Shimano Dura-Ace Vs Shimano Ultegra | What's The Difference?
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- According to Shimano themselves, the new Ultegra groupset is so close to the company's flagship Dura-Ace groupset as to be basically indistinguishable in terms of performance. So, what do you actually get with a Dura-Ace groupset for your extra money?
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If we were blindfolded and put on two bikes, one with Shimano Dura-Ace and one with Ultegra, we'd struggle to tell the difference between them, that's how good the new Ultegra is. Of course we'd also crash...
Dan did a deep dive into the technical specs, and weights of the two groupsets to find out what actually is the difference between them.
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For a sponsored video, this seems rather consumer friendly. Good job GCN.
In sum, don’t waste your money in a Dura-Ace groupset. Buy it only if sponsored
Shimano clearly thinks they'll make more money if you buy ultegra haha
Malandirix , very well-stated comment!
Well only if Shimano would rather sells more ultegra than dura-ace.
Shimano do not need ads for selling their groupsets, shitty SRAM and Campy does the ads for them
I've deeply looked into DuraAce v Ultegra in the past year, including the description of the Shimano specification charts. There are some design differences in the cable STI levers with DuraAce being a pivot bearing system. In my opinion, it is a better mechanical design than the lesser groups. The rim brakes are pretty much only different in material composition to save weight which pretty much describes the whole difference between DuraAce and Ultegra. I also gather that the Ultegra cassette is more robust than duraAce due to its carbon fibre spider. Last fun piece of advice to help make your purchase choice... if you decide to buy DuraAce, don't ever let yourself be dropped by someone riding with Ultegra groupo. The shame of that is far heavier than the 500g between the two!
shimano have realised that realistically not many folks have the funds to go buying Dura-Ace , so are trying to convince the people who would normally buy 105 to upgrade to Ultegra not getting Dura-Ace users to switch down , clever shimano
Evan O'Connor probably
At this point they may be trying their best to protect their market share from SRAM given that etap gets better with every model
dont think shimano really need to worry all that much , a huge majority of their sales and profits are in budget and sub-enthusiast level kit where they absolutely blow everything else out of the water , to be honest i dont think were going to see a real shake up in the market till the whole electronic thing really starts to trickle down. whoever can bring out a budget electronic groupo first will explode in popularity i reckon
Yeah I feel into that trap. Ha ha but I did have 105 10 speed I think that was 5600. But I upgraded to the last ultegra 11 speed. But I run an 11-40t cassette in the rear.
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That was the most interesting comparison between the two I've seen on the internet. I have Ultegra because I'm the Dura Ace was out of my price range. Always wanted DA for the bling-bling but thought that there couldn't be THAT much more performance difference. Now I know. Thank you GCN
Cheers Adam, glad you found it informative.
Dura ace is mostly for professionals and rich MAMILs. Amateur teams usually have ultegra.
Right?! I thought that was fascinating. I knew they were very *close,* but I didn't expect the Shimano Product Manager to essentially say "functionally, they're identical." Very cool!
When it came down to it, Ultegra DI2 cost about the same as DA Mechanical. So what is more bling for your money? For me it was the Ultegra DI2 and Synchroshift.
Adam J. Story, DC theres no point in spending that much unless you can get sponsored or just have too much money.
When are they going to have a review of shimano tourney? It’s the best groupset so far since that is the only thing I have on my bike.
Hahahaha ditto
They suck. Review conplete
Crap
Tourney is almost lowest level in shimno
tourney and claris reviews plz
Ultegra is my go to group set as I simply dont need Dura Ace...probably dont even need Ultegra either
Same here
Heck I don't 'need' bikes, I can just walk.
But having one or a few would be nice so I do.
@Robert Trageser Would just like to say that there is a world of difference between a simple single/fixed gear bike and a decent road bike. I generally commute on my fixie and it takes me about 35 minutes, the odd time I take my road bike it goes down to around 28 minutes.
@Robert Trageser Totally agree! That's why I ride my fixie to work every day
105 is sufficient imo
Just wanted to say thank you for the informative videos. As someone who is transitioning from running to cycling these have been helpful. Cardio has been an important part of my life and with two hip surgeries I can no longer run.
The GCN has been a great deal of help to me deciding on what I need to look at and consider. Thank you again!
I think that Dura Ace is much more expensive not just because of the better materials used but more to do with the initial development costs, I mean every new development comes out first on Dura Ace then the technology is trickled down to Ultegra 105 etc so when buying Dura Ace your paying initially paying for the development and being first to get your hands on new tech.
That would make sense if Dura-Ace were new, but those R&D costs have long paid for themselves. Incremental changes do not require big $ in R&D.
Go Ultegra, spend the difference on wheels, saddle, kit...
podgebrowne and women and boos 😂
one could say the same about 105, i personally started researching dura ace, landed on ultegra and now leaning towards 105 🤣
You would not say that if you were one of those Ultegra owners that had their Hallowtech crank arm snap.....
@@firstname7780 fr? So that explains why I see a lot of cyclist have dura ace crank but the rest of the groupset is ultegra.
This is really true. Snapped 2 ultegra crank arm in a span of 9 months 😆
I have both a full Dura Ace Di2 group set and 105. The only difference I like is the sound Di2 makes when changing gears (insert robotic zutt zutt noise) 😅😎... but seriously do prefer 105 for broader compatibility to climb and sprint.
SAF1981, on a slow and quiet grinding climb, my di2 will always get the attention with the “zutt zutt” noise. Webster has now, a new phrase to define.
Damn GCN. Production value just went up a notch
Cheers Lloydman!
You could’ve just said “weight” is the difference and saved us all.
Since when is the wheelset considered as part of the groupset?? If you take that away then the weight difference is marginal and the value of Dura Ace would be much less. This is a very misleading fact.
the hub.
I noticed, because ultegra is 2600 gram and dura ace 2400 gram (disc brake).
Saving weight it is more noticeable on the rims (rotational weight), when accelerating and braking for example.
I've always gone for the 2nd tier group-sets (XT vs XTR, Ultegra vs Dura-Ace) as I've feel that the law of diminishing returns kicks in big time. Thanks for confirming my suspicion.
Dura-Ace: for rich guys
Ultegra: for others
*cries in tourney~
dura ace also gets a year in advantage .
whenever there is something new, dura ace gets it first, the equivalent version of ultegra comes at least a year later, followed by 105 which may even take longer.
Ultegra: for wealthy bois
105 for others.. Or Tiagra to be honest for most
@@mantiq7768 exactly
A thousand souls screamed when they saw you touching the disk brakes like that.
I have a stock cervelo r2 with the already „old“ shimano 5800 105 groupset, the only upgrade i made are some nice vision carbon clinchers, just for the shiny looks.
Even the 105 performs flawless, there is no need for anything else. I‘m thinking of installing the complete ultegra r8000 because it‘s new and shiny, but it‘s hard to justify.
Nice and honest video gcn 👍🏻
Thanks Hans!
Thanks Dan, well done clarity on purpose . Good stuff GCN as always
8:15 „About what button does what.“ THE top reason for me to love my Ultegra DI2. I programmed my right lever buttons to switch to heavier gears and my left lever buttons to go to easier gears, front button for front, back button for rear. That means that if I am on the drops, I can still from any position still reach at least the back button without reaching for it, so shifting the rear to a faster (right) or slower (left) gear is always possible.
And you never have to think much: Right go faster, left go steeper.
Ultegra is the groupset to go obviously (specially now that it can take a 34t cassette) but I will always lust over Dura Ace tho
Doesn’t the new dura ace have one rear mech only? No longer needing short medium or long?
Troy, DA has only a short cage one. For larger sprockets than 30T you would need to buy an Ultegra RD-GS.
I lusted over the new Dura Ace and bought the mechanical R9100 derailleurs and crankset last year. I was previously using Ultegra 6800. The shifting on the DA front mech is better than on the old Ultegra, but I doubt it is better than the new Ultegra. I have to confess bling does have some appeal to me and also the fact that you feel you have 'arrived' when you have the best. (By the way, I did not get DI2, because I do not ever want to be dependent on a battery for cycling.)
I also have a list for dura ace, but not enough money. Solution: R8000 groupset and a pair of R9100 wheels. Thus I have huge "dura-ace" fonts on my bike and still some money for food and rent.
@@Edmond347 I have adjusted my cable tension once in the year I have had it. I said earlier that I do not ever want to be dependent on a battery for cycling". If you remove, or do not recharge your battery, you cannot go out cycling (unless you want to be stuck in one gear); therefore, you are dependent on a battery - which is what I said. Logic is not your forte, it appears. I have heard of various people who either have, or know of someone who have, forgotten to charge their batteries and suffered because of it. If you wish to run electronic shifting, I have no problem with it; but until I am compelled to, I will adhere to mechanical, which serves me fine.
That was interesting. I am never going to ride a dura ace, but I might upgrade from a 105 to an Ultegra. A video like this explaining the difference between 105 and Ultegra would be interesting.
Agree with all the comments here, this was a fantastic dive into the difference on a consumer-friendly level. It's something I had a hunch on but that was a great look into the actual details. Thank you GCN! You are appreciated!
Cheers Bryen!
Great video!
I have Ultegra R8000, it's a step up from 6800. Love nerdy cycling component videos :)
Since I'm not racing for cash, I did both my bikes in full Ultegra. The one exception is on the disc bike I put a DA rotor on purely for looks because at my source the price difference was tiny and the black temp fins look much better (IMO). Would have been nice to see the weight difference without the wheels - I don't know too many people running those wheels, but nearly everybody is running Shimano group sets otherwise. I seem to remember the difference being between 300 and 400 grams for mechanical.
Haha, I did exactly the same thing. The DA discs were actually at the same price as Ultegra when I bought them. The black discs look like something Batman would ride. :D
Fairly balanced. I would like to see something similar between Campagnolo Chorus and Super Record or more interestingly, Super Record vs Dura Ace.
Back in 2000 I used Ultegra and Campag Chorus but things have moved on so much! No disc brakes unless you had a MTB and wheels were Mavic Helium or Zipp 404. Marco Pantani was alive and unwell and can you beat that battle between him and Armstrong in the mountains in the TDF in 1998...was it 1998? Drugs or no drugs that was great viewing! This video is nostalgic for me and I like it!...Get the Dura Ace if you can afford it and pull in a bit of overtime. It's your passion and you know you'll sleep better!
I have a Scott Solace 20 with the Ultegra groupset, and I'll never need to upgrade. As a matter of fact, I downgraded the front derailleur to the 105 and here's why: The Ultegra derailleur constantly needed adjusting due to all the sweat it collects and I found this unacceptable. I've ridden thousands of miles on 105 derailleurs and they never needed adjustments, they're more of a workhorse than the Ultegra. Unless you're a 140 pound pro rider, you don't really need more than Ultegra, and with the new 105 set, you'd probably be just as happy with those.
Keep in mind there's two variants of the 105 FD's on the market. FD-5801 is the new version.
Shimano 105 R7000 will debut in June. Supposedly the 11 speed cassette will be backward compatible with 10-speed wheelsets. So if you want to upgrade your bike to Ultegra or Dura Ace, you can use a 105 cassette and still use your old wheels.
Good to know I have the Ultegra Groupset!!! Thanks for saving me from spending more money. You lot, are the best.
If put a rider on a bike very few could say which group they were riding without looking down. They sell Dura-Ace mainly by innovating there first then let the new features trickle down to ultegra and 105.
I just love that you are completely honest when it comes to paid promotions and ads. unlike most other bike channels that will even (presumably) lie to you in the comments. love your stuff, keep at it
Love the detailed explanation, thanks again and happy easter
The fact about the law of diminishing returns is true. Got a used TT bike with the entire 7900 Dura Ace groupset for $800.
This video was published two years ago, I've visited it more than once, and now for a reply... When I started seriously riding bicycles, then racing after I stopped competing as a sprint distance runner after college (early 1980s), I learned why better gear was better; and there was pretty much only the good stuff, and everything else was far behind. Ramping up to real training and racing mileage (approx. 1K miles/month), with the mileage and load on the gear, we'd wear stuff out with entry level gear very quickly. Brake pads, chains, chainrings - yes, all the regular consumables - but also derailleur pivots, bearings/bearing races, bent axles. Stuff would just fall apart.
The "good" stuff lasted, it was rebuildable, small parts were actually available for ready repair, and it worked all the time, every time. At this time, this was mostly the better Campagnolo kit (for me this was Campagnolo Super Record; gorgeous styling, flawless bearings, worked terribly poorly), then Shimano changed the game entirely, leaving everyone to catch up for the next decade, with the introduction of the "New" Dura-Ace group, the 7400-series stuff. It was a paradigm shift.
By the late-1990s, using most typically Dura-Ace and Ultegra (having long lost the 600 rubric and many other peripheral Shimano model lines having fallen away), the Ultegra kit had become excellent, a far ways better than the decent painted 600 stuff that came before. It was REALLY good. Today, almost even the most humble SRAM, Campy, or Shimano stuff is really good. It's better than ever.
I have Dura Ace 9100 with rim brakes on my older Trek Madone and Ultegra with disk brakes on my new Niner gravel bike. Both group sets shift just fine but Dura Ace is way better with smoother and quicker shifting.
I have the new Dura Ace DI2 Disc set up, thus far I have returned for exchange (under warranty) both the front and rear derailleurs. Now do not get me wrong, the performance of the system is flawless. However the durability of the system is to be questioned. With respect to the front deraileur I was cycling up an incline and shifted from big to small ring, when I attempted to shift back up, the mech made the shifting buzz but the shift did not occur. There is a little bone shaped arm that connects the servo motor to the chain guide and lo and behold it had broken, snapped off at the joining bold. I was not shifting under power, I was not holding down the lever, it was a normal shift. As for the rear derailleur, I was unpacking my bike from its travel bag, the rear end slipped and fell maybe an inch unto a wooden floor. Guess what happened, yep, rear derailleur snapped clean through. This sort of thing was unimaginable when I was on mechanical ultegra. My advice, if you are unsponsored, or you travel with your bike, or you are clumsy, go with Ultegra.
I have not watched the review yet, but I just wanted to say that I have had the 11-speed Ultegra Di2 on my bike for over 33,000 miles now (I ride a LOT), and not one single thing ever has gone wrong with it, except that the rubber brake hoods are good and worn.
I let he battery get low 3 times over all those miles, which limited my shifting exclusively to the tear derailleur. I never ran completely out of battery charge.
Holy ... At 5:45, Dan was holding the wheel at the disk brake (which can bend it), with bare hand !
to make it simple imo : the diffrence is 3,000 $ 😉
GCN (and GMBN) have the best promoted content on YT. Those videos are as viewer-friendly and satisfying to watch as any of their videos.
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don’t forget gtn
Ultegra is my go-to-groupset. Although not bad 105 just isn't up to snuff and the difference in shifting performance is felt between 105 and Ultegra. When buying my new bike I was testing the two head to head. The 105 came in the color combination I really wanted, but I ended up going for the Ultegra version in more plain colors because I just did not like the feeling of shifting 105 and then going back to Ultegra and noticing a different feel and sound.
I realize that Shimano is your sponsors but a interesting video would be the difference between Durable Ace and Campy Super Record
Cassettes such as 12-28 are a DA-exclusive, as are chainring pairs like 54/42. The second lowest difference after 46/36, which in turn DA doesn't have.
And, inevitably, 105 and ultegra!
105 full black is SO pretty! Isn't that most of the argument?! =)
When I bought my last road bike, a Trek Madone, about 8 years ago, I could have initially upgraded to Dura Ace from Ultegra, but since the bike was going to be used to do a cross country journey, I was informed that the choice of gearing would be restricted due the design of the Dura Ace derailleur. The gearing was already pretty limited on Ultegra compared to the 105 triple I had on my former bike, but to be further limited was not going to work. Even the Ultegra compact double proved to be a challenging setup for me, particularly in the Rockies, but I survived. Additionally, I went over the handlebars a few years ago and upon close inspection of the bike discovered I had bent a crank arm. A very expensive replacement! I can only imagine what a Dura Ace crank arm would have set me back. The Ultegra group has been flawless and I now realize how unnecessary the upgrade would have been.
I have Ultegra Di2 on my bike. Its performance is amazing. I couldn't imagine anything better, so it is good to know that impression is not too far off.
Tip top feature Lloydy! Really interesting and informative - of course psychology is key too. While I now know that Ultegra (less weight) is so close to Dura Ace I would still want Dura Ace! I've just got to stop falling off the bike as much before I buy!
April fool. Dura Ace makes you 57% quicker.
that's only unlocked by using the right pair of pro cycling socks.
also if the frame weight 3 kg.
Infidel Gastro actually after months of non stop research it now depends on how many times you said , “carbon is nice” . Every time you say it the groupset gets 1% faster for 24 hours
My christian friend claims the soul weights in at 21 grams or so. Im now converted atheist to allow me to shave off that 21 gram
This is crazy honest. Props to Shimano for actually telling the truth about the functionality vs price
Chauncey Lockwood the year of release is different. R9100 came out in mid 2016,
and R8000 came out in mid-2017.
if a new set of Dura Ace comes out this year, it will surely outperforms everything R8000 has, and Ultegra will have to wait til next year to get a new set that has equal functionality.
R9100 is really getting "old" now, as the technology used on it is now pretty much being adapted even in R7000, which is released in 2018.
What GCN didn't tell you was that Ultegra components last significantly longer than dura ace due to the heavier materials used.
Ultegra the way to go with the bigger cassette and cage plus the durace spider doesn't look cool like it did on the 9000. Also, doesn't the 9100 cassette still have creaking carbon spider problems?
Great video. I have the new Ultegra 8000 series on my Domane SLR 6 Di2 variant. Phenomenal. As close to Pro Level as one can get. For a non Pro cyclist like myself, this setup is more than I need... I'm sure the new 105's are great also, yet no Di2...
Thanks 4 doing this comparison. So many times people think they need to buy the most expensive, . But clearly u can buy affordable and get amazing performance for the price. Asking questions and watching the great and informative videos by gcn help cyclist to be informed and make smart buying choices for bikes. Thanks again. Marketing is such a deceptive thing, that and peer pressure to. " Get out their and ride"
I like how Dan's question is why is ultegra so much cheaper instead of asking why dura ace is so much more expensive
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Not just "stealth" black. Black both absorbs AND emits radiant heat better. So a black coating on the brake rotors will actually improve the heat dissipation, rather than just being a colour choice!
Did not include review of chains. Did not mention difference in available chain ring combinations. Ultegra - 50-34T 52-36T 53-39T 46-36T. DA - 53-39T 52-36T 50-34T. Previous versions of DA included 55/42T. Has Shimano intentionally eliminated extreme sizes to make the two groups, although not the same, more alike?
The big different between the group sets is the manufacturing location. Saving a lot when manufacturing in Malaysia vs Japan.
Very small change in materials.
Thanks guys for this video! I was searching yesterday for something in this direction but I didn‘t find anything helpful like this :)
Glad we could be of help Sandro!
Something to throw in the mix, wear rate, been told, don't know if a myth that more expensive wear faster. A veteran mate that used to TT against Tom Simpson said "loose the fat and you will fly" If I had the money though I would buy the best. I ride with 105 on my winter bike & its great & Sram force on my summer best, like chalk & cheese. Another thing if we ride just for fun do we need the best of the best, suppose its nice to have a bit of bling. Nice one Dan.
hi, surprised you didnt look at the bearings... all bearings are not the same... in terms of performance this.must be one of the most important differences... would have been interesting to hear what the Shimano rep would have said on this point...
I always thought the difference between DA vs Ult was DA used ceramic bearings in their RD whereas Ult did not...
As to the disc rotors. How can the two rotors be functionally equivalent if the ultegra lacks the heat dissipating coating? Surely the Dura Ace ones perform better under high heat? Or why bother with the coating?
My next frame will very likely be titanium, and I intend to build it from the ground up. I am a 105 stalwart..but that seemed a little "low end" even for me. And it's not the high upfront cost of DA that turns me off either; it's the high long term upkeep cost.
However, if as Dan alluded to, there may eventually be the same type of parity between 105 and Ultegra, then I may be able to justify going back and forth between 105 and Ultegra once I do build up my next bike. Particularly as cassettes, chains, and rings need replaced.
My groupset is a Tiagra groupset with dura ace 7900 jokey wheels, dura ace chain rings, a dura ace cassette and dura ace chain, paid£450 for it all together in a sale and I can't tell the difference between that and my 11 speed full dura ace group set that cost almost £1000
Last weekend I went to check some ultegra equipped bikes at the largest trek store in here. I wanted to touch and see the STIs since I had ordered myself a pair and was impatient for the arrival. I got a big disappointment, because the ones mounted on the bikes there felt and looked "plasticky", cheap and flimsy. The 105 STIs looked and felt much better. For a moment I felt regret of ordering ultegra instead of 105. But when mine arrived I opened the box and fortunately, my ultegra STIs looked and felt freaking awesome. They were beautiful, robust and seemed tip-top quality. I don't know if this is an issue, but there might be different levels of manufacturing qualities within the same tier of Shimano components. My STIs were manufactured in Japan. I don't know where the store's were manufactured but the difference was abysmal.
Something to add here is the quality of cassettes: the DA 9100 has the same riveting issues as the 9000; I've now gown through 2 DA cassettes both of which failed after ~1000 and ~300 miles, respectively as the rivets develop play and makes a terrible creaking. The Ultegra version is more solidly built and does not have this issue. As far as the cassettes go, the Ultegra has it is quality and only weights ~60-80s grams more. It is pretty wild that Shimano did not fix this issue with the 9000 > 9100 upgrade as the 9000 were notorious for this as well.
So in summary: If you want the benefit of Dura-Ace at the price point of Ultegra I suggest you get Ultegra and go on a diet.
Great video. Even for those who purchase a Dura Ace build, it will eventually become part Ultegra when it comes time to replace the rear cassette. :) The new Ultegra shifters being the only ones with the adjustability is very interesting and I could see that being an important reason to choose Ultegra over Dura Ace.
really awaited video, but finally delivered by GCN
still riding 105 here… but maybe ultegra on the next bike
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I was under the impression that the grips on the levers is and feels better/different than Ultegra, inclusive the adjustment of the reach. I was considering Dura Ace shifters for that reason, feedback appreciated. Love your show!
I dont understand. The official statement is that dura ace supports u to 30t cassette but some sites and reviews claims that it goes u to 32t. What is the correct answer :) ?
I'm on my first road bike and I want a new groupset. I have some old 2x8 claris now and it's god awful. I've demo'd 105 and tiagra and don't really feel a difference. Should I spend my $500 budget on a used bike with 105 or tiagra, or buy a brand new group?
+1 for wanting the weight of the 2 groupsets without the wheels. Did you say the Ultegra wheels are 300g more than the DA ones? If the total difference including the wheels is 500g, then that would mean the groupsets only differ by 200g, but I don't think that's right?!
Heyyy, Campagnolo Super Record 12s vs Shimano Dura Ace 12s
GCN, your videos are superior to all the other videos on bicycling.
Yes there is a significant difference:
the plastics of the dura ace are more durable (the cover on my 3 month old Ultegra di2 front derailleur has already cracked).
Very informative, thanks Dan!
the r8000 is so amazing (especially the rim Brakes) i don´t see a Point to upgrade to dura ace (until i am starting with races)
Honestly the most informative video you guys have ever produced!
Thanks Oscar!
It would be interesting to see the difference between 9050 and 8050. I'd not be surprised to see current Ultegra equal to previous generation Dura-Ace.
I WANT Ultegra, I truly do. But even if Im halfway honest with myself, I cant see the argument to upgrade. And Im on TEN SPEED 105. Not the shiny new 105, nor 5800. 5700. 5700, good ol 10speed 105, is basically antiquated technology in the world of cycling tech. But it performs so god damn flawlessly, that seemingly the only way Im upgrading, is when I get a new bike. Im riding a 2014 Cannondale Synapse, Carbon 5 with upgraded wheel, Campagnolo Zonda c17, which are ridiculously light for thier price point, only 1540g for the pair. LOVE THEM.
Ive been thinking about upgrading the whole bike, possibly keeping the wheels, for the spring 2019 riding season. in which case Im sure Ill spring for an Ultegra, Disc, equipped new bike. But. upgrading just the groupset.. Cant do it.
I enjoy the videos but I'd like to get information about durability. It seems to me that durability should be a significant of a consumers purchasing concerns.
The shimano 11 spd mechanical shifters seem to be designed to fail at some point, either in a clash(bracket body can't even withstand small impacts) or due to weak flimsy springs and soft plastic used in the internal mech.
Both Dura-ace 9100 and Ultegra R8000 im using,i have to say the only different between them is the weight,like 500g.the speed that you change the gear is cleary same.
if you are not a pro racer or super lightweight bike mania , just go ultegra.
My takeaway is if you want high performing equipment get ultegra unless you have money to burn and are really going to need that weight difference. It's good to know so you don't spend too much time wishing you had Dura ace.
Will you be doing a video for ultegra vs 105?
they might wait until Shimano update 105 this year.
So... For most people's uses the more flexible, and cheaper, Ultegra will do the job better; however, if you are a top of the tree Sprinter, and are prepared to spend more for a few more saved seconds, then it is worth investing in the Dura Ace.
I think for a professional amateur like me, I will settle for the Ultegra.
I that the best upgrade that I could make for my bike is to lose weight.
Kitty lol ya
If you want a better riding performance, the best way is to lose your weight.
And you can get that by riding more. Win-win!
Ugh, the struggle is real! That would be my best upgrade too... but.. tacos.
A power meter perhaps
Is there any difference in the longevity between the 2, by which I mean which is replaced sooner?
I always assumed more expensive meant better quality (more hard wearing). But I’m learning that’s not necessarily true... sounds like it buys lightness... that may not last as long as Ultegra in real-world high mileage use?
so with it being april 1st, and a year on since that video have to ask hour tridem time trial where? #askgcn
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I enjoyed your Dura Ace vs Ultegra episode. Just ordered PD R8000 Ultegra pedals. The Dura Ace Chainring is most beautiful sexy looking. Well done vs presentation 🚲👍
I just want a new 105 groupset. Needing a long cage and new cranks and don't want to buy the old model. Please have there be a Di2 model!
I'm not sure they got the weight differences right. Like for like Di2 disc versions all available data shows it at around 250g, which is almost all down to cassette and crankset. Shifters actually weightthe same.
I use ultegra with dura-ace crankset and brakes. It works great!
I wish u guys would have looked closely at the hubs.
Another great video 👍👍
can you do 105 vs ultegra?
Luke, 105 is not for racing.
As aforementioned and bellow earlier, not much of the difference. If you want to save weight for a bug buy cassette. 105 is not racing,it should not deter you from racing if you are low on budged. 105 is great anyway. IMHO best value for quality. I am really happy with 105 although having some ultegra components too.
Why isn't it for racing though? I had an Ultegra front deraileur that broke, I replaced it with a 105 and side by side they looked identical, and perform exactly the same on the bike too.
Robert, 105 is too heavy man
A full Ultegra grouspet is 250g lighter and £350 more expensive... I know I'm never going to convince a hardcore weight-shaver otherwise, but... a guy on a 105 groupset who's had one less glass of water that day has already nullified that advantage, unless the £350 he's saved is weighing him down...
If you are a weekend rider, buy 105. Ultegra will not make you faster. You do not need di2 as you will most likely forget to charge it. Also most of you will be over weight, lose the weight on your body and you will be faster without spending any money. Carbon vs Aluminum? Aluminum will do. As long you are not racing, 105 groupset , good Aluminum frame will be enough. some more you can laugh at your mate who spend thousand more then you and is till slower then you.P.s I am talking about weekend warriors. I have heard of people buying $10000.00 usd bike and is afraid to ride it as they do not want to spoilt the look of their bike.
Anyone else rocking that Shimano 2300 bare bottom triple groupset?? (Replaced by Claris lineup) Haha it's been alright for me. Would i notice a worthwhile difference going from 2300 to 105 (5800) groupset?
What about Shimano Sora vs Tiagra vs Altus vs Deore vs Claris etc. I'm not spending 1K on a new groupset