Did Pixar KILL 2D Animation?
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2019
- A big accusation that people throw at Pixar is that they ended the popularity of 2D animated films. Is this true? Are they responsible for ending the theatrical 2D trend?
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Pixar: I developed a new type of animation
Critics: So it's better than 2D
Pixar: Well, not really, but-
Critics: It is better than 2D!
This needs more likes.
Benjamin Robenalt it did get more
"No but its cheaper"
Critics: "This will be the end of 2D!"
Pixar: "I didn't mean to end 2D animation. There could still be more of tho--"
Critics: "Sorry, can't hear you over the piles of money 3D animation will make!"
Lmao Pixar wouldn’t say no but... they’d say yeah it’s way better than 2D since they’re the leading 3D animation studio
I can’t wait for Disney to start making 2D remakes of their 3D films
Wouldn't that be probably an upgrade?
Wait, are you talking about their CG films or their live action films?
no more remakes please
_please_ just
*_no_*
Ha ha!
@Rwaggy Rwuper Rwinstincts Em lion king? Live action shit.
Pixar: But, my movies aren't meant to replace 2D anima--
Disney: Sorry, I can't hear you over all this money you've got us!
*Gotten.
I think Saberspark used a clip from the Teen Titans Go movie, which is two-dimensionally animated.
@@lucaszhu1028 Yeah but Teen Titans Go is garbage, so therefore, I'm ignoring it.
@@faith4disney really dude?
@@Blaze-zm7zt Sí.
Seeing those animation desks empty and unused breaks my heart.
Lily Strong ikr ;-;
Ikr
It makes me genuinely sad and idk why but it does
I know Pixar made good movies but I just feel bad for Disney
😿💔
Same
*CGI:* _I'm about to end this man's whole career._
*Traditional Animation:* YEARS OF ACADEMY TRAINING WASTED!!!
Yeah. Such a shame now. The only places in which 2D animation is going to be respected now is pretty much social media like Reddit or NewGrounds
@@mix3k818 Or at least UA-cam itself. Think about other animated videos that has some beautiful quality while others have some animation errors that are made to be humorous (e.g. Sr Pelo, Yo Mama, etc.)
Social media respects traditional animation. Like the ones from Japan, we just need USA to get 100% its attention in 2D animation.
All that time and effort
While it is bad but isn't some new cartoons are thanks to it being uploaded onto here as a pilot like Mao Mao and Final Space etc?
"If you count Mulan as a Disney Princess"
*I count Kuzco as a Disney Princess*
😂😂
*I count him as a Disney princess too*
Disney Empress, actually
kuzco is princess goals
Technically according to Kronk's New Groove
"Did Pixar kill 2D Animation?"
The Final Answer: *Kind of, but they're not the only ones to blame.*
Short answer:well yes but actually no
Yea, we got Disney givin up with many following suit and audiences wanting more of 3D cg animation. We're all to blame, but both could sustain a balance. It's just one wasn't profitable. Profit = money to make more animation
I prefer 2D animation over 3D I don’t even know why.
I like both equally. 2D is really cool and the background look really outstanding. However, 3D animation is also evolving and looking gorgeous too. There needs to be a balance between both of these styles of animations
They did but it was not their intention.
Remember folks, The Academy Awards barred Tron from winning a Special Effects Oscar on the grounds that using computers was cheating. The movie industry is primarily motivated by favoritism and profits.
@Allen Janco This shows how unfair they are
@Aliens - No it was that the Lego movie wasn’t even nominated onto the list
No, Disney did. They actively sabotaged all of their final 2D films to justify not making anymore, despite one of them, Treasure Planet, being a gift to two of their most dedicated animators.
Also, current Disney executives have publicly admitted to hating their old 2D films.
Combine that with how they crushed all competition in animation, and you can see how Disney single-handedly killed the form of filmmaking that got them to where they are.
So yeah, Disney not Pixar, is to blame for the death of 2D animated films. No one else.
Just one more thing Disney ruined for everyone.
How the hell do you hate the animation that made you famous because honestly the Disney classics are all 2d animated
@@legsbeonpoint1795 Not "cool" enough.
@@legsbeonpoint1795 seriously
Agreed. I grew up enjoying Disney films and other stuff, both 2D and 3D. Now that I'm learning for the past few months of how Disney is treating others like crap, I feel rather betrayed.
"Did Pixar kill 2d Animation "
Bad Marketing:"Yes , but actually no"
Idk what "Bad Marketing" did but it sure did...
*_It sure did..._*
@@Nasrul260 Japan wants to talk with you.
I honestly miss 2d animated films. I wish they were still being made.
One word: anime
Were Not the same......😞
Anime
Anime isnt the same as 2d, at least in a visual point of view
Klaus?
Pixar: *Makes only 3d animated films/short films*
Also Pixar:: *Makes the beautiful story of Kitbull in 2d animation*
Kitbull is one of their most popular shorts too
KitBull was the most beautiful short ever fight me
It was beautiful and kind of sad as well
Burrow: Well hello there
No matter what you may prefer 2D or 3D, we can all agree on this:
At least they’re not those awful live-action remakes.
Terry R. ‘Live action’
Lol I know x3
@@cursified yes
kemuael i will give him a cookie
Terry R. Here's your cookie
(OwO)
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*Pixar* : I killed 2D animation
*Hayao Miyazaki* : hold my cigar
TRIGGER: Hello? Allow us to introduce ourselves. We are the saviors of anime. And we are going to burn your world...Do not misinterpret that with the you-know-what event that occurred in Japan, you know what I mean.
@@manuelalbertoromero9528 the Rape of Nanking? oh wait that was perpetrated by japan but didn't happen in japan
DAVID PRO:MENACINGLY MUDAS!
Miyazaki isn’t that amazing
A good director. But storyteller?
@@samandriaz5905 ORA
Princess and the Frog was released around the same time as Avatar. That's bad timing...
And ironically Avatar is now a Disney movie
Someone: **kills 2D animation**
Everyone else: *wait, that's beyond illegal*
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You think?
Randy RodgersGD E
Nobody:
Absolutely no one:
Not a single soul:
Me: h-
Also me: I'm about to do what is called a pro-gamer move.
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Sad to learn that really good movies like Treasure Planet, Atlantis and Emperor's New Groove weren't box office hits
This Justine
Treasure Planet is honestky underrated in my opinion.
So as lilo and stich
Nacket Donut It is extremly underrated. Visually it’s stunning and has a really tight plot. But it’s partly Disney’s fault for having it compete against Harry Potter: Chamber of Secrets and Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers with it’s release in cinemas...
They even spoiled thhe movie in the trailers.
Disney sabotaged Treasure Planet too
Treasure Planet deserved better.
You said it
It did. I LOVE that movie. It's a true masterpiece.
Elizabeth, agreed
Yes
YES
It feels like Disney tried too hard to to be like Pixar, that they forgot how to make the true Disney magic stories happen
CGI and 3D animation: "I am inevitable."
Independent cell and 2D animated films: "You know I'm still here, right?"
3D: "2d animation is no more."
2D: "Quit telling everyone I'm dead!"
3D: "Sometimes I can still hear his voice..."
Japan: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@merrittanimation7721 😂😂😂😂😂😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Redline was one of the best films I have ever seen.
@@slimnagirac3393 7 years worth of GLORIOUS 2D cell animation goodness. God, they don't make them like they used to.
The world may not be hungry for 2D animation, but some people are thirsty for it.
I too am wishing for 2D animation to return. But I fear I may be an old man by the time that miracle happens.
That's where japanese anime movies meant to fill that void.
@@diegorivas1991 You mean with movies like Spirited Away, and Mary and the Witch's Flower.
@@dreamguardian8320 Sword of the stranger. Tokyo godfathers. Paprika. Grave of the fireflies. Those are some titles for people of 18 and over. Be prepared to be emotionally eviscerated. Like when seeing a group of kind-hearted homeless people finding a newborn on a trash pile on Christmas Eve. Don't be fooled: anime isn't only for teenagers.
@@mikshin9825 I never thought it was only for teenagers.
No. Studio executives killed hand-drawn animation. Period.
Yeah! They thought it got down-graded in the mid-2000's
Joshua Sage - Thanks to Disney’s low-budget, direct-to-video projects.
@@Geblawi Seriously,What were they thinking with all those in the first place?
@@Joshua_Quinzel_Isley kids will watch anything
2D animation isn't dead (especially not with Anime). If anything, it needs to be given the chance to be artistic again. There are so many Disney 2D movies that, despite having brilliant visuals, had lousy stories. I wait for the moment 2D is able to make a comeback even more creative than before. Heck, we thought stop-motion was dying for a while. I think Aardman, LAIKA
9despite what they did to Will Vinton), and whoever made Fantastic Mr Fox are perfect examples that stop-motion isn't dead.
Wes Anderson made Fantastic Mr. Fox, he also made Isle of Dogs, too.
anime penguin has you in his sights, metaphorically and visually
Wes Anderson made Fantastic Mr. Fox
Also, the technology used for CG films is always being upgraded overtime. CG is so advanced now, it can actually bring in elements of 2D animation. Just look at the recent trend of stylized CG animation
Japan and Europe are pretty much the hold outs for Traditonal animation right now.
Also, Ariel looks less angry that pixar kiled 2d animation and more like she'd jealous of Elastigirls boobies. XD
godzilla4189 haha we really does
Forget the boobs. Look at THAT ASS.
Shhh. SHUDUP. FBI Is watching you. (JK)
Agreed.
Japan is considering using computer animation since the fire in Kyoto brought awareness to how hard and abused the illustrators were.
"2D Animation is dead"
Japan: *laughs in Anime*
Japanese Studios: *Raughs in inhumane working conditions*
@@adriannaranjo4397 kyoani laughs in response.
brunoais Kyoani laughs in flames
@@ayotzella885 too soon.
While I think japan held the banner high for 2D animation, there is a worrisome shift brewing over there too. CG animation is on a rise in Japan. And I fear that a change that we already seen here in the west is coming to them also. :/
The question should have been.. is Disney fun without 2D animation?
The short answer is?.. NO!!!
So they can't do any other formula?
They did, and to me, they are still not fun.
I don't like 3D.
@hee hee
Exactly. And it's not like Disney is the only one either. Even Dreamworks stopped doing 2D.
@hee hee Yyyyyyep.
Dear, even if Disney does make 2D, I am not watching.
pixar: gets more money than disney
disney: buys pixar
Opposite with Marvel.
@@cascas9656 disney:makes a lot of money
Marvel: buys disney
Stonks
@@wertnolastname5228 Disney: buys Marvel.
Marvel: makes lots of money.
*Hopefully*
The next generation would be able to appreciate Traditional Animation
Such Artstyle is too great to be forgotten
I hope so too.
I definitely agree
2D is not an artstyle
Duchi
I want to teach this one day when I'm old and gray. But, for me to break in the industry is hella tough.
2D animation wasn't just killed, it was MURDERED
Pretty much the same thing...
Muh-muh-murder
Most of Japan: Are we a joke to you?
Roman Empaia 😂 you're cracking me up
There are people at the Ministry of Magic who don't want me to tell you this, but I think you should know the truth. 2D animation didn't die in an accident. It was murdered by Lord Voldemort!
Cats Don’t Dance is underrated to a T. The fact that it bombed in the box office is the first nail in the coffin that killed 2D.
it's funny because 2D animation still lives in Japan. But they are making their animators' lives a hell even worst than what disney did in the 90's. Oh boy history does repeat itself
They also outsource most of the leg work to South Korea.
@@AyaReikoTripleElite + china and many south asia country
Must be an American thing cause 2D animation never died in Japan. And they found ways to mesh 3D and 2D together beautifully. Well for the most part.
Hello, Berserk 2016-17
I like how for years the Japanese combined CGI with 2D animation. That's something I wish Disney would continue doing since they did it throughout the 90s
@Enzo Matrix True.
And that's why I love Japan
It’s so sad how accepted 2D is over there while here it’s just buried
As an 2D animator myself. I want to be the change in the industry. I wish to see both 2D and 3D coexist in this new decade.
Agreed.
Wow, I'm a 2d animator too trying to start my own studio! I have five ideas for films planned should things go well financially.
Me too!!
Hmm, we should all talk sometime.
@@arjb1046 yeah, we should. I also go by Smithygcn online and sometimes by Smithyygcn here in youtube.
Nya, Honestly, 2D is only "dead" in the United States, in movie theaters, specifically. In the rest of the world I assure you that it's alive. Yes, during the 3D explosion in the 2000s in Europe we experienced a 3D boom but in the end, in general terms, we came to the conclusion that it was the system to make cheap productions of use and throw, second category films. Some are still released in this system, mainly of characters that were born in 3D and some companies that specialized in it, but in recent years the great animated blockbusters, those that take all the prizes and those loved by critics and audiences are in 2D.
There are a couple of details that I think is important to highlight.
Anime movies gathers more and more public in the theathers (I don't know how the situation will be in the United States but in Europe this is very remarkable, there are more and more premieres and more publicity and marketing campaigns)
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On the other hand the Chinese titan has finally woken up and also seems a future contender to consider. Africa may even have something to say in the future, taking into account the progress its animated cinema is having lately.
In many countries the productions of companies such as Dreamworks have lost the fight against local films. Even Pixar seems to be experiencing a setback because of its sequels. Even his new stories don't seem to be up to previous ones like "Wall.e" or "Up".
No doubt Disney will slow down the process with its CGI films that amass a lot of money and that the general public doesn't recognize as animated films even if they are (and with the tactic of buying more companies in a desperate attempt to make more money and destroy the competition), but it seems clear that we are in a new moment of change, as happened in 1995 with "Pocahontas" and "Toy Story".
In short, I think we are going to live interesting times.
This is such a great comment, a great overview of animation worldwide.
My main hope for the future is that Disney ends up going through tough times, allowing the European and possibly the Chinese animation industry to grow stronger and maybe exert themselves beyond their borders more clearly, and allowing the African scene to finally mature without that much American competition.
These are all very interesting assertions but you've failed to name even a single 2D blockbuster since you claim it is alive and well outside of the US. I was not very blown away by the animated offerings in the international film festival circuit in 2019; festivals I traveled outside of the US to attend. There was one from Pakistan that allegedly took ten years to produce but it looked direct-to-dvd and the messages are far from universal let alone comprehensible. And I saw a Chinese 3D film that looked technically comparable to Pixar but I swear it's a story that's been told a million times before.
@@AaaaNinja Okay you need to shut.
@@AaaaNinja You have said you aren't from outside of North America so you don't get a say in what happens outside of it.
Im goong to copy your essay
I'm reminded of a quote from an interview with John Lasseter (the chief creative officer at PIXAR during their most famous years) whenever the topic of the death of 2D animation in the west is brought up.
"...Think of two movie studios that are making live action films. One makes really popular films and the other just so-so films. The so-so films studio would look over and go *Oh I get it! I know why our films are not doing well at the box office, we're using the wrong camera! We're gonna use that camera from that film studio that's doing amazing work! And now our movies are gonna be liked by audiences.* Of course that's ridiculous but that's the way we feel about hand-drawn animation vs computer animation. Never in the history of cinema has a movie been entertaining to an audience because of the technology. It's what you do with the technology, it's what you do with the medium that's so special. (...) 2D animation became the scapegoat for bad storytelling."
What was especially interesting to me was that John said in the same interview that the very first thing PIXAR wanted to do when they merged with Disney & John was made the chief creative guy at Disney Animation Studio, was make a hand-drawn animated film.
PIXAR was never out to defeat 2D animation, they wanted to participate in making it.
Yeah but Lasseter quickly gave up on 2D after Winnie the Pooh bombed at the box office in 2011. He said that there would be a 2D animated film released every two years but he just gave up on it because 2D wasn’t that profitable for appealing to a niche fanbase.
Thanks for sharing that! That's really cool
Pixar should make a 2d animated film, I think it would succeed
Only if Winnie the Pooh had a stronger story, it may have saved the 2D animations style at Disney
Lasseter, like his predecessors, quickly gave up on 2D animation though, seeming to think not enough people like it anymore.
Feel like all the crappy direct to vhs sequels didn’t help. Gave 2D a rep fro being lesser quality.
Not all of them were crappy.
Olfersisapotato Oof like 3-4 were good. Most were lazy cash grabs. I liked them when I was a little kid and didn’t know better, but the negative impact they left can’t be denied.
Even the theatrical animated films sucked, I'm looking at you Home on the Range.
Yeah, this was the Disney cash grab before the whole live action trend. And even when they spit out a goodish story, the animation quality generally was low.
BoyNamedSue wtf ur name is boy named sue
Mike Eisner: "Did you boycott treasure planet?"
Disney: "Yes..."
Mike Eisner: "What did it cost?"
Disney: "2D animation/everything"
And they really shouldn't have. 😔
It's a shame too. I really enjoyed treasure planet and stand by my opinion that's it's one of their best 2D animated films.
Forget lion king I’d rather see that as a live action movie
Treasure Planet was also one of their best ones, it’s a crime what happened to it.
@@huffleclaw1019 How about a 3D re-release instead?
“Disney couldn’t keep up after Pocahontas”
Lilo and Stitch: Hold my root beer.
Lilo is 2 young to be making stonks, letting alone drinking!
Lilo: hold my tea
Yeeeessssss
“hold the pickle jar!”
I love Mulan and Tarzan.
The only time I could ever get the students in my after school program to watch a movie is if I put on one of the old school Disney 2D animated movies like 101 Dalmatians and the rescuers. If they see a movie like zootopia or toy story 3, the don’t wanna watch it because “they’ve already seen it” but every time I put on a classic 2D their eyes are glue to the screen the whole time. And I can show it to them again a month later and they’ll still be mesmerized. It’s the colors and dynamic, non uniform look of 2D animation that draws their attention because this is exactly the medium kids imagine when they day dream
Although 2D animation is great, I’m still waiting for that nice 5D animation. I’m sure it’ll be a lot better
The fuck is 5D animation 🤔
I honesty think 5D is meh when it comes to animation i prefer 69D
NiceD
August Rollins maybe try doing research.
@@vive_faux6909 nah man, the best animation is 420D
AND now...
People wants 2D animations back.
Thay feeling has been felt for some time.
Thank Anime for being less PC-centered (and even if it does, the PC IS a direct plot contributor)
Maybe that's just us? I will say though, the "modern, futuristic, new" look of CG animations is losing the fascinating, sleek brand new luster it once had, plus plenty of older CG animations have started to age, but classic 2D animations still look great to this day.
Can Disney just admit that their box office flops from the past still would have flopped even if they'd been in 3D?
When I saw Teen Titans Go! to the Movies, I got this rush of excitement that I haven’t been getting with CGI features. It actually made me feel like a kid again
In 10 years there will be a 2D animated movie called "Memer and splinter" don't question it, just mark my words
I miss 2D animation, it's a shame it's not mainstream anymore. Hand-drawn animation is just so timeless and nostalgic.
3D is always changing due to better technology, so after a while, it'll always look a bit dated to some degree...
Japan would like to know your location.
The only thing that would ever date an animated movie is the audio quality lmao
Hmmm... No, thats just bias
There are plenty of hand-drawn cartoons that aren't aging for one reason or another, whether it be due to the animation style or the inexperience of the creators. 3D is always changing, but I can name plenty of 3D animated that still look excellent despite the vast improvements in technology.
Rae Marie it doesn’t help that two of Disney’s 2D films, Atlantis and Treasure Planet specifically, were beaten like a dead horse before they even got a chance to race.
Disney actively sabotaged their releases, over-exposing both films with commercials that basically told you outright what was going to happen and losing audience anticipation. They were both complete flops, but honestly they might have sustained 2D animation for Disney at least by a few years had the producers not been so ignorant to create their own self-fulfilling prophecy.
Me too. I love 2D animation. I wish our animation was more like Japan's. Their 2D anime is excellent.
half-baked woody with a ginormous melting chin is not exactly what i thought i'd see today
Welcome to 1985.
Time stamp plz?
@@MrKilljay 4:47
@@Casocki
Not all heroes wear capes
I actually like The Emperor's New Groove (not the "sequel" though), but maybe that's just me.
Wait there's a sequel? Eh, never mind. I liked the movie a lot too.
I wanna watch emperors new groove
But I don’t know where to watch it
:(
Curiously, Dreamworks began with 2D (Prince of Egypt, someone?)
Egypt** and that is my favorite movie cus the song lol
Also other 2D animated movies such as Spirit Stallion of Cimarron!
@@MegaGermanShepherds heavily underrated.
In before someone says that everything is fine because anime still exists. What people aren't realizing is that people also miss Western 2D animation. The kind we had in the 90s. It's stylistic different from anime in many ways and people have a right to want that back.
Trust me I love things like Studio Ghibli too, but I also want 2D animation to have even more diversity.
Also fighting western cartoons in the 90s.We dont get these days.
@@Vathananable Ok K.O.: Am I a joke to you?
Flash animation says hi
Well 2d is still on tv.
@@molotera8789
Don't forget toomboom.
I miss 2D animation, but 3D is fantastic depending who is responsible.
But I feel more of the live action CGI is becoming more and more tooooo realistic to the point it being emotionless like the lion king.
That’s what makes me miss 2D more. But at least 3D is still fantastic.
The Reptile Durppy anime
I like anime, don’t watch much but still like it
Agreed, new Lion King doesn't play up to the strangths of 3D animation. I don't think we'll see a return to 2D animation unless animators start competing in ways 3d animators can't.
I agreed with you here.
I don't think Pixar are the ones to blame for the 2D animation disappears, since they were first meant to bring the 3D animation to the world.
I think the real problem is the CGI/Live Action remakes that try to replace the classics.
Agreed, some live actions are between good and OK. But the originals are always better
15:19 See, that's what's important. A strong story is obviously the key to any story, no matter the medium Disney( and occasionally Dreamworks) seem to forget this sometime.
Blame the companies, and the mainstream audiences.
The Rugrats movie was a big success though, it was the first non-Disney animated film to gross over $100 million in the United States
I think Saberspark means that The Rugrats Movie helped created the belief that 2D animated films are lower quality than CGI films.
If anything, it should have shown just how profitable 2D animated movies could be!
Austin Hinton I agree!
Markus Steel Wright And the Spongebob movie (2004) brought equal success like the Rugrats FIlm.
@@madcapmakov2 I don't think SpongeBob counts though, SpongeBob was popular before hand, and wasn't an original concept. Sure, it was 2D animated, but I feel like it would have been a success anyways.
The Emperor’s New Groove is so freakin good. But I also love Toy Story so so much
I SEE U *EVERYWHERE*
The two most underrated disney movies are the emperor's new groove and atlantis
Emporers new groove is _so_ underrated
@Estela Lopez No, not my favorite Disney movie. Don't do it to em
underated movie indeed
I really think, in spite of all the amazing advancements in 3d animation, that 2d is just better in terms of a soulful storytelling medium. I really adore the look of 2d films and I hope that we eventually his some kind of 2d renaissance or something in the near future. I think don bluth filma in particular are gorgeous and hold up incredibly well
I have only watched The lion king, Bambi, Aladdin, The Iron giant, and the Atlantis movie out of all the 2D Disney films. I love Toy Story, Shriek 1 and 2, UP, Megamind, Flushed Away, Wallace and Gromit and many more 3D animated films. Also I can't get enough of good life action films and shows. I don't dislike 2D animation (I really liked the animated transformers movie) and I have enjoyed the ones I have seen, but I don't know how I would feel about a rise of 2D.
Lord of the trash Black Wallace and Gromit and Flushed Away aren’t 3D, they’re stop motion.
I enjoy 3D animation back then, and now I am sick of them.
some 3d animations are good but when you look at 2d it gives a lot of emotions and I would expect disney to make 2d and dreamsworks can make 3d
@@Femmeaesthetic dreamwork made Sinbad
Treasure Planet was only a flop because Disney set it up to fail!
I agree
Theriomancer What ever you say, you whacko.
I think it was poor marketing, until a couple of weeks ago I didn't know Treasure Planet existed
@Estela Lopez I didn't watch a whole lot of Disney Channel
@@HydraSpectre1138 How can it be a conspiracy theory when there were reports from across the country of theaters being empty but still making millions and certain movie rating sites lying and hiding hype about the movie?
cosmicbook.news/disney-lying-captain-marvel-box-office-numbers
Treasure Planet is criminally underrated. You also can't deny the bandwagon effect pushing animation this way as well. Also, also, You keep using renaissance for 3D animation, when it really has yet to see a decline.
whiterabbit75 Oh yeah, it is extremly underrated. Visually it’s stunning and has a really tight plot. But it’s partly Disney’s fault for having it compete against Harry Potter: Chamber of Secrets and Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers with it’s release in cinemas... it’s like they wanted it to fail.
@asian dude
How so?
@@christianbjorck816
Yeah, going up against blockbusters with an admittedly niche film was just silly. You can't just ride on name recognition alone.
I think that movie was a victim of the Katzenburg feud. It sounds like it had a pretty troubled production history and Disney didn't put as much effort into marketing it as it had previous films.
I agree I loved treasure planet it was so freaking good I can't believe it did so bad at the box office. It was so fresh and steampunk and it was cool.
2D films popularity dies*
Klaus: ima stop you right there
In my opinion Klaus brought back my love for 2D movies and so i now can't stop watching it
So much YES.
You neglected to mention that Disney INTENTIONALLY tanked Treasure Planet and that the reason why Disney and Katzenberg had a falling out was cause Katzenberg renegged on a promise with Robin Williams and Aladdin
Why did they blow Treasure Planet, especially after Lilo & Stitch did well?
To me Treasure Planet felt trying too hard, desperation, they know that everyone already knows Treasure Island so put it in space to try to make it feel fresh enough.
@@suarezguy because Michael Eisner felt if he couldn't own Pixar than he would beat them at their own game. So he tanked Treasure Planet as an excuse to shut down the 2D Animation department to instead have Disney switch to Computer Animation (ironically)
Also Lilo & Stitch while a box office hit didn't do as well as they had hoped opening at #2 behind Minority Report and only making $140 Million+ off its original $80-100 million budget (Hollywood math is funny, you have to make double the money back domestically or else the film is considered to have underperformed)
@@suarezguy Treasure Planet also came out the same weekend as the first Harry Potter. Disney was part of the bidding war over the film and television rights for the beloved books. So Eisner knew what he was doing when he had Treasure Planet have the same release day.
Anyone who didn't know that the first Harry Potter movie was going to light up the box office would have to be a moron of epic proportions and I don't think Eisner is
I really feel like Treasure Planet got screwed over. It was a great movie, but the advertising was awful, borderline nonexistent, and to boot, it was released on the same weekend and forced to compete alongside the first Harry Potter movie.
Agree and a lot of good scenes were also cut from the movie but I agree it was not advertised well.
I don't think I've ever heard of. Treasure Planet before, i think I might check it out.
@Winifred Eghrudje ok
Even as a total harry potter lover, treasure planet was one of my favorite movies as a kid
But you have to admit there was a structural problem with the film.
Spiderverse is SO good on so many levels!!
edit: i can tell ya'll now, everyone on tumblr is starving for 2D animation right now.
TRIGGER: Don't worry hun. I got ya covered.
Spiderverse was actually a mix of 2D and 3D...
Tumblr is garbage.
Tumblr is still a thing?
@@TheHuskyK9 yup
Disney: "The world doesn't want 2D animation anymore."
Japan: "Sore wa chigau yo!"
*N A N I*
Eh, it's the west
Tell them, huxley.
(i know im 11 months late but i cant skip a good danganronpa reference)
I loooove The Emperor's New Groove. It's like a cult classic for me. It hits all my marks, if you ask me.
I think Saber forgot one major thing that killed 2D in Hollywood: DIRECT TO VIDEO SEQUELS! Here's why IMO, these sequels were not only bad but also gave people the impression that 2D was cheap and soulless.
And remember, Disney weren't the only ones guilty of this. There are 13 Land Before Time sequels. Just saying.
Don't forget the current mindset that G-rated films are for kids, and 3D films are for families.
I don't think it's a coincidence that most 2D films are rated G, and most 3D films are rated PG.
@@alecfoisy58 When I first read I was like 'that can't be right' but after being on imdb for a few minutes I think you're right to think that you're right in that time that was the thought. Nowadays though I think PG just means G. I can't even think of recent movie that is G rated.
@@willkirwan There's Cars 3 and Toy Story 4, but they were already part of G-rated franchises.
@@alecfoisy58 yeah and its funny that most of the g movies back then had a lot of pg elements and now they just put the pg rating on a movie so they think more people will see it but they have no substance
@Matthew Chenault What do sitcoms have to do with animated movies?
Disney before toy story: we arent doing a 3d animated feature film. Its to expensive, time consuming, and risky.
Everyone: I disagree!
Disney now: we arent doin a 2d animated feature film. Its to expensive, time consuming, and risky.
Everyone: i disagree!
Neil Brown It’s sort in of an annoying thing to say just by itself, but the “dear” part makes you seem like a creepy asshole.
@Neil Brown I agree with you, but you're being such a dick I disliked your commeny anyways.
I think what killed 2D animation was laziness and funding...
Pixar didn't kill 2D. In the documentary, The Pixar Story, Lasseter says that everyone at Pixar loved 2D,but it was a dying form and everyone wanted something new. And that's what they gave.
2D movies: We're beautiful, classics! People love us!
Pixar: I'm 'bout to end this whole man's career.
“2D animation is dead” Japan laughs in the background
Amedeo Carnino lmfao ima sub to u
Amedeo Carnino Japan has also started to incorporate more and more 3D animation every year and it wouldn't be the first time an animation style was outright killed for a more cost effective style, traditional hand painted cel animation has been almost completely killed off for digital animation back during the turn of the century. As much as I hate to say it, I think digital 2D anime is next on the chopping block
And every other foreign country. Seriously, it's like America is the only country that refuses to put hand-drawn animation back into theaters unless the film is based directly off of a TV series.
@@jonnysac77 Unlikely.
*raughs
A criticism I would make here--and of a lot of this general discussion--is that I think it makes too strong an assumption that people prefer CGI animation, where tons of people I know prefer 2D (and I'm seeing this in the comments too). I think studios made this same assumption too, when the real issue was, as you highlighted, Pixar was putting out better stories in their 3D movies than Disney did in their 2D movies. For some reason, studios (Disney specifically) don't seem to notice what people are actually saying about the style they prefer. Maybe it's because of Princess and the Frog's grossing, but that also had a pretty convoluted story, much as I love that movie.
I do think it's interesting that we're now starting to see 3D animation start to imitate 2D animation. For instance, you talked about Spiderverse and what it's doing with 3D, but I think it looks at least as much like 2D animation as stereotypical 3D animation. I think this "blending" is the next big animation frontier, at least for Western theatrical animation.
Can you review Hoodwinked since practically no one has seen it?
Hoodwinked is funny one. I don't think the animation is brilliant, the voice actors are mostly phoning it in, but I love it regardless. I think what draws me to it is that it's very tightly written; the way that most of the first half of the movie foreshadows the second reminds me of Edgar Wright/Three Cornettos (and that is very much a good thing).
That's the only movie that breaks my "rule". I have trouble watching shoddy animation, but Hoodwinked is the only movie EVER that I still watch because of the humor.
Saber: "2D is dead."
Anime: "Am I a joke to you?"
Lmao this comment so accurate
2D from Gorillaz: wait I’m not dead. What’s going on?
*Attack On Titan season 1 theme intensity’s*
fuck Anime
@@jotarokujo1129 isn't that the plan of a fucking Lolicon?
I really miss 2D animation :(
The hand drawn animations was really beautiful and I didn’t care if it was underrated films it was fun to watch even if I was born in the early 2000s.
Same I was born in 2000, 2D animation is my favorite
I was born in 2007.
I’d love to see 2D animation rise again. I loved it so so much...
My Studio is bring back 2D Animations
then be a weeb
memeboy I will be no such thing, I love anime hell grow up watching it but being a weeb has its limits. Don’t get me wrong I don’t have a problem with weebs it’s just not my thing.
Honestly, since the big hint that KLAUS was, I can see a *_BARROCO_* of 2d and 3d animation coming soon, and it's called _"STYLIZED ANIMATION"_
Also I would like to add that saying later 2D movies not being as good is subjective because I enjoyed a lot of them and a handful are actually among my top favorites! Including Iron Giant, Atlantis, Emperor's New Groove, Lilo & Stitch, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, even during their original release (I was in elementary school). I've always favored them over the CG films that dominated the intellectually irrelevant Box office and still do. Just because it's different from Broadway style colorful and bright musicals of whimsy doesn't make them 'not as good'.
That annoys me. 😠 Why it died was because the novelty of new kid CG and families pressuring Disney to stay 'family-friendly' and keeping to their trademark fairytale musical brand, and companies/audiences throwing their money and support into CG production and marketing was the nail to the coffin. This is why mainstream Western 2D has become a hollow business dependent on meme culture for fast money, companies have been discouraged in creatively exploring. Conversely, in Asia, exploration is highly encouraged in the industry. So in a way, Pixar (CG) was the starting point to killing 2D, made the Western public's preferences shift.
2D Animation: Yes we have created a new era of animation!
3D Animation: I’m about to end this mans whole career
I've actually met a couple of incredulous old Disney animators who expirenced that during a bootcamp in the 2000s. The sad part is that they didn't understand why their decision was dismantled when the answer was so obvious. 3D animation, while using the same animation principles as 2d animation, can produce the same product at a faster and cheaper rate. Simple as that. Most 2D animations do not use the medium's strangths hard enough (via use of space), and because of that 2D animators became complacent.
It's not saying that one medium is more superior to the other, it's just the honest truth, as it is now 3d animation is more is more efficient than 2d animation.
There’s still 2D animation production in Japan, South Korea, and Europe. Like ‘Song of the Sea’ was nominated for Annie Award and Oscars, unfortunately, it didn’t do well financially in the US (around $800k). In my opinion, the film, the visual, the music, and the story was beautiful. It’s a shame some audience can’t take a break from 3D animation films just to appreciate 2D animators’ hours of hard work and hand cramps.
Also to note, Cuphead brought 2D animation style back to life. The game was a phenomenal. If you have time, go check out ‘Hand Drawn’ it’s a 20 minute interview/documentary about animators doing 2D animation.
Cuphead is an interesting point. It's one big homage to a veery old style of animation.
Although i dare venture that gamers are more open minded to different artstyles than the regular movie going audience. Games has always been displayed digitally, so they never had a "baseline" style such as live action movies. Every game needs to come up with their own visuals, so gamers are probably more used to that sort of thing.
To the point it got a show for Netflix.
I loved Song Of The Sea. I saw it at a pop-up theatre
Tamara Rambo
japan has anime 🥴🥴
The thing is, Pixar's films weren't better than what Disney was producing at the time *because* they were in 3D. They were just better films. I could imagine Toy Story could have worked just as well animated in the traditional style.
Shrek bumped Disney, HARD
And now Disney is obsessed with making Live Action Remakes of their classic films whereas Pixar is at least making more original films. I mean sure they did do sequels but they actually said after Toy Story 4 they are not gonna do anymore sequels which is good, because I want to see more original titles.
They’re banking on people’s demand for nostalgia. They’ve noticed with the 101 Dalmatians in the 90s that it smashed box office numbers.
If there is a 50% chance of it bringing in money then it’s a gamble worth taking. Then people will get bored and the fad will die down eventually.
Yeah but onward isn’t looking too good
CrossSaber Studios - it will die down due to quality like old western films. It’s a fad market after all.
I will always love 2D animation over computer animation. I like computer animation well enough, but 2D has my heart.
Mine too. It seems more alive as well
Great video mr. Saber! Have you done ferngully yet? Or how disney got it and the seqwel?
I feel that films like Emperors New Groove, Lilo & Stitch and Princess & the frog had strong stories that could compete with Pixar’s, but most of them unfortunately didn’t get much attention from the general audience. I say most, cause Lilo & Stitch was a special acceptation to this, making multiple follow up series’s, and Stitch being essentially Japan’s Mickey Mouse. Unfortunately not only was cgi a competitor with animation, but also live action, with projects like pirates of the Caribbean, and the beginning of live action versions of existing properties(101 Dalmatians). Disney was experimenting with other projects
Everyone: 2D animation is dead
Anime: am I a joke to you?
Stolen comment. There’s an identical one 2 hours older than this one.
Yes.
Lots of anime is that weird 2.5D crap that looks like it rubs at 5 fps.
Shaman Xeed
a weeb isn’t an anime lover. the correct word is otaku
TheBestPortal Only weebs specify the difference between otaku and weeb.
Disney: *exists*
Pixar: "I'm about to end this mans whole career"
Disney: I am about to buy this man!
JRaptor51, Well, more like CHANGE their whole career.
Also, over 100 likes but only two replies including mine. UA-cam you haven’t been drinking again have you.
@@caldercockatoo2234 Very few people actually comment. It's easier to hit the thumb than respond.
Jeggson Vohees, Well most popular comments like this have a lot of replies as well.
It depends on the comment. I wouldn't call 134 likes particularly popular. Popular might also just pertain to the like ratio, or it can number of comments. I've often found that a large amount of replies on "popular" comments have little to do with the initial comment, and concern a discussion or disagreement between two or more of the repliers. Like I said, it all depends.
i dread the day 2d animation will be considered “vintage”
This was a nice video essay. I am definitely on the side of those who blame the fall of 2D animation in Western Cinemas on the decline in quality, and the poor treatment of the creators by the Studio's that distributed the movies. It really is a shame that 2D animation gets thrown under the bus so much now in the US. My only real pet peeve with the video is Saber having to keep explaining himself when he is discussing how the post Renaissance Disney animated movies did poorly critically , and in the box office. I personally understood what he was trying to say the first few times, and that he wasn't hating on those movies.. At the same time though I do appreciate him doing it so that people won't interpret it' like he's trashing the movies. I also would have liked it if, in the conclusion portion of the video, he'd mentioned 2D animations influence on Western TV animation, and the rise in popularity of independent animation, and International forms of Animation, like anime, as a way of reminding the viewer that even if Hollywood doesn't care for 2D animation anymore, it still has a strong following in the US and most parts of the world, even though it's niche. But these are just knit picks, Overall the video was pretty solid. Nice job Saber.
I'm not blaming, but the audience is, in my mind, the biggest reason 2D dropped. They wanted to see CG. They wanted to see the new and more advanced technology. So, 2D became less popular.
...You literally blamed the audience.
@@manuelalbertoromero9528 hahaha.🤣
I think its the story, Disney has poorly made stories.
Professor Rosenstock Definitely. That's the main reason, the audience is just second or third. They stories in the early 2000's were not as good as Disney could do.
I've always perfered 2D animation for some reason. I just don't really like realism, I guess
I agree 100%
i think 2d animations looks a lot more visually clear and appealing, its a lot easier to see and make out stuff in 2d animation, facial expressions feel more expressive, you can pinpoint characters in crowded shots, the colors tend to be more clear, solid, and colorful in a way
2d animated movies can even look more realistic then 3d cause of their great and fluid moments cinematography
Yea I'll take 2D in majority of the time, sure 3D can look good but sometimes it can just seem weird or pointless as the movie does nothing to make proper use of 3D.
Pure Essence Games It's one of the reasons of love Into the Spider-verse. because it actually tries to be different.
All of the people at Andy’s party are Andy
I miss 2D so much...
I stopped caring about Pixar as soon as they sold out.
2D is still a very respectable form of animation. 3D is a whole different dimension.
Nowadays, why companies uses 3D rather than 2D, it's because it doesnt take a freaking lot of time drawing each frame.
Hell, even when they do venture into 2D, it kinda gives me the feel that every frame isn't carefully drawn but rather just figures on some flash animation program whose limbs are just being pulled around
@Cynical Joker especially having to rig, lighting, texture, camerawork, effects, and render all together is more costly and time consuming as much as 2d animation is, but even so it's still widely used as 2d character/effects reference with 3d animation.
With 3D animation movement is limited to how much rigging is done for the character, with 2D animation each frame can be fully manipulated despite the base structure of the character
However somethings are just easier to animate in 3D rather than 2D.
Usually things that have very dynamic shapes. (Cars, planes, mechs, etc)
I think if you have the hardware to render good 3D in a tolerable amount of time, It will be faster than making the same animation with 2D.
Because 3D assets are easily ported in. Although 2D can also have saved assets for reuse, it still needs a lot of time to configure the assets in the process of animating.
3D can be very beautiful though if you have the right people making them.
Critics when 3D movies were new: Wow this is amazing! Forget 2D!
Critics now:
Bring back 2D animation in theatres!
Everyone is hypocritical scum
Imagine calling someone scum for making a fucking comment
@@Akrenix
P sure they didn't mean you
They were generalizing not specifically you
@@enbiaroace
Probably struck a nerve...
I honestly really really miss watching 2D movies. They were such good movies and they will always have a place in my heart. I miss seeing the Aristocats style of animation; the very sketchy outlines, the good anatomy, thr personalities. I remember growing up saying I wanted to work for Pixar as an animator. The movie that caused me to pursue this was Ratatoille. I have sense lost that desire but; what im trying to say is 2D animation is superior in my own opinion and liking. Yes theres good 3D movies; i cant deny that. But all of my favourite movies were 2D. And i do miss it a lot. I wish i was still a thing for Disney movies
I really love the style of 2D animated films and kinda miss the time of watching a good 2D Disney movie for the first time
It's a shame because a lot of the 2D movies at the time were really good movies and had very beautiful animation.
Not to mention Atlantis' amazing soundtrack.
Atlantis’ soundtrack has nothing to do with the animation, all it is is part of a audio-visual medium.
@@carsfan1995
The nice soundtrack was a bonus to the nice animation.
@@ZachlyGaming
I bet if they rereleased them,or had before the pandemic,nowadays,people would love them cause of thirst for 2D movies.
You forgot about the Princess and the Frog if you only mention Atlantis.
Brother Bear had a better soundtrack.
The Emporer's New Groove wasn't a success?
Wait, what?
Next thing you're going to tell me is that The Road to El Dorado wasn't one either!
Yeah, sorry to tell you this...it wasn't a success. On the bright side, it has a cult following.
Misery Loves Company shame! Those are some of the best movies ever
It's a good movie, that doesn't mean it was successful
Yeah as you can see sometimes on UA-cam successful things aren't always good...
It wasn't, financial and critical success do not always dwell in the same house
I'm going to study animation in Lincoln, UK this September. At the start of the course, you learn the basic techniques of 2D and 3D animation and after a while, you get to decide if you want to continue studying 2D or 3D. I've decided to study 2D animation because I will attempt to make it more popular again in modern media. I personally think there's too much CG animation in today's film and TV industry, therefore I think it is time to go back to the traditional style.
Good luck. As a huge fan of 2D animation, I'll be rooting for you.
@@lynntaylor9681 me too
16:37
Dang.... Voldemort is really laughing at Winnie the Pooh Bear while getting chased by a sworm of Bees over Honey???
WTF!!!!!😭
I'm not saying I hate 3D or anything like that I love 3D but I'm getting sick of everything being 3D I really miss 2D. I don't know about anybody else but I'm hungry for 2D animation films only because they're so much 3D animation that I just wish there was a variety of both or even hybrids.
Spiderverse was such an interesting hybrid!
For 2D, look into anime. Films like "your name" are just beautiful! Really enjoyed "wolf children" too, or if you don't mind a series "erased", a thriller told in 12 episodes
@@MrsYasha1984 I loved Spiderverse! It was a unique style with the charms of 2D and CGI animations. I really hope to see more like that
@@MrsYasha1984 i liked wolf children too
I would check out the dragon ball super broly movie if u haven't seen it yet it had really stunning 2d animation and visuals
I watch anime so my 2D needs are well-met. Lots of beautiful anime films, especially anything directed by Miyazaki.