best combination of 5.1 set up with these Pioneer FS52 tower speakers?Center,subwoofer and rear channels?
Can you do a video on tweeter replacement for the Pioneer fs-52? Some have had to replace due to hardware failure , I would be curious if there's a better tweeter to use regardless??
Hey Joe! Great video. I have limited choices for a center speaker because of the small console cabinet (only 15.5 inches wide).
What would you suggest I do. Two or three SVS primes for LR or LCR...... or two of these pioneer towers without a center channel?
SVS prime bookshelf’s I meant to say.
Fair evaluation. You have a great way of appraising audio gear.
joe i really really appreciate the one and only Speaker Leader Board bonanza
Hey Joe I have the whole pioneer andrew jones line the towers center and bookshelves they sound great but I'm wanting to upgrade I see you have the prime bookshelves ahead of them so would a good upgrade be the prime towers center and bookshelves please let me know what you think
I have the whole Andrew jones line towers bookshelf center and atmos modules thinking about going to a klipsch 5.0 system rp-8000f rp-600c amd rp-600m are the klipsch sound really worth the upgrade
Great comparison video, technical data and sound demo. For me the Pioneers were more detailed, open although a bit lighter on bass. Impressive form the money 👍
I was originally waiting for Fluance's Ai60s (thanks for the review btw) to use on my PC for games, movies/anime, and music when not using my beyerdynamic 990s. After watching this video and reading reviews however, I think I'm gonna go with these FS52s instead and pair them with a SMSL AD18 (a sub would likely be overkill in this current room, so I'll leave that for another day). Will need to elevate them a tad bit but I got two things that will do this perfectly. Thanks for bringing these to my attention and helping me choose, Joe!
My pleasure!
I'm feeling like I need to buy a pair of these Pioneers. I have a pair of Canton Karat 300 that I love and they retailed for near $1000 in 1986. If the Pioneers are anywhere close to that in terms of sound quality it's an incredible accomplishment.
I owned these Pioneer speakers for 2 years and I would say you are right on the money.
People feel pioneer has rounded off high end because of the grill. It truly muffles the high end. It is best to listen to it removed or moddd to cut a hole in the plastic webbing behind the cloth to let the sound pass through without any restrictions.
Here is how I did it
Before:
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After:
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Good point! I'm gonna pin this
How did you cut it out?
@@jackr57 - pliers.from my toolbox.
Bro, I have these 2 FS52, 4 BS22, and CS22. They sound so sweet, imaging is unreal, I found that out quick.
I wish people could experience it. It helps to have people who have these speakers share their experience.
I'm really enjoying your vids and information. I'd be curious to see what you think of the Yamaha NS-F150 if ever given the chance.
been an audiophile since I was 14 years old that was back in 89!! Lol so amazed and happy how technology has come so far ! I bet I've owned at least 50 sets of speakers ! journey has been so awesome wish I would have somehow reviewed them all on video !!! i must say your the reason I bought the fs52 dam amazing for the price ! In my journey the JBL Lx-500 and klispch kg 2.5 best bookshelf I've heard so far towers and floor models would be Pioneer HPM-100 ,150, klispchhorn and the elac f6 ohhh my ! lol keep up the great job Joe trust your ears over microphone science lol
Glad you're enjoying the videos. Did you see my latest video? I use mic measurements AND my ears. They compliment each other.
Joe N Tell Lol no I haven't watched it I'll go check out now ,and again thanks a lot for what you do for us all
And what 10“ subwoofer is recommended to pair with these. I have a decent size room so 10” sub is perfect. Idk if I should go for a pioneer sub or not
Spend a little more and go with a quality 12 if you have a big room. Ported gets louder but sealed with a lot of power is my choice. Look into a good plate amp and driver,and build or buy the right sized enclosure,I use 1.25 mdf,hid it behind a sofa,set it low,these speakers go down to 60,start there,jmo
I have the FS-52s I absolutely love them... I have the whole Andrew jones 5.1 set up..
As Joe says they are so great with imaging... live music for example Alice In Chains unplugged blew my mind, voices and the sound of guitar strings are so detailed its fantastic... love them. As far as the bass it’s good for most things, but that’s a non issue pairing them with a decent sub is going to take care of any of the bass short comings... as Joes says these speakers are smooth! Thanks for the vid Joe!
It's always helpful when someone who owns them and has listened to them a lot comes to a similar conclusion.
Joe N Tell I’ll also mention I’ve been looking for a really nice affordable 5.1 set up for a while... I had the Logitech Z-680s(not sure if you’re familiar they are better than most home theaters in a box still imo) for about 17 maybe 18 years they were good for what they are, plenty loud with tons of bass for movies and games but were so so for music. About 7 years back a good buddy of mine spent about 10 grand on the 5.1 B&W CM9s... I watched Tron at his house, it blew my mind... I came home and popped in Tron on my Z-680s set up and it wasn’t even close, not that I was expecting that but wow gone were those mids, and high highs. I’ve always admired really good hifi, but until recently I had other finacial priorities. After watching countless reviews and recommendations from people like you and Steve Guttenburg, I thought the pioneer Andrew jones line is exactly what I’m chasing without breaking the bank. Boy were you guys right, As you said the mids are incredible. I’m not going to say they are as good as the CM9s but we’re talking pretty damn close to the same experience I felt when I heard the CM9s. I’ve found myself not only enjoying movies much more, but also listening to tons of different artist on Apple Music, for example steely dan and Pink Floyd have a whole new dimension and dynamic to them. I’ve been missing so much... anyone else reading this and are thinking about buying the FS-52s do yourself a favor stop waiting and just get them!
@@Paranimal86 Thanks for the input. I am currently looking at setting up a good surround with my only experience in the past being the Z-680's. Those also fit the budget for me at the time as I agree did well for sound for what they were. I want to eventually get a good atmos 7.2.4 and I think I might start with these speakers and do the Andrew Jones 5.1.
If you like Andrew Jones then you may love KEF speakers.
My avr is 8ohms my new speakers are 4ohms. Didn't check before I bought, so I changed my avr to 6ohms. Do you reckon that's ok???
Hello Joe.. you have a good content videos. just had a question do kilpsh and Polk do not qualify in your list.. I am just lost between Pioneer s52 and Polk t50.
I don't like the lower end Polk stuff, but I know other people do. I like their higher end speakers though. I have never reviewed Klipsch, but I'm willing to. I'm open to trying all speakers.
Good choice on the Marantz. Marantz has been notoriously underrated in the power section , that 2220 is putting out more than 20 watts. Nice review, keep up the good work.
i was considering the Pioneer's they were out of stock. i have not heard them in person. i went with Polk T50's and i have to say they are awesome. they have that center stage that sounds like you are using a center channel.
I was surprised to see these speakers featured again in videos. I bought these last year and this has been the best purchase for home audio for a budget. I got the towers, center, and bookshelf for a 5 channel system for $299. I found a bass-x 12 for $80 locally and found myself with a full setup because we had a left over VSX 70 from another home. Audio is incredible! Movies are very realistic and I couldn’t be happier for the price.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing the info!
Joe N Tell thanks for replying! Love the high quality content you produce and it is great to see this creativity with audio in mind!
Hi, I hope you can help me, I have the Pioneer FS52, I want to add the dayton sub-1000, would be a difference or not?
0:14 yep, I agree completely! I have Micca MB42Xs and MB42X-c for my home theater, last week I was staring at all that empty space where the speaker stand was and thinking how much more sense a tower speaker would make. Also I didn't seem to like the MB42X in my living room as much as I did on my PC desk (probably due to the 4 inch woofer). A pioneer SP-C22 center showed up on Craigslist for a screaming deal and I pounced. Pioneer FS52's were also ordered over the weekend. So perfect timing on this video! :)
edit: Oh, I also felt like at high volumes my ears were getting a bit fatigued by the Miccas in the big room so I'm hoping the pioneer will help with that. Will be returning the MB42X-c and moving the MB42Xs back to my PC desk were they have served me well for 2.5 years!
The original micca speakers are better for my vinyl setup than the Polk T15
I have full set Andrew Jones on my 7.1 denon system with 4 towers Fs-52 , center, sub and enabled Dolby atmos, sounds amazing for the price.
What was the price?
Hii sir i m no experience can u plz help me should i use a amp or avr or stereo reciver suggest me a budget best
My old Nakimichi died about the same time as my first of 3 kids came. I have a Hsu powered subwoofer and besides that starting from scratch. Looking at this:
Pioneer SP-FS52 $139 just dropped at Amazon
S.M.S.L AD18 $144
I saw you reviewed both. My playroom is 12x20 with a fireplace, piano, drums and bookshelves on the 12 foot walls. Will this sound Okay?
I have the FS52's and I really like them. I have them paired with an Onkyo receiver, the matching Pioneer center channel, two Polk Audio PSW10 subwoofers and some generic in ceiling surrounds. This setup is really great and I think for movies and video games it's just about perfect. I can't imagine needing more in those scenarios. I don't have a bunch of audiophile friends, but this system absolutely destroys any sound bars etc. that I've ever heard at other friends places. I think the audio can compete with a movie theater audio experience. For music, I think they're great, but not end-game for me. I'm reluctant to upgrade them, though, because it's hard to personally test this stuff out and I still really like them. This is an unfair comparison, but listening to music on my HiFiMan Sundaras is much better than from these speakers. Overall, I love your video and I completely agree that these speakers rock. If you pair them with a receiver, center channel, sub, and some surrounds you're looking at around $1,000 for a fully capable sound system for music and a near end-game home theater experience for most users, way better than any soundbar at any price, for example. Thanks for all your hard work!
hey man! Me again! haha.... I am waiting for my fs52's to get to Chile (south america)and I am still in doubt to whitch amplifier to buy. I am using just those two speakers at an small living room. I aint no audiophile but want to enjoy my music.
I like the smsl ad18 because it provides the things I need the most, USB, s/pdif and good bluetooth. One question, U say u used it with a 20w/c amplifier (obviously a nice quality brand amplifier...) but, anyway, a 20w amp and for what you say, I feel like that is the experience I want. Does this smsl ad18 provides the same kind of power or does those 80w (little less in this case because fs52's are 6ohm)are kind of bogus numbers?
thanks again! Love your videos man, really down to earth and clear info, keep them commin!
Cool review, Thanks, mine should be here tomorrow!
😲 let me know how you like it!
Sir
Please help me.
Which one is best in sound i allready have a sub.
1 pioneer sp Fs52 .
2 yamaha ns f160.
hi Joe, i have the pioneer speakers and my center is a SVS prime speaker, svs pb 1000 sub, and a denon avrx 1500h. i somehow feel its not loud. what can i do to make it loud. i have to crank it up to 70 or more to get loud sound.
got the pioneers for 120 canadian dollars each. it cost me 240 for both and i couldnt be happier. on my desk i have KEF Q15 old speakers but the sound amazng
Decent review.... I really want to try towers see if I prefer them to bookshelves, I have a smaller room so my fluance sx6 fill the room really well
Great video Joe. Looking to get these Pioneer Tower speakers. What is a good budget amplifier to push these speakers? I thought about getting the Edifier R1280DB but after looking at the price for the stands it was going to add up to almost the cost of the towers. The big difference is that the tower will need an amplifier as apposed to the bookshelf speaker.
They'll work with pretty much any amp. It just depends if you want a big or small form factor.
@@joentell ok thanks.
You should have at least 10.000.000 subs mate...underated for sure
Dayton sounds warm and musical
Thank you, for reviewing speakers that most can afford.
Great video Joe. I like how you use charts to explain things. I never could have known just by listening.
Thanks Thomas!
Psychoacoustics can play tricks on our ears. I agree we should trust our ears to tell us what we like, but I don't think we should trust our ears to tell us what a component in a system is or isn't doing.
Great video. To me the Pioneers sounded way brighter. They just went up by 30% in my country dammit!
Hey,that sounds like a jab!...wink.
Jab? No. I said what I said because it's "common knowledge" in this hobby for people to say "trust your ears." I say yes, but just know all of our ears/brains can be fooled. It's equivalent to an optical illusion but for our auditory system.
@@joentell Just kidding. It could have been sarcasm..but just me kidding after first reading it.
I have FS52. Whats the best amplifier you guys recommend for it. I prefer powerful neutral sound. Thanks
I just made a video about Denon and Marantz receivers. A lot of people seem to like Yamaha also. My favorite amp to pair with these is my vintage Marantz 2220b. They sound awesome together.
I have the Pioneer FS52 and they are absolutely outstanding
What's something specific that you like about them compared to other speakers?
Joe N Tell They have a very nice center image and can even sound like surround sound at times. I am fairly new to audio so I am still learning all of the terms, but I feel like these are some of the best (if not the best) speakers you can get for around $200.
That's what I've experienced also!
@@joentell I have the package of these pioneer with one pair of fs52 c22 n two pairs of bs22 as side and back surround connected to marantz sr6012. They sound amazing for movies as well as music. I felt very happy when you even like them n use them as ur reference speaker.
I love them. I'm glad you like them also.
Thanks for this. I wonder if you have reviewed the newer model of the Dayton 6-1/2" 2-way bookshelf speakers. In place of the dome tweeter on the B652 speakers, these B652-Air speakers feature the company's AMT ribbon tweeter. I am hoping that, for near-field use, these will be a bit less harsh than the original dome tweeters. I expect to use these as a desktop monitor alongside a Lepai LP-A68 mini amplifier. They are so inexpensive that I can relegate them to the shop if they don't work out on the desk.
I am also kind of wondering about what these speakers might provide in an array of 4 units for each of two channels, stacked with spacers, each with its own LePai amplifier? This might help me drive a large room with decent sound levels with a sort of dipole for each channel. Any thoughts?
Stacking them might be interesting. I haven't tried the new B652 Airs
The 652-AIR crossover cap is too high @6.8uF, it would sound better with 4uF and 0.3mH coil added to the woofer
@@joentell I gave up on the *idea* of stacking them. The comb filter result in the highs would be intolerable. I'm using the 652 Airs as near-field monitors. The folded ribbon-type tweeters are quite nice.
System Audio uses 4" bass drivers all the time in various designs, even more higher end ones.
Beautiful Marantz unit there... I need to start looking for some of that old Marantz gear. The sound was always incredible.
It really is something else. It just feels nice to press the buttons, turn the knobs and to hear it click on. It's a whole experience. It sounds great too. The loudness button enhances the bass extension without it sounding muddy or fake.
@@joentell I know, that is what I miss, the knobs and buttons. Especially the tone controls... Much easier than tweaking a dozen frequencies when you remember how easy it used to be with two simple knobs. And the loudness button, they just did so many things right back then.
@@joentell I don't believe in the louds button crap, it only works on the first half rotation of vol knob, then you get punched out mids @6-7/10. I defeat the full time loudness capacitors on midget amps by unsoldering from the middle tap on vol pot
Thank you, Joe! Great video. To my ears in comparison to the Original the Pioneers sound too bright and the Daytons too dark.
I love my FS52s. I found the matching bookshelves on Facebook marketplace for $40(!) Brand new.. so I ordered the center channel and the 200w sub. Can't wait to set up my home theater.
Yes! Let me know how it turns out.
@@joentell I love it. Giving the new surround speakers a tryout today with Stop Making Sense. You can see the difference between my old Yamaha center and the pioneer in the pics here. imgur.com/a/lZrFI8U
Subwoofer has not come yet, so I'm still using the 50 watt Yamaha sub right now 😬.
Just moved in to this house so the entire HT setup right now is temporary until I get new furniture and then I can really plan it out.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
I ordered some Yamaha Ns-f51 towers for 225€ i heard very good comments and reviews about them to 98% of satisfaction overall sound and build quality and the price is extremely cheap, i don´t know if these are for sell in US, specs are good and they are powerful too, more than Onkyo´s skf4800 and Pioneer FS52´s. Maybe you can review them
Can you do the Dayton audio T652 air towers and B652 air bookshelves see were you place them?
I would love to see you do this with some krk gen ones and gen 4s or anything krk for that matter the rokit 5s ..
Hey Joe' how do you think the pioneer fs52 would doin a home theater setting.
For home theater, most AVR's have built in calibration so it will remove the speakers "sound signature" for the most part. That's ok for movies. Then when you go back to two-channel audio, you can bypass any of the EQ that it applies. So I would say it's good in both situations. If you add a good sub it will make a big difference for movies though.
This was great. What about the R820f Klipsch speakers for your next "budget" towers? They are always on sale and have great customer reviews , but no in depth reviews like you would provide. I own a pair and love them , but would love your input too.
Perhaps in the future.
Joe, can a Cambridge Audio AXR-85 receiver, drive those 6 ohm Pioneer speakers?
listening through my spkr setup the pioneer pair has a flatter freq response, the dayton pair has a clear bump in the bass region, don't like it compared with the pioneer's more even response; should have tried the pioneer pair in my living room, maybe i would have chosen them.
I own the pioneers and they are amazing. $189 for the pair and the sound is sexy. If you really want them to come alive put some power on them. I have mine on an adcom 545 and leave the sub muted on most occasions.
I'm using the mx-audio tube preamp buffer with GE tubes into the adcom with Tidal hifi from my TV as a source and everyone I demo this combo for is beyond impressed. A sweet buttery smooth sound that doesn't give a hint of fatigue and the extra power on tap brings out plenty of detail. My listening position is about 14 feet away for reference.
I think you should compare the pioneers against the fluance signature series as they are that good of a value.
I also use my FX Audio Tube buffers with the GE JAN 5654W tubes on my systems. I love how it rounds out the sound.
Do the Fluance Signature towers have the dip around 2.5k like I noticed on the Signature bookshelf speakers in my review?
@@joentell I'm not sure on the towers. I believe the dip at 2.5k is to give the illusion of more low end. With them having dual 8 inch woofers maybe not.
While everyone seems to like the bookshelf version the bag is mixed on the towers. I want to give in and buy them but sadly not enough real reviews on them to bite.
Those little tube buffers do something that seems to make things softer and smoother and the over used "warmth". Sadly in my experience it doesn't mix well with a processor in my experimentation but for 2 channel enjoyment it is nice.