Star Trek Enterprise Alternate Ending
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- So we all know that the last episode of Enterprise was rubbish. But there was one bit, one tiny bit at the end that was good for those of who love all of Trek. So in my head I kept that though I ignored the rest of the These Are the Voyages.
Decided to actually make a video of it, so tagged onto Tera Prime is this small moment. In my head, this is how the show actually ended. This fixes it.
To me Trip never died. Ill never accept that stupid ending. The whole ep was a wash. Love trip and T'Pol together.
Daehawk In the multitude of books based in this erase of the series, Trip doesn't actually die, but becomes a section 31 agent infiltrating the Romulans
That sounds pretty cool actually.
He's back to appearing Human - but he still has his "DNA boost" from the Vulcanoid treatments they gave him so he'll live to about 200 now. so he'd be still alive in Discoveries time if they pinched the plot. The nice thing is that Tpol would be only relatively speaking a little older appearing than that at age 160 she'd likely look about 50-60.
Has happened in Doctor Who they stole book plots too. I'd not mind at all for season 2 of discovery to be all about Section 31 and have Trip & T'Pol be in it.
To be fair, that was a holodeck simulation. It might not even have been what really happened had Riker not been tampering with time.
Sweet of her to comfort him.
I don't think Jolene or Connor ever got the credit they deserved as actors. Especially Jolene, who if you ever see her on an interview show is a bright and funny gal, the exact opposite of T'Pol.
She says T'Pol was a big help in becoming a better actor - to express things in a minimal way (sort of like Picard does - well not Crying he still does that stage style 90% of the time) - she wasn't especially good on Stargate though unfortunately.
Just watch her on the bloopers and gag reels!
In my opinion, the show’s biggest mistake was not flipping the actresses that play T’Pol and Hoshie. I think both actresses would have performed better in each other’s roles while also being able to play up Jolene’s natural beauty. Just my opinion.
It seems as though they went out of their way to make her look ugly, particularly with the hair. I didn't even like her until I saw her interviewed as herself.
She really knew Star Trek too, a genuine fan.
You all should read theStar Trek Enterprise books written after the series. Trip did not really die. It was a ploy so that he could go and spy in Romulan Empire because they are designing a warp 7 engine. He eventually marries T Pol and they have two kids.
Ty for fixing my day..
Thank you I needed to hear that.
Aw man this series ending. Original ending, but your ending breaks my heart. What are the books called any links?
Jodie Wong Look up on amazon.com. They are the Star Trek Enterprise books. There are 9 books so far. The first one is titled The good that men do.
I did. The books were published by WARNER which owns the rights to ENTERPRISE and hired writers to continue the stories in a Romulan War miniseries.
The stories relate the discovery by famed author Jake Sisko and Captain Nog that the recently declassified information Nog had ferengied showed that the early history of the Federation was a lie to hide the existence of Section 31, the Vulcan-Romulan connection, and the cause of the Romulan War because Commander Charles "Trip" Tucker III didn't die but faked his death and became a spy AND was involved in those events as detailed in "The Good That Men Do". (It’s also revealed that Captain Roy Dunsel's fateful choice leading to the destruction of his ship the USS Challenger actually made him a hero instead of the useless Captain of a “useless” starship (his ship was being remotely controlled by Romulans and to prevent the ship from falling into enemy hands sacrificed himself and his crew).
The story continues in "To Brave the Storm". After five years of War, the Romulans are on the brink of victory but Tucker in disguise on Remus gives Archer crucial intel. Archer’s victory at Cheron with the assist of privateers like Kolos and Shran and later the Vulcans and the Tellarites forced the Romulans to sue for peace. Archer becomes a signatory on the treaty and later the Federation Charter. Twenty-five years later, a journalist tracks down T'Pol for an interview for the 25th Anniversary of the Federation and catches a glimpse of the officially dead Tucker posing as a gardener with her and their two children in outer ShiKahr on Vulcan.
Other books like "Beneath the Raptor's Wing" tells of Trip's work as an operative for T'Pau and the Vulcans (this later sways T’Pau to help Trip and T’Pol live a married life in secrecy on Vulcan). "A Choice of Futures, Tower of Babel, Uncertain Logic, Live by the Code" tells of Trip's work with Section 31. And "Last Full Measure" tells of Trip’s meeting with Sam and Jimmy Kirk.
Jolene Blalock really nailed the acting in this scene. You can see it eating up T'Pol inside, and not being certain how to handle such a swell of emotion -- already a foreign concept for Vulcans, and such a powerful emotion as losing a child. It really helped to drive the whole episode home, and I still can't watch the scene without tearing up.
I'd completely forgotten about that part - perhaps my sub-conscious deleted it as potentially detrimental to Spock's character.
I remember an episode of TOS when the landed on an earth like planet, summertime, an the spores of a flower Spock picked got him. Eventually as people beamed down, no one wanted to leave - including Spock who was smiling right along with his new lady friend. Spock may have cracked a small grin at some point during TOS, maybe being half human. Jolene had criticized the fact that she thought her character was too emotional for a Vulcan - based on the writers and producers. After all T'Pol had trouble controlling her emotions for at least a season and a half - maybe doubly so, as a) There was an episode where she experienced a forced mind meld which damaged her synopsis, and b) After boarding the damaged Vulcan ship in the Expanse - where the crew had all gone mad due to exposure to a new element Trillium D - this also made T'Pol go mad and though she recovered. Yet in both cases there were lingering symptoms of high emotion where she continued receiving treatments from the doctor.
- In any event based on the scripts for each show I think Ms. Blalock did a tremendous job in acting the part, giving what the directors and producers wanted.
santoslittlehelper06 same here man. It’s really one of the few scenes that causes me to tear up for the characters and what they’re dealing with
Synchronicity Absolutely agree with you. T’Pol is, and always shall be, my favourite Vulcan of all time.
Agreed. T'Pol was a great character, and Jolene nailed that scene. It's a common mistake that people think Vulcans don't feel emotions, and part of that comes from Spock deflecting the jabs of people like Kirk and McCoy in TOS by insinuating as much (leaving alone the fact he's half human), but as is very often pointed out in the various ST series, Vulcans actually do have emotions -- such violent and powerful emotions in fact that their civilization almost destroyed itself and that the addition of Logic to control these emotions and subdue them entirely was necessary for them to survive as a species (Romulans might beg to disagree here with that last point, but Vulcans thought so). The emotions of Vulcans are still there and just as powerful as their historical counterparts -- they are just much better controlled via the teachings of Surak.
Totally did the same thing. I just pretend the last episode doesn't exist.
The writers and producers eventually all apologized for the last episode I think.
They largely regard the second to last episode as the end of the Enterprise storyline. The last episode has a lot of bizarre things about it that led me to question if it was real. The book rewrites the history.
Not sure if it's true, but I read on Memory Alpha about the Elizabeth fate and writing of "These Are the Voyages" that they were written to be like the Babylon 5 endings, until they knew if the show was a getting a fifth season Elizabeth was to either live (season five) or die (cancellation) while the jump to a Coalition of Planets was in case they didn't get a fifth season. Personally, I like to think that neither Elizabeth or Trip died because it would have been better to have a Human/Vulcan Starfleet officer as a precursor to Spock
Jolene is just amazing... She really spoke with her eyes and it’s make T’Pol been so sensitive... She made me see humanity in Vulcans. I feel to grateful for her. 🖖
oi mo
Live long and prosper.
This was a good scene, I believe initially because they thought their 'daughter' died because their DNA was incompatible, both of them blamed themselves because they could not help but wonder if a part of themselves at the genetic level was the reason, that Elizabeth had too much Human or Vulcan DNA, that one half destroyed the other. To find out that she didn't die just because she was THEIR child gives them some comfort.
Hell, I was crying at the end of this episode... and I'm a 55 year old, calloused hand, and crow's feet eyed heavy equipment operator.
I think it tears at the part of every man that wants to be a father. This now reminds me of losing my own daughter in a miscarriage.
Damn, it got to me, too. I definitely was not expecting to be in tears by the end of this scene. .-(
One of the most incredible, gut wrenching scenes ever filmed in the show. You couldn't help but feel so bad for him. And the pain that is inside them both. And when she grips his hand... Wow.
Such a great scene. Just amazing. Connor Trineer knocks it out of the park.
Just wanted to cuddle him and say it’ll be okay. Things will be better.
I loved Enterprise except for the fact that they had to kill Trip...my favorite character and they had to kill him.
Yeah, my fav too. Same with Jadzia, Data and Spock. One really shouldn’t become my fav.
His death was very unnecessary.
At least their deaths were more heroic and understandable @@quuaaarrrk8056.
It was an excellent series, and should have continued! Corporate decisions by little men in powerful positions.... it's been the demise of this country!
Agreed! I loved this show.
A MUCH BETTER ending then the crap they threw at us. Thank you for sharing. :')
You fixed it and gave us the ending we and the actors deserved!
I would have preferred Trip not dying in the last show. It would have been more interesting if he had lived and gone on to further adventures.
I'll never forgive them killing Trip. It was just a cheap shot. But he had a better send off than Data with his Khan knock off ending.
They fixed the ending in the books series... but damn it's a lot of READING!
Gil Davis I wish t'pol died so that trip would mourn for her.....
I totally loved Trip and it should have gone on - they screwed up. The cult following on Netflix has graduated into full blown sect of fans. Thank you Netflix!
Consider the Riker/Troi episode as a typical broken holodeck TNG story. Trip didn't die and he was able to go on for a long career as an engineer and partner with T'Pol. Much more simple than those follow up novels.
If you don't like TATV, the continuation novels (starting with "The Good That Men Do") retcon the events of the whole episode. Trip survives and, several books later, there is an epilogue that pretty much confirms that Trip and T'Pol (eventually) get to settle down together and actually have two kids. They might go through hell and back on the way there, but they eventually get their happy ending.
I like to apply Sarak's words to Young Spock about why he married his mother to T'Pol and Trip. (it's all cute then)
Just another reason why books are almost *always* better than TV/movies.
This gets me. Every time. Love T'Pol and Trip.
i just finished watching all 4 seasons on Netflix... all i gotta say is that I'd rather have your alternate ending than the slap-in-the-face ending i just watched.
The show pulled out all the stops in the last season: doomsday weapon, borg, space nazis, time travel, mirror universe. They tried everything except bring out Q. They "Jumped the shark", so to speak. They crapped out and completely ruined everything everyone loved about the series in the last episode.
I felt buttraped when i saw Trip die....
tinman24601
The Borg were in (one episode of) season 2, not season 4. And doomsday weapon...are you referring to the Xindi weapon? That was entirely season 3.
I hope you've read the relaunch books where they reveal that the history behind Riker's holoprogram got it wrong, then. Trip didn't die; his death was faked by Section 31 so that they could recruit him as an agent to undermine the Romulan development of the next jump in Warp technology.
I feel with you. Same thing here
Why did they have to screw up the final episode by sticking Next Generation Characters in the episode? I almost felt like the hacks who wrote the show allowed their idiotic Next Generation content to hijack the ending of Enterprise. It was a really lazy or stupid piece of writing.
What doomed Enterprise was not it production values or even it's main story lines. What killed interest in the show was that the character relationships were not allowed to evolve in any great depth. Character relationships were obvious subplots that were never allowed to develop into the story lines fans of the show wanted to see. The fans wanted to see these relationships have a payoff, for some reason the writers didn't.
Honestly the writing in the original Star Trek was never going to be mistaken for King Lear, or MacBeth. The special effects in the original Star Trek were cheesy even by 1960's standards. What Trekkies loved about the show were the relationships. We loved the characters.
The Tripp -T'Pol romance has a direct parallel to Romeo and Juliet. Hmm, two star crossed ( literally star crossed ) lovers being kept apart by the difficulties imposed on them by their own societies, families, and duty to the ship. How did Enterprise go from a fantastic opportunity to retell Shakespeare's greatest romance set against the backdrop of an entire galaxy, to a show where the characters only seemed to tease the idea of having real relationships, and therefore only seemed to tease the idea of having real identities?
A better ending story would have left out the Next Gen characters. Focus more Trip and T'pol's relationship after the death of their child. Enter General Shran with his problem, Tucker sacrifices himself just as he did in the episode to save Captain Archer.
Tpol is called to sick bay before Tucker dies. Tucker who can barely speak gabs T'pol's hand and places it on his face. They mind meld.
Cut to scene where both Tucker and T'Pol are in the white expanse where Tucker's day dreams about T"Pol usually take place. In the mind meld Tucker sensing his own coming death finally tells T'Pol how he loved her from first sight, and how he had never stopped loving her even though events had forced them apart. Huge emotional scene where T'Pol basically admits to having the same exact feelings for Tucker. The mind meld was necessary because Trip's lungs were so badly damaged he physically couldn't tell T'Pol how he felt, and he knew his Time was short.
Tucker reminds T'Pol of the question she asked him on the shuttlecraft earlier in the episode "How often do you think about me?" Trip explains he lied earlier when he basically brushed off the question. The white expanse begins to darken and Trip's image begins to fade away as he dies. T"Pol is left standing in the dark .
Scene cuts back to sick bay, Tucker is in his final death throws and keeps repeating the words "Morning, Noon ,and Night" over and over till he dies. Only T'Pol knows what those words mean, the rest of the crew is mystified.
Cut to Trip's funeral where Captain Archer gives a short farewell speech along the same lines as Captain Kirk's speech in Wrath Of Khan.
Now cut to the end scene where Captain Archer is about to give his big speech. Archer just about to leave the room and asks T'Pol if she knows what Trip's last words meant . " Morning, Noon, and Night "? T'pol says "Yes". Archer realizes the meaning of Trip's final words. Close up on T'Pol a single tear rolls down her cheek. Close up on Archer, he chokes up, turns leaves the room to go out and make his history making speech.
Que, iconic Star Trek music. Show scenes of Archer, T'pol, and Tripp's Enterprise flying through space. The "Space the Final Frontier" Dialogue is split up like it was in the original episode but instead the voices belong to Tripp, T'Pol, and finally Captain Archer.
Broken Trekkie hearts all the way around. Legendary ending to a good show. T Shirts that say "Tripp Lives" printed on them, and probably hundreds of Tripp-T'Pol themed wedding for hard core Trekkers to attend.
The series Enterprise died because the show's writers would not let the characters truly live, and grow.
Remember they can time travel might be saving it for a movie I hope. Love to see it end happy. Too much negativity in real life. We need happy endings.
I agree. The only part I liked was when Archer hugged T'Pol. He understand why she hated crowds. I think the story should've ended about how Trip's death affected her (and the others). She also had to have been overwhelmed with her mother's, Elizabeth's, and then Trip's deaths altogether. I would've preferred the trailer of "Endeavour" to let fans know what could've happened next.
To be honest, given they knew this was going to be the last episode, and given that so far is the last episode of proper "Star Trek" and not the pew pew laser shos they call it now, I kind of like how the ending line was split and showed the different Enterprises. It felt like a sendoff to the entire franchise from a time when there was no word of if it was ever coming back to screens in any way.
All the rest of the TNG bullshit that wasn't that very last scene though, that can get thrown out the airlock into the nearest sun.
Really Enterprise should have got 7 seasons. I'm hoping that this upcoming series is actually worth a damn, otherwise I will actually go protest.
Agreed
I really only liked a few. Instead of drawing the same episode out for an entire season they should have took the original Star Trek approach of one episode being a story. There was one where something got on the ship and started taking over the crew. Being on the plant and having a disease break out and they really don't use the transporter. Now those were good episodes. I think they got started off right and than in season 3 they just gave up. By the end of season four it was getting good again but it was already canceled.
agreed we will meet up in protest. or they should just we continue on what happens after. such as going to Captain Archer becoming an admiral and so forth and becoming the president of the Federation which is stated in the Star Trek Wiki they should do something like that like what happens immediately after the conference where he gives his speech that would be great
You better get ready to protest once you see the new klingons
I so wanted to see the Terran-Romulan War.
This is the finale as far as I'm concerned. These are the Voyages didn't happen. When you think like that you fix half the issues of Enterprise. Tripp shouldn't of been killed, Riker should never have appeared, and Archer should of been allowed to get his damn speech in.
If you take out all the TNG links (besides the "these are the voyages" speech) and only focused on the NX-01 and it's final days then the episode could have done better. Half the episode seemed confusing and other sections worked, but jumping forward would have worked if it was referring the unseen Romulan War
As far as in concerned the last episode does not exist what a cop out, kill his baby then kill him my god couldn't they give them a happy ending, they at least deserved that! It was a great show and it ended too soon, it was aired at the wrong time
I always felt so horrible for Trip. He loses one child, then his family and then a daughter. I'd be crying too
"One child " are you referring to the first season where he got knocked up?
Yes. Technically it wasn't his but it kind of does count
Caitlin Cushing I don't think he was sad to be rid of the first one.
Maybe not horribly sad but he did show that he care for it a little
Then he gets whacked in the next episode
here's a reassuring thought, none of what was shown in the last episode actually happened. That was a Holodeck simulation. And if I were trip, and I had just killed some big-time Interstellar gangster , I would want people to think I was dead. cuz if they thought i was alive then people would come after me. Maybe I'd have my best buddy and sort of kind of girlfriend falsify my death, and live under an assumed name. just a thought.
Patrick Moscatello oooo I like that, but it is in the tng timeline apparently now....go figure riker and troy look way older, growth hormoned, and fatter here than in all good things and generations?
On the way out of the Holodeck, Troi looks over at the Computer Controls and says "Will, guess who forget to turn off the 'Randomize Historical Details' Function again?..."
Enterprise may have had its ups and downs but this scene was the most emotional in all of Star Trek, maybe the ending of Duet could match it...
Ending it with Terra Prime would have made sense. The first foundations of the Federation coming into existence had been shown, every character had their part to play. It should have ended with this episode and this scene.
i agree but I'm like 50/50 Tara Prime and ending it like that. it's interesting to think about it and then right there but I think I prefer it with These Are the Voyages
It's funny; while this series was auspiciously swept into a dusty corner to be forgotten by the producers, hoping for it to fade from the minds of those who were unfortunate enough to watch them, are now, among others, are some of the most watched Television shows on the net.
happened to the star trek original series and Firefly.
Bring that back! The cast is pretty old by now so it would have to be deep in Archers presidency. Netflix could carry it...
Better not at all, than with Kurtzman. Currently the 22nd century is the only one he didn’t ruin yet.
This is the best ending possible... Last chapter sucks for me and you just elevated the show with the three Enterprises. Thank you so much for this vid. You just made my day!
People keep saying the last episode was awful. I don't remember there being an episode after T'Pol and Tuckers moment.
What are you talking about? Who would even come to the idea of anything after this moment?
If Enterprise had gone on another season, Trip wouldn't have been killed off.
Yah
Setups and payoffs. Why did we want Trip and T'Pol to have a happy ending? Because the writers set us up for that since the beginning. They made us want it. Then, out of left field... they refuse the payoff, kill our hero and separate our lovers for eternity. No writing integrity here. We need a good Star Trek fan film to correct this ending.
I'm glad I am not the only one to think this would have made a better ending. For me, it will be. Thank you.
Enterprise is one of the most underrated shows of the Star Trek universe. It did start out slow, but when we got into conflict with the Xindi, it found its footing. The characters really began to grow and became more fleshed out. T’pol and Trip carried the show and I was very disappointed with the finale. In the novels their story is continued and I wish they could have explored it more in the series. One of the best.
Star Trek Enterprise has always been the best of the Star Trek universe for me and that is really saying something.
If you remember in one of the shows an alternative reality they did have a child that lived a son. I was really sad to see that their daughter died. I think it would have been more interesting to keep her alive. Who know Vulcans live for 100's of years maybe she could have had a part in the new movies.
T'Pol would only be 150 in the Discovery & most of the Kelvin era and 160 or so in Prime TOS time period. so yeah - also Soval was still around too.
250 years
TNG was stupid. I thought they were going to just say the entire series of Enterprise was nothing more than a imaginary thing in a holodeck. Was not a happy camper at Trip's death. They first split them apart, then had Trip sacrificed at the end. Not a good way to end the show.
Toda la razón, lo mejor de la serie fue la relación sentimental, espectacular, de ellos dos, no querían feliz el final, malo para mi.
Soberbia actuación de ellos dos , un mundo aparte, si se unieran todas su escena, daría para dos o tres episodios monumentales, cambiando el final claro está,
Thank you. I LOVE this ending. Wish the makers of ENT talked with you about how to make a wonderful ending.
This was a better ending than the actual one. The idea that T'Pol and Trip lived and worked together for 6 more years without acting on their true feelings is disappointing. Her character should at least have been by his side along with Capt. Archer before his character expired.
This episode made me cry. Love T'Pol and Tripp together💞
Much better. The final episode sucked. A gift to the fans not worthy of regifting. Bring back Enterprise
+Benny Gilardi If the thing can make you happier may I tell you a thing?
I don't know if you have heard or read the book "The Good That Men Do": it tells that what the death of Trip is a lie; he fakes his own death to be able to make some undercover mission in Vulcan and Romulus, his relationship with T'Pol continues and he has some children with her, and he lives at least till he is 117 years old, a day of death is never specified.
See you soon.
Guido.
That is quite young considering the DNA modification.
It's also younger that Archer died - but then Archer may have lived so long as he's full of Augment DNA
OK.... first off.... the final episode....... would have been MUCH BETTER if they had kept Riker and Troi out of it; the show was called "ENTERPRISE"!!! Second..... if they had brought in Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens earlier, the show might have been saved. I also thought that they should have concentrated more on first contacts like with the Klingons, etc. because on the other ST shows it was suggested that a mistake in the first contact with the Klingons led to the hatred between them.... also dealing with technological issues other than the transporter. JMHO. They definitely could have kept Trip alive, that was a cop out. I would also have liked to hear Archer's speech at the end of the show. Again, JMHO.
This is the real ending of Enterprise.
And to any Paramount/CBS people who might read this and care: the framing device of "These Are the Voyages" could very much be retconned since it was the product of the Enterprise holo-projector, so the actual truth of the events might be completely different because of Section 31 or God knows what, AND/OR in future Enterprise episodes history might be altered to a subtle degree that sees Archer deliver his speech AND sees Trip survive at the end of the mission AND sees T'Pol and Trip develop a relationship and have a child in the six years between the events of Terra Prime and "These are the Voyages."
l loved the "Space, the final frontier" when l was a kid but now l realise that "The Final Frontier" is and forever will be our own mind as we evolve and learn.
It's been an absolute pleasure rewatching all the shows on syndication ❤️
Love this alternate ending.
you are so right! I could watch that scene 1000 times and break down in tears every time.
I felt that the ending episode was a little unsatisfying. But I can't really blame it on the producers, they were just working with what they had after the network canceled the show. But to all you Enterprise fans, there were novels released afterwards that were fantastic. I would recommend them to you if you were also unsatisfied by the finale. "The good that men do" by Andy Mangels and Michael A. Martin. I couldn't put them down! And they made me not dislike the ending as I originally had.
Lizzie Mercy The producers knew they were getting the can by halfway into the season. They could have, and should have, utilized the remaining episodes to close the series up properly. Instead they doddle with a bunch of ideas, a couple standalone stories that are completely vacant, and then they themselves decided to step in and write the last story, but not only that instead of maintaining hte immediate drama of the story, they make it into a holodeck recreation. So, on the show about ENTERPRISE, the ENTERPRISE crew is nowhere to be seen. We're watching Riker play a video game. That is a horrible way to end the show, let alone the entire series.
No, the final dozen episodes should have had three primary plot lines. Unifying the member races into the "proto" federation alliance, the Terra Prime movement on Earth, and the Romulan Empire attacking in force. If it were compelling enough it would have brought the viewers back. Even if it wasn't enough to get the series renewed for season 5, it would have at least let the show itself go out on a high note, and been true to what the series premise was supposed to be.
You make it sound so easy to just 180 everything they had already filmed, written, shot and special effects created once they found out they were cancelled. You are asking for massive rewrites of half a season AS they are filming it. That kind of work requires money, which they weren't going to get because they were cancelled. Talk about an unrealistic expectation. As much as I disliked Trip dying I was glad they managed to wrap up as much as they did.
The great irony is the same guy who Commissioned Discovery also cancelled Enterprise.
Lizzie Mercy bullshit. They wasted money building a half assed tng set and hiring riker and troy. Jeffrey combs back was enough for a send off, and the end ceremony on earth. You should blame the producers. This was like sopranos producers saying fu to fans.
This episode tore my heart out. Such a good note to go out on: Overall hopeful, but with deep personal consequences for the main characters which ultimately makes the emergence of the Federation and the rest of the Star Trek universe that much more impactful. The Federation was already a pillar of Star Trek, but this episode made it seem more personal and emotional than anything else that has ever happened or will ever happen in the Star Trek universe.
I'm not sure what that fanfiction they aired after this episode was about, but it was very confusing and thankfully it's not a part of canon.
As far as I am concerned, the Star Trek I grew up watching ended with "Terra Prime". Wish it had went on for a little bit longer, but I suppose it had to stop sooner or later. It was a great run while it lasted.
its time for CBS to bring Enterprise back as a movie or a mini series to conclude the story. Numbers of fans have grown around the world and the expectation also. Call CBS.
I do like this ending much more but what most people don't realize is that Trip never actually died. His death was staged with the help of Captain Archer, Doctor Phlox, and T'pol. It is said that Trip hid aboard Enterprise and snuck onto Earth where he joined Section 31. His mission was to fight off the Rigellians in belief that they might try to stop the Signing of the Federation. He was also given a few modifications from the Vulcans that will let him live for another 200 years, meaning he could possibly make an appearance on Discovery. I know that a lot of you will be all like "But I saw him get shot out at the funeral!" Remember the episode Similitude? It is said that another clone of Trip was created, with the help of Phlox, and the clone willingly went to death for the funeral. Once Enterprise was Decommissioned Trip snuck back to earth with the help of Archer and T'pol where he was recruited for Section 31. (I'm just going off of memory because I haven't read the books in so long, correct me if I got any part of the story wrong)
Young Inc. the problem with that is that the books aren’t strictly canon, not in the way the shows are. I’m aware they backtracked in the books and it’s nice they realised they screwed up but it doesn’t do much.
Trip’s death wasn’t t my only issue with this episode either. The entire thing was basically Riley watching a movie during a TNG episode. For the grand finale of a series not his own. Not great. They could have tied it up in a better way than that. And not killed Trip.
@@NethDugan I understand that the last episode sucked because of Riley and I can't exactly change your mind or prove you wrong seeing that you are correct about the books. Plus everyone is entitled to believe what they want.
The actress that played T’pol created a wonderful character, she is consummate actor. Sadly her career post the series didn’t blossom, such a shame as she brought so much warm with great skill to an aloof character. Pity casting directors didn’t appreciate her acting talent with regular work on screen, large or small.
That last episode was a disgrace that actually angered me. If Sirtis or Frakes had any integrity at all, they would have refused to participate.
it was this SAME shabby writting that killed the series in just 4 seasons! Yet, if you hear the commentaries
on DVD the writters would claim it to be a masterpiece and great thought went into every scene and line.
Keep in mind these are millenials that have very littler connection with the real world. Everything is video
game, pizza, coffee at Starbucks., dining out, trendy fashions and only a vague understanding of real life! Sad
There was just so much hope in that handhold. I guess our friends can only live on in our hopes and dreams.
I can't believe that it was cancelled 11 years ago seems like just yesterday considering the fact that I watch at least one episode every week. I also can't believe that I was also one years old when it aired for the first time. #crazy
It's been a fact of Star Trek that Spock is half human, half vulcan. Not just via adoption and culturally but biologically also. It's come up in a few issues around his biology and how it would react to things.
Sorry to disappoint.
The entire episode was a terrible idea and put an awful ending on a Star Trek series that struggled to find its way and once it did it got canceled. Just a real shit way of ending the series. It does help that since then the shows producers admitted the ending was a bad decision, not to show the races coming together for that first charter but making it a damned holodeck program
I think the last episode was great it really brought into perspective on how Captain Archer influenced the Federation in humanity for all time
Terra Prime, but not These Are the Voyages.
@@jacksonconley5117 Im glad to see all the true Star Trek fans are still lurking around these videos 🤣. Just saw some of my old commenst on this video and then relized the time stamp said "Posted 5 years" ago on my comment lmaooo.
I would have went from incredibly sad tears to a small amount of happy tears if T’Pol would have told Trip that she want’s them to have a baby together or something along those lines. I still get emotional and start to cry a little bit every single time that I watch this scene because of the sheer amount of heart break on Trips face and in his voice. You can even see that T’Pol is having an incredibly hard time at trying to not completely lose control of her emotions and breaking down in tears. Trip and T’Pol were both cheated out of the chance to raise they’re beautiful little girl together. Wish they would have saved the baby so that T’Pol would have had a living and breathing part of Trip with her after he died. I loved seeing these two together but I just wish they would have gotten that happy ending they both deserved of and finally realizing they have always belonged together.
It's a shame cause all ST shows suffer but I noticed when all hit season 3 or 4 they finally get into their own.Season 4 of ENT was amazing it setup Season 5 long awaited Romulan War storyline and they were going to do another 2 "Mirror Mirror",Borg origins,Shran becomes a aux member of The Enterprise (which is great to have had Combs do Shran more) also T'Pol finds out her father is Romulan,Orgins of Starfleet.Season five would have been epic and I can see the would have spread the Romulan War over the next 3 seasons kinda like how the Dominion War was done in DS9 with breaks with other storylines.UPN just never gave the show a chance with switching time slots,No advertising and the presidential debates always seemed to run into this show.And worse was 6 months after it was cancelled they announced a reboot of the ST movies,if the show started say 2006 or 2006 it would have fan 7 seasons.its a shame another classic "what if" in TV history
Something else I'd completely Forgotten - that T'Pol is Half Romulan ?!
I may have missed that part of that episode I guess. They don't seem to bring it up in the Novels - I suppose that is an alternative reason for her low telepathic rating.
BasqueNYC TNG says season 6 was their best and favorite on specoal features. I agree and it is ludicris enterprise got such a crappy ending.
what makes it even sadder about "these are the voyages" is that it was a thank you to the fans from the 2 B's for 18 years non-stop of Trek on TV.
CHASEMARC I would have found "These are the Voyages" perfectly acceptable as a mediocre episode if it had appeared mid-season, but appearing right at the end felt massively insulting. "Terra Prime" has an ending which is far superior.
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yes, as for Terra Prime it would have made a good season ender but not a series ender, it needed to be a 2 hour movie that showed the ending of the Earth/Romulan War and the formation of the UFP that is what theshow was about, all Star Trek Shows had a set mission (Classic = 5 year exploration, and that lasted for over 25 years; TNG = "ongoing" Missions and that lasted for 15+ years counting movies; DS9 = Bajor into the Federation (not so much), end of the Dominion War; Voy = Getting home; Ent = Birth of the Federation - nope it ended with a HOLODECK STORY that made it look as if all of Enterprise was a fake story within TNG)
This is NOT an alternate ending to the Enterprise episode involving Trip and T'Pol's baby. This is the actual ending scene for that episode.
Made me weep. I miss Enterprise.
My two favourite Enterprise characters !
To have someone like Jolene Blaylock fall in love with me would be the fulfillment of my greatest dream.
100% prefer this ending over the stupid ending in the final episode. Trip lost his town and his sister in the Xindi attack, then he loses his clone daughter and the the writers kill him off in the final episode in a stupid so call "plot twist." To all those who plan of watching Star Trek Enterprise, the show ends on the second to last episode of series 4.
I understand what you mean, but I just think that the relationship between Tpol and Trip should have culminated into something first. Fans were waiting for something real to come of that for a while...and then...yeah. Yet, despite that thought, it was still a good ending because I was also really saddened.
I hated Trip dying in the final episode, but aside from that, I don't get why people disliked it so much. I loved that the last major events were told through seeing Riker experience them through the holodeck, and the fact that they never showed the chef until that episode made it seem like they had that planned from the beginning. I don't think it took anything from the cast of Enterprise either. If anything, it linked the show to all other Start Trek better by showing that in TNG there was knowledge and mention of Archer's Enterprise. It just hadn't been shown to us before, maybe because it was a huge prequel story of it's own that needed to be told in it's own series.
what i hated about the ending was, they threw it away. The best cast, a superstar captain, and closed as a holodeck program. Jonathan Frakes is the ugliest fool to ever embarrass the galaxy. The only cast member to come off as arrogant in real life as he does on screen. They should have killed him off in Next Generation. Some sort of alien STD would have been perfect.
I love T'Pol ^_^
+Mikael Murstam I love Trip
We also love the vulnerability of T'Pol as we did when Lt. Saavik cried at Spock's memorial service or maybe even Lt.Valeris's pain of the mind-meld. Didn't TPol also show emotion when her mother died?
For me, the last scene with Trip and T'pol and Archers speech as he brings forth the first step of creating the Federation with Soval giving him a standing ovation is the ending for me. It should've ended there and alone. Enterprise got me through High School and Jonathan Archer is my absolute favorite Captain.
Trip's dead never seemed real to me, it was just like a foggy dream, a barely remember it, and when I do, it's doesn't feel like it really happens.
And now I'm taking this ending as a canon, thanks 💕💕
Great fix! The final episode
diminished actors/fans by framing inside a TNG plot. Blalock's critique? "Appalling"
tossed TRIP/T'PAL's hopeful hookup into a crapper
sacrificed TRIP so Archer could make a meeting? (Paramount bureaucrats cheered)
if B&B's "Valentine" to fans, it was the gift of a toaster in lieu of flowers.
I got past awful theme music, Spock with boobs pandering, villian of the week as darker arcs unfolded. But final episode's at best a DVD "extra" oddity fans could ignore.
*Regardless of whether Trip lived or died, I enjoyed how the writers incorporated in the next generations, Riker and Troy, as a hologram presentation of the NX-Enterprises' history!* 🖖
I hate the last episode. I was always waiting to see Trip and T'pol together, so they kill him.. I agree with you. This will be the last episode to me.
emvitt same
Of all the Star Trek series besides the 60s version I hated or heavy dislike on TNG, Voyager and DS9 But I truly love the characters and overall look and feel of Enterprise. It was up and down at times but I truly love these characters even the dopey TNG ending I overlooked and cried when TRIP died. Archer as captain was awesome best captain since Kirk I wish this show was given more chances and better run. and more developed to have Tpol and Trip together forever. The show for the last 2 year kicked ass. The Holodeck intrusion ruined an otherwise cool ending.
The death of that Vulcan child was heartbreaking enough.😭
Season 4 of Enterprise was really good. I have no idea why they went with the final episode. Even Jonathan Frakes thought it was a bad idea. I also hate that we never got the Romulan War. I was looking forward to seeing Captain Stiles.
I stopped the finale episode, just as soon as I saw the TNG characters ... never watched it, not worth of the value of the entire show. It would have been great to have seen the formation of the planets federation spread in three seasons. Would have provided a lot of good for thought
The last episode was so rubbish because it was essentially a director's cut of a TNG episode.
Sean O'Neill exactly.
And, didn't even show Archer's speech at the end.
Aquarius1011 Exactly!!! I HATED the last episode and fuck Frake's liberal ego and all the rest. Step asside tng! Good lord. Now they do STD!
Oh well, at least it had the first showing of the Enterprise-D in cgi.
Some would say that Enterprise was one big Enterprise-D holodeck simulation.
And, now they do JJ Abrams Star Trek.
As much as I prefer "Terra Prime" as the final episode, the send off with the ships and famous line doesn't really fit it. It's unfortunate because it's the best part of "These are the Voyager."
Trip basically said Spock will exist
Trip was removed by transport right at the second of blast by time travelers. Part of him pulled into the future as part of his being remains. Like what happen to Commander Riker while being transported, and then he had a twin. The same process could’ve happened to trip. So T-pol & Trip will be as one again. Time travelers send Trip back, too his time months long in time after his death, to stop some species from messing with the time continuum. So T-pol is pull in to help finding Trip alive while finding time travel is very possible in the future.
Grateful to Star Trek: Picard for retconning that terrible finale out of existence. I know Lower Decks referenced it, but considering they've included references to other retconned episodes I'll be happy to see it as an easter egg and nothing else.
Thumbs up. Dare I even say shame on Riker and Deanna for not executing veto power on that atrocity of a finale. Snip out all but the part where Archer inspires the Federation into existence, 15 minute finale, everyone's happy. You didn't have to kill Trip dammit. That was just gratuitous.
The irony of people praising Jolene Blalock in the comment when, while still doing a job in the role, she was one of the major reasons behind the scenes that dragged down S4 and the eventual cancelation. She was very much against the TriPol storyline and T'Pol's emotional issues, often saying she'd rather play her as the cold and logical vulcan she was "supposed" to be. Jolene's repeated complaints and pushback about plotlines caused lots of delays and rewrites, ultimately leading to a weaker performing season ripe to be drop.
Connor Trineer was vastly underrated as an actor.
This was a great series. It had high moments and a few low moments but still solid, and they decided just to cancel it!?
The killing off of Trip was just ridiculous. Kathleen Kennedy is probably behind it. /rollingmyeyes
Hey why did they raise so many questions about whether it was possible for vulcans and humans to have kids together when T'Pol and Tucker already had a healthy adult son that time when they were thrown back in time through a vortex (during their pursuit of the Xindi weapon)?
What killed the show was having not staying with a simple plot from show to show .
Freaking writers create a enemy and it keeps dragging on .
I got tired of it
This is Holly's current "movie theme" scripting now. Creating "movie/video game" strips that goes on
forever. Never thinking if people don't like that plot/script, please will simple tune out. DS9 was that
for most. Too political with the emissaries, carBajoran/Cardassian couldn't get away from it...so
people turned-out. Yet writters believe they really elevated the show and drink daily to their success!
There were a lot of problems with the Riker thing, some of them are meta, some of them are execution, some of them are -physical-. According to the episode, all of that is supposed to be happening during the events of the TNG episode Pegasus. The simple fact of the matter is that Jonothan Frakes was about sixty pounds too heavy for that uniform he was wearing. And Marina Sirtis was so much older you evidently didn't recognize her. ;p
(BTW, the word is "canon".)
Did not hate the series ending, Did not love it either, it is very difficult to end a series that people care about. Star Trek Enterprise was my second favorite of all the series.
In addition to the Reset movies, I feel it would be time to start another series on the Sci fi network. It could be more low-key to start off with. Maybe the adventures of a minor starship with a lot of emphasis on character development.
This scene would bring a tear to a glass eye.
They should have kept the script of These Are the Voyages, but with Riker and Troi replaced by curious children inexplicably showing up in the scenes.
The audience would only discover at the very end of the episode that all those kids belong to a school trip, visiting the actual Enterprise decommisionned and turned into an holographic museum piece on Earth. This way, you can have any continuity cameo you want among the class, including younger version of characters from different eras, to really underline how Archer and his crew were an inspiration to several generation of Starfleet officers.
TheZapan99 tgatcwoukd have been way better. I’d still have issues with the story but... way better.
@@NethDugan Just imagine how at the end of the visit, each child gets to shake the hand of the holographic captain Archer, before he puts them in his chair to take a souvenir picture. While leaning next to each of them, with a warm smile he asks "What is your name, cadet?" and you would have a montage of each young captain, beginning with "Jim, I mean James Kirk, sir!"
It wasn't from any previous episode, but the scene was molded from the asteroid field in "The Pegasus", which doesn't quite follow the storyline, as Riker decides whether to tell Picard that Adm Pressman was trying to recover the prototype Federation phased cloaking device; a Romulan phased cloaking device was in the Laforge-Ro Laren presumed-dead episode "The Next Phase".
I came here from the Adventure time "Remember me" song. And both of these videos make me start to cry. ;-;
When I first saw this I was afraid that Vulcan and human DNA was, in fact, not compatible. You see, I didn't watch the original Star Trek until I was eighteen, so I didn't know that Spock was half-human. It just wasn't on anywhere when I grew up.
The 4 seasons was because of ratings and the network it was on sucked. As for trip dying, there is a 4 book series written (mostly to cover the romulan war) in which trip faked his own death and went into section 31.
These are the voyages seemed cheap and lazy. It's like they didn't want to take the time to write a half way decent send off. I love TNG but bringing the ending of Enterprise into some 7th season episode of TNG is insulting not to mention it doesn't even fit because not once in Pegasus does Commander Riker Confer with Troy. The writers managed to cheapen a good episode of TNG at the same time. I agree. Had the staff knew that season 4 was the end, then skip up to the Romulin earth war and end with the formation of the federation. Or find some other way of laying the foundation of what would become the federation. Hell, These are the voyages could have been allot better by first removing the TNG cast from it. second, pick a story line that would have been the enterprise crew stopping so villain from screwing up the signing. as I said. it was lazy.
Zachary Gimpel I agree, too much going on, they looked fat and old. Riker trollimg as a ghost killed all the scenes and they put the damn film crew as exras all stuck up like they are the shit instead of focus on the main cast. The goodbye star trek should not have been used here, nor the lost tng plot episode. We as Enterprise fans did not want some Movie Riker/Troy insert hog. Jeffrey combs shows up from the dead and barely gets screen time, and they skip archer's big speech and return home. Then the anoying holodeck freeze program crap killed it. Furthermore killing chip.
I went back immediatly and watched disc 1. I appreciate season 1 more now.
Guido I have that book in my truck. It's kinda bittersweet but I like it.