David, I think the "mystery" boxes may be toolboxes or chain boxes. When I converted a "Toad" as a mess van I added them at the end of the van. I cannot recall where I discovered this pearl of wisdom. Your episodic videos were invaluable in helping me build my own version of the 15T crane. Excellent work as always.
Hi John, many thanks, I knew someone would know, tool and chain boxes sounds very plausible to me. Thanks to for your kind comments and good luck with your conversion - David
Hi David. Excellent video. The method and information is most helpful for a build I started some 8years ago. With your videos know precisely how to build it correctly thanks john
What a superb conversion David. Looks terrific. When I get back to doing some serious modelling, there may be a 2mm scale version appearing of the mess van!!!. Cheers, Bob
Hi David, grand job you have done there. I do have some information that you and others may find useful. The Dapol crane is a of a Booth Rodley yard crane that was supplied to engineering firms and ship yards and did indeed run on bogies and was painted red as the kit suggests. Cranes supplied to BR by Booths were mounted upon rigid frames as is your conversion and were originally painted grey and then later yellow. The jib runners were indeed converted from GWR designed Macaw H wagons. The correct transfers for the BR P-Way cranes are available from Cambridge Custom Transfers sheet BL92, the sheet includes transfers for the jib runner wagon also. Transfers for the Small Hornby Cowans Sheldon 10 ton hand crane, sheet BL36 are also available as that is an accurate model that scrubs up well, again Paul Bartlett's photographs are very helpful You note that the jib is short, this is the correct length for the bogie yard crane, the BR P-Way crane had a box section at the foot of the jib where the flat channel section is. I lengthened mine by 12mm by cutting the box section along its centre and then plating up with plasticard to give the extra length. The swan neck of the BR P-Way cranes are also slightly longer and set at a shallower angle than the bogie yard cranes. In later service the cab roofs were cut back at an angle to give better visibility when the jib was fully up, I missed this detail when I built mine and it was fully painted before I realised, not to worry !!! Further detailed reading may be obtained in Railway Cranes Volume 3 by Peter Tatlow, which covers P-Way cranes, volumes 1 and 2 cover main breakdown cranes.
I love catching up with your YT videos David,so intoxicating,I can only hope when I get round to finishing my layout that it can be even a country mile away from Deresley,keep up the great work
Many thanks Steven - 'finishing your layout !!!' - they say you never finish your layout😁😁😁. Just keep going and enjoy the process. Good luck with it ... David
Hello David I havent seen your earlier videos but after watching this one Ill be popping off to have a look as it was very interesting and is something I may well attempt in the future. Thanks Regards Paul
You are a master David. Brilliant job. I have my crane model and an A4 tender frame ready to start. I shall be watching your crane build a few more times as I tackle it. Happy new year, David.
Many thanks again for your comments. Don't often get a comment on the music - I decided to go straight into my new videos without music but end the video with it. I know - some like it, some don't - Thanks again - David
A great rebuild to compliment your crane. I was going to follow your lead with the crane but found a similar Hornby one on ebay at a good price, so I will just be modifying and weathering that one. If I have the space on the allotted siding it will definitely be getting a mess van.
David Hyde .....it was one my better half bought me last April....birthday......it’s already black just needs chains and weathering...so out with the air brush....what colour did use for the grime .....regards Fred
Hi Fred, sounds very do-able. I like to mix my own weathering colours, it keeps the number of bottles of paint down to a minimum. I use the Tamiya acrylics and I make various mixes of Flat Earth, Flat Black and Flat White. An oily sooty mix would be mainly flat black with a little flat earth, whereas track dust and grime would be mainly Flat earth with a little flat black. For lighter tones (if needed) I would add some Flat White to either mix. Mix some up with some thinner and do a test, adjust the mix to taste - a bit like cooking really. There are products called 'track grime' - 'oily smoke' etc, but I have never used them. Good luck, I hope it goes well - David
No Problem. I have some citadel washes for making my old teak coaches look more realistic. I have heard they are very good but I haven't tried them yet - David
Nice conversion David, makes a great addition to your crane. Have you been using CZP to enhance your stills? They are looking very well focussed. ................John
Hi john, thanks for your kind comments. I Do use CZP but , on the 'angle' shots on these stills, I stopped the lens down as far as it will go. The actual f-stop depends on the amount of zoom chosen but it is around f32 - David
Beautiful model and conversion. I am embarking on a journey to make my own decals when I get started on my own railway conversions and scratch builds so I would like to know what program you used to first print your decals on your computer. I would also like to know if you added bearings to your axle boxes when you changed from plastic to metal wheels. As always, a very informative video well worth watching for anybody wanting to go down a similar path to yourself.
Hi Kevin, apologies for the delay in reply. Thanks for your interest. I sometimes print my own decals but I have always found it a bit of a hit or miss. I think the quality of the decal printing paper is important - some I have found seem to have a thin layer of decal to print on making the final decal very fragile indeed. As for the software I use an old version of Photoshop Element (version 7 to be precise). From this I produce a JPED file which can easily be printed. Yes I did add brass bearings to the axel boxes (they came with the wheels & axles. Hope all this helps Kevin - good luck ... David
Thanks David. I will just have to play about and find the right combination I suppose. I'll have a look for 'Photoshop Element version 7' and see if it suits. I've just finished building a couple of Parkside Dundas, or possibly Cambrian kits I've had for some time and the plastic wheels don't turn very well. I did try fitting Hornby wheels to the models but they just fall out, hence my question. Anyway, that's what this hobby is all about isn't it? Creating something from very little, lol. I will keep following your work with interest.
Hi Kevin. If you have some photo editing software then there is every chance that it will have the ability to write text. Also, I have just checked 'Paint' a freebie with windows if you have a PC - it will let you write text with colours and fonts so I would check this out first. If you want some inexpensive photo editing software then I can recommend Photoshop Elements 7 or higher. If not then i would check out the software you have. You may find you have all you need. Hope this helps ... David
Really enjoyed this video.Just shows what you can do with an old model for small expense.great stuff.
Thanks. I think there's a lot of potential with older stock and its no big loss if all goes horribly wrong. Glad for your comment - David
Perfect David! Thanks
Ernie
Hi David a great set of videos on the crane build, youre attention to detail is brilliant very well done and thanks for posting Dave.
Thanks Dave, glad you liked them. Appreciate your commens - David
I watched all four parts this morning. Amazing workmanship. The weathering is so realistic. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Buddy, apologies for late reply. Appreciate the comment ... David
Totally agree with Fred, looks like we're both going to adapt our Hornby crane set.Great to watch as always.Richard
Thanks Richard, appreciate the comment, good luck with your crane - David
David, I think the "mystery" boxes may be toolboxes or chain boxes. When I converted a "Toad" as a mess van I added them at the end of the van. I cannot recall where I discovered this pearl of wisdom. Your episodic videos were invaluable in helping me build my own version of the 15T crane. Excellent work as always.
Hi John, many thanks, I knew someone would know, tool and chain boxes sounds very plausible to me. Thanks to for your kind comments and good luck with your conversion - David
Hi David. Excellent video. The method and information is most helpful for a build I started some 8years ago. With your videos know precisely how to build it correctly thanks john
Hi John. Thanks for your kind comments, glad you find it helpful - David
Lovely job David. Nice step by step. You've created something bespoke that the main manufacturers would never have got round to. Cheers
Thanks Alan. Very nice comment - David
Great weathering techniques, very subtle, thanks for posting, Dave
Hi Dave, very kind of you to comment. Glad you enjoyed the video - David
Hi David, Great YT clip, great to watch and educational along the way to, so a huge Thumbs up 👍
Hi Jamie, glad you liked it, thanks for the comment ... David
Tremendous build David. Enjoyed that thanks for sharing. Happy New Year! 2022 Bob
Happy new year to you - appreciate the comment.
A stunning transformation David and s perfect accompaniment to the Dapol crane. Thanks for sharing. Paul
Hi Paul, thanks for your kind comments, much appreciated - David
Beautiful! I enjoyed the whole series very much, thank you for sharing!
You are very welcome - glad you enjoyed them. Thanks for your kind comments - David
Nicely done David, as always
Very nice of you to say so. Much appreciated - David
What a superb conversion David. Looks terrific. When I get back to doing some serious modelling, there may be a 2mm scale version appearing of the mess van!!!.
Cheers, Bob
Thanks Bob, glad you liked the conversion. An N gauge conversion - cool ! - I don't think I've seen one - David
Hi David, grand job you have done there. I do have some information that you and others may find useful.
The Dapol crane is a of a Booth Rodley yard crane that was supplied to engineering firms and ship yards and did indeed run on bogies and was painted red as the kit suggests. Cranes supplied to BR by Booths were mounted upon rigid frames as is your conversion and were originally painted grey and then later yellow. The jib runners were indeed converted from GWR designed Macaw H wagons.
The correct transfers for the BR P-Way cranes are available from Cambridge Custom Transfers sheet BL92, the sheet includes transfers for the jib runner wagon also. Transfers for the Small Hornby Cowans Sheldon 10 ton hand crane, sheet BL36 are also available as that is an accurate model that scrubs up well, again Paul Bartlett's photographs are very helpful
You note that the jib is short, this is the correct length for the bogie yard crane, the BR P-Way crane had a box section at the foot of the jib where the flat channel section is. I lengthened mine by 12mm by cutting the box section along its centre and then plating up with plasticard to give the extra length. The swan neck of the BR P-Way cranes are also slightly longer and set at a shallower angle than the bogie yard cranes.
In later service the cab roofs were cut back at an angle to give better visibility when the jib was fully up, I missed this detail when I built mine and it was fully painted before I realised, not to worry !!!
Further detailed reading may be obtained in Railway Cranes Volume 3 by Peter Tatlow, which covers P-Way cranes, volumes 1 and 2 cover main breakdown cranes.
I forgot to mention I set my crane on a modified Hornby LNER eight wheel tender frames.
Superb detailing and weathering David thanks for posting . Regards Gav .
Thanks Gav. Really appreciate your comments - David
I love catching up with your YT videos David,so intoxicating,I can only hope when I get round to finishing my layout that it can be even a country mile away from Deresley,keep up the great work
Many thanks Steven - 'finishing your layout !!!' - they say you never finish your layout😁😁😁. Just keep going and enjoy the process. Good luck with it ... David
Hello David
I havent seen your earlier videos but after watching this one Ill be popping off to have a look as it was very interesting and is something I may well attempt in the future.
Thanks
Regards Paul
Thanks Paul, glad you found it interesting. Appreciate your comments - David
You are a master David. Brilliant job. I have my crane model and an A4 tender frame ready to start. I shall be watching your crane build a few more times as I tackle it. Happy new year, David.
Hi David. Nice to hear from someone who is going to tackle a crane build - good luck with it. Thanks for the very kind comment - David
I think you are right about the mystery boxes. Being a mess van they would hold the gas for heat and cooking food.
That's what I felt too. Not part of the original brake van. ... David
The Yellow boxes are for gas cylinders David, good conversion.
Hello David,
Excellent work on the van conversion.
Michael
Thanks again Michael. Appreciate the comment - David
David, that was a very interesting and informative video. You did make it look so easy.
Barry.Devon.
Thanks Barry, a very nice of you to say - David
Another enjoyable video thanks very much David. Pete
Thanks Pete, glad you liked it - David
Great video David. Looks very realistic. Glad you're using the old music to, suits your layout.
Many thanks again for your comments. Don't often get a comment on the music - I decided to go straight into my new videos without music but end the video with it.
I know - some like it, some don't - Thanks again - David
Hi David,
That looks fantastic! I am truly impressed with your skills at making stuff. A Truly unique item for your model railway :) Cheers, Michael
Another great job and video.................well done bro.
Thanks bro always appreciate your comments - David
A great rebuild to compliment your crane. I was going to follow your lead with the crane but found a similar Hornby one on ebay at a good price, so I will just be modifying and weathering that one. If I have the space on the allotted siding it will definitely be getting a mess van.
Hi Davie, thanks for your kind comments. Yes a mess van would compliment your crane well. Good luck with your mods, glad this video has helped - David
stunning work as always....👍
Many thanks for your kind comment - David
What a great job David.....I might have a go at modifying my hornby crane set ......regards Fred
Hi Fred, thanks again for your comments. Hornby crane set - sounds a bit expensive to me. Very good luck - David
David Hyde .....it was one my better half bought me last April....birthday......it’s already black just needs chains and weathering...so out with the air brush....what colour did use for the grime .....regards Fred
Hi Fred, sounds very do-able. I like to mix my own weathering colours, it keeps the number of bottles of paint down to a minimum. I use the Tamiya acrylics and I make various mixes of Flat Earth, Flat Black and Flat White. An oily sooty mix would be mainly flat black with a little flat earth, whereas track dust and grime would be mainly Flat earth with a little flat black. For lighter tones (if needed) I would add some Flat White to either mix. Mix some up with some thinner and do a test, adjust the mix to taste - a bit like cooking really. There are products called 'track grime' - 'oily smoke' etc, but I have never used them. Good luck, I hope it goes well - David
David Hyde thanks for the info ....I’ve a couple of citadel oily washes black and brown ...with your combination I’ll have it nailed .....regards Fred
No Problem. I have some citadel washes for making my old teak coaches look more realistic. I have heard they are very good but I haven't tried them yet - David
MARVELLOUS job
Thanks Matthew - appreciate the comment - David
Excellent!
Thanks Greg - David
Nice conversion David, makes a great addition to your crane. Have you been using CZP to enhance your stills? They are looking very well focussed. ................John
Hi john, thanks for your kind comments. I Do use CZP but , on the 'angle' shots on these stills, I stopped the lens down as far as it will go. The actual f-stop depends on the amount of zoom chosen but it is around f32 - David
Beautiful model and conversion. I am embarking on a journey to make my own decals when I get started on my own railway conversions and scratch builds so I would like to know what program you used to first print your decals on your computer. I would also like to know if you added bearings to your axle boxes when you changed from plastic to metal wheels. As always, a very informative video well worth watching for anybody wanting to go down a similar path to yourself.
Hi Kevin, apologies for the delay in reply. Thanks for your interest. I sometimes print my own decals but I have always found it a bit of a hit or miss. I think the quality of the decal printing paper is important - some I have found seem to have a thin layer of decal to print on making the final decal very fragile indeed.
As for the software I use an old version of Photoshop Element (version 7 to be precise). From this I produce a JPED file which can easily be printed.
Yes I did add brass bearings to the axel boxes (they came with the wheels & axles.
Hope all this helps Kevin - good luck ... David
Thanks David. I will just have to play about and find the right combination I suppose. I'll have a look for 'Photoshop Element version 7' and see if it suits. I've just finished building a couple of Parkside Dundas, or possibly Cambrian kits I've had for some time and the plastic wheels don't turn very well. I did try fitting Hornby wheels to the models but they just fall out, hence my question. Anyway, that's what this hobby is all about isn't it? Creating something from very little, lol. I will keep following your work with interest.
Hi Kevin. If you have some photo editing software then there is every chance that it will have the ability to write text. Also, I have just checked 'Paint' a freebie with windows if you have a PC - it will let you write text with colours and fonts so I would check this out first.
If you want some inexpensive photo editing software then I can recommend Photoshop Elements 7 or higher. If not then i would check out the software you have. You may find you have all you need. Hope this helps ... David
Thanks again for that info. You may well have saved me a bit of money as well. Double bubble as they say, lol.
thanks David, I'll have a serious look at it.