Continental Titan Aircraft Engines - Engine Week 2020
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2020
- Continental Titan Aircraft Engines - Welcome to Engine Week 2020! James (JB) educates us on the "TITAN" line of Experimental Aircraft Engines!
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I was at one time excited about the 340 engine. But you can buy a UL Power 390is 6cyl with FADEC, a lot lighter and a very simple for DIY installation at around the same money. I feel the Titan engine is behind the times, plus it’s pushing 300lbs at flying weight. There 0-200 D 100hp Continental engine is much better suited for the Kit market like a zenith 750. The Titan 320,340 is just to heavy for LSA kits. I’m excited to hear your interview with the 0-200 118hp engines from the boys in Alabama. That’s a engine you can put on a LSA aircraft in my opinion. And not use up all your payload weight. Great interview Brian. But he seemed to dance around some of your questions in my opinion. Wish he would of got into more of the flying weight from Titan.
The 320 or 340 engines are never meant for LSA because they pump out too much HP for the LSA regulation. The criticism is off the mark
Absolutely love your videos have learned so much and very knowledgeable, can’t wait for more to come
Thank You! It helps to get positive feedback here! I appreciate you!
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel hello .im from Vietnamese ..help me ..please for me nowk, that engine how much dolar .tks .
Love this series on engines
Thank You! I have learned so much from it as well!
Another wonderfully informative video. These various engines by different companies are so interesting...thank you for bring this to us...I am not a pilot, but I have always been interested in flying and airplanes. The prices are as widely different as the technology!!!
You are very welcome and THANK YOU for showing up again and again. I appreciate your support!
Learning a lot from these videos. Thanks
Me too! Thanks for taking the time to say hello here!
Thank you so much for putting in the time on such in-depth questions to the engine manufacturers. I would have liked to see Aeromomentum on your list, though. I am seriously considering them for a CH640 type build (4-place low wing) and wish they could either get that AM-20 version up and running, or put a turbo-normalizer on the AM-15 in order to pull a 4 seater around the sky. Their AM-20 (170 hp) page has had "information coming soon" posted on it for over a year....
Engine using lead is so 1960's... ancient technology.. Wish Titan would get into the 2020's..
Not while still referencing the size in 'cubic inches' when the world has been using cubic centimetres (cc)
Im finding this engine week series very informative thanks
Very informative! Thanks for uploading.
Mine is being assembled May 18th. Can’t wait.
Continental has been the engine of choice for many years and they are a solid engines. But they continue to build off a platform that is almost becoming obsolete as other engine builders advance through innovation and rethinking. I just hope Continental doesn’t get left behind as they require their engines to be ran on leaded gasoline’s. The world has moved on in an effort to eliminate lead as a pollutant in our environment and I’m sure the argument will be made that it’s just a small amount but why have any when through design and innovation it can be eliminated all together. When I see the representative of a large company that is there to promote their product and they’re not showing a great amount of enthusiasm during their promotion I get the feeling that the entire company moves at the same pace and this would explain why innovation is slow and production costs are high. The idea of, “We have been doing this for a long time”, comes to my mind thinking that there are a lot of areas in the company that can use improvement or leaning of duplication or fat especially when they produce ever component of their product. I know I sound critical but I’m reminded of working for a large company just like Continental where we would hold production meetings just to discuss the flow of parts. The sad part was that computers track these parts and to me it was a waist for 7 managers to spend 1 hour a day two days a week discussing this flow. And when I asked, why we were doing this the VP replied, because we have always did this. My comment was, but we can all see the production on our screens and when any issues arise we go to the production cell and take care of them. I see large legacy companies have a hard time changing their mindset when I hear, “because we have always done this way” not that this was said but when Continental recommends that you need to run leaded gas through their engines to maintain reliability I think of Buggy Whips. You can make a great Buggy Whip but if they are no longer in demand then being great at making them doesn’t really matter. Tough interview Bryan you had to keep pulling info the entire time. I’m betting they are use to standing up in the production area giving the Continental promotional pitch and having a hard time in 2020 dealing with changes.
You never know what is just around the corner! :-)
The fact that he is referencing the displacement in 'cubic inches' as opposed to the univesally used Cubic Centimetre (cc) should tell you the vintage of this . . .
@@TRPGpilot We still say and use Cubic Inches all the time over here in the USA. Just engine talk friend.
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel I’m glad you said it first.
That may be so and you alone know your viewer demographics but for viewers like me and anyone else outside the USA cc and metric are what is universally utilised and understood. I do enjoy your videos however, thank you, keep uploading more like these and do what you do best.
Great videos, thank you for putting these together. Hope to see a updated video on the Delta Hawk in the next round of videos.
Thanks for stopping by in the comments... I appreciate you taking the time to watch!
No bullshit interview. Great thanks
Thanks!
Was hoping for some 540 info
Thanks for posting this. As I recall, Piper ordered 1200 370’s and Cessna has an STC to install the certified 370’s into the 172’s.
You are very welcome! Thanks for watching!
Cheaper rotax ?
Please go to “Pinnacle engines” so we can see how a continental should be built, they built the engine for the Lancair Super Legacy “One Moment” that won at Reno.
Was Continental taken over by Textron? Because that engine sure looks a lot more like a Lycoming than a Continental.
That’s because they are Lycoming designs.
@@LTVoyager Yes, I can see that. I'm just wondering why they are marketed by Continental, it seems odd.
@@pi.actual I believe it came through their purchase of ECI, but I am not sure their rationale for that acquisition.
I believe it is a bit confusing as well. But I would say that the TITAN line probably used a bit of the best technology and ideas that came from the LEGACY LINE of Aircraft Engines regardless of OEM. Thanks for showing up today everyone! I appreciate your support.
AC-Aero on the horizon?
Not for this season. All has been edited and scheduled. This was a first run TRAIL. So far it looks like there is interest. I will dive in deeper for next year and get more lined up. I didn't even get LYCOMING on here :-O Thanks for watching!
this interview was like pulling teeth !!! lol continental engines has supplied my butt safetly through the air many hours but they need a different spokesperson thats more energetic and really appears to be in love with their product they would do much better in the media!!!11
I try and NOT ask for the SALESMAN. :-)
man sorry for my negativity yu did great he seemed like he didnt want to be there lol
With all due respect, I hope the guy is OK and that will be with us for many, many years to come. Let's just say that I have some medical history in my extended family that makes his demeanor very familiar. I'm glad he seems as energetic as he does.
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Thank You!
Wouldn't the fuel injected have higher hp and far better efficiency?
I have heard both sides of it. There is a SCIENCE to EVERYTHING isn't there. Overall YES fuel injection is more efficient when taking into account all scenarios I believe. Thanks for saying hello!
I will give you the standard engineer’s answer: it depends. I believe the Titan FI is mechanical FI and not modern automotive style EFI. Mechanical FI is only slightly better than a good carburetor. EFI is generally combined with sophisticated electronic ignition and sensors such as knock sensors and is often 10-20% more efficient than a carburetor. So, it greatly depends on whether you are talking mechanical FI or electronic FI.
@@LTVoyager I would have to agree with you there. I visited Airflow Performance a few, several, months ago and got a bit of a education. You get more atomized fuel and fuel delivery to each cylinder and better / equal heat range on heads with FI. You also get a super cooling of the fuel in the jet / venturing effect of a carburetor. Which you dont get with FI. So.... more HP? Maybe not. More efficiency? Let's keep the conversation going. :-)
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel This is a good overview. If our airplanes had full electronic control of ignition and direct injection, we’d likely have 10-20% more efficiency at the same or even higher power output. And we would have greater detonation margin allowing use of auto gas and higher compression ratio which helps power and efficiency.
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Nothing that says that you can’t build that engine with SDS or EFII FADEC. That’s my plan.
Anyone know if you can go to the factory and assemble your engine under their supervision? Or at least watch them assemble your engine?
Just give them a quick call and see about setting it up. Tell them you saw them on here and would like to organize such a thing. Never hurts to ask. Thanks for watching!
Before Covid, Aerosport Power (in Kamloops BC) would do build schools for Superior or Titan engines to your specs (choice of accessories). Probably best to call JB and ask him directly about Titan.
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel I will. I have just finished the empennage parts for my S-21 and will be starting the wings as soon as I get my paint booth build. So, I am a year or more away from engine build, but would definitely like to build my own engine. I am leaning towards Titan as that is the preferred choice of RANS for the S-21 so it has the best FWF support.
Ol mate needs a harmonic balancer.
Vintage style.
No engine week video on aeromomentum, aerovee or jabiru?
I could NOT get to every single one of them this go around. Travel restrictions and our current "situation" also kept me out of actually touring the facilities of many of these companies. I will do my best to add more for next SEASON. Thanks for taking the time to watch.
Aeromomentum looks the more honest offer in this market, high quality, new engines and worthy prices and good feedback for the customers.
I'd love to see a video on Aeromomentum as well!
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel Thank you for compiling this info for all of us! can't wait for the next season, and can't wait for covid to end!
The Continental sales guy couldn't be any less excited to talk about his engines. Surely there is someone working there that actually has some enthusiasm talking about these engines that they could have had do this interview. The poor host is pulling teeth trying to get information about the engines.
Agreed
Sorry guys/gals. It is difficult to be on camera sometimes. I still struggle with it as well. Often in fact. I find it better to NOT always talk to the "SALESMAN" when trying to get true TECHNICAL information. So... not every technical guy is a salesman. :-) Thanks for stopping by in the comments and taking the time to watch today!
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel you Sir, are an excellent fellow.
It's worth noting China owns Continental.... One reason I refuse to go with a Titan engine for my experimental cub build.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Aerospace_Technologies
boo hoo for you . . .
Chinese built experimental airplane engines? No thanks!
I can speak from personal and professional experience, the Chinese do NOT value world class execution. I have traveled to China for over 10 years now to audit Chinese automotive manufacturers. Most of them would not make it in the US. They do not have the expertise and experience of the Industrial Revolution that the US has. They are new to the party and just do not "get it". I would never put one in my bird.
@@thonatim5321 I get what you mean, China (I'm referring to the country, not the ethnicity) simply value profit first above anything else, not to produce the best product, not because they are passionate about engineering, simply just for profit.
Textron owns Lycoming and Continental… and China owns textron, American made engines owned by the Chinese.
The shaking of his head and eye rolling at 23:15 shows his lack of interest or understanding for technology and customer demand. Regular petrol and diesel are far better for reaching a larger market. Much easier for everyone to source, especially here in AUS.
Actually... the shaking of his head is throughout. He has some condition with muscle spasms apparently. We would love to see more companies invest in diesel options of course. Unfortunately it appears that the masses will skip over that to go after Electric Motors instead. Thanks for watching! :-)
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel I am aware of the shaking through out, and I mean no disrespect to that, but at 23:15 it is different. As for electricity, it is still far away. The range is not there and wont be for a while yet. I do have several engine designs myself that I would like to produce that exceed all current engines on the market. Hopefully within 12 months I will have one.
So just a knock off Lycoming then.
Why is it called Continental if they show Lycomings??????
I believe the TITAN LINE is a bit of all LEGACY tech now manufactured under that brand.
I love this series, but these old fossils? Continental should be ashamed to still be selling this ancient 'technology'. Carbs belong in classic cars, not on planes. The fuel injection on these still isn't proper fuel injection is it? They are either throttle body, or analogous to the 1970s Bosch K Jetronic, where the injection is per cylinder, but just continuously sprays fuel. These aren't going to give you the per cylinder mixture control and proper FADEC capabilities. Carbs are nearly a century past their sell by date. This is 2020 and people are still messing with their mixture control. This is ludicrous. Lead should not be needed in any modern engine. My two liter car engine has never been torn down, it's at 207,000 miles, it has never seen lead. I has run to nearly 7,000rpm most days. Due to the amount of time I've spent in traffic it the car has averaged under 40mph. So... that's over 5,000 hours of hard use It has had two water pumps and two sets of spark plugs. These engines cost more than my car, they are almost devoid of modern technology, and yet their arcane technology is accepted as good. I got an oil cooler, alternator, seats, and wheels for that price. Why would anyone do this? Find a decent modern engine.
Go find us a worthy alternative that costs the same, and the world will be knocking at your door. Really
$30k for an 'experimental' engine? I don't want to laugh right in the guys face, but no. Hell no. There is almost no price difference from a certified one. What IDIOT buy these things???
There is SOMETHING for everyone here... I hope. Check out some of the other ENGINE WEEK episodes on here. Hope it helps!
Just got my IO-340 this week and the cost was just under $50k. Ridiculous for 80yr old technology.
$40k+ for that engine. Trying to be nice to you yanks, but you really need to wake up. It's the 21st century, you are making engines that are of a 100-110 year old design. I do wonder what the states would be like if they didnt import engineers from other countries.
Lycoming is similarly priced. What prices are you seeing in your county for comparison and which brand(s). We are always looking to find more options to power Aircraft....reliably.
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel I know Lycoming and Rotax are similarly priced, that is the amazing part. As I said, I will be starting with a Suzuki M13A engine for my helicopter. Price aside for NA being $3k, and turbo being $10K, the engine is a better design than everything on the market from an engineering point of view at least. I will start a channel soon enough showcasing my helicopter and why I chose the M13A. Plan to set altitude (13500m) and speed (360-410km/h) records with it, my heli design is much better than anything on the market also. You can laugh, it will happen. I appreciate the time you put into your channel.
@@chippyjohn1 Please feel free to share your progress as you move forward with your project. Both in the engine and Airframe etc. :-)