Hee-Ho! Yes remembering beta Jett and raze was insane. But to be fair, people keep using Jett even though she is not very good right now. Just because she spent so long in pro play and her kit is still useful, just not S tier
@@azophi HEE HO !!! plus the meta is built around Dive Duelists in general, so as long as Jett has her core kit, she will be useful. anyway, 2-nade raze xdd
the thing about chamber, is although he was broken and it took them way too long to reign him back in, you can still see some of the lasting effects of this drastic meta change today. even if the agent doesn’t see a ton of play down the road, a new (or previously underutilized agent) high powered agent can change the meta while they’re strong, but the meta change will likely persist in some ways even once they’re brought down to a reasonable level.
its not hard, just realise the strongest part of an agent and rein it in, for chamber it was clearly the tp, and they were quick to rein in iso after failing to do so with chamber
@@lucidvibes8133 well there are a couple problems with just haphazardly nerfing the strongest part of an agents kit. developers generally still want the strongest part of the kit to remain the strongest part of the kit. it’s generally considered a good thing to keep an agents identity still similar to what it was previously. this is especially true if it’s the agents signature ability. for example, imagine if they reworked jett a bit and her cloudbursts lasted far longer and they nerfed her dash further. she would just feel like a completely different agent, and might even feel like more of a controller. another issue is that if the agents is very strong like chamber was and they just jumped to nerf his tp without proper testing, (imagine prime chamber with something like an 80%+ pick rate iirc to current chamber with less than 5% probably) they could single-handedly completely flip the meta overnight, which is simply not good for the game. although the problem is often pretty obvious, the solution is usually not.
@Hello-wo4sx they reduced the number of trademarks he has made the one trademarks he does have really loud, made the headhunter less accurate spamming slowed his ult to the speed of an operator just to realize the solution was his tp
Unironically chamber meta was one of the best times for team comp wise. A lot of teams experimented a ton of comps around chamber and that made made the game fun as a viewer. Wont mind another agent that does similar kind of thing than playing raze or jett for 10000th time
The reason Riot don't add powerful things is because when they do, THEY GET SHIT FOR IT! They buffed Iso and everyone complained, they buffed Neon and everyone complained, when they added chamber, EVERYONE FUCKING COMPLAINED
it makes me leave any game that does it, im very glad valorant is against this ideology. lazy game design to release busted agents imo. I guarantee there are team comps out there waiting to be realized that are meta defining once pros figure them out
@@mckinleyostvig7135 Fun and balancing are fundamentally connected, in fact a big part of balancing is making characters fun to play against. The thing is Valorant is made to be fun for the people that take it seriously, and not for the casual people
A lot of other games sell skins for the new releases, so they make them crazy strong to incentivize those sales. Valorant is unique in the fact that the content releases and the monetization are almost entirely separate (New guns being the only exception, but we've only had one of those)
Unlike other games which monetize character skins. Valorant doesn’t have agent skins & therefore there’s no reason for them to release an overpowered agent not to mention after chamber riot hasn’t released a broken agent almost as if it scares them.
the one very good thing about the chamber meta was the innovation of comps as senti and oper was covered so you really could try new things as opposed to now where theyr both on two different people so people had an extra slot to do something extra
I think a big reason for this is because the agents they introduced at launch fit their core role so well that the new agents are forced to fit more of an off-role. Look at the sentinel class for example; it’s clear that information and stall are most important for the role at the highest level, and the two sentinels with the best mix of information and stall are cypher/kj. They can’t introduce a third sentinel with utility like those two without widening out the role more, which leads to us getting sentinels - heavy stall with deadlock and vyse, and aggro-info with chamber
Exactly that, you can also see a similar thing with the duelists at the pro level, the only good ones are dive duelists (Jett, Raze, Neon and in a way Yoru), and Riot hasn't been able to fix that problem since the launch of the game. You can see that with the current agent releases they're trying to change these things about the meta with Deadlock being a pure stall sentinel to give teams an agent with this functionality that isn't Sage, Iso being a non-dive duelist that for some time competed with the other duelists (the 1 week when he was OP), and Vyse being very clerly an anti-dive sentinel.
i think the real difference is all the original cast has generically useful util and new characters are suffer because of a need for unique utility which ultimately pushes them into a niche. fade was so good BECAUSE she was generically powerful on all parts of a map
I think it'd be useful to have some more powerful agents. I don't play CSGO so I don't know the exact details but I know there was a time where they buffed an under-used gun which increased it's usage rate and then later reverted the buff but it still kept a fairly inflated use. Imagine if Harbor was insanely overpowered at his release and then slowly nerfed down to his current state. I don't think he'd be meta but I think his pick-rate would at least be a bit higher.
r8 meta was hell. you dont want that in ur videogame. same with m4a1s meta. however, you are right that a1s kept it's pickrate over the a4 after it was nerfed a couple times. trust me, you want things to suck at first, you don't want it the other way around. besides chamber, chamber is the goat
@@nik_mikprobably talking about the AUG and krieg, R8 isn’t a slight buff, it was literally death destroyer of worlds lol I believe it was a price change on the two rifles, I’m not sure on the specific stats otherwise
7:09 That's a great point, but I think the problem is the meta in Valorant being mostly the same since the game's release. Sova, Breach, KAY/O, Jett, Raze, Cypher, Killjoy, Omen, Viper, Astra are always the meta, and the way to change this is to nerf some of them and buff agents that never were popular. In fact, it's happening right now with the Phoenix changes, the Omen nerf, the Neon buff. Valorant needs a different meta.
I actually like the way Val is balanced. The meta is still shaken up with balancing and new agents also become relevant in the meta after small changes and some time. Gecko and Deadlock both see a fair amount of pro play, EDG used a lot of clove, FNC uses Iso, etc.
about the Regen shield discussion, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THE USFULNESS WHEN A HEALER IS IN A TEAM, it gives back a lot more hp rather than if you bought full shield and become a lot more viable
I think another aspect to powercreep in other games (especially card games) is that there is in many cases direct financial incentive for companies to introduce power creep. Taking a card game like Yugioh for example, they would probably see a lot less profit from new packs unless there were re-prints of current meta cards if they didn't create cards powerful enough to become the new meta. And while there are some choice examples of old cards becoming good because of a new archetype or new additions to an existing archetype, it's not nearly as common as big, shiny new cards coming out with 3 paragraphs of effect text to make it just a little better than the cards currently in circulation with only 2 paragraphs of effect text. On the other hand, most val players don't buy the new heroes that come out, instead unlocking them for free either on release with the on release missions or with Kingdom Credits, and just deal with any that they're missing as a result of that strategy. I also think agent powercreep would go against one of their core design pillars, which is that it should ultimately be a gun-focused game. Agents getting stronger would inherently mean that they would either have to powercreep guns as well to maintain whatever balance of gun power : agent power they like, or scrap that core design pillar of the game.
I think it's a good thing the newer agents pop up a little weaker than the rest. For one, it doesn't give Riot a bad name for Pay to Win, releasing an overpowered agent each season or so with early access if you pay for them then nerfing the agent when it is released to the whole player base; And second, it gives players time to learn the agent, try them out while still being scared of playing the agent in ranked - and after they become a viable pick, the players will have a base knowledge of how to use them and won't troll ranked games
One thing that sucks about releasing an agent thats too strong is that the people who play them will feel disappointed at the nerfs even if they're justified. You see this with chamber players, or even in other games like overwatch's brig or deadlock's pocket
Wasn’t fade specifically made to power creep sova. I don’t really see other new agents being made to specifically power creep other agents too much they mostly try to make distinct characters
And then they nerfed her to the point sova just took his spot back anyway. The last nerf they gave her just needs to be reverted. Make her haunt easier to use like it was and make her prowlers stop being cosmetic.
Fade wasn't power creep. She was a competitor. Power creep is more like if an agent came out with the exact same recon as Sova, but it just lasts longer for no reason besides wanting that agent to be a better Sova.
The problem with what you suggest is that its not really possible to do. I mean, how can they know for sure how strong an agent or even just an ability will be overall ? On a specific map with a specific situation and a specific combo, its easy to dial it up or down to make it as strong as you want it to be. But the more variable you include, the more diverse the situations, use cases for the abilities, team compositions and personnal playstyles, the more you increase the difficulty of adjusting the power level of the agent. Chamber was overpowered for 2 main reasons: - having 2 teleportations was too versatile and he wasn't risky enought. wHich is easy to adjust. - 2 of his abilities are weapons, so he isn't impacted by economy as much as the others. Which is harder to adjust because its also skill based of powerful those weapons are (how many bullets does they need, how high the prices for the bullets should be) if it was a more classical ability or only the switch speed and duration had to be adjusted, it would have been easy. Fade was easier to adjust power wised because her abilitys are closer to others mechanically, even her ultimate. So its easier to have her at the power level you want and to adjust later slightly.
I think this is a common difficulty with any hero shooters is finding balance between what the playerbase wants and what the game needs. Riot needs to find a way to not introduce new agents and produce new content in some other ways. It is no surprise that any new agents that came out are not being used (except for the strong ones such as clove, buffed iso and buffed neon; i.e. vyse have 1% usage rate in comp, harbour have 0.5% usage rate). This is the effect of maps being constrained and designed in mind for the original agents before chamber. that means any agents that came out during and after chamber have a hard difficulty finding its foothold in the maps. Having more and more agents also means much harder for new players to pick up; its not a hard difficulty learning curve yet but its very much heading towards that. (look at how soon OW2 died). Its also no surprise that valorant is becoming more and more rng/less punishing as valorant keep debuffing direct damage utils and buffing more gimmicky utils such as the neon ult (there was no punishment for using neon ult because its guranteed a kill). Riot does not have the freedom like OW2 to put wacky abilities as all agents are contrained to ground movements majority of times. Jumping and vertical movements cannot be used to avoid those hypothetical abilities if added because majority of agents don't have that mobility (with raze and jett being the only exception). anyways this just pushes for valorant to release new content besides the ones that relate to comp directly
We need temporary powercreep. 6 mounth after the release of an agent he need to be better than other agent, because if the agent is perfectly balanced and exact same place than other char, what is the point of training a new agent that will not be better than your current choice ? So yeah, the agent need to be OP for 6 month, and then when everyone know how to play him we balance him back. Anyway, the problem with the other agent isn't really they are bad. The problem is that they are not sane to play. They are frustrating to play against, and not even fun to play with (even if they are bad) They are a way to make strong agent that are not that frustrating to play and fun to play
What's the point of learning a new agent? Well why should I learn anyone besides Jett? She's good, she will always be good, why should I learn anyone else?
@@Meghannyah I was mostly making fun out of your reasoning, to be exact the part: "If the agent is perfectly balanced and fills the same role as other agent what is the point of learning him?". First of all, there are no 2 same agents, every agent occupies a slightly different niche in the Valorant ecosystem, so every new agent fills a role that no other agent fully filled before. Second of all, going by your reasoning why should I learn anyone besides Jett? Her kit works in such a way she will never be truly bad, and even if for some time there will be better options they will eventually get nerfed and Jett will probably never be a bad pick. My point is, people learn new agents when a new agent has a kit that the person likes, otherwise when the new agent gets nerfed that person will hop back on his main.
I like having characters that are not powercreeping the game because, as seen with other games, this kind of powercrept can lead into FOMO or predatory changes to a game design.
@ sliding around with full accuracy was not that fun to watch personally. I’d rather watch a chamber that’s cracked at aiming at the end of the day he’s a dude with some more guns and a get out of jail free card. That’s also one persons skill expression rather than great team play to push chamber off his spots or to utilize chamber.
This is pure recency bias. Chamber was way more oppressive and made pro play predictable and boring. Neon on the other hand is the exact opposite in terms of excitement while not being nearly as busted (teams still play jett/raze, yoru/iso). So clearly neon isn't crazy OP
@@corvetteguy2223 like I said above just what I’d rather watch personally. The team play was just better during chamber meta because he was so oppressive and I never said it was op either just not what I want to watch 🤷🏻♂️
@@ImDripsta I agree, but I would rather watch a neon meta rather than the very stale meta before the buff. If the game is too balanced it will be very boring, especially when "watching" pro play.
ive had this thought for so long but never been able to put it in words! i want to see pro's use new agents when they release. i hate watching the same comps tournament after tournament. i understand not releasing an OP character, but i rather have a new agent release, get their moment in the spotlight, then be reeled back in. opposed to a new agent releases, theyre terrible, and maybe after months they might be okay enough to use, but no one cares anymore
I think that the defs are a bit scared of reusing things that are in the game, and with power creep make it do more things so it actually appears more viable than the common option. For example in Pokemon the newer Gens Pokemon are way more powerful and have abilities in even better so it gets sold more, its a bit of a different story with valorant but I hope u get the gist.
Everybody talking about chamber meta like it was the most oppressive meta ever meanwhile jett was broken for 3 years, teams had dedicated jett players and nobody seem to remember that.
Pretty sure riot could create newer agents to be all powerful on release to bring up hype then as soon as people have had enough they’ll just beg riot to nerf them. We all know the only reason riot has been releasing weaker agents is because the ptsd riot still has when they released chamber. Whether you love or hate Chamber, the chamber meta truly made the game feel on fire and exciting for players to get on their computers and start playing the game both casual/ranked and pro players. It’s such a shame that valorant wasn’t how it was in 2021-2022 and since then they release less powerful agents just to not repeat the same trauma they faced once, and honestly I think it’s also part of the reason why people say valorant is dying which I do agree on 100%
Imo power creep is what drives a game forward. Granted idk how this applies to a tac fps, but in general power creep is what improves the level of gameplay over time. The problem comes when riot starts nerfing agents that are marginally better than others (bc in a tac fps those margins will end up heavily inflating pick rates), this just reverts the entire meta back to what it was before the patch, and that meta has barely changed since 2021
I like the way Valorant releases their agents currently, where they lean on the side of underwhelming and change it gradually later. Keeps the game from being too volatile.
Some power creep is exciting as the stale / boring teams get punished for not adapting. Maybe we just need a team like Rankers to find some new meta comp and just smash with it on every map.
go to plat chat ep 109. bren references a change in the lead developer of agents and that harbour was the first agent that this guy made essentially. that lines up very well with the awful power levels of the agents on release until vyse.
I know this can be controversial, but I feel there should be agent bans for pro play. For example, Riot takes one of the 8 most picked agents in a map and bans picking them for that specific map in that specific tournament. That way they sort of force teams to change comps and try out new things
It’s worth mentioning characters are just starting to feel super one dimensional as everything slowly gets nerfed down. It feels quite hard to have a unique playstyle or signature the way you could when the game was released. Its sad seeing things like double shocks and omen one ways being removed as it feels like the original hype is literally no longer in the game.
What double shocks are you talking about? Also Omen oneways were removed to make him less one dimentional, as before if you threw a normal smoke instead of a oneway you would be trolling. I hope Riot gives Omen a way to drop short lasting smokes tho, would be much cooler than the oneways
@@RylHango I understand, and I'm not defending Riot in general, just their decisions that were actually good. Omen oneway removal was in my opinion good, an example of a change that was handled poorly by Riot were both the Neon buffs and nerfs. The Neon buff changed too many aspects of her kit and made her too good, and the recent nerf nerfed the things that didn't need to be nerfed (the 2 slides) and didn't change stuff like her sprint rechanrging in 20 seconds and fully on every kill
I don't agree with the need fo power creep for two reasons: 1. Picking up a new agent takes time, especially for pros; integrating it into the team comp takes even more time. Not seeing new agents immediately played is natural. 2. releaseing an OP agent is a gamble on how well they predicted what made them powerful, and how can they balance it. After Chamber, it's understandable they don't want to take it.
Hate the fact that they're doing balancing (buff or nerf) on a massive scale instead of experimenting if one nerf or buff is enough to balance underwhelming or overpowered agent
I think the reasonable level of powercreep is indeed needed. Or some better hype'ing for the new release. In the first case, if you receive something that feels underwhelming you can be discouraged to that character, and even if they got better later because of buffs or reworks, players could still be uninterested in playing that agent. In the second situation, you can make a character that just "clicks" with some players, and will stay with that character no matter what. Viper was that example at the start of the game, before her reign. She was niche, but still had some dedicated players population. Or with Yoru, who needed to have an entire rework to "be viable" but had his fans from the start (I was one of them XD), because he was teased very good, imo. When Riot advertised him as a "lurking duelist" I felt that it's finally a duelist for me, because I was a Cypher main in that time. XD Tbh I miss when they were teasing characters on maps which were chaning from patch to patch (Yoru and Icebox, Kay/O and Breeze, Chamber and Fracture). You could find them just playing the game and have somekind of suprsie. Now we have BP cards mostly, and some random posts
chamber meta was goated , tea played 0 duelist comp new comp on ascent and other map nvr saw miror comp on each map during chamber meta . agents like sage reyna yoru got to play on pro teams.
If they release an agent that they know is not meta relevant, they shouldn't release the agent at all. They should try to hit the exact same power level of the current meta agents, because even if they miss, the agent wont be too overwhelming or underwhelming.
I would hate to work for riot. The community wants broken agents that aren’t broken for too long. And when we call it broken it’s their fault when it goes on for too long it’s their fault. We can never be satisfied
I Dont even know why they made some nerfs when the agents were pretty much balanced: Omen smoke Raze satchel Jett smoke (from 4.5-2.5) Viper molly There for example were high skill ceiling abilities to use but they nerfed them even though they weren't a big problem in pro play and ranked. Omen one ways delayed a choke for max 16 secs and you can use util go get past a one way. Jett smokes beeing 4.5 just made her staying a live for 2 sec longer on site ,which doesnt make a difference at all, since she either dies beeing caught from cypher or she gets in and does nothing. Raze satchel was a very flexible util and the only util which she could quickly cast beeing valuable, now ppl can shoot it and it doesnt pop making entries so worse, when enemy nades or sova shocks coming while popping first satchel, beeing just unlucky timed and 0 tactical is a very bad experience in a tactical shooter which is stupid
- Omen one ways were the thing that made Omen the best controller in pro play, and Omen's role wasn't supposed to be stalling - Raze was and still is the best duelist in the game, and the satchels are the reason for that - Jett was the best duelist in the game at the time of her nerfs and her smokes had a combined duration of 9 seconds at the time which made them too good - Viper had a 80% pick rate in pro play prior to her nerfs, and the mollies prior to the nerf provided her with too much stall potential, on top of her having a very powerful kit in pro play
@filewr8515 I guess z can put jett smokes up to 3.5 which should be fine and nowadays raze is the only best duellist cuz of support utility which you cannot come up with in solo q rank(which is unfortunately not riots priority) Viper nowadays has like a 30-40% pickrate due to these nerfs so my point is: Start buffing agents instead of keep nerfing even power creeping with new agents work better than the current state of releasing boring agents which rely on aim like iso not beein really played in pro play
@@tokyo2642 Iso and Clove were 2 agent releases that were aimed at the ranked players which I also didn't like, but now Vyse is a solid agent on release, Deadlock is now a good agent, she was just really underpowered on release, and Gekko is one of the meta initiators right now. The problem in Valorant is that some of the agents will never be truly bad picks unless a new agent powercreeps them: Jett, Raze, Viper, Cypher and Killjoy will always be good because they fulfill a niche that will always be needed, and unless a new agent is added that fulfills a similar niche better they will always be good.
See everyone always says utility is too strong in this game. Like it should be an fps at the end of the day not a utility fest every round. But then we also hate it when agents are mid. I feel like all agents in the game should be mid so we can acc get aim diff kills and not just skye dog sova shock darted while getting vyse ulted
The valorant fanbase hates anything being too powerful... you can't have something be broken for like 2 months in this game without everyone begging to kill that agent again
5:22 This is the way. Add ranked agents so the regular ranked players can have their fun and be satisfied with new content, while riot is not adding broken shit that will ruin pro play. This game's balance is delicate. I'd much rather be safe than sorry. IF we really need a shake up in the pro scene, Fade should be the highest level of power creep that is introduced. Shit like the Neon that just got nerfed should never exist in a tac shooter, ever. Also keep in mind, these devs are not as good as top level radiants or pros. Those players most of the time will find the stuff that is truly busted if it exists (dantedeus, spike, yay, avova, etc)
Damn TMV isnt usually a shit take merchant but this one is awful. Constantly adding new overpowered agents might make the game evolve faster but at the cost of being really annoying for months at a time while riot collects and analyzes data.
Valorant needs 5 pct more power creep. Start by buffing fade and giving Skye her third flash back and giving dog a 2pct buff. Revert the stupid kayo pull out timing nerfs. Make vyses wall last an extra 2 seconds. And just go down the line with buffs like that. LET VIPER PICK HER ORB BACK UP. Like this stuff isn’t rocket science. Most of it is QOL improvements at a base level. It is not a fun experience trying to prowler someone or pull out a kayo flash and getting shot because you’re face rolling your kb trying to get your gun back out waiting on an animation. And if im really feeling froggy? Shorten the pull out animation on Jett after her dash. While we’re at it rework cloves mettle entirely and buff the pull out animation timing. You want to know why agents like neon and raze and iso and yoru are so abusive? Phx included? CAUSE THEYRE BLODDY ON TOP OF YOU W FULL UTILITY IN .25 seconds while you’re playing a controller or an intitutor and you can’t counter util cause by the time you get your utility off your gun won’t be back out and you’ll be dead.
You know the difference between an initiator and a duelist is that the duelist uses his utility for himself, but the initiator does it to support the team? The point of playing an initiator is that you support the team with your util, otherwise the agent you're playing would be in a different role
I have played many games(WZ, Fortnite, PUBG, OW, Hearthstone ...) with the issues of powercreeps randomly generated throught bad testing before a release. I am very glad valorant has the philosophy of creating neash agents/features and then buffing them once they figure out their power level
Yeah you’re right. The game feels so stale because of the lack of new exciting changes. They did a bit powercreep with neon recently but it was the worst kind that felt sh*tty to play against. Chamber was broken but right type of broken. You knew he was there holding with op. You had to approach him as a team to clear him out. Same with fade. No new agents excites me anymore because they are just gonna release them underpowered as hell. Just one of the few reasons i uninstalled it
That's the problem. They usually nerf what's annoying, but not what's overpowered. Raze/Jett still held the higher winrate across all ladders compared to Neon at her peak- but since she's 'annoying to play against', they decided to nerf her to the ground and nudge the game back to its default dive meta. Because people are so used to playing & playing against the old roster of agents, any new mechanics introduced to the game that directly compete with what's already established just feels 'game-breaking' (ie, shields, run and gun). So realistically, any new agent with a new mechanic cannot rise to the same power level as the old agents- simply because people will perceive them as 'threat' to what they say the "core principles of the game", which really only is the play pattern they're used to and they regurgitate over and over. "Agents like x should not exist in a tac shooter ever."- bs like this is what primarily makes the game stale and those saying these have no right to complain.
Not making agents broken upon release is stupid. You just create a trend where people weren't particularly hyped up for each new agents. Bringing new excitement for the player base by continuous update is the life blood of live service games but I guess rito looked at the data and draw the conclusion new skins are enough to keep the player base sedated
devs having ptsd about releasing strong agents and doing everything for pro play, but not silver-gold players, who are their game top users and caring more about skin sales, then game stability
In my opinion people are underrating Regen shields right now, buying light shields before was already not much worse than heavy shields, and now regen shields are just better light shields that cost only 250 more. The only case when you absolutely shouldn't buy regen shields is if the enemies love to use the Outlaw
@filewr8515 i outlaw all the guys and get a 4k on the third round after losing pistol and winning antieco and i basically do the same exact thing in the second half and get another 4k lmao
I dont think the situation is coming from a fear perspective but from the fact that valorant is a tac shooter. A players interest in tac shooters in my opinion tends to rely more on a players level of play rather than utils agents have. For instance, neon had a very unique and strong ability until she got nerfed but those utils that she had broke the tac shooter experience thus led to a nerf. I think its really hard to come up with an agent that is strong but does not fiddle with the part that valorant is a tac shooter, because if its too strong it might break the fact that valorant is a tac shooter and you might as well sit back and just throw util and not shoot at all. As for other types of games this might be a little bit more loose because its not a one shot in the head or the skill mastery is more important than just shooting heads in general. Theres another reason why its hard and that is the original agents having multiple good utils in their kit like raze having damage, scouting and entry skills all in her normal kit. They need to rework some of those original agents and split the utils viability more precisely so the upcoming agents can have room of success of overtaking the allrounder skills that some agents has
valorant devs have great creativity but them balancing agents sucks they do not know what the fuck to do to their agents and they are ruining their game
damn seems like a lot of people here just dont like change huh. Spice up your life a bit guys cmon plus valo is a very repetitive game so having a meta change is pretty nice once in a while
Mild powercreep etc keeps the game fresh. Our meta, through 2024 has gotten kinda solved. It's being pushed to a higher and higher level, but it feels like every piece has been set and it just needs polish. Come on Riot, shake it up a bit
Riot is shaking it up, just with balance changes instead. Neon was OP for a while, Omen got his oneways taken away, Phoenix could see some usage at the pro level after the rework, Astra has 5 stars again. Just because it doesn't happen overnight doesn't mean it's not happening.
i mean i think the big problem with broken agents on realese, is that in ranked you will see the agent played everywhere and playing every game against a broken agent is fun only for 2 people in the game. I like it a lot more that the agents are somewhat kept in check and dont ruin games, also the agents on realese are kept behind a paywall for first week which is crazy unfair and could be called pay2win when you have broken agent
game is not fun, it's just ranked and esports... there's no fun in valorant anymore. Play ranked or unrated, other game modes are just there to help u warm up to play rank like fking stupid ass game, im so glad i quit cos there are so many other better games that actually bring joy to me instead of giving me a skull splitting headache. The way how they are handling this game is quite terrible. it's been 5 fking years and the game is the fking same.
I like it when there is many “overpowered” characters. I think that the neon and iso buffs were good, but there wasn’t really any other characters on the same level. I hope that Valorant can go into something like marvel rivals, where almost all the characters are busted, I think it makes the game feel fresh and fun
Unlike other games which monetize character skins. Valorant doesn’t have agent skins & therefore there’s no reason for them to release an overpowered agent not to mention after chamber riot hasn’t released a broken agent almost as if it scares them.
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Riot doesn't make things strong for 2 reasons:
1. they want the general power level of agents to be lower than it was.
2. chamber TRAUMATISED them.
Hee-Ho!
Yes remembering beta Jett and raze was insane. But to be fair, people keep using Jett even though she is not very good right now. Just because she spent so long in pro play and her kit is still useful, just not S tier
@@azophi HEE HO !!! plus the meta is built around Dive Duelists in general, so as long as Jett has her core kit, she will be useful. anyway, 2-nade raze xdd
@@illuminoeye_gaming2 nade is still okay , 2 nade that slows u up to 80% so the second phase hit is NOT okay
@@azophibeta raze didn’t last too long, literally as soon as valorant was out of beta, they changed raze’s nade back down to one
seeing the thumbnail i was gonna say never cook again but lowkey in the first 30 seconds you convinced me
Bro got lost in tmv's beautiful eyes
@come too
rvetteguy2223
@@corvetteguy2223 thats besides the point
the thing about chamber, is although he was broken and it took them way too long to reign him back in, you can still see some of the lasting effects of this drastic meta change today. even if the agent doesn’t see a ton of play down the road, a new (or previously underutilized agent) high powered agent can change the meta while they’re strong, but the meta change will likely persist in some ways even once they’re brought down to a reasonable level.
its not hard, just realise the strongest part of an agent and rein it in, for chamber it was clearly the tp, and they were quick to rein in iso after failing to do so with chamber
@@lucidvibes8133 well there are a couple problems with just haphazardly nerfing the strongest part of an agents kit. developers generally still want the strongest part of the kit to remain the strongest part of the kit. it’s generally considered a good thing to keep an agents identity still similar to what it was previously. this is especially true if it’s the agents signature ability. for example, imagine if they reworked jett a bit and her cloudbursts lasted far longer and they nerfed her dash further. she would just feel like a completely different agent, and might even feel like more of a controller. another issue is that if the agents is very strong like chamber was and they just jumped to nerf his tp without proper testing, (imagine prime chamber with something like an 80%+ pick rate iirc to current chamber with less than 5% probably) they could single-handedly completely flip the meta overnight, which is simply not good for the game. although the problem is often pretty obvious, the solution is usually not.
@Hello-wo4sx they reduced the number of trademarks he has made the one trademarks he does have really loud, made the headhunter less accurate spamming slowed his ult to the speed of an operator just to realize the solution was his tp
@@lucidvibes8133 is there supposed to be a point somewhere in there i’m missing?
@@Hello-wo4sx yes, they shredded chamber's kit when the problem was the tp and the solution was fixing the tp
Unironically chamber meta was one of the best times for team comp wise. A lot of teams experimented a ton of comps around chamber and that made made the game fun as a viewer. Wont mind another agent that does similar kind of thing than playing raze or jett for 10000th time
jett and chamber meta was most fun to watch
@@xfrankenstein6981but aids to play against specially in ranked
@@sanakxz I'd much rather play in a jett chamber awp meta than astra, cypher, neon, viper or raze meta.
Fr that triple initiator comp was so much to play around with and more niche pics like yoru and phoenix
@@sanakxz astra was way worse than both of them in ranked tbh
The reason Riot don't add powerful things is because when they do, THEY GET SHIT FOR IT! They buffed Iso and everyone complained, they buffed Neon and everyone complained, when they added chamber, EVERYONE FUCKING COMPLAINED
Nah this is fax, every time someone is any type of strong ppl cry so much
What do you expect in a 15+ agent hero shooter for one of them to be able to kill you irrespective of what you do😂@@taystoner7144
It's not fun at all
lol commenting before watching the video 😂😂
Bro the problem is they make the buff too op instead of balancing it out with the meta , which leads to people crying .
@@taystoner7144 Disagree, people complain when someone they're not used to is good.
New agents being terrible by default sucks. I get why they're afraid of it but I miss the release something fun and broken approach.
it makes me leave any game that does it, im very glad valorant is against this ideology. lazy game design to release busted agents imo. I guarantee there are team comps out there waiting to be realized that are meta defining once pros figure them out
@@nik_mikI believe that games should be fun first and balanced second.
@@mckinleyostvig7135 Fun and balancing are fundamentally connected, in fact a big part of balancing is making characters fun to play against.
The thing is Valorant is made to be fun for the people that take it seriously, and not for the casual people
A lot of other games sell skins for the new releases, so they make them crazy strong to incentivize those sales. Valorant is unique in the fact that the content releases and the monetization are almost entirely separate (New guns being the only exception, but we've only had one of those)
This is a very valid and interesting point.
Unlike other games which monetize character skins. Valorant doesn’t have agent skins & therefore there’s no reason for them to release an overpowered agent not to mention after chamber riot hasn’t released a broken agent almost as if it scares them.
the one very good thing about the chamber meta was the innovation of comps as senti and oper was covered so you really could try new things as opposed to now where theyr both on two different people so people had an extra slot to do something extra
I think a big reason for this is because the agents they introduced at launch fit their core role so well that the new agents are forced to fit more of an off-role. Look at the sentinel class for example; it’s clear that information and stall are most important for the role at the highest level, and the two sentinels with the best mix of information and stall are cypher/kj. They can’t introduce a third sentinel with utility like those two without widening out the role more, which leads to us getting sentinels - heavy stall with deadlock and vyse, and aggro-info with chamber
Exactly that, you can also see a similar thing with the duelists at the pro level, the only good ones are dive duelists (Jett, Raze, Neon and in a way Yoru), and Riot hasn't been able to fix that problem since the launch of the game. You can see that with the current agent releases they're trying to change these things about the meta with Deadlock being a pure stall sentinel to give teams an agent with this functionality that isn't Sage, Iso being a non-dive duelist that for some time competed with the other duelists (the 1 week when he was OP), and Vyse being very clerly an anti-dive sentinel.
i think the real difference is all the original cast has generically useful util and new characters are suffer because of a need for unique utility which ultimately pushes them into a niche. fade was so good BECAUSE she was generically powerful on all parts of a map
I think it'd be useful to have some more powerful agents. I don't play CSGO so I don't know the exact details but I know there was a time where they buffed an under-used gun which increased it's usage rate and then later reverted the buff but it still kept a fairly inflated use.
Imagine if Harbor was insanely overpowered at his release and then slowly nerfed down to his current state. I don't think he'd be meta but I think his pick-rate would at least be a bit higher.
r8 meta was hell. you dont want that in ur videogame. same with m4a1s meta. however, you are right that a1s kept it's pickrate over the a4 after it was nerfed a couple times. trust me, you want things to suck at first, you don't want it the other way around. besides chamber, chamber is the goat
Think he talkin bout the krieg and aug @@nik_mik
@@nik_mikprobably talking about the AUG and krieg, R8 isn’t a slight buff, it was literally death destroyer of worlds lol
I believe it was a price change on the two rifles, I’m not sure on the specific stats otherwise
7:09 That's a great point, but I think the problem is the meta in Valorant being mostly the same since the game's release.
Sova, Breach, KAY/O, Jett, Raze, Cypher, Killjoy, Omen, Viper, Astra are always the meta, and the way to change this is to nerf some of them and buff agents that never were popular.
In fact, it's happening right now with the Phoenix changes, the Omen nerf, the Neon buff.
Valorant needs a different meta.
I actually like the way Val is balanced. The meta is still shaken up with balancing and new agents also become relevant in the meta after small changes and some time. Gecko and Deadlock both see a fair amount of pro play, EDG used a lot of clove, FNC uses Iso, etc.
about the Regen shield discussion, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THE USFULNESS WHEN A HEALER IS IN A TEAM, it gives back a lot more hp rather than if you bought full shield and become a lot more viable
yeah this is a pro play channel the 2 healers are trash in the meta rn
I honestly think the Regen shield is pretty good if you're playing spam, a shotgun, or an op. Personally, I like buying Regen shield with phantom
I think another aspect to powercreep in other games (especially card games) is that there is in many cases direct financial incentive for companies to introduce power creep. Taking a card game like Yugioh for example, they would probably see a lot less profit from new packs unless there were re-prints of current meta cards if they didn't create cards powerful enough to become the new meta. And while there are some choice examples of old cards becoming good because of a new archetype or new additions to an existing archetype, it's not nearly as common as big, shiny new cards coming out with 3 paragraphs of effect text to make it just a little better than the cards currently in circulation with only 2 paragraphs of effect text.
On the other hand, most val players don't buy the new heroes that come out, instead unlocking them for free either on release with the on release missions or with Kingdom Credits, and just deal with any that they're missing as a result of that strategy. I also think agent powercreep would go against one of their core design pillars, which is that it should ultimately be a gun-focused game. Agents getting stronger would inherently mean that they would either have to powercreep guns as well to maintain whatever balance of gun power : agent power they like, or scrap that core design pillar of the game.
I think it's a good thing the newer agents pop up a little weaker than the rest. For one, it doesn't give Riot a bad name for Pay to Win, releasing an overpowered agent each season or so with early access if you pay for them then nerfing the agent when it is released to the whole player base; And second, it gives players time to learn the agent, try them out while still being scared of playing the agent in ranked - and after they become a viable pick, the players will have a base knowledge of how to use them and won't troll ranked games
One thing that sucks about releasing an agent thats too strong is that the people who play them will feel disappointed at the nerfs even if they're justified. You see this with chamber players, or even in other games like overwatch's brig or deadlock's pocket
Wasn’t fade specifically made to
power creep sova. I don’t really see other new agents being made to specifically power creep other agents too much they mostly try to make distinct characters
And then they nerfed her to the point sova just took his spot back anyway. The last nerf they gave her just needs to be reverted. Make her haunt easier to use like it was and make her prowlers stop being cosmetic.
Fade wasn't power creep. She was a competitor. Power creep is more like if an agent came out with the exact same recon as Sova, but it just lasts longer for no reason besides wanting that agent to be a better Sova.
its so funny that i was talking to my friends about this literally last night
The problem with what you suggest is that its not really possible to do. I mean, how can they know for sure how strong an agent or even just an ability will be overall ? On a specific map with a specific situation and a specific combo, its easy to dial it up or down to make it as strong as you want it to be. But the more variable you include, the more diverse the situations, use cases for the abilities, team compositions and personnal playstyles, the more you increase the difficulty of adjusting the power level of the agent.
Chamber was overpowered for 2 main reasons:
- having 2 teleportations was too versatile and he wasn't risky enought. wHich is easy to adjust.
- 2 of his abilities are weapons, so he isn't impacted by economy as much as the others. Which is harder to adjust because its also skill based of powerful those weapons are (how many bullets does they need, how high the prices for the bullets should be) if it was a more classical ability or only the switch speed and duration had to be adjusted, it would have been easy.
Fade was easier to adjust power wised because her abilitys are closer to others mechanically, even her ultimate. So its easier to have her at the power level you want and to adjust later slightly.
I think this is a common difficulty with any hero shooters is finding balance between what the playerbase wants and what the game needs. Riot needs to find a way to not introduce new agents and produce new content in some other ways. It is no surprise that any new agents that came out are not being used (except for the strong ones such as clove, buffed iso and buffed neon; i.e. vyse have 1% usage rate in comp, harbour have 0.5% usage rate). This is the effect of maps being constrained and designed in mind for the original agents before chamber. that means any agents that came out during and after chamber have a hard difficulty finding its foothold in the maps. Having more and more agents also means much harder for new players to pick up; its not a hard difficulty learning curve yet but its very much heading towards that. (look at how soon OW2 died).
Its also no surprise that valorant is becoming more and more rng/less punishing as valorant keep debuffing direct damage utils and buffing more gimmicky utils such as the neon ult (there was no punishment for using neon ult because its guranteed a kill). Riot does not have the freedom like OW2 to put wacky abilities as all agents are contrained to ground movements majority of times. Jumping and vertical movements cannot be used to avoid those hypothetical abilities if added because majority of agents don't have that mobility (with raze and jett being the only exception).
anyways this just pushes for valorant to release new content besides the ones that relate to comp directly
We need temporary powercreep.
6 mounth after the release of an agent he need to be better than other agent, because if the agent is perfectly balanced and exact same place than other char, what is the point of training a new agent that will not be better than your current choice ? So yeah, the agent need to be OP for 6 month, and then when everyone know how to play him we balance him back.
Anyway, the problem with the other agent isn't really they are bad. The problem is that they are not sane to play. They are frustrating to play against, and not even fun to play with (even if they are bad) They are a way to make strong agent that are not that frustrating to play and fun to play
What's the point of learning a new agent?
Well why should I learn anyone besides Jett? She's good, she will always be good, why should I learn anyone else?
@filewr8515 Thats exactly the point, if no temporary powercreep, then people will continue playing Jett
@@Meghannyah I was mostly making fun out of your reasoning, to be exact the part: "If the agent is perfectly balanced and fills the same role as other agent what is the point of learning him?".
First of all, there are no 2 same agents, every agent occupies a slightly different niche in the Valorant ecosystem, so every new agent fills a role that no other agent fully filled before.
Second of all, going by your reasoning why should I learn anyone besides Jett? Her kit works in such a way she will never be truly bad, and even if for some time there will be better options they will eventually get nerfed and Jett will probably never be a bad pick.
My point is, people learn new agents when a new agent has a kit that the person likes, otherwise when the new agent gets nerfed that person will hop back on his main.
@filewr8515 Raze is far better than jett on some map, that's why you need to train her
Maybe riot is a bit cautious not to break the problem meta with overpowered agent idk
I like having characters that are not powercreeping the game because, as seen with other games, this kind of powercrept can lead into FOMO or predatory changes to a game design.
TMV: powercreep aint that bad.
RIOT releasing Tejo: aight bet
I’d rather watch the chamber meta than when neon was busted
What? The Neon meta was much more fun to watch imo, way more skill expression on Neon
@ sliding around with full accuracy was not that fun to watch personally. I’d rather watch a chamber that’s cracked at aiming at the end of the day he’s a dude with some more guns and a get out of jail free card. That’s also one persons skill expression rather than great team play to push chamber off his spots or to utilize chamber.
This is pure recency bias. Chamber was way more oppressive and made pro play predictable and boring. Neon on the other hand is the exact opposite in terms of excitement while not being nearly as busted (teams still play jett/raze, yoru/iso). So clearly neon isn't crazy OP
@@corvetteguy2223 like I said above just what I’d rather watch personally. The team play was just better during chamber meta because he was so oppressive and I never said it was op either just not what I want to watch 🤷🏻♂️
@@ImDripsta I agree, but I would rather watch a neon meta rather than the very stale meta before the buff. If the game is too balanced it will be very boring, especially when "watching" pro play.
ive had this thought for so long but never been able to put it in words! i want to see pro's use new agents when they release. i hate watching the same comps tournament after tournament. i understand not releasing an OP character, but i rather have a new agent release, get their moment in the spotlight, then be reeled back in. opposed to a new agent releases, theyre terrible, and maybe after months they might be okay enough to use, but no one cares anymore
Alternate timeline, TMV video "Does Valorant have a powercreep problem?"
I think that the defs are a bit scared of reusing things that are in the game, and with power creep make it do more things so it actually appears more viable than the common option. For example in Pokemon the newer Gens Pokemon are way more powerful and have abilities in even better so it gets sold more, its a bit of a different story with valorant but I hope u get the gist.
bro, Incineroar is 10 years old but still the best competitive pokemon
Everybody talking about chamber meta like it was the most oppressive meta ever meanwhile jett was broken for 3 years, teams had dedicated jett players and nobody seem to remember that.
Pretty sure riot could create newer agents to be all powerful on release to bring up hype then as soon as people have had enough they’ll just beg riot to nerf them. We all know the only reason riot has been releasing weaker agents is because the ptsd riot still has when they released chamber. Whether you love or hate Chamber, the chamber meta truly made the game feel on fire and exciting for players to get on their computers and start playing the game both casual/ranked and pro players. It’s such a shame that valorant wasn’t how it was in 2021-2022 and since then they release less powerful agents just to not repeat the same trauma they faced once, and honestly I think it’s also part of the reason why people say valorant is dying which I do agree on 100%
The thumbnail when yay came back
Imo power creep is what drives a game forward. Granted idk how this applies to a tac fps, but in general power creep is what improves the level of gameplay over time. The problem comes when riot starts nerfing agents that are marginally better than others (bc in a tac fps those margins will end up heavily inflating pick rates), this just reverts the entire meta back to what it was before the patch, and that meta has barely changed since 2021
I like the way Valorant releases their agents currently, where they lean on the side of underwhelming and change it gradually later. Keeps the game from being too volatile.
Makes the game boring imo. Seems like stuff hardly changes
they should add another mode, maybe with very slightly modified mechanics, and mostly [new] maps so you can play with either limited or no abilities
Some power creep is exciting as the stale / boring teams get punished for not adapting. Maybe we just need a team like Rankers to find some new meta comp and just smash with it on every map.
because some old agents already established as agent meta for so long some agent they dw to learn or not fit for the tournament
go to plat chat ep 109. bren references a change in the lead developer of agents and that harbour was the first agent that this guy made essentially. that lines up very well with the awful power levels of the agents on release until vyse.
wait.... that's some memory
I know this can be controversial, but I feel there should be agent bans for pro play. For example, Riot takes one of the 8 most picked agents in a map and bans picking them for that specific map in that specific tournament.
That way they sort of force teams to change comps and try out new things
It’s worth mentioning characters are just starting to feel super one dimensional as everything slowly gets nerfed down. It feels quite hard to have a unique playstyle or signature the way you could when the game was released. Its sad seeing things like double shocks and omen one ways being removed as it feels like the original hype is literally no longer in the game.
What double shocks are you talking about?
Also Omen oneways were removed to make him less one dimentional, as before if you threw a normal smoke instead of a oneway you would be trolling.
I hope Riot gives Omen a way to drop short lasting smokes tho, would be much cooler than the oneways
@filewr8515shock dart lineups don’t kill now unless both darts land perfectly, btw you don’t need to defend riot
@@RylHango I understand, and I'm not defending Riot in general, just their decisions that were actually good. Omen oneway removal was in my opinion good, an example of a change that was handled poorly by Riot were both the Neon buffs and nerfs. The Neon buff changed too many aspects of her kit and made her too good, and the recent nerf nerfed the things that didn't need to be nerfed (the 2 slides) and didn't change stuff like her sprint rechanrging in 20 seconds and fully on every kill
@filewr8515 huh? Are we saying that neon’s sprint reset was what made her OP?
@@RylHango I'm saying if Neon had her sprint reset removed instead of her 2nd slide she would be in a healthier spot right now.
Idea for slightly OP agent. Omen flash but it’s a flash
We need fade meta back, we need more agents in rols like smoker, sentinels and iniciators more powerful
I don't agree with the need fo power creep for two reasons:
1. Picking up a new agent takes time, especially for pros; integrating it into the team comp takes even more time. Not seeing new agents immediately played is natural.
2. releaseing an OP agent is a gamble on how well they predicted what made them powerful, and how can they balance it. After Chamber, it's understandable they don't want to take it.
Hate the fact that they're doing balancing (buff or nerf) on a massive scale instead of experimenting if one nerf or buff is enough to balance underwhelming or overpowered agent
Clove - Double Duelist has power creeped ranked 💀
I think the reasonable level of powercreep is indeed needed. Or some better hype'ing for the new release.
In the first case, if you receive something that feels underwhelming you can be discouraged to that character, and even if they got better later because of buffs or reworks, players could still be uninterested in playing that agent.
In the second situation, you can make a character that just "clicks" with some players, and will stay with that character no matter what. Viper was that example at the start of the game, before her reign. She was niche, but still had some dedicated players population. Or with Yoru, who needed to have an entire rework to "be viable" but had his fans from the start (I was one of them XD), because he was teased very good, imo. When Riot advertised him as a "lurking duelist" I felt that it's finally a duelist for me, because I was a Cypher main in that time. XD
Tbh I miss when they were teasing characters on maps which were chaning from patch to patch (Yoru and Icebox, Kay/O and Breeze, Chamber and Fracture). You could find them just playing the game and have somekind of suprsie. Now we have BP cards mostly, and some random posts
I started playing valo when fade came out and i was excited to open her.. now a days not so much. Clove is good but rest not.
well, as a chamber main, riot pls justgive chamber 2nd trap
and he will be meta on Lotus and Icebox
thank u tmv for using chamber clips that dont include yay with the sheriff on icebox
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chamber meta was goated , tea played 0 duelist comp new comp on ascent and other map nvr saw miror comp on each map during chamber meta . agents like sage reyna yoru got to play on pro teams.
Me personally I think its pretty boring that Valorant right now has no "must pick" like 2022 Chamber, OP stuff is so fun to play
If they release an agent that they know is not meta relevant, they shouldn't release the agent at all.
They should try to hit the exact same power level of the current meta agents, because even if they miss, the agent wont be too overwhelming or underwhelming.
I would hate to work for riot. The community wants broken agents that aren’t broken for too long. And when we call it broken it’s their fault when it goes on for too long it’s their fault. We can never be satisfied
ask and you shall recieve
powercreep happens very often in other games cause they r pay to win. devs add busted stuff and add a pay wall!!! That is not how valo works.
I Dont even know why they made some nerfs when the agents were pretty much balanced:
Omen smoke
Raze satchel
Jett smoke (from 4.5-2.5)
Viper molly
There for example were high skill ceiling abilities to use but they nerfed them even though they weren't a big problem in pro play and ranked.
Omen one ways delayed a choke for max 16 secs and you can use util go get past a one way.
Jett smokes beeing 4.5 just made her staying a live for 2 sec longer on site ,which doesnt make a difference at all, since she either dies beeing caught from cypher or she gets in and does nothing.
Raze satchel was a very flexible util and the only util which she could quickly cast beeing valuable, now ppl can shoot it and it doesnt pop making entries so worse, when enemy nades or sova shocks coming while popping first satchel, beeing just unlucky timed and 0 tactical is a very bad experience in a tactical shooter which is stupid
- Omen one ways were the thing that made Omen the best controller in pro play, and Omen's role wasn't supposed to be stalling
- Raze was and still is the best duelist in the game, and the satchels are the reason for that
- Jett was the best duelist in the game at the time of her nerfs and her smokes had a combined duration of 9 seconds at the time which made them too good
- Viper had a 80% pick rate in pro play prior to her nerfs, and the mollies prior to the nerf provided her with too much stall potential, on top of her having a very powerful kit in pro play
@filewr8515 I guess z can put jett smokes up to 3.5 which should be fine and nowadays raze is the only best duellist cuz of support utility which you cannot come up with in solo q rank(which is unfortunately not riots priority) Viper nowadays has like a 30-40% pickrate due to these nerfs so my point is:
Start buffing agents instead of keep nerfing even power creeping with new agents work better than the current state of releasing boring agents which rely on aim like iso not beein really played in pro play
@@tokyo2642 Iso and Clove were 2 agent releases that were aimed at the ranked players which I also didn't like, but now Vyse is a solid agent on release, Deadlock is now a good agent, she was just really underpowered on release, and Gekko is one of the meta initiators right now.
The problem in Valorant is that some of the agents will never be truly bad picks unless a new agent powercreeps them: Jett, Raze, Viper, Cypher and Killjoy will always be good because they fulfill a niche that will always be needed, and unless a new agent is added that fulfills a similar niche better they will always be good.
trust me harbor buff will give you that power creep
How do we know, though? Has it been leaked?
Well say hello to el tejas
See everyone always says utility is too strong in this game. Like it should be an fps at the end of the day not a utility fest every round. But then we also hate it when agents are mid. I feel like all agents in the game should be mid so we can acc get aim diff kills and not just skye dog sova shock darted while getting vyse ulted
Can someone please mention what music TMV uses for the background?
The valorant fanbase hates anything being too powerful... you can't have something be broken for like 2 months in this game without everyone begging to kill that agent again
5:22 This is the way. Add ranked agents so the regular ranked players can have their fun and be satisfied with new content, while riot is not adding broken shit that will ruin pro play. This game's balance is delicate. I'd much rather be safe than sorry. IF we really need a shake up in the pro scene, Fade should be the highest level of power creep that is introduced. Shit like the Neon that just got nerfed should never exist in a tac shooter, ever.
Also keep in mind, these devs are not as good as top level radiants or pros. Those players most of the time will find the stuff that is truly busted if it exists (dantedeus, spike, yay, avova, etc)
I still think Riot nerfed Viper too hard and now she's not played enough imo
Damn TMV isnt usually a shit take merchant but this one is awful.
Constantly adding new overpowered agents might make the game evolve faster but at the cost of being really annoying for months at a time while riot collects and analyzes data.
TL;DR, Yes.
Valorant needs 5 pct more power creep. Start by buffing fade and giving Skye her third flash back and giving dog a 2pct buff. Revert the stupid kayo pull out timing nerfs. Make vyses wall last an extra 2 seconds. And just go down the line with buffs like that. LET VIPER PICK HER ORB BACK UP. Like this stuff isn’t rocket science. Most of it is QOL improvements at a base level. It is not a fun experience trying to prowler someone or pull out a kayo flash and getting shot because you’re face rolling your kb trying to get your gun back out waiting on an animation. And if im really feeling froggy? Shorten the pull out animation on Jett after her dash. While we’re at it rework cloves mettle entirely and buff the pull out animation timing. You want to know why agents like neon and raze and iso and yoru are so abusive? Phx included? CAUSE THEYRE BLODDY ON TOP OF YOU W FULL UTILITY IN .25 seconds while you’re playing a controller or an intitutor and you can’t counter util cause by the time you get your utility off your gun won’t be back out and you’ll be dead.
You know the difference between an initiator and a duelist is that the duelist uses his utility for himself, but the initiator does it to support the team? The point of playing an initiator is that you support the team with your util, otherwise the agent you're playing would be in a different role
i love him scrolling through the overwatch videos and you just see the title "least racist overwatch player" lmao
I have played many games(WZ, Fortnite, PUBG, OW, Hearthstone ...) with the issues of powercreeps randomly generated throught bad testing before a release. I am very glad valorant has the philosophy of creating neash agents/features and then buffing them once they figure out their power level
Yeah you’re right. The game feels so stale because of the lack of new exciting changes. They did a bit powercreep with neon recently but it was the worst kind that felt sh*tty to play against. Chamber was broken but right type of broken. You knew he was there holding with op. You had to approach him as a team to clear him out. Same with fade. No new agents excites me anymore because they are just gonna release them underpowered as hell. Just one of the few reasons i uninstalled it
That's the problem. They usually nerf what's annoying, but not what's overpowered. Raze/Jett still held the higher winrate across all ladders compared to Neon at her peak- but since she's 'annoying to play against', they decided to nerf her to the ground and nudge the game back to its default dive meta. Because people are so used to playing & playing against the old roster of agents, any new mechanics introduced to the game that directly compete with what's already established just feels 'game-breaking' (ie, shields, run and gun). So realistically, any new agent with a new mechanic cannot rise to the same power level as the old agents- simply because people will perceive them as 'threat' to what they say the "core principles of the game", which really only is the play pattern they're used to and they regurgitate over and over. "Agents like x should not exist in a tac shooter ever."- bs like this is what primarily makes the game stale and those saying these have no right to complain.
@@pjjustice5014 I 100% agree, Neon was maybe a little overtuned but didn't deserve the degree she was nerfed.
They need a decent map. Even if all the agents aren’t viable they need a map that plays well. Their
Maps are objectively terrible
Just nerf outlaw from 140 to 120 bodyshot.
Then it's just a Marshall.
Completely agree
Not making agents broken upon release is stupid. You just create a trend where people weren't particularly hyped up for each new agents. Bringing new excitement for the player base by continuous update is the life blood of live service games but I guess rito looked at the data and draw the conclusion new skins are enough to keep the player base sedated
devs having ptsd about releasing strong agents and doing everything for pro play, but not silver-gold players, who are their game top users
and caring more about skin sales, then game stability
regens should have had 50hp and cost 1200 change my mind
doesnt help you buy util
In my opinion people are underrating Regen shields right now, buying light shields before was already not much worse than heavy shields, and now regen shields are just better light shields that cost only 250 more. The only case when you absolutely shouldn't buy regen shields is if the enemies love to use the Outlaw
@filewr8515 i outlaw all the guys and get a 4k on the third round after losing pistol and winning antieco and i basically do the same exact thing in the second half and get another 4k lmao
@@ArimaSenne1 I told you, you don't buy regens against Outlaw players. Also regens are a good option on the 2nd round after winning pistol
Just make everything broken again
Please hate on sen TMV we need the drama
I dont think the situation is coming from a fear perspective but from the fact that valorant is a tac shooter. A players interest in tac shooters in my opinion tends to rely more on a players level of play rather than utils agents have. For instance, neon had a very unique and strong ability until she got nerfed but those utils that she had broke the tac shooter experience thus led to a nerf. I think its really hard to come up with an agent that is strong but does not fiddle with the part that valorant is a tac shooter, because if its too strong it might break the fact that valorant is a tac shooter and you might as well sit back and just throw util and not shoot at all. As for other types of games this might be a little bit more loose because its not a one shot in the head or the skill mastery is more important than just shooting heads in general.
Theres another reason why its hard and that is the original agents having multiple good utils in their kit like raze having damage, scouting and entry skills all in her normal kit. They need to rework some of those original agents and split the utils viability more precisely so the upcoming agents can have room of success of overtaking the allrounder skills that some agents has
valorant devs have great creativity but them balancing agents sucks they do not know what the fuck to do to their agents and they are ruining their game
busted agents make the game fun imo
damn seems like a lot of people here just dont like change huh. Spice up your life a bit guys cmon plus valo is a very repetitive game so having a meta change is pretty nice once in a while
The lack of power creep is one of the biggest reasons Valorant is my favorite game
Bro I swear I hate mobile legends cuz there are power creeps there and I love valorant (except neon meta) for what they do
definitely agree but i think your forgetting how good clove was on release. it just took a week or two for people to realize
Mild powercreep etc keeps the game fresh. Our meta, through 2024 has gotten kinda solved. It's being pushed to a higher and higher level, but it feels like every piece has been set and it just needs polish.
Come on Riot, shake it up a bit
Riot is shaking it up, just with balance changes instead.
Neon was OP for a while, Omen got his oneways taken away, Phoenix could see some usage at the pro level after the rework, Astra has 5 stars again.
Just because it doesn't happen overnight doesn't mean it's not happening.
i mean i think the big problem with broken agents on realese, is that in ranked you will see the agent played everywhere and playing every game against a broken agent is fun only for 2 people in the game. I like it a lot more that the agents are somewhat kept in check and dont ruin games, also the agents on realese are kept behind a paywall for first week which is crazy unfair and could be called pay2win when you have broken agent
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That's definitely not true. Back when deadlock came out, everybody gold and below was crying about how OP she was
game is not fun, it's just ranked and esports... there's no fun in valorant anymore. Play ranked or unrated, other game modes are just there to help u warm up to play rank like fking stupid ass game, im so glad i quit cos there are so many other better games that actually bring joy to me instead of giving me a skull splitting headache. The way how they are handling this game is quite terrible. it's been 5 fking years and the game is the fking same.
A couple of days ago, I made a video talking about Regen Shield
And how, I think the regen shields are kind of a bit underwhelming
Im not sure that they were the best addition to the game
Whilst it’s not they were a terrible addition to the game
And whilst it's not a terrible addition to the game
whilst it's not a terrible addition to the game
Valorant feeling BORING AF!!! Maps suck… Every hero feels unfun to play. Neon main feels worse than the year old neon…
I like it when there is many “overpowered” characters. I think that the neon and iso buffs were good, but there wasn’t really any other characters on the same level. I hope that Valorant can go into something like marvel rivals, where almost all the characters are busted, I think it makes the game feel fresh and fun
You forget that guns exist in valorant and there needs to be a balance between abilities and gunplay
no views in 57s, bro fell off
chamber is a skill check, thank you chamber for teaching us how to clear common op angles properly
Unlike other games which monetize character skins. Valorant doesn’t have agent skins & therefore there’s no reason for them to release an overpowered agent not to mention after chamber riot hasn’t released a broken agent almost as if it scares them.