Kaye and Jane do not agree about who is to blame for child obesity - Loose Women - 8th March 2019
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- The debate gets rather heated! Kaye Adams gets very offended at Jane Moore as they discuss if parents are to blame for children being obese. Andrea McLean then gets annoyed too because they speak over her. Broadcast Friday 8th March 2019.
Jane is spot on - a child under 10 shouldn’t be walking past shops or food stuffs and be able to choose crap - a 4 year old only eats what you give them it’s as simple as that! When they’re teens going to school on their own I can sort of understand, but then where are they getting their money from?? These parents who say “I feed them all the right things, why is she fat” - because you’re feeding her too much, stop medicalising everything!!
Most 4 year olds eat most meals at nursery so educate yourself first!
A parent cannot teach a child if they them selves were brought up on crap. They don't know any different.. Sweets chocolate crisps and burgers .. chips and god knows what. Plus they don't get out and exercise enough.
Most parents these days cannot even make a stew, let alone what would go into it. They're all to happy to give them what they want and also ready meals out of the freezer.
Some parents don't have the time nor the energy after getting home from work even if they have kids or not, to cook correctly.
That's because they're having to work more hours to keep up with the bills and repayments.
So it's a ready meal or the chippy..
Wages are so low these days and prices of things gone through the roof, which just compounds the situation.
We in England work more hours than most of our European neighbours.. And whatever google says its got this one wrong, the last two jobs i had have been over 70 hours a week and not 41 as per average as google suggests. My friends in other lines of work are the same..
And as a bus driver one week i did almost 60 hours, this is WAY TO MUCH. It's not safe. Pubs used to have last orders at 10;20 at night, now they're open later.
Shops were closed on a Saturday after 12 mid day and not open on a Sunday. Now it's a given that you if you're in this line of work that you must comply and do the hours and days.
This is not right, IT IS NOT A GIVEN , AND FIRMS SHOULD NOT BE IMPOSSING IT UPON THE STAFF.
I walked out of my last two jobs because of the hours getting longer and longer.. i will not do it.. and until people stand up and say no enough is enough then they will keep you chained to whatever it is that you do.
Tell them no bugger off.
You as a person need a home life balance and work to live, Not live to WORK..
Absolutely agree with Jane 100%. If you don’t buy it you can’t eat it or feed it to your kids.
Yeah but Kaye is saying not everyone has the money to be able to afford to buy the right food and can only afford the crap food and be stuck in a financial situation that doesn’t allow them to yet improve their situation that’s why supermarkets now have been banned for doing 2 for 1 and buy one get one free on certain snacks and unhealthy food and do the offers on fruits and vegetables to try to help people who are stuck in the situation where they could only afford to buy the unhealthy cheap food but that’s only come in to place recently and this was a while ago when this was on
@@Thisistrulyoddtv_Mark It's not hard to not feed kids bad food.
Poor Brenda didn’t get a word in!
Interesting that Andrea didn’t tell Kay to allow Jane to finish a sentence, but was quick to tell Jane. Kay always has to be right - and on this she wasn’t.
Agreed x
The blame culture is insane, parents are responsible for teaching children from the moment they are born.
A parent cannot teach a child if they them selves were brought up on crap. They don't know any different.. Sweets chocolate crisps and burgers .. chips and god knows what. Plus they don't get out and exercise enough..
Jane is 100% correct
A parent cannot teach a child if they them selves were brought up on crap. They don't know any different.. Sweets chocolate crisps and burgers .. chips and god knows what. Plus they don't get out and exercise enough.
Most parents these days cannot even make a stew, let alone what would go into it. They're all to happy to give them what they want and also ready meals out of the freezer.
Some parents don't have the time nor the energy after getting home from work even if they have kids or not, to cook correctly.
That's because they're having to work more hours to keep up with the bills and repayments.
So it's a ready meal or the chippy..
Wages are so low these days and prices of things gone through the roof, which just compounds the situation.
We in England work more hours than most of our European neighbours.. And whatever google says its got this one wrong, the last two jobs i had have been over 70 hours a week and not 41 as per average as google suggests. My friends in other lines of work are the same..
And as a bus driver one week i did almost 60 hours, this is WAY TO MUCH. It's not safe. Pubs used to have last orders at 10;20 at night, now they're open later.
Shops were closed on a Saturday after 12 mid day and not open on a Sunday. Now it's a given that you if you're in this line of work that you must comply and do the hours and days.
This is not right, IT IS NOT A GIVEN , AND FIRMS SHOULD NOT BE IMPOSSING IT UPON THE STAFF.
I walked out of my last two jobs because of the hours getting longer and longer.. i will not do it.. and until people stand up and say no enough is enough then they will keep you chained to whatever it is that you do.
Tell them no bugger off.
You as a person need a home life balance and work to live, Not live to WORK..
Killing with kindness, we will have the worst public health issues in the 20th century.😡
Terrible here in Australia. Catching up to the States. Not good.
It’s not that easy for parents on low incomes etc..
Not having this low income garbage excuse, porridge, eggs, brown bread, low sugar cereal, milk, raw loose veg veg etc all cheaper than junk food. You are all delusional. Local takeaways in my town 8 in 50m, all flat out at tea time, not cheap, ( fish and chips £11), tell me you cannot feed 3 kids on that at 1 sitting, my mother could. "Not my fault" Britian
21st century is much much worse 😢
It's actually not a public health issue its parents own fault and not every other taxpayer.
If you have kids look after them it's not someone else's problem.
I often don’t agree with Jane on much but I do agree with her on this 💯. It’s the responsibility of the parents to know what they’re feeding their children especially small children! I don’t know if this a western thing in which parents don’t have control over their kids, I see it daily with my friends and how they children eat and the sad thing is they don’t want to make a change.
I don’t normally agree with Jane or her politics, but on this one I do agree with her.
Absolutely agree they got themselves into this mess and they can get themselves out of this mess.
We’re not holding their hand we are not helping them they did it themselves
@@jetnight88 well I hope to god then you don’t get stuck in a financial situation where it’s either pay your mortgage and have cheap food or I know I will buy organic food and then live on that cold park bench next week not everyone does it on purpose they could be made redundant or get sick and be put in a financial situation so
You shouldn’t be judging and what Kaye is saying not everyone has the money to be able to afford to buy the right food and can only afford the crap food and be stuck in a financial situation that doesn’t allow them to yet improve their situation that’s why supermarkets now have been banned for doing 2 for 1 and buy one get one free on certain snacks and unhealthy food and do the offers on fruits and vegetables to try to help people who are stuck in the situation where they could only afford to buy the unhealthy cheap food but that’s only come in to place recently and this was a while ago when this was on and it only came to light a few years ago that actually most of children who where actually over weight was caused not by the parent but actually the school because of the school dinners they was serving that’s why the government had to have an action plan to change the school meals to healthier foods
Parents ARE to blame.
We all know why Kay is so defensive about this and trying to blame everyone else. Her youngest daughter is pretty overweight.
Kay is also a terrible cook as demonstrated on the channel she and Nadia once had.Imdon’t believe for a second she has always cooked from scratch for her kids.
And her name is bonnie
The hatchet-faced woman in the red dress is endemic of the problem we face as a society--the denial of personal responsibility.
Shes not hatchet faced and I think she is well aware of personal responsibility having taken it herself in her own life and been a successful journalist and mother.
She is not denying personal responsbility but also acknowledging that the food environments which surround many especially those in the poorest communitites or those who have busy lives in low pay then it can be hard to find time and moeny to always choose the healthiest options.Healthy food could be more widely available and made less expensive and yes some people might be plain lazy or not bothered or uneducated as far as what healthy food is or how to cook healthy on a budget.
@@upendasana7857 "acknowledging that the food environments which surround many especially those in the poorest communitites or those who have busy lives in low pay then it can be hard to find time and moeny to always choose the healthiest options"
No it doesn't. Healthier food is CHEAPER.You're confusing ease and convenience with price, a dumb move. That's not how economics work.
There is no "food environment" except for the food you PERSONALLY DECIDE to purchase and consume.
"Healthy food could be more widely available "
It already is.
"yes some people might be plain lazy or not bothered or uneducated as far as what healthy food is or how to cook healthy on a budget."
Which is their own fault. And you're trying to make pathetic excuses. Improve your diet yourself.
Adams was just annoyed as she was not the lead presenter reduced in rank and responsibility to panelist
Jane is so sanctimonious, such a know all , knows F all about this subject , it’s complex 😡
Not really. Don't feed your kids crap, teach them to view food as fuel and not something you eat for comfort or pleasure. If someone has a medical issue it's different. But for most people (including myself), if you are fat you are taking in more than you are burning off. You are not only causing your children to have a harder life by being fat, you are also teaching them that they don't need to take personal responsibility for anything and it's the world that needs to change and not them.
Why does she not !!
@@somethingsomethingdeathsta748 No not really,I think most people know that being fat is not desirable or that it will make life harder for kids if they are unfit or overweight.The fact is weight and health is not as simple and it is related to income inequality and other issues such as where you live and how much moeny you earn and also issues like mental health so to blame it all on peoples personal responsibility and not take account of food companies and other retailers who make alot of money out of selling unhealthy food is also unfair.
Yes ultimately it is our responsibility if we want to be healthy as we can be and make better food choices especially for our children who have no choice other than what we feed them income,time and having easy access to good quality affordable healthy food is also an issue.
Also food is simply not just fuel but it to do with pleasure and comfort and all those things too and to ignore that is a mistake.The thing is to teach how to prepare healthy food espcially on a budget and quickly and also how to have comfort and treats without it being harmful or ignoring our mental health or other issues which make people comfort eat.Why do people comfort eat in the first place ?
Saying no is not difficult
I cannot abide Jane but in this instance she is right.
Jane is right don’t buy crap and your child can’t eat it simple I’ve never known a child that is given a balanced diet get overweight ..
A parent cannot teach a child if they them selves were brought up on crap. They don't know any different.. Sweets chocolate crisps and burgers .. chips and god knows what. Plus they don't get out and exercise enough.
Most parents these days cannot even make a stew, let alone what would go into it. They're all to happy to give them what they want and also ready meals out of the freezer.
Some parents don't have the time nor the energy after getting home from work even if they have kids or not, to cook correctly.
That's because they're having to work more hours to keep up with the bills and repayments.
So it's a ready meal or the chippy..
Wages are so low these days and prices of things gone through the roof, which just compounds the situation.
We in England work more hours than most of our European neighbours.. And whatever google says its got this one wrong, the last two jobs i had have been over 70 hours a week and not 41 as per average as google suggests. My friends in other lines of work are the same..
And as a bus driver one week i did almost 60 hours, this is WAY TO MUCH. It's not safe. Pubs used to have last orders at 10;20 at night, now they're open later.
Shops were closed on a Saturday after 12 mid day and not open on a Sunday. Now it's a given that you if you're in this line of work that you must comply and do the hours and days.
This is not right, IT IS NOT A GIVEN , AND FIRMS SHOULD NOT BE IMPOSSING IT UPON THE STAFF.
I walked out of my last two jobs because of the hours getting longer and longer.. i will not do it.. and until people stand up and say no enough is enough then they will keep you chained to whatever it is that you do.
Tell them no bugger off.
You as a person need a home life balance and work to live, Not live to WORK..
Jane is 1000% correct! Who else’s fault would it be? Kaye can’t blame it on people being busy. We’ve never had it easier! People that grew up in poor areas, such as this east end of London during the war, they were busy. They were working hard they had limited time, they were extremely poor and yet children were slim and food was cooked from scratch. If you have ever seen a very overweight family in the supermarket and glanced in their trolley, I have, you are likely to see lots of junk food and multipack bags of crisps. It is 100% the parents fault. Who else’s would it be? It’s laziness. It’s easy to shove some crisps and a ready meal in front of your kids. It’s harder to cook from scratch, but that’s what you need to do for the sake of your children’s health! Take responsibility. It’s like those cases you see where children are having to have their baby teeth removed because they’re all rotting! Is that the parents fault? Of course it is because they’re giving them so many sugary foods are not brushing their teeth! We shouldn’t have a gentle approach in case it’s like that, so it’s not offend the parents. What matters is the kids! You do need to offend the parents, make them realise what they’re doing!
I agree with Jayne
And how!
@Dollie Waitrose, surely Dollie!
Agree with Jane 💯
Agree with Jane
Dears I am afraid you have all missed the point !
Our culture has almost been diminished and we have become beasts of commerce .Modern lifestyles and poisonous foods are consumed daily .
WHO or an organisation as such; carried out a investigation on poisons in food and sweet as children kept dying YES DYING due to the proportion of the measurements in the ingredients .
12 men took part for 2 weeks and only 2 died or 1 died and so we have new proportions . I say get rid of it all and I am sure you will agree . After all you are what you eat 😘
Kaye is wrong --- Jane is correct. You have to plan. Stop snacking .... kids should finish eating by 17.00pm, like your parents did in the 1970s. When we said later we are hungry, your mother would have said "you should have eaten more at tea".
Stop feeding your children carbs, starchy carbs, juices - do not cook in vegetable oils eg sunflower, corn oil ... all toxic for the body. Potatoes is sugar, bread is sugar, pastries is sugar, rice is sugar, pasta is sugar. Do not feed your children cereals ... they are truly the worst.
Feed you kids eggs and streaky bacon for breakfast. Serve them good meat broth and meaty stews, high fat mince for supper. Do not push vegetables on children either.
I am now a 55 year old Carnivore - for three years nearly 4 now I have been eating only fatty meats, butter, fatty fish, I cook in lard, tallow ... love beef, lamb, organ meats, lots of eggs, Never felt better in my entire life, I have energy, menopause symptoms disappeared, hair grown back thick, no joint pain, brain is working again, depression gone and mood swings gone.
I now have that Carnivore zen. There are so many women going Carnivore ... basically we eat ancestrally ....
I think it's too easy to blame all parents especially when a parent is having to work two jobs just to pay the bills. Is home economics still taught in school? I agree finger wagging only makes the issues at home worse. Guilt tripping people in general does not work in changing behaviours.
and if a single parent household
Ok so let them carry on. And its not guilt tripping, its educating, but you cannot tell these 17yr old single parents anything, but hey they will have been put at front of queue for council house, benefit for child, maybe money off father by courts or voluntary, two sets of grandparents competing to see who can spoil the child the most. Heard it all before. You think we lived in Africa or down town Iraq the way you all make excuses.
Last time I checked, 'Lady', stores weren't just giving away food, rubbish or not. No money, no junk foods, really simple. And food banks should concentrate on essentials, not crap that makes people unhealthy(-ier).
@@Paul-sm8ms yeah thats right its all these 17 yr old single parents(mothers presumbaly) ..what a load of rubbish,what about all the overweight middle ages men who drink too much,eat too much and smoke and sit down the pub because their wives have left them or children don't speak to them...what about them as it is diabetes and heart disease in this population which probably is one of the biggest expenses to the health service
@@loveisall5520 food banks have no choice in what they give people or limited choices,they gve people tinned foods and store cupboard food and try to make it as healthy as possible and are not able to provide fresh food.Maybe you should work down a foodbank to see what they do and the people that come and what their issues are and then you might have more empathy.
Also they do concentrate on essentials..what do you think they are giving people,crisps and muffins and biscuits and chocolate
No-one is saying it’s easy. But you’re the parent - behave like one and stop making excuses. Who’s in charge? You or the 4 year old? You decide what they eat, end of story. It’s different when they’re older and not under your supervision - but at 4 years old, yes if they’re obese it’s your fault. Totally agree with Jane. The other woman was rude and condescending because she was losing the argument.
👏👏👏 exactly.
People are so judgmental!! They love to point the finger. When I was an “admirable “ weight I was tired miserable and depressed. Dieting left me in the end fatter than ever. Food is a complicated issue. Stop judging and support and help people. 🤬🤬🤬
Absolutely,everyone loves to get on their high horse about this,as you say it can be more complicated and food and diet is more complicated and as Kaye said food environments are full of poor unhealthy fattening foods.
Some people maybe plain lazy and not bothered for sure but most are probably trying to do their best with what they have.Its complicated as you say
Far to many take away shops need to close them down
i love kaye adams so much
Even if siblings grow up in the same household, they don't eat exactly the same cos they won't all like the same food & some kids eat more than others but then if they do that then it's more likely to have a knock-on effect later on. And as for the whole "I've got a mental health issue" & or "I've got an underactive thyroid" what about ppl who tick both of those boxes & aren't obese? Jane is right, there are parents that just ignore the advice that's around us regarding healthy eating cos they think they can do what they want & that we have freedom of choice which - let's face it - is getting exploited these days. I grew up with both my parents working but they put their foot down regarding how much we put into our bodies. It is tricky in terms of what kids eat when they're at school or just not around Mummy & Daddy but it can be dealt with if the parents can be bothered to do something about it. Plus, they have to lead by example as the child's role model to begin with too
not saying you may not have some valid points, but mental illnesses are different for everyone and affected by many variables.
@@imalwaysright but you can't use mental health issues all the time cos then you end up with physical health issues on top of them too. And when ppl say it's a vicious circle, it's only that way if you choose to eat/drink your feelings & emotions during a bad time. Some ppl are just stubborn & refuse to try other methods by simply claiming that they don't work so that they can just stuff their face. And when they have children as well, it doesn't set a good example. Yes life's tough but there are ways & means around these things that don't burden the NHS more
True that siblings don’t eat the same way but it’s the responsibility of the parents to make sure their kids eat healthy food cooked in fun different ways! Just because there’s a fussy eater doesn’t mean as a parent you let them eat junk food.
Jane is right.
Although, there is lots of pressure on Parents from all sides.
Omg Kay let Jane finish her sentence-shes so rude !!.
I work in early years and the amount of parents who just pack unhealthy snacks no fruit or vegetables and there 4 years old -yes there are cases where it's a bit different but on the whole I think parents are to blame
I don’t think it’s all their fault. There are so many parents who work all day and are surrounded by nothing but cheap takeaways.
Jane is absolutely right, where is the self-responsibility then? Of course not for sb who is under age but for ppl after teenage years.
Jane's right .
This has been a problem since the 50s in one way or another
The tension woah. They both have valid points, but Jane speaks like a privileged woman with a nanny in a world where everything is linear and perfect
100% jane's so rude
Yes she is privileged so be easy upset
Get real... junk food is cheaper than fresh, people can't afford to pay £3.00 for a tiny punnet of blueberries
Dont forget if one parent is obese the child has a 50% chance of being the same. If both parents
are obese the child has no chance
@Dollie think you might find it's fact
Its the Crap that's put in our food and the fact its no longer safe for kids to wander around outside, schools to a degree as well, my boy often said they didn't do pe because the hall was being used for rehearsals for plays etc
Kaye you are wrong !
Can someone ask me why do we need to help them?
They got themselves into this mess and they can get themselves out of this mess
have you raised children?
@@imalwaysright Yes I have and I’ve taught them to get out of things that they created themselves
I’m not holding their hand I’m not bailing them out they got themselves into this mess get yourself out of it
It’s called preparing them for the real world
@@imalwaysright you got yourself into this mess now get yourself out
@@jetnight88 You sound like a really great loving parent.Its not about bailing people out but offering the help and support,as k any doctor or healthcare worker and they will say your approach does not work for people who actually want help with their weight or health.Your approach simply does not work.Wonder if your kids speak to you these days ...well
I love it!!!!
Parents should take responsibility until they are 18 then the person has their own decision then
I agree with Jane.
Women in red not the brightest
Jane is correct
I agree with Kay
It’s the parent’s fault. No doubt. Super poor parenting and should be classed as neglect.
4 yr old. 🙉 Jane 100% correct.
It’s so much more nuanced than Jane is stating.
I’ve got two grandchildren, both boys, a year apart, both eat the same foods, ones 9, the other 10. One is skinny as a bean and the other one is larger in bone structure and slightly fat, so don’t tell me it’s the parents fault!
Okay, 'ruth', I won't. Revel in your ignorant denial!
Well in some instances it is
Children under 11 you should teach them to eat in moderation, be active and signed them up to clubs. I equip my child with the knowledge they need so when they are alone without me they can make the right decision. Parents are 100% responsible for the obese child
These cookery shows are bullshit for a few reasons.
1) you need expensive ingredients that poorer families cannot afford on a budget
2) you need expensive cooking utensils to get the same results that they get.
Eg. We all know that you cannot flip an omelette in an average frying pan.
3) the shows are edited to make the cooking look easier than it really is
It’s convenient food
As the custodian of your child you are responsible for what they eat and what they drink what you bring in that house is determined By you what they’re going to eat if it’s not in the house they can’t eat it now after they become teenagers of course they probably going to eat things that you don’t know about but you still governing what they eat in your house.
The parents are thick.
Kay has became so opinionated she rudely speaks over people
No wonder they are called loose women 😂😂😂😂
Yeah,we should ahve a programme called sensible men who always know whats right and will tell us !! ..lol
What's wats her name doing back and hosting ...wanted to leave for good !!
It’s from a few years ago
Haven't those 2 spoke enough..come on brenda
Worse than them on view
I Love jane
plah plah plah
It's the parents fault ...no doubt about.