The Cheat That Is Killing Rust
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Cheating in Rust has become worse then ever, and it’s time to find out how deep the rabbit hole goes. In "The Cheat That Is Killing Rust," we explore the decade long battle between developers and cheaters, and how new tools like Direct Memory Access (DMA) are tipping the scales. From the early days of simple cheats to today’s complex anti-cheat measures, can the game developers ever really win? Join us as we dive into the world of Rust, the cheats, and the never-ending fight to keep games fair.
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The sucky part is it's not even people getting cheated on who are cheating it's young kids who don't want to put anytime into the game and see it as an outlet for success in clans.
Yes, please ban these kiddos. They can go play with Legos instead, as they should.
Idk about that. I've come across a lot of older sounding cheaters
@VvvnimaL yes, that is a good point; there is a significant amount of old, miserable men in every community.
Yeah on official servers there is always one guy on the clan with expensive cheats using esp and giving away enemies positions for the clan and a m249 for him on raids, when it comes to youtubers it's the guy on the team that don't make videos and telling "he's over there" or "I saw him that way" 😥
@@jhonyn7197 damn lol
Repeatedly getting raided by the same people on a x10 20 pop server at 4am even though i built fake bases on every possible cave i could find with only the real loot rooms getting raided, not even breaking any additional walls or doors after finding the loot, is what made me quit rust.
No wonder
The admins do ban these people. You need to get them to come look at your base and where you hid TCs. They have access to all the previous entities on the map and who raided them.
I was able to get many ESP raiders banned by doing this.
@@darkopz if you can put up with it sure maybe thats good advice, however i personally feel staying off rust is better for me. I still enjoy watching rust videos though the game itself is really good. Just like many other games, the community tends to be the problem.
what did u expect on a 20 pop server with no admins lmao
being attached to loot is your problem, its not about how many aks you have, its about the journey to get there
I remember getting recommended a couple of videos of rust cheaters a while back by the youtube algorithm. They had thumbnails similar to the famous rust content creators and titles like "How a solo cheater dominates a server in rust", and had around ~1k views
Same
i don’t even know how you can take pride in that as if it’s an achievement, literally anyone can be good with cheats and flaunting it like that is so weird
bro just made a comment about seeing a cheat video
okay? and?
super cringe
@@deagle2yadome696 keep your mouth shut, adults are talking
Remember people, if you are playing any game and suspect someone is cheating DO NOT call them out in global chat, this will only cause them to toggle off their cheats for a while. Report them through the game, or discord if it is possible. That way the admins will have a change to watch them and make it easier for them to get banned.
Unfortunately no matter how many times this pops up as a reminder in GC, there are still idiots who cry in chat to make them feel better lol.
im an avid dayz player, and most servers have a little popup message that says "DO NOT call out cheaters, report them by making a ticket" and people STILL call out cheaters. sadly i think they choose emotions over logic and thats not a problem a pop up message can fix sadly
@SmokNord69Nic i used to run a dayz server, and it had that message too. So many people would get into an argument in chat, then report them later and expect us to ban someone only on their word that they were cheating. They would then get pissed off at us that the cheater killed them again the next day. If everyone who gets accused of cheating is banned, 70% of the population would be...
Unless ofc the game's moderation does not care. (*glares at MCC*)
Bro they're too egotistical to leave it off for a long time lol
12:41 what most people don't realise is that it's not just the cheating software that makes you more vulnerable to malicious code, it is also anti-cheating software that exposes you. Any kernel level intrusion to and rootkits are malware, regardless of the perceived legitimacy, and having either one installed increases the chances of your system being compromised exponentially.
That's what happens in an arms race, both sides keep making more and more horrifying weapons to outdo each-other, and it ultimately makes the rest of us far less safe. At this point to contain the risk I use a dedicated windows install on its own separate drive for these types of games.
@PewReview that is one possible solution, though it would be even safer if you ran it as a Virtual Machine on a level 1 Hypervisor, and firewalled all connections except on the specific ports necessary to play the game.
@@mindsunwoundpretty much how xbox works
@@mindsunwound Man Ive been playing with vms for a while, and "techy people" are calling me a power user. I have no fucking clue what you just said. Like I can make out the meaning sure. But I would have no idea how to even start doing that. How are we meant to be safe when a normal person would see a techy person as way too knowledgeable, they see me as a power user (frankly for a relatively shallow knowledge base), and I see you as a god of computers?
What is a Hypervisor? How do I control my firewall connections ports? Am I already doing that? Sure I can spin up a VM and play around, install a new os and have some fun with it. Maybe play a game or two on it, but I'd have no idea what I'm doing if I tried to interface with the anticheats I've installed. I can write basic code or config files, and I know the very basics of networking etc, but there is a huge gap here when I look into Proxmox, VMware ESXi, Hyper-V 2019, etc. Any solution I check into looks monumentally more complicated than what I've used so far (Mostly Virtual box) I wanted to swap to VM Workstation pro 17 off a recommendation but I only just found the repository for the versions since their links broke on the website for so long.
Man where do you even start from here? Its like I just opened pandoras box. I honestly don't even know if virtual box is a level 1 or whatever I didnt know they had levels or a name lmfao. Looked that up too, apparently not lmfao. I guess so is workstation pro. Also google is saying type 1 or 2, Im making the assumption that that is the same thing as levels. I know I shouldn't but I am lol.
Cheating is so widespread in rust. The worst kind are not the ones using aim bots, more the esp / debug users that find the cheapest route to your best loot or know when you've moved loot to another base etc. There are hard to catch for admins as they normally avoid behavior that give it away or they just bag in the account with cheats to locate things then play on a legit account.
Especially when there are catching cheater videos that effectively teach you how to beat admins
CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN how tf consoles have god anti cheat? dude... so sad PC is master race for frames looks AND ALL BUT NOT CHEATS
Console ONLY has xim/cronus which is NOTHING COMPARED TO LEGIT AIMBOT ESP ETC but like dahm im assuming its bc it is it's own whole new device or made from perfect cratch? Like PC's are EVERYWHERE but console's they made sure when making they put extra love and care into?
Sad PUBG/Rust/RAINBOW 6/DAYZ all on console is so great bc its just small "cheats" but PC game runs so good and custom servers etc but man I meet ppl on Rust/PUBG etc I TRIED BOYS ppl ask me "U got esp at least right if not I will get 4 you"
Sad asf man like 7/10 groups I met like wtf... like u need it to make it "Fair" nowadays...
@@animalicon3535the reason cheating in console is small is cause obviously unlike pc you cant download stuff on a console and if you cheat on console you're risking getting ur entire console banned and losing 500$ not even being able to play offline, with pc you just lose the game account and the cheaters just buy a new one and keep going and with ai there will be cheats that just look at the players screen and auto aims in the head in a way thats impossible to detect even console isnt gonna be safe soon.
@marlon.8051 to add to this, the console developers are also working to get rid of cheating and making it harder to use hardware cheats, and making software cheats completely brick systems. So there's an extra layer of protection where as PC you can fairly easily customize your system and not even have to use an official version of the operating system.
@@animalicon3535 Because consoles are more locked down and the barrier for entry for console cheats is that you have to do some mad crap to your console. On PC, where players tend to have a little more technical background knowledge its as simple as installing some software.
Aimbot, jump, speed hacks etc. are one thing but it's the offliner ESP users that have been THE most frustrating experience in Rust for me and is part of why I haven't gone back in a long while.
Absolutely. And it's so blatantly obvious sometimes. I've put TC and weird spots and people cut a line straight to it with the most efficient path.
Very true. Heck an ESP trying to be "smart" about it will sometimes throw a couple misguided rockets or misplaced c4, but when you look at the path they used as a whole they knew exactly where to go.
I have had done double bunkers before a hidden suicide bunker and they still found the path of least resistance.
These are the people that log in at around 4AM when population is at its absolute lowest...
You didn’t even get “ offline ESP” you just got offlined bro. Glad ur not playing anymore. Crybaby
I wonder, speed and jump values should be handled from server side! Why are they being processed in the client side so cheaters can abuse them? Weird!
Started playing again a few days ago, every time I put down a stash it is found straight away.
Gave up Rust with 3.5k hours. It’s the best game I’ve ever played and I miss it… but cheaters have ruined it.
3.9k hours and im STRUGGLING to bring myself to reach 4k before i officially quit for good.
I got nearly 8k now and I hardly run into cheaters icl
They're not that common.
the blatant ones arent that common but every monthly wipe i play, i get a few people banned and its only getting worse
@@3nigma.3ncyes they are lmao, literally every wipe there’s AT LEAST 10 cheaters
The analogies are nice, however, Level 1 protection is more like a Cop sitting on your couch inside your home, 24/7 watching everything you do, just in case a burger breaks in.
The editing on this is truly phenomenal. Wasn't expecting a video essay of this quality about cheating on Rust.
Rust, Tarkov Ark,
Cheaters will never disappear, and now games are dying.
Singleplayer games have skyrocketed in sales and players, and are much more enjoyable
singleplayer and coop with friends
cs2 is bad as hell with cheaters
Yeah I realized this to a few years ago, I no longer play any multiplayer game that has a serious competitive side to it.
roblox literally have the best anticheat now roblox have like 5% of cheater
@@Xt244 and roblox is also one of the worst games out there, and directed at 12 year olds. It can't be compared to the type of games Ark, Tarkov and Rust are.
Rust is my favorite game of all time, almost 8k hours on record. However I stopped playing months ago because of the cheaters. Every wipe I played I ran into very obvious ESP players with new private accounts. It's not the blatant cheaters that can 1 tap 4 grids of people in their bases with a eoka, it's the subtle ESP togglers that killed it for me. And they'd almost always get banned on servers with admins when I made a report through Discord, but by the time they're gone the damage is done on the server
These are nothing. The worst are losers with russian accounts that have 5k+ hours on rust and some old vac ban. Admins are clueless in rust so they can not seevanything wrong if such guy uses aim assist and esp smartly 😂
Would be nice to just have a single player experience in Rust without running/renting my own server
I 100% agree with you. I'm disappointed i have to stop playing.
@@dangbar200you can run a private server off your pc, its easy, theres a youtube tutorial for it
I've had a cheater follow me from server to server with battle metrics and he basically destroyed my rust group. Made my other 3 mates quit.
that visual at 4:20 was so slick. Really impressed by the quality of this video overall somehow managed to make the video quality significantly higher than your previous videos
Appreciate you Weffway, actually super surprised on the feedback for that section this animation was one of the easier ones ironically lol. Glad you enjoyed man.
@@JackShephardTV was very well made and glad you got some interviews from reputable sources.
@@JackShephardTVit’s the fact that you even thought of doing that was so creative and cool
Rust experience
-play for a day straight
-get headtapped by some ak kid from 200+ meters in 2 seconds
-"gg better player wins try some recoil maps"
-play for another day
-get raided by 7 people fully geared people that one tap you as soon as the wall breaks down (or max your server allows)(they all sit on a discord and coordinate every move like its the last round of a csgo match)
-quit
I just feel like recoil scripts are so easy to use that there shouldnt be any recoil in rust in the first place, the amount of times people full auto'd me in the head in like 2s from very very far away while i was dodging is insane, and i know the difference between a legit spray and a sussy ass recoil script one, and the recoil script one is almost as common to see as the legit one, and these players have like 800 hours in the game
alot of people are just bad at the game and assume people who arent are cheating.
@@Mando92x like i said i know a legit player from a hacking one you think every death i scream hacker? Get a grip on reality kid
@@piotrek7633 im sorry but if you arent really good at pvp then the skill gap is often confused for cheating. When i was new to the game there was people i thought was cheating who now I can slam. People using DMA and running walls but know recoil are the real ones getting away with it, anyone else who is blatant just gets banned pretty quickly. Your getting insta death from double headshots? try not wearing a hazy or t2 all the time. 150-200m 4 bullet ak spray is not hard.
Better try some recoil maps instead od talking shit or go play minecraft
Stupidest take I’ve ever heard🤣 “The solution is no recoil at all” Bro did you play before the recoil change?? There basically is no fucking recoil at all now and people still whine smh
it really drives a sense of sadness knowing cheating will always be a big problem in competitive multiplayer games. The self doubt these cheaters cause when you come across them is unfair.
Don't lose all hope, what you say isn't necessarily true. He touched on why in this video, if you want a bit of a deeper dive into the topic, and something to give you some hope back, check out 'Saving FPS Games - AI Anti-Cheat.'
AI has a far superior ability to adapt too. Will it eliminate cheating? Probably not, but I genuinely believe it will turn it into a very niche problem over the next ten years.
that's one thing cool about fighting games, there are cheaters but since the games are 1v1, you still get plenty of games with 0 cheaters.
@@mykal4779 Apparently there is cheating in Tekken, so I don't know what you're talking about.
This is why in 6k hours i have left rust.
I dropped it after 1100 hrs back in 2020
8k hours here, dont plan on playing soon
Touch grass @@mrotss
Touch grass
But every game is infested with hackers
The VincentSMG cameo is hilarious 6:38, Facepunch cannot begin to claim they care about the cheating epidemic without going after streamers who benefit off them. Great video.
What users name some ?
Is vincentSMG a known cheater? I played vs him and his zerg once, but didnt know it
@@pancutirimicuaro no.
Haha, yeah obviously you know I did the Vincent documentary a few months ago, but for the hundreds of clips I watched of him complaining about cheaters I had to give Vincent a reference lol.
@@pancutirimicuaro He clans with cheaters so its likely he cheats in some capacity, he's banned off every major server but Rustafied.
Great video Jack!
Good to see you man, thanks hope you enjoy! :)
I saw it first
@@9winterswho asked
You’d have to write a essay to convince me vanguard isn’t spyware
This will be a difficult challenge as it progresses further. At some point there is a line to be drawn between how effective anti-cheat measures are and how invasive they can be into the privacy of non-cheating users.
Really interesting video. Straight fire as usual🔥
My favorite documentary watcher haha, glad to hear i did you justice my guy.
😊 ahoy mate
@@JackShephardTV @AntonioDoesMetal The 5,500 Hour Rust manifesto of Water Pickle
The good the bad the ugly
This is how you make Rust i mean fix rust
1 Fix Cheating with a hardcore Anti cheat like the one PUBG uses.
2 Fix performance issues on lower end systems, if an rtx 1660 can run DayZ and PUBG it should be able to run Rust
If you cant fix these first two issues for some reason make a rust 2 in Unreal 5 and sell it for 60$ to recoup the cost if its a good game fans will buy it so make a good game and bring back the 50,000+ old players with 8k+ hours that you lost and gave the middle finger to this brings me to my next point on what to tweak in the game to bring back solos and duos as well as long term reoccurring old players and bring in a new and old but primarily less toxic community
1 remove the newer recoil update and bring back the old recoil for the guns as well as the sounds
2 remove the work bench bases tech tree system to bring players back to monuments and having larger teams fight for what they need instead of building by a light house on the coast and farming sea barrels with 15 people to get t3 and AK bp in 30 min
3 remove the green dot team UI this prevents teams larger than 4 or so from forming without very good coordination and allows for more interesting team dynamics and the ability for small teams and solo to ghost clans this makes the game less rigid and more playable for returning by players lessening a clans power which is something that's desperately in need
4 Remove all drone stations from the game this forces players to go to player made safe zones allowing for more interaction with players and yes more risk that's what rust is all about and how it should be this leads me to number
5 remove most of the vending machines from the outpost it makes it too easy players flock to the outpost for a start this causes the game to progress too fast and lowers the time for player to player interaction an rivalries to happen if you cant die and lose all your comps than the game is no fun this leads me to number
6 remove the recyclers and all placeable tools like the T1 and oil refinery from the outpost then consolidate the large barn and ranch in to the outpost and remove those safe zones from the map The only safe zone that should have only one or two recyclers is bandit and it should not be 100% safe like outpost give it some danger like it used to be. to sum it up outpost should be where you buy helicopters and horses as well as gamble and do player trades face to face so add shop fronts this space should be 100% safe but you should not be able to progress the entire game from rock to AK while living in outpost this is 100% possible i have done it this is a sign of a broken game and bandit camp should still have a gambling wheel and that area should be 100% safe and the recyclers should be 80% safe and all other places should be less than that.
This is a very short email compared to all the other stuff i have to fix the game and things you can add after to balance progression but you should go down the list in order fixing the game how described above but incase you get bored i will send some ideas down the pipeline
1 make a system to where you can research boats helicopters and bikes/motorcycles by bringing them up to a research table and pressing a disassemble button then waiting 5h or something like that more for helis and les for bikes and boats then unlocking a special vehicle table and then having to get 10 different ingredients to craft these items ea. (boat) 5,000 wood 150 low grade fuel 3 gears 500 metal frags (Heli) 2,000 Metal frags 5 gears 300 low grade fuel 30 HQM you can also add a function to the spray can to paint only crafted vehicles
2 trackers. sticky trackers and dart trackers one for vehicles and one for a player the tracker player dart would go perfect with the blow gun you are adding all tracking signals can so to the camera station and use a code to access the map then anyone who uses the station after application of a dart or sticky would now see it on there map you can apply these to crafted vehicles when you craft them to make them impossible to take off to discourage people from taking them or you will know where they live an get your revenge even if the camera station in your base is broken
3 half or more TC upkeep to allow big bases like what we had 2015-2018
Plz spread the message
The King of the North!
Wow, its so cool to learn about all the lore and really how DMA works, i know it gets thrown around a lot but I never fully knew what it was! Great video jack
Appreciate you Lost, yeah was the same thing for me when I started researching the topic, I heard so much about it but had no clue what it was glad you enjoyed.
I have over 10k hours in Rust. Really love the game for years now, but it is getting harder and harder to overlook the cheating problem and all the toxic bs. Nice vid.
Impossible for me to overlook! I got falsely banned and since eac appeals are so bad I can't play until February 8th
Ronald Regan air dropping heroin into inner City neighborhoods "where are all these drugs coming from??"
Never played rust but this video was fascinating.
Every time a cheater gets banned, it means another copy of rust is bought.
exactly cheaters will never actually be dealt with because they make them money
They buy stolen accounts
@@lussor1 yeah and those stolen accounts were originally paid for by someone.
As a past cheater we don’t buy stolen accounts we can buy rust accounts for 5 dollars
@@LandonReline where?
Most high quality rust community videos out there. I quit the game when new recoil was added but still enjoy these videos.
Thanks man, certainly try to bring up the nostalgia and our crazy history of this game where I can, hope you can return to Rust one of these years and hopefully the game is in a better state. :)
Imagine being a multimillion dollar company with teams dedicated to detecting cheats just to be beat by a few hackers in a garage making 10's of thousands for selling these hacks.
I loved the video, but the cheaters have definately won over the developers.
Facepunch servers are un-usable and you can tell by their pop.
If it wasn't for private/community server/ with active admins, that made it to the official tab,
Rust would've died a long time ago.
But even now watching admins dedicated as camomo not using the F7 report that goes through EAC, because "there is no point anymore", when a year ago his slogan was "always F7" just said it all to me.
I think admins deserve more credit on the "war on cheaters" than facepunch does.
Appreciate your support always Sleth, good to see you again.
Yeah admins are huge in the current state, while I agree the tide has shifted in favors of cheaters a lot right now, it just sucks to see a universal theme in life is things have to get worse before they get better. But I hope in our playtime we may get as close as possible to cheat free experience. Try to leave these things on a positive note if I can lol.
The core problem is that gaming online is a lot about the social aspect, and when games instead opt to be system-mechanic-rule oriented, and specially automated at large scale, we get a cannibalistic environment because few end up caring what goes on for other players - the wellbeing of a community becomes secondary to the individual and this applies to both cheaters and overall bad sportsmen.
Servers with attentive admins and event organizers were the start of everything online and most likely will end up still being the one thing that actually works in the end. Unless we get "stream only" games and computers, that is...
I play RUST PvE after 2100 hours of actual RUST. Not only do I never see cheaters for obvious reasons, I also have started to enjoy the game more due to less toxicity!
I’m interested in doing something like that. What keeps the game fun for you? Instead of fighting other players, what do you do?
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@@TrainMann Theres servers that are heavly modded PVE and they are fun, custom maps, monuments, npc enemies, bosses, if you want an example Grimmzone pve 2x or type in Grimm in server search, Low pop but I find it fun :) they also got a pvp one too.
I did the same switch. Basically I find a cool build idea I wanna do for a whipe. Ocean base, desert base etc, wether I wanna farm teas or hemp or just explore@@TrainMann
@@TrainMann You find a server that has airfield event that has 6x locked crates, spawns a heli, a bradey, and tons of NPCS armed with all types of weapons; a cargo crash event that drops 3 locked crates and 3 elite crats with 5 guards that use M249s, mini guns, and flame throwers; Water treatment event that spawns a tank in front of the middle building, turrets on the middle building, lots of roaming mobs, and L9 snipers on some roofs. Some have bradleys at all monuments, /call heli or buy easy, medium, hard, elite heli events that brings a heli at different levels of difficulties to w/e you are. Raid bases spawned at different levels from easy to nightmare some servers are pve raid bases and some servers make raid bases PvP areas. Some PvE servers have bradleys at each monument. A lot of pve servers have roaming mobs on the maps and for sure at each monument. Most have a purge event before wipes that allow raiding and PvP for the last 24 hours before wipe. Which is cool, cause you can opt out and not play knowing its all reset the next day anyways. Some go for 1 week, 2 week, or all month before wiping. Some servers have roaming convey events that travel the roads with 2 tanks, car loads of npcs that jump out when you attack.. Cool stuff.
Go to modded search and look up Luffy Rust, Creed, Tims place, RustGamingNation if you're on close to west coast. I found cool German servers too Enchanted .gg EU. I've been playing shooters since the late 90s, and I'm to old to be pissed at cheaters. So after about 2 days of recognizing obvious cheats. I started playing the PvE servers 7 years ago. I have 8k hours and never lost interest.
I genuinely think game devs should sue for damages as a deterrent
Too expensive and time consuming. There really isn't an effective method to get rid of cheaters because of the money behind it. Requiring a phone number or tying your account to something personal will help a little bit, but it would also hurt the player count.
Sue? Who? Someone in Russia?
Also, everytime a cheater gets banned they get a new account and buy a new copy of rust. It makes financial sense for game companies to slow roll the banning of cheaters. Maybe give them 2-3 months of play time if they're not extremely obvious.
@huzzahjoe5260 idt u understand...they can just get cheap accounts with the game alrdy on it sold by the same people of the cheats and other sites...usually stolen accounts
@@alecgorman430 They don't have to sue a lot of people to get the message out
@@alecgorman430IDK about you but id be okay with ID verification
With 16k hours in Rust, I've seen it all. Cheaters suck. It's really cool seeing it all broken down like this though, great video Jack!
Well after 10 years Hail, were still here lol, we keep trying to survive this damn game lol.
Respect, so many infos in that "short" video.
Such things as cheats backdooring their way into client pc's, which many people "dont believe".
Outstanding work as always! Appreciate your efforts, this is honestly the best Rust channel out there. Keep it up ❤
Big fan of the russian content niche in Rust, got the opportunity to play with Shekd and Scresh during Global Warfare 2 a lot of great creators over there, and fucking amazing cinematics on the videos you guys produce. Appreciate the support greatly man!
Not only is DMA a problem, but there are other private cheats that inject normally without a DMA card, which have never in history been detected by the game. I can think of 2 or 3 that are like this. Even crappy public rust cheats do not get detected reliably.
you’re a no body shut up you dont know anything gang
Also the fact that players like myself get falsely banned despite never cheating on ANY game on my computer and can't play for 6 months
those private cheats has such little users it makes it hard for eac to detect them, wr-c went undetected for like 3 years and then got popular as fuck and got dtc
@@vertigorust leaking is crazy
@@Alanj1 u dont want that shit anymore dont worry
I actually needed to watch something like this. I have zero idea about any cheating or how it works.
Great video Jackster :D
yeah sure bud, this guy is leaking everyones methods
@@Scrimering
@@Scrimering wahhhhh
This video is great, man. I have to admit, I did cheat on a Valve game once. I got the idea from watching videos of people cheating, and it seemed cool at the time. I think this happened around 2020 or 2021, but I don't remember exactly. When I got banned, it hit me hard, and I stopped cheating altogether. Looking back, I'm really glad these anti-cheats are getting better and deterring people from cheating. Never cheat in any game it ruins the experience more than you might realize.
Lmao telling people to never cheat,even though you did. Dude go away, loser behavior.
I'm glad you're reformed. At least some people can be saved
Don’t care. Cheating for a gamer is the equivalent of murder in normal society. If you cheat for 1 second you’re a scumbag. Gamers with actual morals who care about other peoples experiences would never even consider cheating, let alone download them and use them. There is no redemption to be had, you failed and showed that your brain is missing the part that keeps normal people from choosing to be a POS. 🤷♂️ You’re not a gamer, you’re a cheater.
Your commentary and assets have come so far in a short time dude, great vid!
I've actually had this idea in the past of making a essential white-list only server to avoid cheating I REALLY REALLY like this idea and hope it comes together as planned
You know its gonna be a good day when Jack Shephard uploads.
Haha, good to see you man. Sorry this one took so long, hope you enjoy :) Happy Labor day!
@@JackShephardTV Thank you brother, and no worries 😁 Cheating is definitely an interesting topic, but i do believe AI will be the future of anticheat. Seen many large companies starting to dip their toes into the development of AI Anticheat, Valve being a prime example of this as they refuse to resort to kernel anticheat. As long as it has a good stream of data to collect and learn from it has the potential to be great. AI has improved a ton since we first started seeing it and its already being used for all kinds of different purposes, so i have no doubt AI will become a great deturgent for cheaters. Question is really how long it will take before we get a proper AI Anticheat as its a big risk for developers to put it into use (As falsebans can become a big problem). Atleast that is my take on it.
Another great video tho Shephard, quality is always topnotch, love the interviews and how in depth you really are on the topics you choose to make videos on. Happy labor day to you too man, keep up the great work. ❤
The first time inplayed RUST i didnt get killed because i told everyone i was new and wanted to learn. Really nice people on the server i played on.
When i look at people play now its shoot at sight and toxic as heck. And a lot of cheating. What opened my eyes and realized that more people cheat than you think was the Escape from Tarkov experiment with the guy who used cheat to investigate how many did it.
Can you explain more about that experiment? That sounds interesting ngl, do you know where I can see it
@@igameshare_6667 it's posted on youtube. Just search for escape from tarkov and cheat
@@igameshare_6667 The Wiggle That Killed Tarkov by G0at on youtube
@@igameshare_6667 if you didnt find it, its called "the wiggle that killed tarkov" or something very similar
@@igameshare_6667 look up escape from tarkov the wiggle that killed tarkov
As a 15,000 hour rust player I started in 2019, CHEATING has always been a problem and it has gotten a lot worse with the new recoil update back in 2022, about 1/3 of my fights are cheaters I can’t catch a dam break. I’ve been cheated on so many times that I can almost tell instantly what that person is using. My F7 report list is very accurate and I’m always getting notifications when these cheaters are banned. However it’s not enough also speaking of the fact that rust stopped doing ban waves. Thank you Jack much support!
you tell em
Sunny is a national treasure, thank you Sunny.
over 8hrs a day, everyday for 5 yrs....... mmmmmmmmm. your complaining about cheaters in a GAME and yet you play this much of it, i dont think so..........
Can't agree more and nearly wrote the same in my comment here - cheaters were always a problem but more manageable back on "old recoil" and cheaters/scripters got banned way faster because a "humanized" anticheat actually made sense. The combat update and the RNG and aimcone based recoil was just not the "right" approach to fix the "scripter problem" and just lead to the massive increase in "hard cheats" like ESP and aimbot - making things as easy as it is now in Rust also just benefitialed those type of cheats even more and the RNG effect makes it even worse to distinguish if it was just a good spray, "lucky aimcone" or you actually got killed by a cheater with silent aim/aimbot etc. so how can an actuall "humanized anticheat" still distinguish what is possible or not when it is based on randomness?
i feel sorry for you and your family
Very very very well made video. Great attention to detail, good job man!
Thank you rvft! Greatly appreciate the support man.
The video conent wise is amazing but the editing, dude. That was on another level, just eye candy.
Thanks man this comment made my day, really try to bring something new to the table for what we can do in Rust. Hope to see you for the history of clans Finale.
epic quality it feeds my adhd things keep changing to keep me here lmao
I just wanted to say the the quality of these edits is insane. Following since the start of this channel. Keep up the good work. I really missed something like that for Rust: from the lore to gameplay related isssues and beyond. Kudos from Italy, bravo!
Thanks so much my Italian friend. Try to make something unique that I feel will have some value beyond the game, and I'm glad you've been around since the start man, many more great videos to come see you for History of clans pt 3 :)
@@JackShephardTV You're welcome! I'll keep on watching!
Nah the worst is when a cheater makes a base right next to yours with a shooting floor and roof camps your doorway with cheats….. can’t leave your base and if you manage to get out your not getting your loot back…… def not a personal experience 😭😭💔💔 (The guy got banned like weeks later…. A bit too late💀)
the quality of this editing and commentary is refreshing and definitely earned my sub. keep it up brother
Lol no Vanguard is NOT like a security guard with a dog at an airport. It's like a security guard with a dog in your home watching you as you pack at your house, go to the airport, your flight, landing, at your hotel room, in your bathroom, and so on.
Great video as always. After spending some time as an admin you can easily tell that at least 30% of players cheat. The worst are the roamers who just run straight at whoever they see on their esp. You can spawn someone in 200m from them and in 5 seconds they will b line it straight towards them
@arcaedias Please find a server and apply
It feels more like 75 percent these days
Super thankful i was able to help with this project :)
Rip titanium titan
@@9winters The legend of titanium titan never dies 😎
Why are Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan part of China in the map at 1:05?
Why do you care
China is the rightful owner of those lands.
If it wasn’t for the PRC you would be talking in tongues.
Idk
These map compositions are so laggy man, every map took days to render sorry it wasn't accurate there, I had look at several maps online and they seemed very close in comparison.
@@JackShephardTV it's ok lol, I was just wondering why
Hey btw! These DRA manufactureres absolutely know what their products are getting used for!
Your ability to explain things is SO GOOD! awesome vid
Much love Flinger, hope we can see Flingers village on a main wipe again real soon. :)
valorant known for its "unique competitive matchmaking"
Even Camomo is fed up. The guy relentlessly works on banning hackers from the servers he oversees, only for VAC/EAC to do nothing with his reporting. He has really been showing his frustration on his videos as of late
They had global admins and rhinocrunch ruined it lol
Offline, single player mode has left the chat.
You stupid??
South Korea's linking of gaming accounts with National IDs has left the chat. We need laws passed that would identify and ruin a cheater's life. This includes if a parent allows their children to play on accounts that they own. PS. I don't mean throw them in jail, but restrict their travels to other countries. They can't escape this one. If they can afford the cheater's subscription and the hardware to run the cheats...they obviously have the money to pay massive fines and not be able to declare bankruptcy. I would love to see a program where they are also forced to have a clown face tattooed onto their face until the massive fine is paid off.
Cheaters can single handedly destroy a game, anyone remember The Cycle Frontier? RIP
Coming back to re-watch this after getting offlined by a guy that has a level 0 steam account with three friends, one of which got vac banned literally a week ago.
Good vid Jack, hopefully brings some much needed awareness to the topic
Hey dinling! Thanks man, DMA is certainly a difficult one to deal with for Rust, but I think with EAC's work recently they'll likely be able to crack down on DMA more by this November. :)
hope not bc ur teammates will start disappearing again ahha
@@JackShephardTV fingers crossed, I think Vanguard making strides in that regard will definitely help the overall combatting of the issue
noo ur teammates will get banned
how will you make content then when all your dma players are banned?? D:
the sad part is at 0:31 i know some of those ppl getting cheated on is fucking crazy sad to see what the games coming to.
Hey razor I’m one of them
They have beat me into submission so now i only play pve where cheaters can't prosper. Also EAC is making computer performance way worse with each update and still doesn't work.
EAC doesn't update that often and facepunch has been adding encryption and junkcode to their game.
*It does not matter which game you play, if it has PvP aspects to it; its going to suck. Any and all PvP related games are ruined long ago due to cheaters and there is no way of getting out of it.*
P.S
Social medias, especially Tiktok and UA-cam are infested with cheat videos, cheater advertisements and sales. NOTHING is done by these platforms or very minimal is done, but absolutely not enough is done about it.
I do like the specific note that it's about harm reduction. The end goal of anti-cheat isn't to get rid of cheaters, but to reduce the impact of cheating on the normal gameplay experience and to force cheaters so far in the closet that other players can't even tell they're cheating.
There is no such thing as absolute integrity online, and there never will be, but there is absolutely the ability to enforce a generally skill-based environment where players are fully capable of climbing of their own merit more negatively impacted by smurfs and other poor behavior from legit players than from cheaters.
The goat of rust documentaries
The cheating compare to old Main scene is 10x time worse on Modded Scene now😭😭
yo good to see you here, i thoroughly enjoy cheating on your servers #ATM
This video is not gonna change anything unforcunatly!
Before watching, it's at least gonna be informative, at least
@Darius-uj1gv yeah my english sucks
Yeah unforcunatly there is absolutely nothing we can do about it except eventually give up playing pvp games
You sound slow
full setup is gonna need $600+ and 2 gaming pcs. Not to mention the cost of the cheat itself. Most people aren't gonna do that. It's not as widespread as the video suggests
Damn dude the production quality of this video is on the level of someone with 1 million subs. Good job, man! I'm sure you'll get a HUGE bump in subs from this video alone. Keep it up!
Subbed, this channel is definitely going to be at 500k subs by December if they keep up with videos like this. I guarantee it.
Thanks so much Twizz, I really hope so, I try my best to pump out the best quality content I can. As a long time viewer myself for UA-cam, I want to make it worth your time, I'm glad you enjoyed. :)
Cheaters are so prevalent that they're showing up in UA-camrs' playthrougs
my dma card caught fire and burned down my house
It's a shame you escaped unscathed 😂
Feels good man.
The war on drugs analogy has to be one of the most idiotic things I ever heard in my life.
Least angry rust player
Mind explaining how?
It works, even if it’s a messy apology. Drugs have a much, much different solution (decriminalization possession, addiction prevention programs, needle exchange, investment in lower income communities, combating drug companies/cartels, etc, etc). It has the underlying tone to it that, despite failing, effectively, the war on drugs was necessary.
@TOH_Fan in his defense I think the analogy works on that front too because it's not so much that the war on drugs was "necessary", rather fighting on the wrong front; mentioning treatment and rehabilitation rather than doing literal war over it. Same can be said about cheating; the war is being fought from the developer standpoint when it should be dealt with legislatively because of how few regulations there are in the various countries he mentioned in the video.
Naturally I think comparing cheating in videogames to a real world crisis is probably unwise and was bound to cause controversy, but definitely not "one of the most idiotic things" ever said.
this level of editing is breathtaking tbh you deserve more subs
Thanks Grimm! Hugely appreciate your support on this one, this did take a crazy amount of time but glad it was worth it for you guys.
Great editing Jack! I’m sure you spent a lot of time making this.
Thanks spook, I sure did. I'm glad a lot of you guys took notice, always a battle for quality over quantity for these videos, but I always think it's worth it. Hope to see you in history of clans pt 3 :)
This is a prime example of why I only play private servers where you need an application just to play them.
No way dude 100k Views in 1 day
DMA is overtaking rust 20 of my teammates in the past year are on it haha
Sad...
what are you on tren, dma as well? im genuinely curious
@@mrotss nothing ? 😭
@@trenFPS my bad i forgot you have 100,000 hours
@@mrotss bruh i’m fr
The 5,500 Hour Rust manifesto of Water Pickle
The good the bad the ugly
This is how you make Rust i mean fix rust
1 Fix Cheating with a hardcore Anti cheat like the one PUBG uses.
2 Fix performance issues on lower end systems, if an rtx 1660 can run DayZ and PUBG it should be able to run Rust
If you cant fix these first two issues for some reason make a rust 2 in Unreal 5 and sell it for 60$ to recoup the cost if its a good game fans will buy it so make a good game and bring back the 50,000+ old players with 8k+ hours that you lost and gave the middle finger to this brings me to my next point on what to tweak in the game to bring back solos and duos as well as long term reoccurring old players and bring in a new and old but primarily less toxic community
1 remove the newer recoil update and bring back the old recoil for the guns as well as the sounds
2 remove the work bench bases tech tree system to bring players back to monuments and having larger teams fight for what they need instead of building by a light house on the coast and farming sea barrels with 15 people to get t3 and AK bp in 30 min
3 remove the green dot team UI this prevents teams larger than 4 or so from forming without very good coordination and allows for more interesting team dynamics and the ability for small teams and solo to ghost clans this makes the game less rigid and more playable for returning by players lessening a clans power which is something that's desperately in need
4 Remove all drone stations from the game this forces players to go to player made safe zones allowing for more interaction with players and yes more risk that's what rust is all about and how it should be this leads me to number
5 remove most of the vending machines from the outpost it makes it too easy players flock to the outpost for a start this causes the game to progress too fast and lowers the time for player to player interaction an rivalries to happen if you cant die and lose all your comps than the game is no fun this leads me to number
6 remove the recyclers and all placeable tools like the T1 and oil refinery from the outpost then consolidate the large barn and ranch in to the outpost and remove those safe zones from the map The only safe zone that should have only one or two recyclers is bandit and it should not be 100% safe like outpost give it some danger like it used to be. to sum it up outpost should be where you buy helicopters and horses as well as gamble and do player trades face to face so add shop fronts this space should be 100% safe but you should not be able to progress the entire game from rock to AK while living in outpost this is 100% possible i have done it this is a sign of a broken game and bandit camp should still have a gambling wheel and that area should be 100% safe and the recyclers should be 80% safe and all other places should be less than that.
This is a very short email compared to all the other stuff i have to fix the game and things you can add after to balance progression but you should go down the list in order fixing the game how described above but incase you get bored i will send some ideas down the pipeline
1 make a system to where you can research boats helicopters and bikes/motorcycles by bringing them up to a research table and pressing a disassemble button then waiting 5h or something like that more for helis and les for bikes and boats then unlocking a special vehicle table and then having to get 10 different ingredients to craft these items ea. (boat) 5,000 wood 150 low grade fuel 3 gears 500 metal frags (Heli) 2,000 Metal frags 5 gears 300 low grade fuel 30 HQM you can also add a function to the spray can to paint only crafted vehicles
2 trackers. sticky trackers and dart trackers one for vehicles and one for a player the tracker player dart would go perfect with the blow gun you are adding all tracking signals can so to the camera station and use a code to access the map then anyone who uses the station after application of a dart or sticky would now see it on there map you can apply these to crafted vehicles when you craft them to make them impossible to take off to discourage people from taking them or you will know where they live an get your revenge even if the camera station in your base is broken
3 half or more TC upkeep to allow big bases like what we had 2015-2018
As someone who is playing Rust since 2014 this is one of the best comments i saw under a Rust video and i couldn't agree more that Rust needs a drastic change in the way it is developing back to the hard and "painfull" game it was before the casualization took it fully - the "meta" of the game is completely broken and the ease to play the game now just benefits cheaters even more. I agree fully with the changes regarding PVP, safe zones etc. but in terms of wall/roof stacking i need to disagree - i even disliked the "restrictions" in terms of building even tho i am more focused on PVP - but giving someone creative the chance to create something unique and benefitial in terms of base design should be as important than the fact that competetive players who spend time to "master" their PVP abilities can benefit from their training and dedication.
This all basically comes down to make the game harder for causal players, this makes it so the main demographic of a game is childrenwhich in turn limits the total amount of people who will play it consistently.
Even tarkov with 6-12 month long wipes is hard for causal players to progress, people who work long hours are turned off from games that make everything a grind which is why rust has been catering to them, and a huge reason why every wipe of tarkov has fewer players than the last.
This also does not help the cheating situation at all, unless anticheats get good enough to stop most cheats out there. Causal players usually do not have the time to spend 6+ hours a day grinding to even get a gun, so when they keep getting wiped day after day and having to start from nothing they just stop playing and go play somewhere else.
There's plenty of hardcore servers that cater to people who like that, but if the devs make the entire game that way it won't work out in the long run.
The vanity ad is the only actual good ad ive seen EVER good job 👍
This is criminally good content. As someone who played rust very consistently, and was a big part of who i was, its great to see videos bring light to the issue of cheating. While i dont belive we will see a permanent fix for cheating, if more and more people invest into solutions for cheats, i think the gaming community as a whole would become a completely different atmosphere. Keep up the incredible content jack!
Thanks delta! I really try to go outside of my comfort zone for a lot of the content I make. I really hope we can see some wins for Facepunch & EAC in the future, but only time will tell. Hope to see you for the history of clans finale!
18:20 gaming isn’t fun when things you enjoy eventually got nerfed/changed and the game itself loses its fun. (League of legends, Rust, Minecraft, dark and darker, worlds adrift, StarCraft II) every game I love gets ruined
Ive respected facepunch since Garrys mod but cheating in gaming has gotten so bad I stopped playing a couple months ago.
I like Vanilla but Im not grinding to be offlined by esp anymore.
I think you just suck
Good video on an important topic
Thanks Tonza! Bringing awareness to a lot of these issues really helps them get resolved.
Enjoyed cheating on OIl Town and then you unbanned me to keep my team on your server! I agree with tonza i fuck with this guy.
Your video editing skills are insane! TY for these visuals
Great video! I think you made a good comparison with the war on drugs. It's a never ending battle from both sides.
sooooo... cheater have won... got it
You know what would stop cheaters? If we had to link National IDs with gaming accounts, and getting caught cheating in game would lead to real world consequences. Many places do this already...for example South Korea. But the Western world just needs to catch up. You think a mom would ever let them touch a computer again if she had to pay $20K in court fees for her son's cheating in a video game?
Put in jail for saying mean words to my teammates in CS.
Just need AI powered anticheats thats trained on banned users gameplay. Maybe mobile phone verification to play in a trusted lobby as well.
I hate privacy too
Literally fascism btw
Waiting for a data breach to get half my personal information stolen!!! Linking any Id to a game is so stupid
@@Poloniumuwu You already give your information out dont be foolish. Feel free not to play then while we enjoy the cheater free server without you.
It the people who know how to hide cheats and use them sparingly while also already being at a high base level of skill that really fester and kill games overtime, while any negativity and calling out will get shut down has "skill issues". Stuff like this is found in top level esports and especially the speed running community over the last few years.
Not all cheaters are bad at the game.
i do driver development and a DMA card + a laptop is a big part of that, every anticheat getting pissy about DMA cards led me to get a second PC to do that work and im perfectly fine with that, i understand that i have an edge case.
The future is going to have to be hardware built in to the CPU to do memory monitoring, possibly even going as far as having a server figure out what memory should look like and send the hardware a checksum to compare in memory, this would drastically increase server costs but online games are becoming quickly unplayable even on consoles.
Got 997 hours in rust mostly played 2015-17. Man, those were some good times. Uninstalled when the component system came out cause I disliked it and the cheaters were getting out of hand.
Havent touched the game since. Sadly will never be part of the 1000 hour+ club.
Amazing content. I don't play rust anymore but binged your channel.
Appreciate you John! Yeah you got to take breaks from this game lol, hope to see you on the next upload.
Your editing and analogies are on point. I hope to see your channel grow.
Great video, can really appreciate the time put into the quality of the editing and story telling. Keep it up!
Hey appreciate you Soy, these videos take a long time but I'm happy I was able to do you guys justice, I look forward to seeing you in the next upload.
@@JackShephardTV it's drpn 😭
this was crazy educational especially for people without any prior knowledge. Ive known a bit just from my career and people ive talked to but there was still some very interesting information in this video. very well made
Appreciate you Velvet, well I would of loved to do more of a deep dive, I certainly felt I wanted people to get the subject matter at hand, when making this video at the very beginning at barely knew what DMA was.
Im genuinely impressed by your visuals. Who is your editor? And the sound effects too? This is absolutely wild.
man the way this video is edited is so crazy good
I'm joining the War on Cheaters, on the side of the Cheaters
I don’t get why people cheat. Just get good, lol. What’s the point of playing a game that plays for you? It’s like playing on easy mode, and it doesn’t feel good at all because you know you only got it because you cheated. Like, what’s the point?
@@theramonxd8 its a matter of low iq, cheaters are inherently less intelligent so their brains get satisfaction from it, a normal person obviously wouldn't.
Like you said, AC’s will patch something and then someone will eventually find vulnerabilities to that patch or a workaround in general. However we’re at the start of where it gets deep because hardware is the next step after kernel/bootkit and also the final obvious answer to bypass AC’s. Once they find a way to effectively combat DMA it leaves me thinking what’s the next step.
Nice video. I don't play Rust, but I love that devs cares. What is absolutely disgusting is Forza series, where there is so many cheaters you wouldn't believe. During 6 weeks on the most popular cheaters discord server I was able to make combined list of around 600 active cheaters, with their xbox accounts (xuid), steam accounts (steamid), discord names and more. I made it public and what I got for doing this was being harassed by other players, attacked for exposing known players on the scene and had other problems that I don't want to share publicly. I decided that it's not worth my effort and closed that experimental project.
I quit online first person shooters about 2010 because of the cheatos, back then they were glitch switching, exploiting map glitches to camp out, boosting, smurfing, all sorts of nonsense which took all the fun out of playing.
My account that I had from beta got banned couple years ago, never cheated as I love rust but to see actual cheaters not being banned makes it so much more frustrating