This had to be one of the darkest and emotional scenes I seen in a war film. "We might be dead in the next split second, maybe we gotta to be extra careful." Erikisson This taught me why war is never right at all, it can drive people including friends and family to go completely insane acting as if they don't knew you anymore. This happened to my great-grandfather, coming home after serving four years in the First World War, plus suffering dreadful wounds.
How can anyone give this a thumbs down. This film has haunted me since childhood but also inspired me to always try to do what's right. Masterpiece film about a horrific thing but definitely a story that needed to be told. Foxes best film imo. Most underrated film
I am reminded of Hemingway: war brings out the best and worst in men. The theme is highly relevant b/c it speaks about who runs forward and who runs backward when a crisis hits - who stops to help others vs those who see the situation to take advantage of others.
+eisenkreuzmusik My mother had Parkinson's. Diagnosed when I was 8. She had a tough time for many years. I wish I understood that as a child. She was a good woman.
Cherry reminds me of myself in social gatherings : I'm really socially awkward person around people -- especially strangers that I never met -- and can definitely relate to Cherry in this case .
@@ijustgottahotdog Sad truth, how rotten the government will do a person to make the military industrial complex and banks rich. It's pure evil, our history as a country.
Poor Cherry. He was probably too afraid to go to war willingly. Therefore he was probably conscripted and pressured. Therefore he was too tense, nervous and anxious to handle the pressure.
Even so it's just a movie, the first time I seen this and that troop was killed I was saddened. I had read books about Nam and they would mention guys like him, guys so nervous that they couldn't function and everybody knew they didn't have a chance of survival.
This scene always chokes me up. They could've kept "cherry" alive if they had tried just a little harder. He was obviously a scared shitless kid who needed a guiding hand to calm him down/chill him out. Ericksson comes to that realization a little too late for poor Cherry.
This movie and movies like this were America’s attempt at coming to terms with its experience in Vietnam. Our involvement there was a watershed moment in how we perceived ourselves. Convinced, after World War Two, that we could do no wrong and were invincible; the Vietnam “conflict” taught us otherwise. I don’t think we ever really recovered. But there has to be a way through for us. We must learn a collective lesson that’s honest, and that allows us to move forward together. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
There's a book by William Gibson called "The perfect War." which talks about in detail the wrongs of the Vietnam war from the top and to the bottom. It was a fascinating read on the structure of how the US adopted a different perspective of war than how it was seen during WW2. It was a way of seeing mass military power and a business mindset being the ultimate tool in winning war. I highly recommend the book or advise you look up the 2 part video interview he did here on UA-cam. Just search Technowar in Vietnam and you'll find two videos on the topic. Hope you enjoy it
The States could have wiped North Vietnam out with nuclear weapons had it wanted but the world was quite different to the one 20 years before.Had North Vietnam been destroyed by the USA; the USSR would have done the same to any ally of the USA , eg: Japan or South Korea.This war as my father said was wage to spend all the weapons America had been making since WWII.To have destroyed North Vietnam would not have been a good business.The losers were the civilians and the soldiers whatever on what side they fought.
I always liked this film ever since I caught it late one night on TV almost 20 years ago. I purchased the VHS copy and watched it many times. I could never understand why many people, critics included, didn't like it. It is a unique film for the genre as I have found young women who watch it relate to it as well, a rarity for war films. It has been fascinating to watch opinion change over time from this being perceived as a bad film to now some critics believing it to be one of the best Vietnam war films.
I find the logic in this scene interesting. Instead of - we could die any minute etc, therefore we should act crazy & irresponsible & non-careful & our actions don't matter... We could die any minute etc, therefore we should act sane & responsible & careful & our actions do matter. Same premise, but exact opposite conclusion.
I think it provides the litmus test for one's character. And perhaps it explains why the "good die young." They seek to do the right thing according to a higher set of values that likely do not put one's survival at the top, while the "bad, " those focused on taking personal advantage of a situation, need to survive to achieve their goal.
It reminds the dialogue that was held between Fassbender and Blades in "The Counselor" when the first finds out his wife was going to be killed and asks for advice to another lawyer(Blades) and the latter tells him that one's world is made by decisions taken in life and when we cease to exist the world we created it ceases to exist.
The Reagan 80s started with Platoon, this movie, then Born on the Fourth of July to make the enlisted grunts that served in combat in Vietnam finally have their voice heard. I don’t include Full Metal Jacket because it was an anomaly made by Stanley Kubrick. But of course all three movies made most enlisted grunts serving in combat portrayed as cruel, stupid, uneducated, horrible people with no moral compass or compassion or without a backbone or bravery. There were few people like Sheen, Fox, and Cruise that were the exception. The real truth was most had graduated high school and many had been to college or graduated.
Brilliant made film deserves more recognition fox and penn brilliant combination true hart smashing story watched it once as young 19 year old. Very thought provoking never watched it since as rape scene is brutal. But if you haven’t seen it it’s a must see film.
As said before sad movie but good also. Only, I should not say it, the haircut. I've never understood. It is not that believable. But anyway, doesn't matter in the end. Movies "like this" have at least one important message if anything. Even outside of war, take care of you and others. Not easy to do, but important to try. Cheers...
3:00 We're getting it backward, man. Just because each of us might at any second be blown away, everybody's acting like we can do anything, man - that it don't matter what we do. But I'm thinking maybe it's the other way round. Maybe the main thing is just the opposite, (as) because we might be dead in the next split-second, maybe we gotta be extra careful of what we do. Because maybe it matters more... Jesus, maybe it matters more than we even know. --------- War is at the extreme spectrum of the human condition, but this speech applies to the mundane, too. Did one kiss their wife and child this morning? For, in reality, life is precarious, and who knows what might happen to snuff out our existence together.
@TheGatorfan93 I liked the Sean Penn performance, but you have your opinion I respect that, and overall I liked the movie... but I can not accept, and I totally disagree with you about the Master Ennio Morricone music, He is amongst the best if not the best composer of our time
This scene was always cheesy to me. Well intended, but "extras". Im too young for Vietnam, Im an OEF vet. But i doubt things changed all that much....as in when one of your guys hits a mine, you dont take snap shots of him all nonchalant, then leave him there, and...you know...keep walking. Still love the movie though
@Niz Loc: Then think of this scene as a metaphor for how many innocent people were murdered in Vietnam because others denied the responsibility of helping them. That’s what this film is about.
I know people are going to come down on me for this, but I think this particular scene was over-acted. For example, what's with all the laboured breathing, like Fox just ran a marathon, stopped, and then started running again? Also, when he grabs 'Cherry' and tells him to stop bopping around, it didn't come off that effectively. All this doesn't mean I disliked the movie however. It's just that this scene makes me wince. And Fox's speech at the end was far too explicitly moralistic. De Palma should've been able to communicate the message delivered here by Fox by way of the film itself, and not have it literally spelled out for us by Fox.
There are some lines in the movie that seem over dramatic, but then I saw that most of those lines including the one at the end of this that seems explicitly moralistic are actually direct quots from the real Erickson in the interview he did with Daniel Lang for New Yorker magazine. During that interview he used those exact lines about how maybe it matters more because we might die at any time.
Well I'll be damned. I read the same article years ago (2008?) and didn't catch the connection. If you're right, and I suspect you are, then good on you. Keen eye. Astute.
I completely disagree. I think it all shows his true character, in that he thinks hardly of the decisions he makes and of the things he says. You see it throughout the entire film, and the real life Eriksson was pretty similar based on what I’ve read. None of it seemed exaggerated, just showing his true self. Not to mention I literally know people who talk like this in real life lol.
I always hated this scene. It's so badly acted. And easily entertained morons always write dumb sh*t like "so powerful". I love M.J.F., but he makes the same mistake Mark Wahlberg tends to make when he's trying to make a scene intense or dramatic. He confuses breathing hard, with intensity. If you don't agree, watch the clip again and the cliche speech at the end. And this time notice his breathing. It's so forced and over done. He was just standing there. But he's panting like he ran the New York City marathon.
I don’t understand. You haven’t ever seen someone nervous or on the verge of a breakdown? Dude just saw a cherry get blown away, and adrenaline’s pumping through his chest. Which means he’s breathing hard and is obviously struggling to find the right words, which is pretty realistic in my mind. It makes even more sense since the soldier he’s standing with completely disregards the dead guy as an idiot who didn’t know what he was doing; Hence no nervous and little emotion for what happened to him. He’s completely calm as he speaks to Eriksson.
I can totally emphasize that you don't like one or another particular scene, but when you love a movie as a whole (like I do with Casualties of War) you can forgive it for its small flaws and weaknesses. I think it's a phenomenal movie even though it flew under the radar for most people.
@@WhiteSlift I dont know .. maybe i am wrong? ...but I think this scene here ... he realized this was the second time he failed at saving some one else who needed help... when he really did have a chance too that time... 😢
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This had to be one of the darkest and emotional scenes I seen in a war film.
"We might be dead in the next split second, maybe we gotta to be extra careful." Erikisson
This taught me why war is never right at all, it can drive people including friends and family to go completely insane acting as if they don't knew you anymore. This happened to my great-grandfather, coming home after serving four years in the First World War, plus suffering dreadful wounds.
How can anyone give this a thumbs down. This film has haunted me since childhood but also inspired me to always try to do what's right. Masterpiece film about a horrific thing but definitely a story that needed to be told. Foxes best film imo. Most underrated film
Yes, because it's harder to be inspired by the true story that inspired the movie (very similar to the plot).
Not a good scene
awesome acting from Michael j fox I will always remember this film from this amazing one liner
+John Castillo I agree I know he is best known for his comedy roles but he shown in this movie that he can play a serious role.
+SteelCity1981 thanks this film was over looked that for sure cool
Me too.
"We might be dead in the next split second, maybe we gotta be extra carefull about we do."
Advice to live by
MJ Fox's best role in his movie career...
nashi nash back to the future
Agreed, definitely showed off his acting chops in this one.
Hell yes
Yeah it is
I am reminded of Hemingway: war brings out the best and worst in men.
The theme is highly relevant b/c it speaks about who runs forward and who runs backward when a crisis hits - who stops to help others vs those who see the situation to take advantage of others.
Amazing acting career cut short by a damn condition
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@@bradenjim7923 The main actor here pretty much can't act anymore because of his Parkinson's disease
+eisenkreuzmusik
My mother had Parkinson's. Diagnosed when I was 8. She had a tough time for many years. I wish I understood that as a child. She was a good woman.
@John Dunbar He filled a niche so obviously he was good enough. How's YOUR wallet?
@John Dunbar Poor Johnny.
I LOVE THIS MOVIE AND THIS SCENE IS BEAUTIFUL I LOVE MICHAEL HE IS JUST GREAT IN THIS MOVIE!!!
Michael Jay Fox should have won a Oscar for his performance as a soldier with a sense of right and wrong
Cherry reminds me of myself in social gatherings : I'm really socially awkward person around people -- especially strangers that I never met -- and can definitely relate to Cherry in this case .
Cherry is another name for name guy lol
Well Cherry is a young man, he probably was conscripted to go war and was in way over his head with more than his fragile psyche could handle.
@@ijustgottahotdog Sad truth, how rotten the government will do a person to make the military industrial complex and banks rich. It's pure evil, our history as a country.
Sad to think how many went to Vietnam who were like Cherry.
Alot of them !
Poor Cherry. He was probably too afraid to go to war willingly. Therefore he was probably conscripted and pressured. Therefore he was too tense, nervous and anxious to handle the pressure.
Even so it's just a movie, the first time I seen this and that troop was killed I was saddened. I had read books about Nam and they would mention guys like him, guys so nervous that they couldn't function and everybody knew they didn't have a chance of survival.
This scene always chokes me up. They could've kept "cherry" alive if they had tried just a little harder. He was obviously a scared shitless kid who needed a guiding hand to calm him down/chill him out. Ericksson comes to that realization a little too late for poor Cherry.
The best performance from Micheal J Fox in a movie.
Fox was great but IMO Sean Penn stole every scene he was in.
3:32 this speech is awesome
Our lives are not bought.
It is the other way around, it matters more than we even know. 😔 🙏
Michael's speech at the end was sad but pretty. It is true you never know when your time is up.
This movie and movies like this were America’s attempt at coming to terms with its experience in Vietnam.
Our involvement there was a watershed moment in how we perceived ourselves.
Convinced, after World War Two, that we could do no wrong and were invincible; the Vietnam “conflict” taught us otherwise. I don’t think we ever really recovered.
But there has to be a way through for us. We must learn a collective lesson that’s honest, and that allows us to move forward together.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
There's a book by William Gibson called "The perfect War." which talks about in detail the wrongs of the Vietnam war from the top and to the bottom. It was a fascinating read on the structure of how the US adopted a different perspective of war than how it was seen during WW2. It was a way of seeing mass military power and a business mindset being the ultimate tool in winning war. I highly recommend the book or advise you look up the 2 part video interview he did here on UA-cam. Just search Technowar in Vietnam and you'll find two videos on the topic. Hope you enjoy it
The States could have wiped North Vietnam out with nuclear weapons had it wanted but the world was quite different to the one 20 years before.Had North Vietnam been destroyed by the USA; the USSR would have done the same to any ally of the USA , eg: Japan or South Korea.This war as my father said was wage to spend all the weapons America had been making since WWII.To have destroyed North Vietnam would not have been a good business.The losers were the civilians and the soldiers whatever on what side they fought.
great actor, michael j fox, he is just amazing
I always liked this film ever since I caught it late one night on TV almost 20 years ago. I purchased the VHS copy and watched it many times. I could never understand why many people, critics included, didn't like it. It is a unique film for the genre as I have found young women who watch it relate to it as well, a rarity for war films. It has been fascinating to watch opinion change over time from this being perceived as a bad film to now some critics believing it to be one of the best Vietnam war films.
Aside from Platoon, this is the greatest movie ever made
Damn straight.
And Apocalypse Now!
I think Michael made for a more convincing "cherry" who quickly became a seasoned campaigner.
@@rocnoir4233 something about Charlie Sheen that made me couldn't take him seriously. Probably from all those years in Hot Shots and Scary Movie.
I find the logic in this scene interesting. Instead of - we could die any minute etc, therefore we should act crazy & irresponsible & non-careful & our actions don't matter... We could die any minute etc, therefore we should act sane & responsible & careful & our actions do matter. Same premise, but exact opposite conclusion.
I think it provides the litmus test for one's character. And perhaps it explains why the "good die young." They seek to do the right thing according to a higher set of values that likely do not put one's survival at the top, while the "bad, " those focused on taking personal advantage of a situation, need to survive to achieve their goal.
It reminds the dialogue that was held between Fassbender and Blades in "The Counselor" when the first finds out his wife was going to be killed and asks for advice to another lawyer(Blades) and the latter tells him that one's world is made by decisions taken in life and when we cease to exist the world we created it ceases to exist.
The Reagan 80s started with Platoon, this movie, then Born on the Fourth of July to make the enlisted grunts that served in combat in Vietnam finally have their voice heard. I don’t include Full Metal Jacket because it was an anomaly made by Stanley Kubrick.
But of course all three movies made most enlisted grunts serving in combat portrayed as cruel, stupid, uneducated, horrible people with no moral compass or compassion or without a backbone or bravery. There were few people like Sheen, Fox, and Cruise that were the exception.
The real truth was most had graduated high school and many had been to college or graduated.
Because Hollywood is a bunch of holier than thou racist, sexist bigots.
One second he's here talking to him
The next minute hes just......gone.
What the fuck mane 😞
3:43- Most important thing I’ve ever heard.
Brilliant made film deserves more recognition fox and penn brilliant combination true hart smashing story watched it once as young 19 year old. Very thought provoking never watched it since as rape scene is brutal. But if you haven’t seen it it’s a must see film.
Damn Cherry just stepped away two seconds ago 🥺
Eriksson is an ambitious man
I think if i am not wrong the guy that played the cherry starred in a "Law &Order,SVU"'s episode with Lee Ermey.
When stuart little used to be badass
Best scene in the whole movie. His comment at the end is true about every day life
Try to stay out of trouble, try not to be a casualty of war.
Love the ending!!
That's sad about cherry back then there was a draft and anyone like should not even pass the physical
Thanks for posting. Wish I could find a full upload of this movie.
Que saudades gosto muito desse filme
I have never seen this movie and is it very well to watch it for me?
Can pls somebody downloading this best movie.
As said before sad movie but good also. Only, I should not say it, the haircut. I've never understood. It is not that believable. But anyway, doesn't matter in the end. Movies "like this" have at least one important message if anything. Even outside of war, take care of you and others. Not easy to do, but important to try. Cheers...
"Sorry 'bout that."
0:32 - 1:11 Understandable moment.
First Luke skywalker in ww2 , Then ethan hunt now marty mcfly
@pulverized09 Yes. You think Mike should've gotten an nod for this? I do.
3:00
We're getting it backward, man.
Just because each of us might at any second be blown away, everybody's acting like we can do anything, man - that it don't matter what we do.
But I'm thinking maybe it's the other way round. Maybe the main thing is just the opposite, (as) because we might be dead in the next split-second, maybe we gotta be extra careful of what we do. Because maybe it matters more... Jesus, maybe it matters more than we even know.
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War is at the extreme spectrum of the human condition, but this speech applies to the mundane, too. Did one kiss their wife and child this morning? For, in reality, life is precarious, and who knows what might happen to snuff out our existence together.
I wonder how does he memorise lines that fast
@TheGatorfan93 please enlighten us with your wisdom, what is a good war movie for you your Highness?
could anyone please provide the subtitles?
What the hell is that.. poundcake???
I watched in Google ;poundcake was a kinda c- ration , a small cake that was wrapped.
Isn’t “cherry” the derogatory nick name veterans gave to young and unexperienced soldiers?
@TheGatorfan93 I liked the Sean Penn performance, but you have your opinion I respect that, and overall I liked the movie... but I can not accept, and I totally disagree with you about the Master Ennio Morricone music, He is amongst the best if not the best composer of our time
How on earth did that guy make it through basic training?
McNamara's Morons, look it up.
Mcnamara's morons
@PhilipDK5800 Also spells, suprising for Mike's fans, Oscar.
A great movie scene
is it me or is michael fox really short
I wanna know if things happn like this at the army..and why no 1 reported the sargent.?.
Have you watched the movie?
@@PrimitiveFilmGroup yes
3:40
think rapidshare ;-0
This scene was always cheesy to me. Well intended, but "extras".
Im too young for Vietnam, Im an OEF vet. But i doubt things changed all that much....as in when one of your guys hits a mine, you dont take snap shots of him all nonchalant, then leave him there, and...you know...keep walking.
Still love the movie though
@Niz Loc: Then think of this scene as a metaphor for how many innocent people were murdered in Vietnam because others denied the responsibility of helping them. That’s what this film is about.
😢😢😢😢💀💀💀💀
Deff not the best war movie
@pulverized09 Funny?
I’m sorry but MJ Fox is a corny actor! I’m not saying he can’t act, he’s just super corny bro! 🥴
Fox was a poor choice for this film and it clearly shows
Totally disagree. Fox was fantastic. He reached a whole new level with this film. His career was cut short due to illness.
I disagree. I think Fox played this role very well. I loved and sympathize with his character.
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I know people are going to come down on me for this, but I think this particular scene was over-acted. For example, what's with all the laboured breathing, like Fox just ran a marathon, stopped, and then started running again? Also, when he grabs 'Cherry' and tells him to stop bopping around, it didn't come off that effectively. All this doesn't mean I disliked the movie however. It's just that this scene makes me wince. And Fox's speech at the end was far too explicitly moralistic. De Palma should've been able to communicate the message delivered here by Fox by way of the film itself, and not have it literally spelled out for us by Fox.
There are some lines in the movie that seem over dramatic, but then I saw that most of those lines including the one at the end of this that seems explicitly moralistic are actually direct quots from the real Erickson in the interview he did with Daniel Lang for New Yorker magazine. During that interview he used those exact lines about how maybe it matters more because we might die at any time.
Well I'll be damned. I read the same article years ago (2008?) and didn't catch the connection. If you're right, and I suspect you are, then good on you. Keen eye. Astute.
muntu I know what you mean. His speech here, I felt was a bit cheesy.
monalisasmile see pror comments under the reply and if that guy is right to take it up with the real vet him self
I completely disagree. I think it all shows his true character, in that he thinks hardly of the decisions he makes and of the things he says. You see it throughout the entire film, and the real life Eriksson was pretty similar based on what I’ve read. None of it seemed exaggerated, just showing his true self.
Not to mention I literally know people who talk like this in real life lol.
I always hated this scene. It's so badly acted. And easily entertained morons always write dumb sh*t like "so powerful". I love M.J.F., but he makes the same mistake Mark Wahlberg tends to make when he's trying to make a scene intense or dramatic. He confuses breathing hard, with intensity. If you don't agree, watch the clip again and the cliche speech at the end. And this time notice his breathing. It's so forced and over done. He was just standing there. But he's panting like he ran the New York City marathon.
I don’t understand. You haven’t ever seen someone nervous or on the verge of a breakdown? Dude just saw a cherry get blown away, and adrenaline’s pumping through his chest. Which means he’s breathing hard and is obviously struggling to find the right words, which is pretty realistic in my mind.
It makes even more sense since the soldier he’s standing with completely disregards the dead guy as an idiot who didn’t know what he was doing; Hence no nervous and little emotion for what happened to him. He’s completely calm as he speaks to Eriksson.
I can totally emphasize that you don't like one or another particular scene, but when you love a movie as a whole (like I do with Casualties of War) you can forgive it for its small flaws and weaknesses. I think it's a phenomenal movie even though it flew under the radar for most people.
@@USMCLP plus its a 100 degrees wearing full gear.
@@WhiteSlift I dont know .. maybe i am wrong? ...but I think this scene here ... he realized this was the second time he failed at saving some one else who needed help... when he really did have a chance too that time... 😢
You've got it so wrong. 🥲
How did Cherry get past basic training? He certainly didn’t belong in combat. The sargent was right about him.
Makes you wonder how he passed basics?
3:24