So where is the evidence that it's a 4GB stick? You have shown anything in this video other than the design. Can you prove it's fake without taking it apart and drawing a bad conclusion based on what it looks like? outlawedmedia
Andrew English Evidence - only on memory chip, i think those goes up to 16GB. And they won't buy expensive one for crappy flash drive. He needed to check part number of that chip (2:21 - large one) to be ensure.
ArthursHD I bought one of these from Ebay and tested it, it's formatted used exFAT not FAT32 for a good reason too. Anyhow using the tool I have I have been able test the flash drive and it read/writes to it's limit of 256GB. And it has a single memory chip in it.
dhowser2008 You tested it incorrectly! It's not even possible to extend NAND chip above 200GB (largest microSD) with current technology and price of real one is a lot higher. To check real capacity you need to look at partition size (need to be whole disc - rated capacity). If that is ok you can test it with H2testw. Check all available space and you should wait till test ends otherwise results won't be true. Test could take a long time since fake flash-drives use very slow chips.
I sincerely hoped you tried to format the drive to NTFS standards. I find it odd that you claim that it could only be formatted as FAT. Most USB drives I've owned could be formatted to NTFS standards. I still own 10 year old USB sticks...
A computer doesn't check a flash drive to find out the memory capacity, the flash drive is programmed to tell the computer how much memory it has. There are programs you can use to check the actual capacity it you are worried about the legitimacy of your drive. They work by writing a bunch of data to a drive and seeing how much they can retrieve before the file becomes corrupted (the drive ran out of space so the files that were written to it cannot be stored).
These have been sold by the thousands. This originated in China. Some U.S. sellers likely purchased them from China for $15 and sold them for profit. Some U.S. scammer actually posted a video on youtube"this is fake, but you can resell it"
RMPrepUSB has a 'Quick Size Test' which is ideal for testing for fake memory drives and it is pretty quick (much much quicker than H2TESTW)! It does destroy the data though and you need to reformat it after the test has finished. RMPrepUSB can format 256GB as FAT32 (if you really want to!).
It's not fake. You couldn't copy files larger than 4 Gb because it's formatted in Fat32. Format it NTFS and it will take files larger than 4 Gb. The size of the flash drive doesn't say anything about the capacity.
The black blob on the back is very normal for micro electronics. It's not to hide it - well yes but that's factory made. Not by the fraudsters. The 4gb is a fair guess but it would overwrite any old data after that. So just dump an 4.3gb iso on it and see its corrupted.
"....its only plastic..." lol that was very funny, even the genuine Kingston would be "Only Plastic" or where you expecting it to be stainless steel, silver, bronze or Gold? /Jokes Asike/, Downing this fake back to its rightful size is very easy, all what you need is to download gParted ISO (google it) > insert fake USB > boot PC with gParted CD > Switch to USB volume (256GB in this case) > delete partition > create new FAT 3.7GB partition > apply > Reboot > now it shows as 3.7GB on explorer
I would like to share a small story with the small remaining characters left. I got one off eBay as well (Silver in color), and it is lite as well as you demonstrate here, it also has very slow reading/writing speeds (USB 1.1 to be exact), as well as it has an issue saving data, I have been storing files to it, and later come back and they would not be there, I've lot atleast 25GB of files by this, but luckily, they are files I only downloaded anyway :P
Okay I saw a powerpoint about this today... I didn't make the connection before but the PowerPoint had mentioned that the firmware was hacked in counterfeit 512GB. What I though they meant was they were relabeling generic flashes for the device IDs. However, here it looks like they're not only doing that but adjusting the memory size in flash, correct? In other words, there's far less capacity than 512GB, am I right? What is the actual size of these then out of curiosity....
255 of 255 should be a clue as well. what humans count as 1GB is not what the computer counts as 1GB, below is the ratio: 1,000 bytes =1,024 bytes on a computer. this is why a 250GB shows up as less, same with the above 256GB stick, i cant do the math in my head but is should show as a 220 and some change
@amgudboy The seller was very nice and paid me back in full. I'm sure he lost his shirt on the transaction. Ebay helped me though, so don't worry too much if you feel you're getting scammed
I have in my hands a 256GB Kingston datatraveler 300. It turns out it has a toshiba tc58nvg4d2eta00 chip, that i think its just a 2GB !!! Great drive, it went directly to the trash can !!!
I've also seen a Data Traveler 101 - supposedly 128 GB, but 16 GB in reality. Extremely slow write performance was also a giveaway (4 MB/second writing is way too slow for a large drive like that) - just as the shoddy build quality. And indeed the capacity shown in the OS of 128 GB insted of the more normal bit lower figure.
I know I did receive fake SanDisk Cruzer Blade flash drives that had a similar problem, but when ejecting it in Windows, it would show "Eject Generic USB Storage" (or something like that) instead of "Eject Cruzer Blade".
If it holds memory, it isnt fake. If it holds memory but not the memory it said on the box, then its semi fake. If it holds no memory and is hollow on the inside, then its a USB FlashDrive case. Like an iPhone case but for flashdrives
the method of calculation is very easy...you take 256GB and make this operation: (256 x 1000 x 1000 x 1000) ...the result is divided by 1024 --- 3 times. So multiply by 1000 3 times, then divide by 1024 3 times...Result is 238.4GB
Jjust open up diskpart, select the appropriate disk (list disk, select disk 2 or whatever), "clean", then create a new partition in diskmgmt.msc. What they're basically doing is put a fake partition table on the drive that lies about its own size. So flush the current partition table down the toilet, create a new one, and you'll get the real size.
I've got my brothers 1Tb flashdrive and OMG! what a pain in my butt. When I go to create a folder and open it, it has all kinds of weird computer language crap. Don't even try to copy a folder with data in in it cause that won't happen, it'll copy folder but no data. Tried everything to get this thing to copy all his games over to it, I have totally given up after over a week of wasting my time. No more PERIOD.
as soon as you plugged it in and its called "KING" that would worry me straight away! genuine would say datatraveller.... i do like some chinese fakes. but when it comes to memory it annoys me that there is 10,000's of fake kingston/samsung/seagate/sandisk etc drives
I had bought a 128 GB San-disk pen drive and i was quite scared but luckily it turned out to be genuine. It was overall 119 GB space and it cost me around 60 dollars. Using it for around more than a year now.
s7w2a but i purchased it in Jan 2013 then after a year and half it went bad but was under warranty so i got another replacement 128 gb from sandisk which i am now using
Am i the most naive person here? I bought 2TB USB via AliExpress with all the symptoms like in this video description above. I should know better. 10$ for 2 TB SONY USB (size 2cm/1 inch) ... soooo naive... People learn from my mistakes !!!
I bought 2 TB USB too. For $19 on ebay. It works.....till 14 GB. After that everything gets deleted after I unplug the USB haha. Now I feel pretty stupid.
There's so much fake memory on ebay I got my fingers burnt with shitty slow micro SD cards. I need some flash drives to store video, but in light of past experience I am very wary. I mean: 64Gb for 8.99 & 128Gb for 9.49 UK Pounds?? I thought the going rate was typically around 1.00 UK pound/Gb of storage space. This from a UK seller of what looks like generic stock, so you still have to be wary wherever you are buying from. Did you run 'H2testw on this flash drive before taking the craft knife to it? I have downloaded this utility. You would hope that if a seller is legit they would test their stock or permit a return. A reason why you should not buy from the Far East. What the hell do you do if it isn't legit? Any UK 'Tubers know what is the average price/Gb for flash drives? Just wanting more guidance on sniffing out the dodgy stuff..........
I've seen plenty of USBs dismantled (yes I've dismantled some) that USB board is not even close to looking like a 64 gigabyte USB stick, let alone 256, this is clearly a 4 Gigabyte Ripoff
i opened my 8gb kingston data traveler after it failed. and in it their was a black square that said toshiba and had the usb connection on the end is this normal?
i just got 1 of that from ebay too for $55 i didn't open it up, but it does store way more than 4gb. i put psp games, ds games, movies, musics & photo. estimated gb that i put is 50gb. So it's not so bad
Bought a 64GB E9 G2 supposedly USB3, turns out the volume size is correct but is only USB2, quite obviously a fake to anyone who knows the true artical. So be careful out there buyers.
Sorry man. You are proving nothing here. Size in electronics means nothing. I don't know if you did it out of the camera or not, but the only way you can prove if the whole storage capacity is usable is loading it up. If you can explain this, please do it.
Billy O'Reilly There is very few fake things. You just have to be careful, and buy from good sellers (over 1000 items sold, with no negative reviews that the product is a bootleg
Hi there i will explain something about fake memories they use mostly VIRTUAL memory its like you have with 4Gb and the VIRTUAL memory gives other missing 252 Gb from Hard Drive read about that my friend bought in china in 2005 and he was happy hi bought very cheap and when he got usb and sd memory cards almost he got heart attack he lost lot of money because of VIRTUAL trick i hope this will help to some off you to understand.
Yeah, just recently I bought a PNY 256GB SDXC card from BHphotovideo and a Lexar 64GB SDXC I got from ebey turned out to be real, I tested the whole capacity.
It would have been smarter if you just loaded the drive you could have defused so much debates. This information is nearly a waste of time for evidence. If you filled the card up it would have done all of us a great favor but you kind of did the opposite and now you have allot of confused people who can hardly determine the accuracy of this information. Plus most people are not remotely tech smart and struggle with basic tech information. Next time just load the card so you can save us all time and headache.
Its amazing how you can "Feel" its a 4 Gig by looking at it!! YOu should be recruited by the CIA!
Paul Langton-Rogers very valid points.
you my friend are my kind of person
+Paul Langton-Rogers What weight more? A newly formatted 256GB flash drive or a flash drive with 256GB of information stored on it?
So, according to you, 4GB of NAND should weigh the same as 256GB. Because NAND is some magical gas living inside your plastic enclosures. Right?
Fuck the CIA
The conclusion is, you FEEL it NOT 256GB but not tested it?
memory size does not depend on fisical size
So where is the evidence that it's a 4GB stick? You have shown anything in this video other than the design. Can you prove it's fake without taking it apart and drawing a bad conclusion based on what it looks like? outlawedmedia
Andrew English Evidence - only on memory chip, i think those goes up to 16GB. And they won't buy expensive one for crappy flash drive. He needed to check part number of that chip (2:21 - large one) to be ensure.
ArthursHD I bought one of these from Ebay and tested it, it's formatted used exFAT not FAT32 for a good reason too. Anyhow using the tool I have I have been able test the flash drive and it read/writes to it's limit of 256GB. And it has a single memory chip in it.
dhowser2008 You tested it incorrectly! It's not even possible to extend NAND chip above 200GB (largest microSD) with current technology and price of real one is a lot higher.
To check real capacity you need to look at partition size (need to be whole disc - rated capacity). If that is ok you can test it with H2testw. Check all available space and you should wait till test ends otherwise results won't be true. Test could take a long time since fake flash-drives use very slow chips.
That drive is a fake. It is reading 255GB when it should say 238GB. No flash drive shows 255GB, it's the dead give away for a fake drive.
It is amazing this particular model is STILL in auction on ebay, Does seem to look exactly the same. Thanks for uploading this clip.
I sincerely hoped you tried to format the drive to NTFS standards. I find it odd that you claim that it could only be formatted as FAT. Most USB drives I've owned could be formatted to NTFS standards. I still own 10 year old USB sticks...
A computer doesn't check a flash drive to find out the memory capacity, the flash drive is programmed to tell the computer how much memory it has. There are programs you can use to check the actual capacity it you are worried about the legitimacy of your drive. They work by writing a bunch of data to a drive and seeing how much they can retrieve before the file becomes corrupted (the drive ran out of space so the files that were written to it cannot be stored).
These have been sold by the thousands. This originated in China. Some U.S. sellers likely purchased them from China for $15 and sold them for profit. Some U.S. scammer actually posted a video on youtube"this is fake, but you can resell it"
The packaging looked legitimate enough. It's possible that the seller is a reseller and just relaying the product.
RMPrepUSB has a 'Quick Size Test' which is ideal for testing for fake memory drives and it is pretty quick (much much quicker than H2TESTW)! It does destroy the data though and you need to reformat it after the test has finished. RMPrepUSB can format 256GB as FAT32 (if you really want to!).
That little guy is probably the usb controller chip. The NAND chip is the big one covered on the other side from the looks of it.
Another red flag is that the capacity shown as WAY too close to the 256 specified. Data sold and portrayed is always different.
It's not fake. You couldn't copy files larger than 4 Gb because it's formatted in Fat32. Format it NTFS and it will take files larger than 4 Gb. The size of the flash drive doesn't say anything about the capacity.
man ty so much u save my day. I had thought mine was fake too
The black blob on the back is very normal for micro electronics. It's not to hide it - well yes but that's factory made. Not by the fraudsters. The 4gb is a fair guess but it would overwrite any old data after that. So just dump an 4.3gb iso on it and see its corrupted.
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"....its only plastic..." lol that was very funny, even the genuine Kingston would be "Only Plastic" or where you expecting it to be stainless steel, silver, bronze or Gold? /Jokes Asike/, Downing this fake back to its rightful size is very easy, all what you need is to download gParted ISO (google it) > insert fake USB > boot PC with gParted CD > Switch to USB volume (256GB in this case) > delete partition > create new FAT 3.7GB partition > apply > Reboot > now it shows as 3.7GB on explorer
@OutlawedMedia Have got any more news on this? Fix the actual size whatever it may be?
All I saw was Windows saying it was legit, and then you taking it out of the shell. No further facts were provided or shown
i've worked in IT for years and its rare to find a memory stick that isnt plastic
I would like to share a small story with the small remaining characters left. I got one off eBay as well (Silver in color), and it is lite as well as you demonstrate here, it also has very slow reading/writing speeds (USB 1.1 to be exact), as well as it has an issue saving data, I have been storing files to it, and later come back and they would not be there, I've lot atleast 25GB of files by this, but luckily, they are files I only downloaded anyway :P
A genuine Kingston 256GB drive will only show as 238GBs anyway.
Even the fakers get gready by making it show as 256.
Okay I saw a powerpoint about this today... I didn't make the connection before but the PowerPoint had mentioned that the firmware was hacked in counterfeit 512GB. What I though they meant was they were relabeling generic flashes for the device IDs. However, here it looks like they're not only doing that but adjusting the memory size in flash, correct? In other words, there's far less capacity than 512GB, am I right? What is the actual size of these then out of curiosity....
How do you know that is 4 GB? Post some close up photos perhaps we can see chip numbers to do more digging
thats a 4 gb usb I've seen 4 GB usb internals, they look way too much alike not to be 4 gigabytes
It only feels lite because it hasn’t got any files on it. If you put files on it, it will get heavy
255 of 255 should be a clue as well. what humans count as 1GB is not what the computer counts as 1GB, below is the ratio:
1,000 bytes =1,024 bytes on a computer.
this is why a 250GB shows up as less, same with the above 256GB stick, i cant do the math in my head but is should show as a 220 and some change
Thanks. I was so close buy this. It look real but I aware many people say its fake.
It is $15 each for 256GB
255GB free of 255GB? :DDDDD you can see it's fake only by looking at these numbers in my computer screen.
@amgudboy The seller was very nice and paid me back in full. I'm sure he lost his shirt on the transaction. Ebay helped me though, so don't worry too much if you feel you're getting scammed
I have in my hands a 256GB Kingston datatraveler 300. It turns out it has a toshiba tc58nvg4d2eta00 chip, that i think its just a 2GB !!! Great drive, it went directly to the trash can !!!
You dont have to open it and see if it's fake, You can just run the H2TESTW 1.4 programm from your P.C. and shows you exactly if it's real or fake!
I've also seen a Data Traveler 101 - supposedly 128 GB, but 16 GB in reality. Extremely slow write performance was also a giveaway (4 MB/second writing is way too slow for a large drive like that) - just as the shoddy build quality. And indeed the capacity shown in the OS of 128 GB insted of the more normal bit lower figure.
I know I did receive fake SanDisk Cruzer Blade flash drives that had a similar problem, but when ejecting it in Windows, it would show "Eject Generic USB Storage" (or something like that) instead of "Eject Cruzer Blade".
If it holds memory, it isnt fake.
If it holds memory but not the memory it said on the box, then its semi fake.
If it holds no memory and is hollow on the inside, then its a USB FlashDrive case.
Like an iPhone case but for flashdrives
Microsoft needs to update Windows in order to identify those fake flash drives
the method of calculation is very easy...you take 256GB and make this operation: (256 x 1000 x 1000 x 1000) ...the result is divided by 1024 --- 3 times.
So multiply by 1000 3 times, then divide by 1024 3 times...Result is 238.4GB
do you really believe that the seller didn't know it was fake? i bet you he knew it and just acted surprised
"it had its firmware changed to look like 256gb"
Why would it read 256gigs on your computer if it wasn't a 256gig flash drive? Could it just not be working correctly
Jjust open up diskpart, select the appropriate disk (list disk, select disk 2 or whatever), "clean", then create a new partition in diskmgmt.msc.
What they're basically doing is put a fake partition table on the drive that lies about its own size. So flush the current partition table down the toilet, create a new one, and you'll get the real size.
I've got my brothers 1Tb flashdrive and OMG! what a pain in my butt. When I go to create a folder and open it, it has all kinds of weird computer language crap. Don't even try to copy a folder with data in in it cause that won't happen, it'll copy folder but no data. Tried everything to get this thing to copy all his games over to it, I have totally given up after over a week of wasting my time. No more PERIOD.
That's assuming all flash drives were totally cutting edge.
as soon as you plugged it in and its called "KING" that would worry me straight away! genuine would say datatraveller.... i do like some chinese fakes. but when it comes to memory it annoys me that there is 10,000's of fake kingston/samsung/seagate/sandisk etc drives
I had bought a 128 GB San-disk pen drive and i was quite scared but luckily it turned out to be genuine. It was overall 119 GB space and it cost me around 60 dollars. Using it for around more than a year now.
s7w2a
but i purchased it in Jan 2013 then after a year and half it went bad but was under warranty so i got another replacement 128 gb from sandisk which i am now using
Some people haven't a clue, or even know the going rate for things like this so they are being scammed most people who have a clue know right away.
hmm another flash drive to collect...do you think there is a condom flash drive?
Am i the most naive person here? I bought 2TB USB via AliExpress with all the symptoms like in this video description above. I should know better. 10$ for 2 TB SONY USB (size 2cm/1 inch) ... soooo naive... People learn from my mistakes !!!
Did it work?
+shonezz I did the same got a refund . when I complained . too good to be true 2TB ha
+shonezz 2TB usb stick :). Awesome story
+shonezz $10?!? Obviously it would have been fake.
I bought 2 TB USB too. For $19 on ebay. It works.....till 14 GB. After that everything gets deleted after I unplug the USB haha. Now I feel pretty stupid.
your video is so fake.. how do u tell it was fake? no data transfer proof? how do you explain my tiny nano sd card 64 gb from my smartphone?
Googling the part number on the large chip will give you the real capacity
I once bought one and when i tried to formated it took so long time and then it stopped working completely .
where can I get a box cutter like yours?
Come to Asia we have everything from fake CD's to fake Toyotas.
Yeah but in asia, the fake toyotas are also the real toyotas.
the thing about taking it back to 4gb is the mico chips they use can be defective anyway... so it could one day just quit.
Wow you have two blu ray drives. But one is a burner and the other is a ROM (read only memory) drive.
Size does not dictate memory capacity.
as in something that costs £65 should at least be metal
There's so much fake memory on ebay
I got my fingers burnt with shitty slow micro SD cards.
I need some flash drives to store video, but in light of past experience I am very wary.
I mean: 64Gb for 8.99 & 128Gb for 9.49 UK Pounds?? I thought the going rate was typically around 1.00 UK pound/Gb of storage space. This from a UK seller of what looks like generic stock, so you still have to be wary wherever you are buying from.
Did you run 'H2testw on this flash drive before taking the craft knife to it?
I have downloaded this utility.
You would hope that if a seller is legit they would test their stock or permit a return.
A reason why you should not buy from the Far East. What the hell do you do if it isn't legit?
Any UK 'Tubers know what is the average price/Gb for flash drives?
Just wanting more guidance on sniffing out the dodgy stuff..........
I did a video on a fake Lexar I bought at Office Depot and I put them side by side showing the difference.
well SSD memory has come a long way sense it came out but i still dont belive that thing is holding 256 gigs
I've seen plenty of USBs dismantled (yes I've dismantled some) that USB board is not even close to looking like a 64 gigabyte USB stick, let alone 256, this is clearly a 4 Gigabyte Ripoff
size dont mean shit. there are 256GB Micro SD cards. the price is concerning tho, that tech costs a shit ton to get it small.
dude its trying to get up to date with technology. every micro square has a compartment for data. you need to get to to date sherlock holmes
And you look like a seller defending his business in eBay.
Well, how much can it store then. Didn't really prove anything.
tats too bad...did u contact the seller again for refund ....or u should have contact ebay ....u might have got at least some money back ...
its pnly plastic... what were you expecting a gold usb?
i opened my 8gb kingston data traveler after it failed. and in it their was a black square that said toshiba and had the usb connection on the end is this normal?
it actually does bigger flashdrives would have a bigger memory chip not one as small as that one
just don't buy fake usb sticks i.e. make sure it's a legit price
Did you bring it back to your normal gb....I cant format mine help plez....
there are programs out there which show you the true size of the drive
So who's the seller if ur protecting us spill who the fraudulent seller was
i just got 1 of that from ebay too for $55 i didn't open it up, but it does store way more than 4gb. i put psp games, ds games, movies, musics & photo. estimated gb that i put is 50gb. So it's not so bad
Can you check Sony pro duo memorysticks with that also?
what is H2TESTW ? explain to me more please
32-64 gb flashdrives are even smaller.
please sleep well
Bought a 64GB E9 G2 supposedly USB3, turns out the volume size is correct but is only USB2, quite obviously a fake to anyone who knows the true artical. So be careful out there buyers.
Unless you get the flash id you cannot know its 4gb.
Sorry man.
You are proving nothing here.
Size in electronics means nothing. I don't know if you did it out of the camera or not, but the only way you can prove if the whole storage capacity is usable is loading it up.
If you can explain this, please do it.
+TheLuismondo size does matter. it's not DR Who, bigger on the inside.
thanks for demonstration... you saved my money :)
yeah size has nothing to do.
im not understand it says there it is 255 GB so that make me confuse
I really do worry about ur reviews then lol
my mom thinks these are real
THANKS FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO
are u sure that
Did it work though ?
i bought one of 64gb XD transformer usb and i tested in the old fashioned way, FILL IT UP! XD it was 64 gb, lucky me.
yeesh, i hope mine isn't fake, just ordered a 16gb drive
You mainly get fakes on eBay. That's why I barely buy from eBay.
Billy O'Reilly
There is very few fake things. You just have to be careful, and buy from good sellers (over 1000 items sold, with no negative reviews that the product is a bootleg
Your Mind I bought an Xbox One controller a year ago from someone with many positive reviews 100% and it was counterfeit one.
Hi there i will explain something about fake memories they use mostly VIRTUAL memory its like you have with 4Gb and the VIRTUAL memory gives other missing 252 Gb from Hard Drive read about that my friend bought in china in 2005 and he was happy hi bought very cheap and when he got usb and sd memory cards almost he got heart attack he lost lot of money because of VIRTUAL trick i hope this will help to some off you to understand.
its 4GB try it
why people buy really cheap items on eBay,under 50% original price.....nothing is that good or is it? lol lol
can you put 200GB plus on it, if so its legit
i have fiber optic and a new computer, and im downloading at 10.2kb/s max!!!!! why!
@realtalktec Yes there is such a thing. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!! :D
Anyone know where I can get the razor that he has?
Home Depot or Lowes
try putting on something 250gb
Yeah, just recently I bought a PNY 256GB SDXC card from BHphotovideo and a Lexar 64GB SDXC I got from ebey turned out to be real, I tested the whole capacity.
i bought exactly the same thing for 10 euro
i bought the same in aliexpress for 15 dollars
love me a good scam
It would have been smarter if you just loaded the drive you could have defused so much debates. This information is nearly a waste of time for evidence. If you filled the card up it would have done all of us a great favor but you kind of did the opposite and now you have allot of confused people who can hardly determine the accuracy of this information.
Plus most people are not remotely tech smart and struggle with basic tech information. Next time just load the card so you can save us all time and headache.