I think it’s reassuring that they are not satisfied about just winning and analysing an discussing things it’s the sign of a winning mentality team. so long as the mutual respect remains 🙏🏿
Yeah i think people’s opinions on Dojo atm are super overblown. I get people’s opinion on Dezign, it’s valid, however… Give Dezign some time, he has not been playing the game. He’s not raging atm and he is trying to find his place in the team. And for this team to have such high highs already, with ping issues+other issues are good signs. Just need to work on comms and make sure they intergrate everyone well/get synergy. Hopefully it all will come together with some more time
This DOJO shit is getting blown out of proportion. They’re a new team figuring it out and talking it out. There’s just a lot of eyes on them right now.
Is it reallt a new team though? Its just Timmy and Dez again with a newly added gen. Not very new of a team. Dez and timmy struggle together its known. Timmy split from dojo and killed it with moist. So far its showing theyre still not a good fit together. It happens
@@givon2370 listen im a huge dez fan, idk what you watched before hand to think they were doing better than when Timmy joined moist lol. Lately before the switch they very clearly had been struggling together. You saw it in scrims. You saw it in pro league.
@@BD-zs5zd yes the meta changed and they started to do bad, but they were one of the best teams when they played together, moist shit the bed on lans. Dez on lan is insane
The issue isnt Apex, its the fact that any org can just jump in for a split and dip out whenever they want. The fact that an Org doesnt have to sign any type of contract to be a part of ESports and can just leave and drop teams as they see fit is the issue. Its toxic for the sport and its toxic for the players they sponsor. Why would anyone want to do this if they dont know if theyll have a job after a few months? Its stupid. Until there are lasting agreements or some sort of CBA, ESports will never be a serious endeavor and shouldnt be.
This game has only ever been fun when i've played consistently for at least a week or 2, but for the past year and some change, the game hasn't been worth playing more than 30 min. Esports issues is just a result of poor management from EA. The value is there but they are too comfortable with Apex as it is and aren't going to invest in building the game up until the have officially profited as much as they can.
terrible terrible terrible gaming servers. A free to play game that charges masses for skins, deathboxes, and cant remake their servers to keep up with frame rate and connectivity.
I will say, i personally like it when i have a teammate who says comms like "switch off!" or "you're getting low!" Sometimes in the heat of the moment you need that, so i get Dezign
It’s funny we’re seeing the opposite end of what happens when an Org doesn’t have incentive to stay. The COD league literally makes teams spend millions to even be a part of the esport, so of course they’re going to stay because they have stake in the game. This is quite the opposite where orgs can pick and choose who they want and dip, saving them money on teams while holding onto whatever potential clout they get for having a winning team. There needs to be a balance and incentive to keep orgs here in Apex.
It's like watching paint dry on a wall, but numbers have been down, and content has been stale. All my friends who used to play just hopped onto something else. Yeah, people have been saying this for years, but there are noticeable changes proving that the game is slowly descending from its former glory.
Well this time the numbers actually show lol it’s actually happening. Nobody I know plays this game anymore I haven’t played in a while coz I just have nobody that plays , groups and friends. It’s a damn shame.
It’s been dying? Yes it’s a very slow death and if you can’t see that then you’re being delusional the game is slowly dying and becoming a money grab. There not fixing anything the viewers have gone down hill on a decline the past 2 years so yes it is dying
@@huhsaywhat Not really lol, go back to 2021 and start watching month by month. Always same things exactly.. Up, down, up, down and base is still pretty much the same, maybe little less but saying it's dying is absurd:D Game is almost 6 years old, people get burnt out and bash the game. You think u play warzone, pubg, fortnite 6 years straight that game feels fresh and good?:D
Orgs spend their time trying to work out how to squeeze as much clout out of an industry that isn't inheritantly profitable rather than spend their time actually looking at how to truly make it profitable.
I agree the lack of content sucks in this game but I truly believe that's not the core issue it's the matchmaking it's the cheaters it's the Dev's not able to care because of the running company. I've been playing some season 3 religiously and I'm about to uninstall after my trip to Tennessee consoles got mad games coming to it off the grid is coming on the beta frag punk valorant it's just not worth it anymore to suffer I play a couple of games and then I'm done not like it was 😭
I mean it wouldnt look as bad if this wasnt the second time this year they dropped a team lol. Its pretty obvious they used tripods for ewc money then dropped em afterwards
I swear to god if furia leaves imma be sooo pissed omggg😭😭😭 also I can’t believe hiswattson is getting cut that’s sooo freaking sad😭😭😭 He’s the goat content creator!🔥
Changing my opinion after re watching the clip. I don't think there's anything wrong with dojo if anything they are just starting to get better as a team and design is going to realize that he isnt dealing with just bad teammates like in the past. Simple he's got to adapt and catch the train with his teammates or he'll get left behind.
At this point I don’t think anything can save this game. You’re a great content creator for apex, I hope u move onto something else sooner than later. At this point apex news is depressing. It’s a shell of what it used to be.
Meh, making moutains out of mole hills. Love and learn from amy situation. That had god spot and the plan was simple, to make sure noone came up and they had to fight each other. Yeh comms got complicated, design prolly just had to quite a bit and trsut the process, but it happens, theyll learn.
Apex was the most watched e-sport event in the world during ewc, so there is definitely more interest from investors and orgs in the pro scene. But usually, when something like this happens, the team just wants a do-over. Pretty sure Furia will be back, with a new team and roster Also, popularity is dying a quicker death for the average day to day viewer/player, because the pros themselves constantly berate the game, or just dont play anymore. Viewers are still here though, which is why smaller streamers have been blowing up during the pros time off. (Enoch, etc.)
I don't watch because constant moaning about the game. Besides i don't like to watch 3 controller pro's aim assisting thru the ranked lobby, shit is boring to watch.
@@TheN2pster yeah every new season players find something new to complain about. Either a new legend being to strong, or a weapon - it’s a never ending story lol which is why it’s hard for devs to take player complaints seriously
its pretty obvi that watson milked the org. put on keon just bc he is friends with him. left the pro scene bc he doesnt really want to be a pro or try in general. and probably didnt want to play with madn es. furia finally figured out these kids are garbage snakes
You just bad:D Maybe not enough time to play or sum. I run thru lobbies half of the time and other half i get absolutely shit on. Doesn't mean everyone is cheating.
@@TheN2pster could be skillissue sure but ig w 4k on mnk and 2 on Roller u kinda know what feels legit and who has too much Info and who beams too much . Im a not insane but decent like maybe ur elo is just not full of scripters and cheaters . When the anticheat is working once litterally 3-6 players get banned every lobby. And those are the detectable once. Atm the anticheat is legit turned off. Im getting killed by pred 3 stark all lvl 300 and while i watch them they try to learn wallnouncing like mhm.
@@iZleeper Idk, i got i think 10k hours prob bit more..and majority of times i can tell if someone just good or got lucky spray on me:D Same goes for myself, sometimes you just can't miss and next day missing is all you do:D But sure there prob are shit ton macro users/cronus etc.
Man I love playing Apex Legends but they shouldn’t make so many changes in the game. And people not having fun any more, and they need to get rid of all the cheating going on in the game. They had a fake pro team that won a tournament or championship and nobody noticed until the end. Please Apex do something about this I don’t want to stop playing this game.
You see the problem? Players want more and more and others want apex back in simple ways. Can't have both, they are trying to push game forward, is it mistake? Maybe, maybe not. At least they are doing something. And getting rid of all cheating is literally impossible, no game has done it and no game will prob ever do it. All games riddled with cheaters no matter what you play.
I don't like His Watson for the same reason I don't like hal. They have a I am better then you attitude and to too big of an ego. Ya your good at the game but you don't have to be a snob
Does anyone else think its wierd how much time is spent on this channel talking about scrims? Imagine if half of Sportscenter was talking about each teams practices..
Have to think of scrims as "preseason" games. These are especially important as they try Broken Moon, Olympus, and E-District for the first time in competitive.
we are talking about competitive apex legends, an esport, are we not supposed to talk about how these pro teams are competing against eachother and how well they are doing?
Every 2 weeks you guys complain about the game being dead... Yet here we are still discussing it. It really is exhausting to hear all the time. Look at literally any other sport/entertainment field and they take months off 😂
I mean they make entire games for 60 dollars, when they are selling 160 dollar events 500 pack heirlooms cosmetics battle passes they arent hurting for money. They cry poverty and its kind of sickening. The video game industry makes more then the music and movie industries combined. They can update their game the maps destructibilty perhaps, they say we cant figure out how to implement titans into the game due to the maps, hmmm geniuses add a big strip of a map where its like fight night boxing ring but much bigger. Easy but what do i know
Design just needs to shut his mouth and play the game. He’s supposed to be the fragger so go get kills and shut up. Not Designs call to keep going after ppl. This is why everyone hates playing with Design. Just won’t shut up. His call outs should be damage he is doing. That’s it!
I understamd people don't like Design but he did nothing wrong here. They agreed that Design would help Timmy igl until he's more comfortable. They had this game won here by playing it slow on the bridge letting the other teams fight, which is all he was trying to get across to Timmy, who almost threw by falling off the bridge being too aggressive earlier which made him want to emphasize the point even more at the end here.
Design was right in that situation, its end circle, he just calling out dont over extend, if timmy somehow fell or got knocked why they had height it could been bad. Nothing wrong with his callout there. Yall complain over the littlest stuff
@@willspark3242both of his teammates were clearly annoyed by it. You should focus more on what his teammates think than randoms, guarantee Timmy and Gen will get a new third if he’s continually that annoying.
@@IhaveaDoghouse Maybe you should focus on what his teammates think, Gen is annoyed at both for being at odds with the coms. Gen was also clearly annoyed at Timmy "Had 12 kills anyway, this guy wanted 15". "Why was that so hard?" Timmy made the end game more difficult trying for extra kills instead of focusing on the win. They can drop him if they want, but Falcons dropped Gen and noone thinks Gen was to blame.
@@khaleel9508 It's not about this situation per se, but he keeps calling constantly, doesn't let timmy call properly even tho timmy is IGL. Dezign should just call damage and that's it. Unless timmy ask for advice.
KCP probably left because their team didn't qualify for champs and let's be real here most people are not watching anyone on the pro team for Furia outside of ALGS the only person who brings a fan base to that org is Watson and he is a content creator so they more than likely lose money having him signed
I just don't play this game since this boring ass meta of akimbos. You literally can't use any other weapon as secondary bc you're on an disadvantage so boring
@@ramsessanchez2098 That's my point, you don't have to.. It's not like it's impossible to go against them. Yea they are op and annoying but you can still easily go against them with pk/mastiff/car, volt etc. Think they got tiny nerf today also not sure if it was only -2 from mag or damage also.
I think it’s reassuring that they are not satisfied about just winning and analysing an discussing things it’s the sign of a winning mentality team. so long as the mutual respect remains 🙏🏿
Yeah i think people’s opinions on Dojo atm are super overblown. I get people’s opinion on Dezign, it’s valid, however… Give Dezign some time, he has not been playing the game. He’s not raging atm and he is trying to find his place in the team. And for this team to have such high highs already, with ping issues+other issues are good signs. Just need to work on comms and make sure they intergrate everyone well/get synergy. Hopefully it all will come together with some more time
This DOJO shit is getting blown out of proportion. They’re a new team figuring it out and talking it out. There’s just a lot of eyes on them right now.
Is it reallt a new team though? Its just Timmy and Dez again with a newly added gen. Not very new of a team. Dez and timmy struggle together its known. Timmy split from dojo and killed it with moist. So far its showing theyre still not a good fit together. It happens
@@BD-zs5zdconsidering they killed it more on dsg together than moist I'd say your wrong and Timmy and dez did do good tg
@@givon2370 listen im a huge dez fan, idk what you watched before hand to think they were doing better than when Timmy joined moist lol. Lately before the switch they very clearly had been struggling together. You saw it in scrims. You saw it in pro league.
@@BD-zs5zd yes the meta changed and they started to do bad, but they were one of the best teams when they played together, moist shit the bed on lans. Dez on lan is insane
@@BD-zs5zd dez just needs to play the game more again and get his confidence and shooting practice in
The issue isnt Apex, its the fact that any org can just jump in for a split and dip out whenever they want. The fact that an Org doesnt have to sign any type of contract to be a part of ESports and can just leave and drop teams as they see fit is the issue. Its toxic for the sport and its toxic for the players they sponsor. Why would anyone want to do this if they dont know if theyll have a job after a few months? Its stupid. Until there are lasting agreements or some sort of CBA, ESports will never be a serious endeavor and shouldnt be.
you just proved why apex is the issue
one of the reasons i'll never buy merch.
@@rainnslayss it's more of a esports issue as a whole.
Yeah frrr. Sooo sad😭😭😭
This game has only ever been fun when i've played consistently for at least a week or 2, but for the past year and some change, the game hasn't been worth playing more than 30 min.
Esports issues is just a result of poor management from EA. The value is there but they are too comfortable with Apex as it is and aren't going to invest in building the game up until the have officially profited as much as they can.
No it's cheaters on every single platform, and shit matchmaking. It's just not a fun game for solo qrs and casuals.
Ya it's almost impossible to have fun solo Qing in this game. Not even worth booting this game up anymore after all my friends abandoned it
terrible terrible terrible gaming servers. A free to play game that charges masses for skins, deathboxes, and cant remake their servers to keep up with frame rate and connectivity.
Im still enjoying apex. People have been screaming about Apex dying for years now... and its still around.
Just give dojo sometime. It consists of a former igl, a new igl and a player who was igled by the best igl. It will take time but they are doing good
Literally saw a same version of this comment on an earlier video
I honestly don’t think design was outta line there.. and I’m not a huge design fan.
I will say, i personally like it when i have a teammate who says comms like "switch off!" or "you're getting low!" Sometimes in the heat of the moment you need that, so i get Dezign
lol desizn is just overrated
@@ind_passsaber4585 i mean...thats cool...i was just making a point i dont care about players like that
It’s funny we’re seeing the opposite end of what happens when an Org doesn’t have incentive to stay. The COD league literally makes teams spend millions to even be a part of the esport, so of course they’re going to stay because they have stake in the game. This is quite the opposite where orgs can pick and choose who they want and dip, saving them money on teams while holding onto whatever potential clout they get for having a winning team. There needs to be a balance and incentive to keep orgs here in Apex.
People have been saying Apex is dying for literally years
It's like watching paint dry on a wall, but numbers have been down, and content has been stale.
All my friends who used to play just hopped onto something else.
Yeah, people have been saying this for years, but there are noticeable changes proving that the game is slowly descending from its former glory.
This time it is backed by numbers
Well this time the numbers actually show lol it’s actually happening. Nobody I know plays this game anymore I haven’t played in a while coz I just have nobody that plays , groups and friends. It’s a damn shame.
It’s been dying? Yes it’s a very slow death and if you can’t see that then you’re being delusional the game is slowly dying and becoming a money grab. There not fixing anything the viewers have gone down hill on a decline the past 2 years so yes it is dying
@@huhsaywhat Not really lol, go back to 2021 and start watching month by month. Always same things exactly.. Up, down, up, down and base is still pretty much the same, maybe little less but saying it's dying is absurd:D Game is almost 6 years old, people get burnt out and bash the game. You think u play warzone, pubg, fortnite 6 years straight that game feels fresh and good?:D
The DOJO struggles are literally just early growing pains as a new team / new roles etc.. wtf is everyone trippen on 😂😂
Dez wasn’t even bad lol so funny he’s actually being reasonable these days
Orgs spend their time trying to work out how to squeeze as much clout out of an industry that isn't inheritantly profitable rather than spend their time actually looking at how to truly make it profitable.
I agree the lack of content sucks in this game but I truly believe that's not the core issue it's the matchmaking it's the cheaters it's the Dev's not able to care because of the running company. I've been playing some season 3 religiously and I'm about to uninstall after my trip to Tennessee consoles got mad games coming to it off the grid is coming on the beta frag punk valorant it's just not worth it anymore to suffer I play a couple of games and then I'm done not like it was 😭
Much better angle! Love the content. Side note, if apex dies what game are you going to cover?
J Meyels is always on point!
Hope you’re family is well and doesn’t get affected by the hurricane bro 🙏
Yeah timmy shouldnt have dropped so early
To be fair it makes sense that the KCP roster left apex legends, they are not even in pro league anymore
I mean it wouldnt look as bad if this wasnt the second time this year they dropped a team lol. Its pretty obvious they used tripods for ewc money then dropped em afterwards
Theyre still in pro league they just didn't make champs, they have a pro spot in the upcoming split
EA is killing their game 😢
I guess I'll be the only one to say this, but I think that's the best way to play comp apex with those dojo comms
I swear to god if furia leaves imma be sooo pissed omggg😭😭😭 also I can’t believe hiswattson is getting cut that’s sooo freaking sad😭😭😭 He’s the goat content creator!🔥
Who didn't see drama coming with Dezign? Literally everybody saw that coming
Changing my opinion after re watching the clip. I don't think there's anything wrong with dojo if anything they are just starting to get better as a team and design is going to realize that he isnt dealing with just bad teammates like in the past. Simple he's got to adapt and catch the train with his teammates or he'll get left behind.
I play on console and still enjoy the game.
At this point I don’t think anything can save this game. You’re a great content creator for apex, I hope u move onto something else sooner than later. At this point apex news is depressing. It’s a shell of what it used to be.
that camera quality is good tier
im sure dojo will become a high contender for the trophy:)
Meh, making moutains out of mole hills. Love and learn from amy situation. That had god spot and the plan was simple, to make sure noone came up and they had to fight each other. Yeh comms got complicated, design prolly just had to quite a bit and trsut the process, but it happens, theyll learn.
Serious question..... How does an org even make money? Who pays them?
Apex was the most watched e-sport event in the world during ewc, so there is definitely more interest from investors and orgs in the pro scene.
But usually, when something like this happens, the team just wants a do-over. Pretty sure Furia will be back, with a new team and roster
Also, popularity is dying a quicker death for the average day to day viewer/player, because the pros themselves constantly berate the game, or just dont play anymore.
Viewers are still here though, which is why smaller streamers have been blowing up during the pros time off. (Enoch, etc.)
I don't watch because constant moaning about the game. Besides i don't like to watch 3 controller pro's aim assisting thru the ranked lobby, shit is boring to watch.
@@TheN2pster yeah every new season players find something new to complain about. Either a new legend being to strong, or a weapon - it’s a never ending story lol which is why it’s hard for devs to take player complaints seriously
its pretty obvi that watson milked the org. put on keon just bc he is friends with him. left the pro scene bc he doesnt really want to be a pro or try in general. and probably didnt want to play with madn
es. furia finally figured out these kids are garbage snakes
I really dont want to quit the game but ig i have to .
Ranked is actually dead . It feels like half the lobbys has something on
You just bad:D Maybe not enough time to play or sum. I run thru lobbies half of the time and other half i get absolutely shit on. Doesn't mean everyone is cheating.
@@TheN2pster could be skillissue sure but ig w 4k on mnk and 2 on Roller u kinda know what feels legit and who has too much Info and who beams too much . Im a not insane but decent like maybe ur elo is just not full of scripters and cheaters . When the anticheat is working once litterally 3-6 players get banned every lobby. And those are the detectable once. Atm the anticheat is legit turned off.
Im getting killed by pred 3 stark all lvl 300 and while i watch them they try to learn wallnouncing like mhm.
@@iZleeper Idk, i got i think 10k hours prob bit more..and majority of times i can tell if someone just good or got lucky spray on me:D Same goes for myself, sometimes you just can't miss and next day missing is all you do:D But sure there prob are shit ton macro users/cronus etc.
@@TheN2pster whats ur peak rank?
@@iZleeper I've soloQ master 3 times but mostly i just solo diamond and then play pubs/ltm's:) Too old to try pred;D
Hope your family is good Bro
Man I love playing Apex Legends but they shouldn’t make so many changes in the game. And people not having fun any more, and they need to get rid of all the cheating going on in the game. They had a fake pro team that won a tournament or championship and nobody noticed until the end. Please Apex do something about this I don’t want to stop playing this game.
You see the problem? Players want more and more and others want apex back in simple ways. Can't have both, they are trying to push game forward, is it mistake? Maybe, maybe not. At least they are doing something. And getting rid of all cheating is literally impossible, no game has done it and no game will prob ever do it. All games riddled with cheaters no matter what you play.
All this talk about dojo yet they been consistent.
I don't like His Watson for the same reason I don't like hal. They have a I am better then you attitude and to too big of an ego. Ya your good at the game but you don't have to be a snob
I dont like Wattson because he wears kitty ears on his streams. Weird....
Hey bro how are you and your fam doing? Im glad i was early seeing this video.
Does anyone else think its wierd how much time is spent on this channel talking about scrims? Imagine if half of Sportscenter was talking about each teams practices..
Have to think of scrims as "preseason" games. These are especially important as they try Broken Moon, Olympus, and E-District for the first time in competitive.
Scrims are like Preseason games since they aren't practicing with their own org alone. Definitely worthy of discussion
we are talking about competitive apex legends, an esport, are we not supposed to talk about how these pro teams are competing against eachother and how well they are doing?
@@AllHailNannerpuss every single NA team is at a better ping advantage so it doesnt show the best pixture
Not really lol. His channel is an apex channel. When pro league and CC isnt going on obviously hes gonna cover scrims.
It's funny, with all these guys changing teams with the drop of a hat, it's no wonder the popularity is going away. It's their own fault to a degree.
I haven't played apex since season 18 lol
I’m not typically a Dezign fan but I don’t feel like he was counter calling. It felt more of a do what you’re doing but keep in mind your health
Hahaha, KCP took the money and ran?. 😂 All teams should be doing this! Lol
Could have something to do with the success of furia teams in other esports. Apex is dead
Every 2 weeks you guys complain about the game being dead... Yet here we are still discussing it. It really is exhausting to hear all the time. Look at literally any other sport/entertainment field and they take months off 😂
Don't bother, the weird hater side of apex is brain dead.
Dezigns opinions aren’t valid at the mo
I mean they make entire games for 60 dollars, when they are selling 160 dollar events 500 pack heirlooms cosmetics battle passes they arent hurting for money. They cry poverty and its kind of sickening. The video game industry makes more then the music and movie industries combined. They can update their game the maps destructibilty perhaps, they say we cant figure out how to implement titans into the game due to the maps, hmmm geniuses add a big strip of a map where its like fight night boxing ring but much bigger. Easy but what do i know
Bruh if cs can do it apex can they just have to put there all into it
I think the issue is Design wasn't providing any useful information, he was basically just nagging
Ayyy brotha
Can you stop with the ‘is apex dead’ every other week? You’ve been doing this for like a year. It’s getting old.
Why Dezign still trying to IGL, LOL, telling your IGL to play health so many times is weird, Gen was angry for Dezign yapping so much
Design just needs to shut his mouth and play the game. He’s supposed to be the fragger so go get kills and shut up. Not Designs call to keep going after ppl. This is why everyone hates playing with Design. Just won’t shut up. His call outs should be damage he is doing. That’s it!
I understamd people don't like Design but he did nothing wrong here. They agreed that Design would help Timmy igl until he's more comfortable.
They had this game won here by playing it slow on the bridge letting the other teams fight, which is all he was trying to get across to Timmy, who almost threw by falling off the bridge being too aggressive earlier which made him want to emphasize the point even more at the end here.
Design was right in that situation, its end circle, he just calling out dont over extend, if timmy somehow fell or got knocked why they had height it could been bad. Nothing wrong with his callout there. Yall complain over the littlest stuff
@@willspark3242both of his teammates were clearly annoyed by it.
You should focus more on what his teammates think than randoms, guarantee Timmy and Gen will get a new third if he’s continually that annoying.
@@IhaveaDoghouse Maybe you should focus on what his teammates think, Gen is annoyed at both for being at odds with the coms. Gen was also clearly annoyed at Timmy "Had 12 kills anyway, this guy wanted 15". "Why was that so hard?" Timmy made the end game more difficult trying for extra kills instead of focusing on the win.
They can drop him if they want, but Falcons dropped Gen and noone thinks Gen was to blame.
@@khaleel9508 It's not about this situation per se, but he keeps calling constantly, doesn't let timmy call properly even tho timmy is IGL. Dezign should just call damage and that's it. Unless timmy ask for advice.
KCP probably left because their team didn't qualify for champs and let's be real here most people are not watching anyone on the pro team for Furia outside of ALGS the only person who brings a fan base to that org is Watson and he is a content creator so they more than likely lose money having him signed
Ya they just pay him to have a small banner at the bottom of his stream
I just don't play this game since this boring ass meta of akimbos. You literally can't use any other weapon as secondary bc you're on an disadvantage so boring
Yea u can, i use pretty much everything besides akimbos because i suck with them, and i kill majority of akimbo users in the fight.
@@TheN2pster yeah, but when you are on diamond+ everyone is using akimbos
@@ramsessanchez2098 That's my point, you don't have to.. It's not like it's impossible to go against them. Yea they are op and annoying but you can still easily go against them with pk/mastiff/car, volt etc. Think they got tiny nerf today also not sure if it was only -2 from mag or damage also.
Haha karma H&H
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