@@christianjtorres I am new to this so i could be wrong, but this is how i see it: Wordpress - CMS heavy projects (e-commerce for example) Framer - Portfolio or landing pages, projects that need more of a visual stance Webflow - sort of the middle ground, institutional websites for businesses
With Wordpress i would only go for custom theme + gutenberg, and fluent form. Lean as possible. Or if client really insist on it with cms, and selling some stuff or custom implementation. Ecom - Shopify. I use Webflow now for static sites. A great relief not to worry on breaking updates, security etc.
That Framer tab animation is possible in Webflow without custom code - You just have to make the Tab button's background:transparent and add a background button layer the same size as the Tab button and style it how you like to simulate and button. Then add an interaction for 1st click and 2nd click that moves that button background back and forth, changing the text color of the Tab button if you need to. Easy enough with 2 Tabs, it would be more complex with 3 or more and then it would probably be simpler with custom JS, but it works fine for changing a Monthly to Annual pricing comparison Tab.
5:16 110% agree with this. I have a lot of experience in wix studio/editorx, webflow and now i am learning Framer, which is AMAZING btw. The CMS needs to be improved a lot and since CMS is such a big part of websites i would recommend sticking with a more platform developed CMS before you decide to move your, or your clients work over to Framer
I have been a solid webflow user since 2018 and it has been my workhorse since then but I took the Framer master class after having a play with framer and I believe it has its place I have yet to find a project to use it for as most of my projects are in webflow and I would love to use both for different scaling of clients
What I like about Framer, it's intuitive for designers to do complex layouts. what I don't like? delving deep into React + Typescript to create anything outside what Framer can do. What I like about Webflow? it's currently more professional and structured. easy to create some new functionalities with simple JS libraries. no need to learn a framework like React (that is really complex) to build things. regular Javascript will do. and, the CMS is more robust. What I don't like in Webflow? Classes, as a developer I feel that could be a better way to create classes, in CSS you have a variety of useful selectors webflow don't have. like. nesting selectors that I miss so much. and most of the times I need to add embed code inside of the markup to achieve what I have in mind. from a clean code perspective. that's not good at all!.
So, if your or your client's website's CMS needs to scale in future, then you're limiting yourself by using Framer. So marketing landing pages or mini-campaign websites are cool for Framer, otherwise, stick to Webflow and don't cut future revenue off.
Yeah, kind of seems that way. Especially in Framer current state. I can see them evolve and be interesting competitor. Which is always great for pushing new developments. But for now Framer seems to be geared to a smaller and more niche kind of websites.
Hey can someone actually tell me what is the point of Framer if I'm already proficient with Webflow. I've tried Framer, it is definitely more user friendly than Webflow. But is it worth it transitioning from Webflow to Framer considering i'm already good with Webflow?
@Flux Academy and fellow developers, i have doubt regarding low-code/no-code, with webflow and framer can we built full stack applications, if yes can anyone explain a bit, so it would be a great clarity
I want start with Ui Ux, currently planning on buy a laptop, how should I start??? Which software should I learn firstor course should I join. Also thanks for all your help, you've helped me a lot while I was wondering and searching about Designing. ☺️🙌🏽
am one of those people, but the question for everyone might be. what should i learn FIRST.. thats our question. we know if we learn either or first. we will move to the other one.. but what is the app we should learn first. thats my question. cheers
@@FluxAcademy I come from a figma design background. I did learned html and a bit of css but could never wrapped my head around it. That explains why I liked Adobe muse so much 😂. I feel that it was a very good none coding app. It had so much potential to grow but like every good thing Adobe touches it turns into Sht... Adobe XD was a perfect example.. hehehe.
Seems to me that framer would be perfect for custom landingpages and websites with focus on untraditional layouts. But what I also hear a lot is that Framer can’t quite do a lot things needed for traditionels website. For me that is a big red flag in terms of using the platform in its current state. I can’t afford to take a chance with a client only to realize down the lane that the system I(as the expert) choose for them, could not do what they need. And then have to change them over to for example Webflow.
I just don't understand how can agencies charge so much money like $1000/month for even simple and basic sites? Coming from a 3rd world country even $1000 means a fortune to me.
Bc they are charging for their expertise and know their worth. It’s not just setting up a website but taking into consideration UX, design, interactivity, setup, etc. takes a lot of time and knowledge to get done. If it were easy then everyone would do it.
I dont think people pay a monthly fee upwards of 1000$ for a landingpage. There is very limited need for follow up work to be done after the site is launched. But instead they properly pay a greater amount upfront for the website it self. Which is why i can see Framer have a great value proposition for agencies doing custom website experiences
Web design is an obsolete industry. AI, easy DIY tools, cheap global outsourcing, saturated market in general. Go for something in-demand that neither a robot or someone overseas can do or can be easily DIY'd. Let's also not forget the massive tech industry layoffs.
@@JohnSmith-bs9ym Anything that solves a physical problem in which a layperson can't easily DIY or easily be done by robots, and impossible to outsource overseas.
Web design will always be in demand, it just depends on your target clients. For example, for smaller businesses, you could have lot of smaller clients and have consistent income
i currently use Wordpress (with Bricks Builder), Framer and learning Webflow. Each one serves better a different purpose and different clients needs.
100%
When should you use each in your opinion?
@@christianjtorres I am new to this so i could be wrong, but this is how i see it:
Wordpress - CMS heavy projects (e-commerce for example)
Framer - Portfolio or landing pages, projects that need more of a visual stance
Webflow - sort of the middle ground, institutional websites for businesses
With Wordpress i would only go for custom theme + gutenberg, and fluent form. Lean as possible.
Or if client really insist on it with cms, and selling some stuff or custom implementation.
Ecom - Shopify.
I use Webflow now for static sites. A great relief not to worry on breaking updates, security etc.
That Framer tab animation is possible in Webflow without custom code - You just have to make the Tab button's background:transparent and add a background button layer the same size as the Tab button and style it how you like to simulate and button. Then add an interaction for 1st click and 2nd click that moves that button background back and forth, changing the text color of the Tab button if you need to. Easy enough with 2 Tabs, it would be more complex with 3 or more and then it would probably be simpler with custom JS, but it works fine for changing a Monthly to Annual pricing comparison Tab.
The tyranny of the "or", the genius of the "and".
Indeed
Exactly mate
5:16 110% agree with this. I have a lot of experience in wix studio/editorx, webflow and now i am learning Framer, which is AMAZING btw.
The CMS needs to be improved a lot and since CMS is such a big part of websites i would recommend sticking with a more platform developed CMS before you decide to move your, or your clients work over to Framer
I have been a solid webflow user since 2018 and it has been my workhorse since then but I took the Framer master class after having a play with framer and I believe it has its place I have yet to find a project to use it for as most of my projects are in webflow and I would love to use both for different scaling of clients
What I like about Framer, it's intuitive for designers to do complex layouts. what I don't like? delving deep into React + Typescript to create anything outside what Framer can do.
What I like about Webflow? it's currently more professional and structured. easy to create some new functionalities with simple JS libraries. no need to learn a framework like React (that is really complex) to build things. regular Javascript will do. and, the CMS is more robust. What I don't like in Webflow? Classes, as a developer I feel that could be a better way to create classes, in CSS you have a variety of useful selectors webflow don't have. like. nesting selectors that I miss so much. and most of the times I need to add embed code inside of the markup to achieve what I have in mind. from a clean code perspective. that's not good at all!.
Good discussion points. Thanks for contributing. ✌️
@@FluxAcademy You're Welcome :D Thanks!
why dont u use a css library(tailwind bootstrap etc )with corrected classes in your html? sry i dont use webflow
Actually i am so happy to hear Alessia and his feeback ! I think the same about this two tool. Thant Ran to give an audience to this amazing women.
Thank you Florian, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Great questions and clarifications from the both ❤
Glad it was helpful!
Really helpful to chose between Webflow and Framer. I'm a Webflow designer myself and now I'm less reluctant to try Framer for my future clients.
Glad it was helpful!
thank you so much, for this insightful, honest and educational session.highly appreciated for such wisdom and transparency.
So, if your or your client's website's CMS needs to scale in future, then you're limiting yourself by using Framer. So marketing landing pages or mini-campaign websites are cool for Framer, otherwise, stick to Webflow and don't cut future revenue off.
Yeah, kind of seems that way. Especially in Framer current state. I can see them evolve and be interesting competitor. Which is always great for pushing new developments. But for now Framer seems to be geared to a smaller and more niche kind of websites.
So what should I learn ?
Love the DISECTION RON…✅✅✅
I find the land marketing page easier in framer, but proper structure website webflow feels better
Great conversation
BIG fan of you ............learn a lot
Hey can someone actually tell me what is the point of Framer if I'm already proficient with Webflow. I've tried Framer, it is definitely more user friendly than Webflow. But is it worth it transitioning from Webflow to Framer considering i'm already good with Webflow?
@Flux Academy and fellow developers, i have doubt regarding low-code/no-code, with webflow and framer can we built full stack applications, if yes can anyone explain a bit, so it would be a great clarity
Huge fan Ran 💯✌
Good conversation.
I want start with Ui Ux, currently planning on buy a laptop, how should I start??? Which software should I learn firstor course should I join.
Also thanks for all your help, you've helped me a lot while I was wondering and searching about Designing. ☺️🙌🏽
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@@FluxAcademy thanksbro 😊✌🏽
Y Code website builder has native CMS collection filter option. Whereas in Webflow we have to rely on finsweet attributes.
So much Framer vs Webflow content. Why not both?
Should I use framer to build my web agency website ?
am one of those people, but the question for everyone might be. what should i learn FIRST.. thats our question. we know if we learn either or first. we will move to the other one.. but what is the app we should learn first. thats my question. cheers
I think that if you come from design/Figma you might find Framer easier. If you’re familiar with HTML/CSS you will find Webflow easier
@@FluxAcademy I come from a figma design background. I did learned html and a bit of css but could never wrapped my head around it. That explains why I liked Adobe muse so much 😂. I feel that it was a very good none coding app. It had so much potential to grow but like every good thing Adobe touches it turns into Sht... Adobe XD was a perfect example.. hehehe.
have any body build a project using both WF and Framer at the same time ?
How about the back end
I look at this now, and realize that Framer's CMS has more functionality and variables
Seems to me that framer would be perfect for custom landingpages and websites with focus on untraditional layouts.
But what I also hear a lot is that Framer can’t quite do a lot things needed for traditionels website. For me that is a big red flag in terms of using the platform in its current state. I can’t afford to take a chance with a client only to realize down the lane that the system I(as the expert) choose for them, could not do what they need. And then have to change them over to for example Webflow.
I just don't understand how can agencies charge so much money like $1000/month for even simple and basic sites? Coming from a 3rd world country even $1000 means a fortune to me.
Different economies bro
Bc they are charging for their expertise and know their worth. It’s not just setting up a website but taking into consideration UX, design, interactivity, setup, etc. takes a lot of time and knowledge to get done. If it were easy then everyone would do it.
I dont think people pay a monthly fee upwards of 1000$ for a landingpage. There is very limited need for follow up work to be done after the site is launched. But instead they properly pay a greater amount upfront for the website it self. Which is why i can see Framer have a great value proposition for agencies doing custom website experiences
Web design is an obsolete industry. AI, easy DIY tools, cheap global outsourcing, saturated market in general. Go for something in-demand that neither a robot or someone overseas can do or can be easily DIY'd. Let's also not forget the massive tech industry layoffs.
Any suggestions?
@@JohnSmith-bs9ym Anything that solves a physical problem in which a layperson can't easily DIY or easily be done by robots, and impossible to outsource overseas.
@@ytuberf117a Like specific examples? Do you mean car mechanics, carpentry, etc?
Web design will always be in demand, it just depends on your target clients. For example, for smaller businesses, you could have lot of smaller clients and have consistent income