For a lot more exclusive content and help with your gardening and food forest projects, join our community here: www.skool.com/the-survival-gardener Thank you, members, for making this presentation possible! You can join for a week for free and check out the videos - it's a great resource. And get Landrace Gardening here: amzn.to/3ZAuvk6
love it, u have just made me feel so much better about my chaotic messy natural garden, loads of stuff grows in there, chard, tomato, loofah, butternut squash, dandelions, cucumbers self seed regularly
For those in the Central Texas area, there is a small seed company called Brim Seed Company growing their own seed, "southern adapted" to local conditions. Shout out to them!
Thank you for this information. Been growing for 3 years here in North Houston and it has been brutal but I am slowly collecting strong seeds and I have tomato plants right now producing even when we are hitting 30 degree temps at night and 70-80 during the day. Going to keep these plants going as long as I can to see how long they last. I overhead water everything with zero commercial or store bought fertilizers.
@koietsu It's crazy...my Cherokee Purples are knocj8ng themselves out, probably ripening the earliest ones around NewYears if I can keep them from freezing.
@@koietsumy sweet100s little cherry tomatoes in pots on the porch started growing like crazy and covered with blooms and little green maters at New Years. Brought them in for the week of lows of 20 and teens. See how long I can keep them going and get those green ones to ripen.😁
I bought a burpee sun gold tomato at Home Depot years ago. It liked my yard so much those tomatoes volunteer every year. As long as I don’t get sued, they’re still really good.
We just had a freeze in South Georgia last week but today it’s 78 degrees so I’m weeding and cutting back the frost damaged plants and shoveling wood chips. Still in Mid December! I harvested a bunch of peppers in. My greenhouse this morning. I have tomatoes forming in another greenhouse. My ginger in the greenhouse didn’t even die back. I’m thrilled but man…. It’s a lot of work. I get days here and there of brakes from the garden but not months! lol!
I germinate haas avocado seeds and grow them unprotected in zone 9a. I can’t claim to be a great or successful gardener/Nurssry/Orchard guy but I am testing seed grown tropicals for cold hardiness. If I am ever successful and end up with something cold hardy that tastes good I will be giving away cuttings/scions to any nursery folks who want to get them out to customers. Hopefully I move them to zone 8b for someone to push them further. Maybe a mango or avocado survive a cold winter here. All of them survived the 30 degree night but they were close to the greenhouse which radiates heat. It was cold enough to partially damage Cassava and Chaya. I want to see more people start fruits from seed and cold test them and connect with gardeners and nursery folks in the next coldest zone.
@@johnliberty3647 cold hardy avocados, awsome! 😍😁 I’m here in the row to push it further when they reach zone 7b… 😂 at least we have enough water and hot summers! 🤷♀️🤩
To avert potential disaster, I always keep half of whatever seed I'm planting. That way if it fails I can replant or use the next year as backup, and then only plant half of the backups. Always mark and date the seeds you save.
I love when a growing philosophy gels so well with what my garden instincts tell me through experience! This is a better way of saying what I usually just call "chuck it in and see, only the resilient survive in my lazy garden; and when they do, they usually hang around on their own" when people ask me. Have been watching you for years mate, now doing research for my own little vids and was delighted to find this one! Thanks both of you and hi from Oz 😊
Yep the best peaches i have are from a guy that was like, “You want some peach trees? They came from seeds just dumped out here.” Best choice of peaches Ive made. I just wish it didn’t take so long for fruit trees to get fruit from
What a great interaction between the two of you! Loved it! Adaptation Gardening is the key not only to have great survival gardening products but also the only way to preserve food biodiversity!
I got a blue Hubbard squash that seemed to have crossed w a Sweet Dumpling. It was green and white striped, football shape and size - and sweet sweet sweet. Those tiny sweet dumplings crossed with anything that was willing. I thought I had done it All Wrong. Ordered the book. Can’t wait!! Thx!!
Thanks to you, David, I have his book. And I grew cucumbers and soup beans for them from seeds I got from Going to seed a couple of years ago. I think I'll read the book again. Good to see both of you!
This past season was year 3 on my adaptive corn patch. The variety in the corn patch was crazy. The most interesting is sweet corn type kernels with flecks of purple. They kinda look like jelly beans. I'm going to try them in a different plot to see if that trait carries through the next generation. Great talk, I did a search a few days ago to see if Joseph had any new talks up. Thank you both
I've never heard of Joseph. the day before yesterday he liked my permie post and then today I see you with him wow what are the chances of that😅😂. Great podcast btw!
Wow, what a coincedence! I was just looking through my book wishlist and found that “Landrace gardening” book, what I put there because you mentioned it in another video… and trying to find out, what that is…. It’s even worse, when you try to find a propper translation to german! 😳🙈 and now… here it is: “Adaptive gardening” … have only heard the first 20 minutes, but it’s already soooo interesting! Thank you! 🙏🏻 Just ordered the book! 😁🙃
One day when My wife and I got to church right in front of where we parked was a single 10-in stem with a ping pong ball sized tomato that was bright red on it. We left it there and went inside. What I failed to mention is that we had been going through about a month or two drought and it was the middle of a Florida 9B summer. Next week it was gone. I kick myself everyday for not taking that tomato and saving the seeds.
The old fashioned big varieties are easiest. Last year I grew Sangeria for the first time. They are heavy feeders, want lots of water and direct sunshine. That's it. This year I am planting more. In the middle of each hill of seeds I will drive down a T post, and install a tree watering bag. It will slowly leak 15 gallons of water over several days.
Such a good lesson. I'm using both of your garden "stuff" and my everglade tomatoes are running wild! Along with cilantro and a basil and zinnias, totally awsome. Were a small legit homestead in Central TX, zone 8a. Crazy heat, no rain then flood. Have been adapting seed for 11 years, nature knows best! All the best to you both.
I've been planting Ireland Creek Annie and Beka Brown beans for years, saving my own seed. This year my garden was taken over by a new kind of bean that I assume is a hybrid of the two, but this bean was a pole climber, not a bush bean like its ancestors. I assume it mingled with the green beans on the other side of the garden. It was extremely prolific and grew so strongly that it pulled down the sorghum and sunflowers it climbed up. I haven't tasted it yet, but I'm hopeful! I'll be interested to see what emerges when I plant the hybrids next year.
I saved seeds from Broadleaf Mustard that survived the biggest drought and worst heatwave we`ve ever had in Louisiana that grew in poor soil amid a jungle of cow pea varieties through spring, summer, winter and through another spring for over a year. The seeds I saved have done much better than the parent seeds and will grow anywhere they fall and they`re very vigorous plants. I`m gonna save seeds next spring from ones growing side by side with red Japanese mustard which is far less vigorous here.
.Tomatoes grow like weeds here. If you eat store bought tomatoes and use compost toilet waste in your backyard you can end up with some interesting results. Last season a tomato plant popped up that was very vigorous and whilst the fruit was rather small and average tasting when I picked the fruit it was able to stay fresh on my windowsill for over 3 months! I definitely saved the seeds of that one for planting later.
David, have you tried Cape Gooseberry/Golden Berry? They`re related to Ground Cherries but grow as a perennial in the South if care is taken to overwinter the main stem with mulching. The fruits on mine were devoured by something that left a hole in the husk and a pile of frass inside. They set fruit best in cooler temperatures and are so delicious. If planted in early spring they begin fruiting heavily in late fall and the next spring.
I have landraced lunchbox peppers. I'm currently getting banana pepper sized fruits. Will be interesting to see what next years planting of this years seeds will produce. I had bell and lunchbox planted together, each season. The bells produce little.
I live where not many plants choose to live but there is always something that makes it. What is interesting to me is how nothing grows when the package says it will grow. It is December 9th and we have had a few frosts. My tomatoes are coming in to fruit. I don't know if they will ripen; but, what if they do?
The darn algorithm kept me busy till now. I support your remarkable convictions. Wish I could do more. I plan to binge on a bunch of your videos as soon as I can get down to it. Thanks for what you do!
When I was a kid on the farm, we grew for a garden stand, some summer squash seed we had was crossed with hard-shelled gourds and inedible, tossed those.
This was amazing, my mind is racing with ideas. When I lived in upstate SC. I grew gourdseed corn. 2 packs of Texas gourdseed from which I saved a few seeds from the best ears. Then bought 1 pack of Virginia gourdseed. Did the same thing and next year bought a pack of Cherokee Gourdseed. I did it to maintain genetic diversity, and it was fun. Your presentation just gave us permission to save seeds from a hybrid tomato that I like and see what happens. That’s great!
Great interview! I watched some videos about Mr Lofthouse when you first mentioned him years ago, but I have not much space to play with now...but I do save my seeds, and they have done okay, mostly. Thanks!!
This was so fantastic and gives me a lot to consider. Please also do one of these with Steve Solomon. Gardening when it counts is still my favorite and im always wanting to know more details on things in it. Especially how garden with hand tools (double digging) i habe read his books and am constantly checking to see if he has made a new one or rewritten any of his old ones you have been publishing. Keep up the good work.
Wow, missed the Goodstream .....again but so enjoying and learning more about gardening from your guest, Joseph Lofthouse, when the Goodstream began I had gotten up to go to the bathroom and when I heard Joseph speak, I thought David has D.J. Moore, native Coloradoran from the western slope, but I'm seeing here accents are similar between Utahns and Coloradorans. 😁
Going to Seed has boosted my garden with so many species i thought i couldn't grow in my poor conditions, it's wild! The strangest things happen, from far north and south, plants suddenly grow and produce that never wanted to work, because they were bred over years in super extreme climates, they're having a breeze where i'm living. And the colors and variety makes it even more attractive. We as gardeners were let down by industry. Adaptation gardening takes the power back! People on marginal grounds and differing impossible climates team up to make crops grow everywhere, stronger, healhier and more resistant to whatever the ecosystem throws at us.
I am definitely a garden geek and lover of mother earth. I'm so engaged in your channel and yes have joined the scool. Wonderful interview, just common sense fun. I have found my peops! It just doesn't have to be that hard!! Yeahh .. Thank you for your joyful spirit and inspiration.
kinda funny how you described the tomatoes issue ...we also have a similar situation with the sungold cherry tomatoes. I gotta say though, those tomatoes are so darn good, love the flavor..probably my favorite.
On other gardening forum I bring up Mr Lofthouse when people get overly preachy about non hybrid seeds and preventing cross pollination. I tell them I intentionally cross anything and everything. I want more people to find out what Mr Lofthouse is doing so we can all make seeds adapted to our environment. As far as GMO pollination goes, Even though it didn’t happen naturally I see GMO as a mutation and if it was meant to carry on its genes naturally then it was meant to be carried on.
I'm in Chihuahua,, Mexico, brittle dry lands on a high altitude plateau. Winter squash: all the hard skinned ones were smaller and they all started to rot near spring. The soft skinned green and white striped Hindenburgs, the size of a wheel barrow, would stay in perfect conditions into the middle of summer. I'm not interested in the hard skinned ones either unless I'm making a painted container as a present.
We call it “stress-training.” Put the plants under “controlled” stressful conditions and let it naturally figure out how to survive. Those that die, clearly are weak… and those that thrive typically have the suitable characteristics you desire.
Would this sorta be along the lines of if I started something called survive and advance gardening. Basically landracing but more about perennial root zone regrow to practices and not as much about the seed quality and more about root rhizomes bulb and cutting for propagation. Sorry if it’s redundant I have footage I need to get of my stuff after a hard freeze and how I expect all to come back solely from the root energy below the mulch layer. Anyways I’m at work and didn’t want to forget to post and ask!! Awesome stuff and love the guest I’ve watched a lot about him as well
Great information. Thank you for sharing. Now I am interested in tomato's with new special taste and in watermelons with fruity flavor. I am not sure if you know this channel SkillCult it is about growing different new varieties of apples.
P.s. Greg Schoen planted some older rainbow corn, on the eclipse, every seed germinated, it showed its origins as some was smaller kernals. Saved every one!
So when buying seeds would you recommend specific types for doing this method? Hybrid, organic, heirloom? Does it matter? How do you know if they're cross-pollinating?
This was so interesting! I'm totally checking out the seed site, and I'm inspired to give this a try. I like to save seed and did this year.... I'm thinking about how to find fellow gardeners I might exchange seed with. 😁
I've been living without electricity for around 2 years now and definitely facing some challenges with food and seed storage due to extreme ends of heat/cold...any links, books, or advice on primitive/indigenous seed saving techniques one could share? I'm doing more saving, storing, and gardening than ever before in my life, living this way but could use some pointers. Thank goodness for glass jars, as mice and insects were destroying the seeds for a while but figuring things out :) I'm thinking root cellar 6' deep...Northern Kentucky climate - frozen winters and blistering summers. I love you Joseph and David ❤😊
The two things that destroy seeds are moisture and heat. Keeping them in jars is a good idea. Even better, add silica gel packets. Keep them someplace cool.
stephen barstow have a nice food garden up in trondheim orway, (63"north)he also looks after a allium garden called chicago, in trondheim, with 400 types\vareietys. he have a few yt vids. tanks for a great video
@davidthegood it's a method of depriving freshly germinated seed of nutrients for a period of time, giving them just enough to stay alive. This encourages deeper tap roots and more abundant side roots resulting in a much hardier and more productive adult plant... especially perennials.
@davidthegood That was my first thought but I agree with the OP if they said self life rather than taste. Not that I would be correct it’s just what I believe.
We had some Maryjane in the 90s adapted to winter temperatures in north Louisiana. It was a skunky purple variety from a mountain region in Afghanistan. It was planted in the fall, lived through winter like mustard greens and budded in spring. Thanks to tyranny the strain is now gone.
People who say "have you lived in a village for 20 years?" Are the same ones who say dumb stuff like "I live in zone 8b when should I start my ______?" In an annual gardens when zones do not matter because it's all about first and last frost dates and what your temps are doing. Because 8b western WA is different than 8b North Carolina.
I know more non gardeners with awesome seed grown trees than i do gardeners. Gardeners are stuck on the true to seed bs while regular homeowners love eating from the tree from the random seeds they planted in the kitchen window.
I have seen so much nitrogen fixing notuals on tomatos, the key is however you have to have them from seed because the seeds can incoulate in the soil and it doesnt matter the hybrid or anything.
Wait I was wrong the tomato’s were a hybreeed with Everglades tomato’s. I remember they became so beautiful because they were a second generation hybreed with the store cherry tomato’s and the Everglades tomato’s.
Here’s an example of indoor horticulture. That might shed some light… controlled environment through all aspects … And will forgo “technical terms or talking in tongues so people aren’t confused” So if you get the same variety of cannabis seeds, 1000 seeds, there are only gonna be usually about eight plants that are genetically… Considered “bangers“ these are used as mom‘s for future propagation. They are all grown under the same conditions. So I wouldn’t say it’s the “ecosystem“ as the blamed factor. You have a flower, that later on produces a pod with 700 Seeds. Said flower has multiple points of pollination. So if only 50 sites are pollinated, the flower closes up 50 seeds are viable. The other 650 aren’t think of it that way A plant can produce more genetic variations than a human being. So a plant grown in a certain environment can express certain genetic variations. But pollination viability and number of sites pollinated is also a factor. Genetic variation can be expressed through many different variables. Standby I’m putting my content together to provide clarity.
I am saving Everglades tomato seeds here in Interlachen (Putnam County). I am willing to share with anyone near by. I will have Interlachen mutt pepper as early as next season. In spring I will likely have surplus seedlings. Likely the peppers will be hot but not sure how hot. Eventually I want to start a local seed bank to share locally or donate to someone local who starts a seed store.
For a lot more exclusive content and help with your gardening and food forest projects, join our community here: www.skool.com/the-survival-gardener
Thank you, members, for making this presentation possible!
You can join for a week for free and check out the videos - it's a great resource.
And get Landrace Gardening here: amzn.to/3ZAuvk6
love it, u have just made me feel so much better about my chaotic messy natural garden, loads of stuff grows in there, chard, tomato, loofah, butternut squash, dandelions, cucumbers self seed regularly
Now THAT was a different sort of gardening video. So interesting! Thank you both! 👍👍
For those in the Central Texas area, there is a small seed company called Brim Seed Company growing their own seed, "southern adapted" to local conditions. Shout out to them!
Thank you for this information. Been growing for 3 years here in North Houston and it has been brutal but I am slowly collecting strong seeds and I have tomato plants right now producing even when we are hitting 30 degree temps at night and 70-80 during the day. Going to keep these plants going as long as I can to see how long they last. I overhead water everything with zero commercial or store bought fertilizers.
@koietsu It's crazy...my Cherokee Purples are knocj8ng themselves out, probably ripening the earliest ones around NewYears if I can keep them from freezing.
@@koietsumy sweet100s little cherry tomatoes in pots on the porch started growing like crazy and covered with blooms and little green maters at New Years. Brought them in for the week of lows of 20 and teens. See how long I can keep them going and get those green ones to ripen.😁
I bought a burpee sun gold tomato at Home Depot years ago. It liked my yard so much those tomatoes volunteer every year. As long as I don’t get sued, they’re still really good.
We just had a freeze in South Georgia last week but today it’s 78 degrees so I’m weeding and cutting back the frost damaged plants and shoveling wood chips. Still in Mid December! I harvested a bunch of peppers in. My greenhouse this morning. I have tomatoes forming in another greenhouse. My ginger in the greenhouse didn’t even die back. I’m thrilled but man…. It’s a lot of work. I get days here and there of brakes from the garden but not months! lol!
‘Save Seeds n Grow Stuff’
If you don’t use that book title, I will !
Good stuff! I love how we are all coming to similar conclusions and giving it different names. I have similar objectives but I call it chaos gardening
Thank you.
I am with you guys. Plant, grow, compost what does not make it, build more soil, repeat. Easy, nearly free, fun, rewarding. 😊😊😊
I once saw a tomato growing up out of a storm sewer grate that had roots about 10 feet under the road.
Very cool.
Wish more people were working with avocados to make them more cold hardy
I germinate haas avocado seeds and grow them unprotected in zone 9a. I can’t claim to be a great or successful gardener/Nurssry/Orchard guy but I am testing seed grown tropicals for cold hardiness. If I am ever successful and end up with something cold hardy that tastes good I will be giving away cuttings/scions to any nursery folks who want to get them out to customers. Hopefully I move them to zone 8b for someone to push them further. Maybe a mango or avocado survive a cold winter here. All of them survived the 30 degree night but they were close to the greenhouse which radiates heat. It was cold enough to partially damage Cassava and Chaya.
I want to see more people start fruits from seed and cold test them and connect with gardeners and nursery folks in the next coldest zone.
hey - yall 2 should get together & throw caution to the... cold.
Try the cold hardy in zone 8a Mexican Avocado variety. Millennial Gardener did a video about it.
@@johnliberty3647 cold hardy avocados, awsome! 😍😁 I’m here in the row to push it further when they reach zone 7b… 😂 at least we have enough water and hot summers! 🤷♀️🤩
Yes, I watched that an no others. Would be nice to get one even hardier though. Smaller fruit okay by me.
To avert potential disaster, I always keep half of whatever seed I'm planting. That way if it fails I can replant or use the next year as backup, and then only plant half of the backups.
Always mark and date the seeds you save.
I really enjoyed listening to this conversation. It brought lots of joy and opened up possibilities in my mind.
Adaptation Agriculture ahhh yesss
In gardening when it counts Steve Solomon said he bred the terminator gene out of brassicas in one generation of crossing with another variety.
Everglades tomato is a weed in my landscape, just made a short about me and my son foraging for them!
Great ground cover. If I need to remove some I cut them with the berries attached and mulch them into an area where I want them to seed.
I love when a growing philosophy gels so well with what my garden instincts tell me through experience! This is a better way of saying what I usually just call "chuck it in and see, only the resilient survive in my lazy garden; and when they do, they usually hang around on their own" when people ask me. Have been watching you for years mate, now doing research for my own little vids and was delighted to find this one! Thanks both of you and hi from Oz 😊
Seedling peaches in my experience grow like crazy! It's awesome
They do!
Yep the best peaches i have are from a guy that was like, “You want some peach trees? They came from seeds just dumped out here.” Best choice of peaches Ive made. I just wish it didn’t take so long for fruit trees to get fruit from
@@CrossroadToCountry Faster than chestnuts or hickories, LOL
Have a plum seed that sprouted a few days ago and am looking forward to it
Yep, the best flavored peaches ever, made great peach wine vinegar. But, nothing would eat the leaves
Who knew DTG owned a sportscoat?
What a great interaction between the two of you! Loved it! Adaptation Gardening is the key not only to have great survival gardening products but also the only way to preserve food biodiversity!
I got a blue Hubbard squash that seemed to have crossed w a Sweet Dumpling. It was green and white striped, football shape and size - and sweet sweet sweet. Those tiny sweet dumplings crossed with anything that was willing. I thought I had done it All Wrong. Ordered the book. Can’t wait!! Thx!!
Fantastic. Definetly going to start practicing this style of gardening. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.
Awesome video, David. I purchased and binge read his book after seeing your previous video. Thank you very much for sharing.
Wow that's pretty cool. Im a fan of landrace. Thank you for doing this interview.
Thank you
Thanks to you, David, I have his book. And I grew cucumbers and soup beans for them from seeds I got from Going to seed a couple of years ago. I think I'll read the book again. Good to see both of you!
This past season was year 3 on my adaptive corn patch. The variety in the corn patch was crazy. The most interesting is sweet corn type kernels with flecks of purple. They kinda look like jelly beans. I'm going to try them in a different plot to see if that trait carries through the next generation. Great talk, I did a search a few days ago to see if Joseph had any new talks up. Thank you both
I've never heard of Joseph. the day before yesterday he liked my permie post and then today I see you with him wow what are the chances of that😅😂. Great podcast btw!
Wow, what a coincedence! I was just looking through my book wishlist and found that “Landrace gardening” book, what I put there because you mentioned it in another video… and trying to find out, what that is…. It’s even worse, when you try to find a propper translation to german! 😳🙈 and now… here it is: “Adaptive gardening” … have only heard the first 20 minutes, but it’s already soooo interesting! Thank you! 🙏🏻 Just ordered the book! 😁🙃
One day when My wife and I got to church right in front of where we parked was a single 10-in stem with a ping pong ball sized tomato that was bright red on it. We left it there and went inside. What I failed to mention is that we had been going through about a month or two drought and it was the middle of a Florida 9B summer. Next week it was gone. I kick myself everyday for not taking that tomato and saving the seeds.
I really want to grow watermelons! It's never worked out. Next year is gonna be the year I harvest a watermelon.
The old fashioned big varieties are easiest. Last year I grew Sangeria for the first time. They are heavy feeders, want lots of water and direct sunshine. That's it. This year I am planting more. In the middle of each hill of seeds I will drive down a T post, and install a tree watering bag. It will slowly leak 15 gallons of water over several days.
Try Moon & Stars variety if you can find it. We had success with it last year, and I live in an area where they are super hard to grow.
I added his book to my library back in 2022. Was hoping to read and put some of it to practice by now.
Such a good lesson. I'm using both of your garden "stuff" and my everglade tomatoes are running wild! Along with cilantro and a basil and zinnias, totally awsome. Were a small legit homestead in Central TX, zone 8a. Crazy heat, no rain then flood. Have been adapting seed for 11 years, nature knows best! All the best to you both.
That convo about his customers buying because of taste is golden. Great interview, David!
I've been planting Ireland Creek Annie and Beka Brown beans for years, saving my own seed. This year my garden was taken over by a new kind of bean that I assume is a hybrid of the two, but this bean was a pole climber, not a bush bean like its ancestors. I assume it mingled with the green beans on the other side of the garden. It was extremely prolific and grew so strongly that it pulled down the sorghum and sunflowers it climbed up. I haven't tasted it yet, but I'm hopeful! I'll be interested to see what emerges when I plant the hybrids next year.
I saved seeds from Broadleaf Mustard that survived the biggest drought and worst heatwave we`ve ever had in Louisiana that grew in poor soil amid a jungle of cow pea varieties through spring, summer, winter and through another spring for over a year. The seeds I saved have done much better than the parent seeds and will grow anywhere they fall and they`re very vigorous plants. I`m gonna save seeds next spring from ones growing side by side with red Japanese mustard which is far less vigorous here.
I’m in Lafayette! Are you nearby? I’d love to trade some stuff. 😃
@@kickfitlafayette8119 I`m up above Alexandria out in the boondocks.
That is amazing. I wonder how well they would work out here in Texas.
Reminds me of The Natural Way of Farming by Masanobu Fukuoka
Thank you for publishing this!! I love seeing two of my favorite gardeners in the same video
.Tomatoes grow like weeds here. If you eat store bought tomatoes and use compost toilet waste in your backyard you can end up with some interesting results. Last season a tomato plant popped up that was very vigorous and whilst the fruit was rather small and average tasting when I picked the fruit it was able to stay fresh on my windowsill for over 3 months! I definitely saved the seeds of that one for planting later.
Wonderful interview, by two of my favorite people :)
Great discussion with Joseph. Thanks David!
This is one of those ideas/topics that has never come into my mind! Extremely exciting and eye opening!!
Thank you. Joseph is brilliant.
Absolutely loved the whole video! Definitely still looking for ube bulbils for our site in PR
David, have you tried Cape Gooseberry/Golden Berry? They`re related to Ground Cherries but grow as a perennial in the South if care is taken to overwinter the main stem with mulching. The fruits on mine were devoured by something that left a hole in the husk and a pile of frass inside. They set fruit best in cooler temperatures and are so delicious. If planted in early spring they begin fruiting heavily in late fall and the next spring.
I have had them show up on accident. Planted a few on purpose, but didn't get anything.
I have landraced lunchbox peppers. I'm currently getting banana pepper sized fruits. Will be interesting to see what
next years planting of this years seeds will produce. I had bell and lunchbox planted together, each season.
The bells produce little.
Excellent, excellent, excellent -I am sold on this approach. Ray Delbury Sussex County NJ
David , I signed up for his course. Completed it. It was great . Learned a lot
I live where not many plants choose to live but there is always something that makes it.
What is interesting to me is how nothing grows when the package says it will grow. It is December 9th and we have had a few frosts. My tomatoes are coming in to fruit. I don't know if they will ripen; but, what if they do?
Awesome, I've been missing his podcast, even though he's not normally on it... So it's good to get this interview.
The darn algorithm kept me busy till now. I support your remarkable convictions. Wish I could do more. I plan to binge on a bunch of your videos as soon as I can get down to it. Thanks for what you do!
Fantastic video DTG. Thank you.❤
Glad you guys did this, really enjoyed your episode of Going to Seed!
Thank you
Great interview! This is such an important topic to be discussing and promoting …
When I was a kid on the farm, we grew for a garden stand, some summer squash seed we had was crossed with hard-shelled gourds and inedible, tossed those.
That was a great interview thanks so much David!!!
It is gardening through natural selection. I do that with my goat herd. Just as David mentioned about the sheep farm.
This was amazing, my mind is racing with ideas. When I lived in upstate SC. I grew gourdseed corn. 2 packs of Texas gourdseed from which I saved a few seeds from the best ears. Then bought 1 pack of Virginia gourdseed. Did the same thing and next year bought a pack of Cherokee Gourdseed. I did it to maintain genetic diversity, and it was fun.
Your presentation just gave us permission to save seeds from a hybrid tomato that I like and see what happens. That’s great!
What hybrid tomato do you like?
@ I grow several but Celebrity and Bella Rosa do well here where I live in zone 9.
Thank you. Fascinating.
I have some local organic sweetcorn seed. Untreated seed I bought in 2017 and keep seed in my deepfreeze and still get nearly 100% germination.
Great interview! I watched some videos about Mr Lofthouse when you first mentioned him years ago, but I have not much space to play with now...but I do save my seeds, and they have done okay, mostly. Thanks!!
This was so fantastic and gives me a lot to consider. Please also do one of these with Steve Solomon. Gardening when it counts is still my favorite and im always wanting to know more details on things in it. Especially how garden with hand tools (double digging) i habe read his books and am constantly checking to see if he has made a new one or rewritten any of his old ones you have been publishing. Keep up the good work.
Wow, missed the Goodstream .....again but so enjoying and learning more about gardening from your guest, Joseph Lofthouse, when the Goodstream began I had gotten up to go to the bathroom and when I heard Joseph speak, I thought David has D.J. Moore, native Coloradoran from the western slope, but I'm seeing here accents are similar between Utahns and Coloradorans. 😁
Going to Seed has boosted my garden with so many species i thought i couldn't grow in my poor conditions, it's wild! The strangest things happen, from far north and south, plants suddenly grow and produce that never wanted to work, because they were bred over years in super extreme climates, they're having a breeze where i'm living. And the colors and variety makes it even more attractive. We as gardeners were let down by industry. Adaptation gardening takes the power back! People on marginal grounds and differing impossible climates team up to make crops grow everywhere, stronger, healhier and more resistant to whatever the ecosystem throws at us.
I am definitely a garden geek and lover of mother earth. I'm so engaged in your channel and yes have joined the scool. Wonderful interview, just common sense fun. I have found my peops! It just doesn't have to be that hard!! Yeahh .. Thank you for your joyful spirit and inspiration.
Thank you - glad you are here.
That was amazing!
the best guest since dr pinkington!
kinda funny how you described the tomatoes issue ...we also have a similar situation with the sungold cherry tomatoes. I gotta say though, those tomatoes are so darn good, love the flavor..probably my favorite.
Fascinating and informative chat.
On other gardening forum I bring up Mr Lofthouse when people get overly preachy about non hybrid seeds and preventing cross pollination. I tell them I intentionally cross anything and everything.
I want more people to find out what Mr Lofthouse is doing so we can all make seeds adapted to our environment.
As far as GMO pollination goes, Even though it didn’t happen naturally I see GMO as a mutation and if it was meant to carry on its genes naturally then it was meant to be carried on.
People love to get hung up on anything that might discourage people from trying. Just try it!
I'm in Chihuahua,, Mexico, brittle dry lands on a high altitude plateau. Winter squash: all the hard skinned ones were smaller and they all started to rot near spring. The soft skinned green and white striped Hindenburgs, the size of a wheel barrow, would stay in perfect conditions into the middle of summer. I'm not interested in the hard skinned ones either unless I'm making a painted container as a present.
Sheffield's seeds gives the origin of the seeds.
Ty… glad u mentioned this!
Yay! To food forests!
We call it “stress-training.” Put the plants under “controlled” stressful conditions and let it naturally figure out how to survive. Those that die, clearly are weak… and those that thrive typically have the suitable characteristics you desire.
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Would this sorta be along the lines of if I started something called survive and advance gardening. Basically landracing but more about perennial root zone regrow to practices and not as much about the seed quality and more about root rhizomes bulb and cutting for propagation. Sorry if it’s redundant I have footage I need to get of my stuff after a hard freeze and how I expect all to come back solely from the root energy below the mulch layer. Anyways I’m at work and didn’t want to forget to post and ask!! Awesome stuff and love the guest I’ve watched a lot about him as well
Great interview! I've learned a lot about this on Permies but I love getting longform video content like this. Please do more interviews. :)
Great information. Thank you for sharing. Now I am interested in tomato's with new special taste and in watermelons with fruity flavor. I am not sure if you know this channel SkillCult it is about growing different new varieties of apples.
Yes - he is a friend of mine. Very sharp guy.
Joe Lofthouse is an idol of mine
Great stuff! Really enjoyed this, thank you. 🙌
P.s. Greg Schoen planted some older rainbow corn, on the eclipse, every seed germinated, it showed its origins as some was smaller kernals. Saved every one!
So when buying seeds would you recommend specific types for doing this method? Hybrid, organic, heirloom? Does it matter? How do you know if they're cross-pollinating?
Thank you this is brilliant!
This was so interesting! I'm totally checking out the seed site, and I'm inspired to give this a try. I like to save seed and did this year.... I'm thinking about how to find fellow gardeners I might exchange seed with. 😁
I've been living without electricity for around 2 years now and definitely facing some challenges with food and seed storage due to extreme ends of heat/cold...any links, books, or advice on primitive/indigenous seed saving techniques one could share? I'm doing more saving, storing, and gardening than ever before in my life, living this way but could use some pointers. Thank goodness for glass jars, as mice and insects were destroying the seeds for a while but figuring things out :) I'm thinking root cellar 6' deep...Northern Kentucky climate - frozen winters and blistering summers. I love you Joseph and David ❤😊
The two things that destroy seeds are moisture and heat. Keeping them in jars is a good idea. Even better, add silica gel packets. Keep them someplace cool.
Very cinematic video. Felt like I was there.
For some reason, YT cut the top and bottom bars off.
58:35 Possibly bilberry?
stephen barstow have a nice food garden up in trondheim
orway, (63"north)he also looks after a allium garden called chicago, in trondheim, with 400 types\vareietys. he have a few yt vids. tanks for a great video
Stefan Sobkowiak did a program within the past year on "seed programming". Wondering if you've experiment on this technique (??).
I am not sure what he means by that, but I like his work. Have not seen it.
@davidthegood it's a method of depriving freshly germinated seed of nutrients for a period of time, giving them just enough to stay alive. This encourages deeper tap roots and more abundant side roots resulting in a much hardier and more productive adult plant... especially perennials.
@@melodyscamman244 I've seen that video. It makes lots of sense. I love Stefan and his methods.
Fedco is transparent about where the seeds come from. They are from Maine.
I thought "race" was like a foot race, like a race between the plants. 😂
19:28 I heard, people just growing for taste (& looks) is why our foods are less nutrient dense...
On the other hand, better flavor can also mean higher nutrient levels.
@davidthegood That was my first thought but I agree with the OP if they said self life rather than taste. Not that I would be correct it’s just what I believe.
We had some Maryjane in the 90s adapted to winter temperatures in north Louisiana. It was a skunky purple variety from a mountain region in Afghanistan. It was planted in the fall, lived through winter like mustard greens and budded in spring. Thanks to tyranny the strain is now gone.
People who say "have you lived in a village for 20 years?" Are the same ones who say dumb stuff like "I live in zone 8b when should I start my ______?" In an annual gardens when zones do not matter because it's all about first and last frost dates and what your temps are doing. Because 8b western WA is different than 8b North Carolina.
I know more non gardeners with awesome seed grown trees than i do gardeners. Gardeners are stuck on the true to seed bs while regular homeowners love eating from the tree from the random seeds they planted in the kitchen window.
Good point. Many gardeners are rules followers!
I have seen so much nitrogen fixing notuals on tomatos, the key is however you have to have them from seed because the seeds can incoulate in the soil and it doesnt matter the hybrid or anything.
Often, the nodules on tomatoes are nematode damage.
Wait I was wrong the tomato’s were a hybreeed with Everglades tomato’s. I remember they became so beautiful because they were a second generation hybreed with the store cherry tomato’s and the Everglades tomato’s.
Is there much difference between the editions on amazon?
It is not so much the cold as wet feet they absolutely can’t cope with wet roots
If it thrives keep it. it it fails compost it and feed it to your thriving plants
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Here’s an example of indoor horticulture. That might shed some light… controlled environment through all aspects …
And will forgo “technical terms or talking in tongues so people aren’t confused”
So if you get the same variety of cannabis seeds, 1000 seeds, there are only gonna be usually about eight plants that are genetically… Considered “bangers“ these are used as mom‘s for future propagation.
They are all grown under the same conditions. So I wouldn’t say it’s the “ecosystem“ as the blamed factor.
You have a flower, that later on produces a pod with 700 Seeds. Said flower has multiple points of pollination. So if only 50 sites are pollinated, the flower closes up 50 seeds are viable. The other 650 aren’t
think of it that way
A plant can produce more genetic variations than a human being. So a plant grown in a certain environment can express certain genetic variations. But pollination viability and number of sites pollinated is also a factor.
Genetic variation can be expressed through many different variables. Standby I’m putting my content together to provide clarity.
Joseph looks like John Stewart. Is that just me?
Huh
Maybe this explains the mystery driveway squash no one could identify 😂
I need seeds that are adopted to N Florida
I am saving Everglades tomato seeds here in Interlachen (Putnam County). I am willing to share with anyone near by. I will have Interlachen mutt pepper as early as next season. In spring I will likely have surplus seedlings. Likely the peppers will be hot but not sure how hot. Eventually I want to start a local seed bank to share locally or donate to someone local who starts a seed store.
This is how you get them!