I Tried The TONEX Pedal..
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- The ToneX Pedal is something I'm very hyped on. I've been waiting a long time for something like this to come along and put amp modeling, plugins and hardware all under one umbrella! I'm so glad I can finally share this with you.
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0:00 Intro
0:23 Chugs on the Tone X pedal
1:35 What is the Tone X pedal, and why should you care?
4:36 How to use the pedal with the software
9:58 Tone X Pedal tutorial and demo and comparison to real amp
19:52 Shootout with real amp!
21:14 Final thoughts, who this is for, and would I recommend it.. - Розваги
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Hey Taylor! In your opinion, how does this perform with a tube power amp and a real cabinet? Are there better alternatives at this price point? Anyway, appreciate your effort with the channel. I’ll watch your vid. I thought I’d ask my question before watching your vid as most demos seem to be geared toward home recording. Until now I’d been looking at the hx stomp, largely due to the drive stacking ability. Can you stack od’s with this as well? Thanks again.
@@MC-dj7ri I used it with a power amp and cab in this video, and it was very impressive! Thanks for the appreciation!
And also, at this price point... no not really anything close unless you want effects. But for what this is, the price is a huge part of what makes it great.
Great video TAylor thanks for that great one as usual.
This price point is smart. At $400, its already ordered. And it gives plenty of people access to the digital modeling world. When a 2.0 comes out with more features, it will more than likely be an automatic purchase for many.
Agreed!
To think my first digital guitar modeler was the Zoom 505 (original). Things sure have changed.
I bought one to make a video, and just never got around to it. Basically I wanted to see exactly how much things have changed.... might still be a good video.
Those things are STILL awesome!!!....Fun fact, the Drive section is all analogue, no joke. Of course I am being nostalgic, but those little boxes still have some surprise's.
I had the original 9002. It was great but not a patch (excuse the pun) on stuff these days.
Taylor Is killin it with these videos!
That was super in-depth. I can’t wait to try it out.
I did my best 💪
Great review, thank you!
My pleasure!
Everytime I see some of these UA-cam reviewers complaining about the high gain on Tonex, I come back to this video and laugh. Thanks for the video!
Someone is complaining about the high gain? I think it works well! I will disclaim though that IK told me directly themselves that for high gain tone models, you need to use the advanced training... But I don't think that's inside information or anything.
For me looks great for the price but I wanted this to have 2 features: 1- Send return; 2- Ability to use one output with cabsim and the other not
Yes I agree. I think they are trying to hit a specific, ultra competitive price point though which is why it doesn't have as many features.
Nice piece off gear - I will look for it asap thanks for great demo 🤘🤘🤘
@@Taylor_Danley. Thanks for choosing my feedback , I start from ampero after Your video on youtube and it was really god choice for me at that time Im a fan of your advises on that channel , help a lot thx
Great video as always. Im curious about your take on Tonex Vs Ampero 2 ?
getting one of these ASAP to pair with my HX Stomp since learning with HX command center and using instants to change parameters/presets via snapshots on the ToneX I can effectively have a 3 channel setup per preset on the stomp especially since the ToneX is gapless! This thing is SUPER powerful and I feel unlocks a lot of potential for the stomp when not having to rely on its amps, cabs, and some dynamics.
Can't wait for it, its gonna be awesome not having mad gain staging issues from using snapshots on the stomp to change gain sweeps and having that HIDEOUS pop every time!
Just watched SonicDrive's review this morning and I'm ordering one of these today. Compared to alternatives out there, this is incredible. After using Bias from positive grid for almost 7 years, this is a huge deal.
Hope you enjoy it!
I have had my Mark V 25 that I love. I tried some VSTs, even good ones from Neural and I think Tonex absolutely blows them out of the water. The 2C+ Tonex model I tried was not just good, it was unreal.
I'm thinking of getting bias to copy the tones from some songs that I've downloaded, is bias' ton copying software good or should I get tonex
Amazing video! This piece of gear seems ♾️.
Thank you!
I'm sure you've realized by now, but the compressor and advanced parametric eq can be toggled to pre or post. Only the noise gate and reverb are fixed in their position.
Thanks for using a power amp and real cabinet in your demo!!! So there is a global setting to turn off CAB for all amp captures?
Yes!
Sounds badass. The snare in the beginning needs some credit as well
Lol, thanks dude
Thanks for this video! What’s your opinion between the IK toneX and Mooer mnrs? Which sound quality better and close to the real amp?
Hi Taylor! I firmly believe that this channel will get more attention not only because your videos are fun but your comparisons are really useful, that being said how'd you compare the tonex pedal captures with the ones by GE300 Lite? Could I use the Tonex pedal in conjunction with the 300 lite as FX Unit only? I recently acquired one just 2 days before the release of tonex pedal :( haha
Thanks in advance!
Thanks dude. The ge lite doesn’t really “capture” like toneX or kemper, etc. It is more of a tone match system. So you feed it a tone, and then it will match the EQ essentially.
If you were going to use toneX with ge lite, I’d use the toneX for your amp tones, and plug it into the effects loop.
@@TaylorDanley Thanks for responding! It was my plan but I saw the Tonex does not have an FX loop so, would that work? Also, soundwise, is there a huge difference between the Tonex and the tone matched mooer?
@@angelonofretti2977 toneX is a better recreation of the source, since it’s a true sample vs an EQd match. And I would run in the fx loop of the ge 300. So I’m the signal chain of your ge 300, essentially the fx loop block would replace the amp block.
Hey Taylor! I’m watching your video a second time since I just got done watching the Tone Wars video and saw your comment on there. I love your videos and particularly like how honest you tend to be. With that said I was hoping to ask a question.
I’m trying to decide whether to get this ToneX pedal and combine it with a power amp such as the Seymour Duncan 170, or go full tube with the PRS MT15. They are similar price points and both have their quirks, what would be your take regarding this choice? I appreciate you!
Cool dude, thanks so much. I'm glad you notice.. I really try to be fair, even when I'm hyped on something like this (it's hard lol).
I've personally never played an MT15, so I can't tell you for sure but what I would say is I know the ToneX pedal + Power amp would cover ALOT more ground. I haven't dove into the world of tone model sharing yet, so I don't know what's really out there, but I feel like the few I've done with my amps are close enough sonically to get a green light from me. Plus you get all the additional features/controls in the pedal AND amplitube (which is honestly a little overwhelming in terms of software).
Hope that helps!
@@TaylorDanley That’s perfect! Thank you for replying. I wasn’t sure if I’d get a response so I appreciate you taking the time! I’ll stick with the ToneX and see if I can get some killer sounds out of it. Thank you again!
For amp sounds alone, this or the ampero 2? Thanks! Love your grooves 🤝
my god, I just pulled up a 2c+ an ods and a slo and they were all awesome. I am a bit of a noob with digital modeling and this the first tile I truly dont feel like its not a compromise not plugging in a tube amp, I didnt even think of putting it in my Mark V loop
Yeah, I know myself and others are sort of poking fun at the screen, but in a way it sort of keeps this feeling more analog and less digital. If I was blindfolded though, I would not be able to tell I was playing through this vs. my savage!
@@TaylorDanley The 2C+ stood out to me, I have a Mark v 25 and it was like my amp but a bit better! lol
I ordered one yesterday
Lovely, nice music.
Holy shit! I had a very similar idea to your unit idea, but it'd be in an amp head form factor instead.
Thanks, Taylor! Do you know if Tonex pedal can do a IR/Cab thing only, to work together with a Captor loadbox?
Yes, you can bypass the amp section. So your idea is to have an amp>loadbox>tonex for just the cabs? I haven't tried this, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
I am a Quad Cortex user but I love seeing new shit that comes out and am open to the idea that there is probably better gear than what I use. I would love to see how someone would incorporate this into their rig. Like who does it benefit exactly? The only thing I can think of is someone who has some pedals that they love and wants a good amp modeler to stick on their board. It sounds good but how much of a price difference is it really compared to the QC? With the QC I don't need anything else besides the unit and some cables to capture. It is also my entire rig sometimes with many I/O options for FOH and monitoring purposes live. I love gear that is versatile so I guess what I am curious about is how many different ways can you use this thing?I started with an HX stomp and am still convinced that if you are looking for an all encompassing rig on a budget, that is the way to go. idk maybe this will help someone decide what might be best for them. Thanks for the demo!
Yeah not going to have as many options as the QC, but also is $1400 less. Anything you want to add on would have to be modular, so like a cab sim pedal if you want cab and direct output for example. But at the price point, for what it does is amazing. TBH with you, I also prefer the idea of capturing in an app vs with the QC. You can capture whatever you want, and also have them in a plugin for mixing without having run DI's out through a piece of hardware if you have a capture you really like.
Nice!
1 Should this go into an amp fx return/pwr amp in or get frfr powered speakers like Headrush mx5/helix stuff for the best tones?
2 I run ehx Canyon and other modulation in the Headrush MX5 fx loop into my frfr. Since toneX has no effect loop can i run pedals after it into frfr speakers without issues?
Would you recommend this over an amp for a bedroom player? I have a Marshall dsl1 and even that can be too loud for me to get it sound decent. I was going to try one of the Harley Benton attenuators but I’m now considering selling up, getting a pedal board power amp and the tonex. I’m mainly a thrash metal player
I run Drive-X to a Joyo cab box simply because I really wanted IK to make this pedal but they hadn't even announced it yet.
Yeah sure MSRP is more than $399 USD (except I paid 325 for both) and it is almost half as versatile but if you want IK multimedia and ampless now both this or my solution is a good way to go
I wish you could use a OD Tube Screamer model and other pedal models in the Tonex along with the Amp and Cab models?Even in the plugin version you cannot do this!Taylor maybe you could mention this to Amplitube?
Yeah they need to be captured WITH the amp if you wanted a boosted sound. Like I said in the video, I hope that they release a higher priced unit with these features. Would be cool to load multiple tone captures in one chain like you can with QC.
Yeah the workaround is to use a profile that was made with the amp and boost pedal at the same time.
Tonex already has Overdrive models but like i already said you cannot use these models and amp models together!Even if the OD was combined in a capture with a amp model you would most likely not have any control over it,it would be always on and you could not adjust tone or drive levels!Tonex needs to add the OD feature as it's own effect block so you have control over all the parameters,they could do this in a future firmware update!
Hi!! Good day!!! Hope you can put out a video on valeton gp200 controlling tonex pedal when switching patches (different amp between patches) thru midi😊😊😊. Already have tonex and planning getting valeton gp200 but i don't know if it can controll tonex.
Man, the last modeler I used was the PodXT in 2004.
Rad!!!.. ordered.
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Will definitely wait for the 2.0 version
No FX loop and no USB?
Missed opportunities...
There's a USB! it's just a type A. You can use it as an audio interface, something I brushed over in the video, but should have gone into greater detail on.
Hi great video thanks, any knowledge if there prone to malfunction ? lag ? hows the quality control on them? where are they built ? is it with quality components ? thanks so much
I think they are built in Italy if I remember correctly. Probably too soon to say if there are QC issues or if they are prone to malfunction. So far it's great!
@@TaylorDanley thanks for reaching back, i just took one (there obviously killer soundwise !) lets hope there are no issues with it in the future :)
Hey Taylor nice video, I got question with your High gain tones patches did you use an external noise suppressor and did you change some settings in the Tonex pedal, because I tried your patches and I get a lot of hiss/white noise but your demo sounded soo good and clean even with very I gain 🤘
There's a noise gate built in to the pedal that I used, and I used their capture box thing they have for the captures.. but I don't notice any excessive white noise so I'm not sure what's up with that!
@@TaylorDanley I might have a defect unit then
@Taylor Danley it is weid because if I use the pedal stand alone with headphones the noise gate works fine but when I use it in my Line 6 Helix effect loop the Tonex noise gate have no effect
@@thekreator72 probably the way the effects loop is set up, that’s my guess anyways. I don’t have a helix, so I’m not sure exactly how it works
Hang on……. I’ve been using the GE labs software and pedals for over a year now and I don’t have it in IOS. Am I missing something??
Just got one of these. I'm learning more from youtube channels then from the manual.
Ok man, I’ve been sold this particular tech a couple of times already. Compare it to bias amp hardware/software, or the mooer stuff like the preamp live. Both billed as mini kempers, but both not really being that. I still hear the ever present fizz. Is this truly a level above the stuff already out there?
The advantage this has over anything else is the flexibility between using the plugin and the hardware. You can essentially have a tone you captured (or downloaded) that can be used in the plugin to mix and have the same tone for live use. Sound wise, on par with the best of them (axefx, quad cortex, etc)
How many amps and cabs come preloaded, and what are they?
All of that cool tech........and a screen from the first calculator ever made
Lol 😆
It's a weird choice for sure.
Even if I use your profiles I can't seem to get a clean high gain tone without any buzz or hiss like you. How did you do it ?
How would an effects loop improve the pedal?
Possibly a dumb question but is it possible to capture plugins into it? Archetype Gojira is actually my favorite and would like to get it out of my computer. If not what would you suggest to be able to do that? Mooer GE250?
There are no dumb questions! BTW, nice to see you dude. You can't capture with the pedal itself, that is done with the app.
Maybe use a 2nd computer with interface running the plug-in and put it in place of the amp in the capture setup?
@@TaylorDanley omg I totally knew that lol. My brain was set on durrrrr that day apparently
@@stuartglenn3719 that's the same thing I was thinking too
I wonder if the ToneX could model a Lichtlaerm Medusa into a modern high gain amp. I really like the Medusa when used to augment the sound of a modern tight amp with about 40-50% of that chainsaw blended in to filth it up whilst still keeping it tight and good for low tuned nonsense.
With regards to tone, is it on the same level as Fractal FM3?
The capture sounds better than the real thing.
Where should I put delay pedal? or it can be capured and added via app?
After the ToneX i assume as its like a preamp unit
I totally agree with you here. This is a very exciting piece of gear that pushes the industry forward. I'm not absolutely convinced about the sound on either sides (software and hardware). What I would actually love to see/hear is an Overloud TH-U version of that thing. Nevertheless, at that price, I might just buy one just to fidget around with. Good demo buddy!
Hey dude! Nice to see you here. I'm surprised Overloud didn't jump on this years ago. They clearly had some Kemper thing going on in TH-U, but decided to keep it proprietary so they could sell packs for TH-U vs opening it up to the market. Huge missed opportunity IMO!
@@TaylorDanley Hey man! TH-U is an amazing product but Overloud is a strange company making odd moves. They've should go hardware a long time ago. I'm under the impression they're pretty much just a Slate Digital kitchen nowadays. That being said, I just ordered a ToneX pedal, I should receive next tuesday. BTW: Check out my 4rth album TAU on my channel. You're partly responsible for its release since your song challenge got me out of a rut.
@@krokmiten dude that's really awesome, I'm glad to hear. I'm planning on doing another one here soon!
I tried their software Tonex models, my only complaint is that the interface is a bit wonky, but the sound is worth it to me.
Overloud TH-U sound better and have a easyer overview then the tonex app i have not tried the pedel so cant comment on that
Neat!
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is this better than ampero 2?
I'm sold I'm buying one ASAP if you say it's good it's good, I have the AXE FX iii but this seems more portable and less expensive so if it gets destroyed it's cheap enough to buy another one 👍
Yeah, and just being able to capture and download captures and put them in a gig bag is something that the axefx just doesn't do. They are both amazing in their own rights.
Bravo that you paid but didn't review it like a salesman as some other guys did. I would like to be able to load a profiled stomp before the profiled amp inside Tonex Pedal and give a delay in the place of Reverb (or both).. Nice 👍 work mate
Just to be clear: it's $399 excl VAT, $499 incl VAT. Still a superb deal for what you get! It's literally less than a 1/4 the price of a Kemper or Quad Cortex. Sure, with the QC you get tons of more features, but this comparatively tiny pedal has almost the same amount of features that a Kemper has. The only thing it doesn't do compared to a Kemper is the capturing itself. The ToneX Capture box is only $213 (Thomann price) so both together are still $1300 cheaper than a Kemper.
That's a good point, I'm in the states so no VAT. Also, you don't need a capture box to make tone models, but it definitely does help to make a cleaner capture.
@@TaylorDanley Do you pay any sales tax instead, or is there no extra tax at all when you buy it in the US? Yes, I know that you don't need to have specifically the ToneX capture, but I'm guessing that you would need to have some sort of re-amp box (or an audio interface with an instrument level output), otherwise the impedance on the amp input won't be the same as if you connect your guitar to it. Have you tried creating a profile using a line output directly into an amp? Would be interesting to hear what difference it would make.
@@nj1255 depends on the state, I live in one of the few that has no sales tax, so I don’t pay any.
Yes, they recommend the box for the cleanest signal, but you can use just an audio interface as long as it has the required I/O
The only thing that needs to happen now is for someone to find a way to combine amp profiling and component modeling for us to reach amplifier singularity.
I couldn't agree more! Very interested to see what fractal does next...
like amplitube 5 + tonex with dedicated hardware. Currently I am using decent audio interface with such software + midi controller very economical alternative to QC for bedroom guitarist.
20:35 sounds pretty good it chugs and the tone is excellent but it’s not that close, I mean you get that it’s similar but the capture didn’t get it quite that good in my opinion. But I repeat it sounds really good
Check out some of the videos Mendel made. His tests show it getting far closer than both the Kemper and Quad Cortex.
@@justsomerandomguyman other videos show that the QC is closer. So it’s not as simple as that. You’re gonna find tons of videos where a device is closer and other where the other device is closer
I don't understand why people are complaining about no FX loop. If you're integrating this with a multi effects pedal, you put this in the loop. If you're using stompboxes, put your wah/OD/etc in front of this pedal and then put delay/chorus/etc after it. Is the reverb on this unit so coveted that you are upset you can't stick your delay in front of it? Or do you think there's really a dramatic tone difference in having your time based fx pre-IR vs post-IR? This is an amp replacement, not a multi effects and the reverb is to get you by in a pinch when you're using this device alone
can you pls put your Invader onto dropbox or something? I`ve got problems with the app
Interesting piece of kit. You're using the term robust a lot, no clue what you mean by it in this context (and it seems to mean different things everytime you use it). Is it the quality of the hardware, the quality of the software, the quality of the eco system?
Amazing intro, reminds me Voivod. \m/
Wouldn't the lack of a SEND/RETURN loop mean that you can't run this with a delay or reverb?
This is a pedal / preamp. Just run your delay or reverb between this and your power amp. And delays and reverb work in front too. Just sayin.
I've got full Amplitube 5. I have looked and can't see why I'd need this.
And the thing is I don't need any convincing to buy anything! I just buy stuff.
Killer!
Why can you not use the pedal as a capture unit? I have to buy two pieces of hardware now? I just ordered this overnight!
You use the software for capturing.
@@TaylorDanley I guess what I meant was it suggests using its hardware capture device. I would think the pedal itself would allow that in place of the tonex capture device.
Sounds great and for a great price, but I'd like to see a better user interface. Would be worth another $100 if they had a more modern interface. Scrolling through menu's like that alone would drive me nuts
Totally agree. I would like to see a premium version as well, but this being what it is for $399 is pretty incredible.
Curious to see/hear this against the Mooer Preamp Live, which including the captures, seems to be the closest thing to this. The Mooer has better in and out options I'd say with fx loop, XLR and Jack outputs for which the cab simulation can be turned off independently for instance. But sound quality beats i/o options in the end I guess.
I think the app flexibility is what sets it apart. But yes, a shootout is probably mandatory!
@@TaylorDanley hell yeah!
+1
Just ordered the last one off Amazon UK from NZ. No one is selling them here.
I’m confused by your logic of having a solid state power amp on max volume and altering the volume on he pre amp or modeller? Wouldn’t that mean you’re not getting a clean power amp tone? It would be breaking up a lot at full volume surely?
for 399$? yes please. I hope that ikmultimedia import to Brazil
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W T F are you doing on the guitar? Great man! So flawless.
Still waiting for 1st stomp modeller
So how does this feel? Does it feel like you're playing a real amp?
Fuck was expecting this later in the year and threw down money on a used valeton gp 200.
😮😮😮😮😮😮 yep 👍
Thanks for dropping in buddy!
@@TaylorDanley No worries cool video mate
Holy cow! Amazing piece of gear!
This is where all the other guitar amp modellers fall short... I'm looking for gear like this..happy days!
Well never been fan of digital modellers but this and amperium Live for sure looks very very goofying good😂 i still use boss ME50 but it has its limits, it dos not fit your poket 😂 so if this has option to use the software in yourphone its might be worth of buy...
Yeah but does it “feel” like a tube amp?
It feels like a small metal box, but yes you can add compression if you want the sag a normal tube amp would have.
@@TaylorDanley Right on
Lack of FX loop tho?
I'm hearing it's not able to do captures of the pedals and amps at the same time too both of those are a pretty big let down sadly
I'm sure this is great for people who love sitting on their asses at a computer but jfc this video had me excited at first but after 69 million years of computer app screens i don't even want to finish watching
You can consider this "pedal" as an audio interface that you can use on your DAW, like a focusrite scarlet, but then it has extra stuff!
Imagine buying this just to plug a guitar into a pc then use NAM for tones 😂😂
It sounds really impressive, the price is a real bargain. The only thing I dislike is that screen with digits, it gives a cheap look to it. A LCD screen cost nothing!
It is a little odd in this space, but when you consider their other pedals and the main competition for those being things like strymon, I sort of get it. It might be weird to have one pedal in their lineup with a slick LED display and menu system and all others like this. That's why I'm hoping for a 2.0 unit that is truly a multi effect unit.
God d a m n
Dude, I need this box! EL84's or 6L6's? Carbon free? Are the frequencies copacetic? Can transgenders play it? Can it get Eddys "negro sound?" Asking for a friend
Honestly the comparison is so close. At what point do amps become completely obsolete. They are already a luxury to most players.
Most modelers sound pretty good but it depends what you play them through, playing through a studio monitor will not sound like playing through the front or return of your tube or solid state amp!I would like to see someone come out with Power Amp Tube Modeling only that you could have a choice of 12 or more models!You already have the Preamp section in any modeler you buy!This would get you much closer to a modeler sounding like a tube amp without having to buy a real one!
I think there's been a market of budget amps and amp adjacent devices for a really long time. It just seems that with the progression of home recording and "bedroom producers" that it's grown in popularity. But yes, the legacy tube amps that command a high price are a luxury for most players. That's why this is cool, you can grab those tones from other people and have them wherever you go!
@@TaylorDanleyshould this go into my amp fx return / power amp in if equipped or do I need to go powered frfr speakers like Headrush mx5 / Helix stuff to get the best tones?
For the past of decade, "You can "copy and capture" your favourite amp for as low as $3000, $2000 ..." And then 2023 "just under $400 ...." 🤣🙈
What a time to be alive!
ok there's clearly a volume knob on the far right of the pedal...
that controls the preset volume, a MASTER volume would control output for the whole unit.
@@TaylorDanley ahh ok i getcha
I don't think many people want/are able to sit around profiling expensive hardware all day. Unless it comes with an extremely high quality, curated bank of presets, it's a bust.
why 7 segment LCD display in 2023.
Likely to keep cost as affordable as possible.
@@TaylorDanley maybe. i do electronics though and 'new and better' doesnt mean more expensive. mass production means cheaper, so often modern components that are produced in good numbers are as cheap as dated components.
Maybe some ppl still just like a simple 7 segment on the pedal board though.
Nah Tonex isn't the future, NAM is!
your playing makes my teeth chatter
Technically it’s not a modeler. It’s just the amp and a noise gate. You need other pedals……
It is a modeller. It’s MODELING the amp. It’s not a multi-fx.
That's what a modeler does: Model amps/cabs.
@@SixShine that’s what I meant.
@@SixShine they coulda EASILY threw in some other stuff like overdrives n such but nah
Yet more complicated gear that will take forever to learn. For the life of me why do people have to make things so complicated. Cool piece of gear though.
If I see one more “this changes everything” thumbnail my head is gonna explode. I got a Tonex I like it a lot but you people are giving it way too much credit. The price is what is its best selling point.
Great video man , though I have to say I see no point buying it. Doesn't have all of the features of other modelers for about the same price as my ampero 2. The sound is good but not better and it relies on other stuff I need to buy. Kind of an apple move😅
All that said I love watching your videos.
More ampero 2 maybe?🥲
Thanks dude! I think you're missing what this thing is though... The ampero 2 can't sample analog gear like amplifiers, and pedals. It also doesn't serve as a separate plugin. They're completely different things!