Eddie Kramer Tells the Story of Led Zeppelin's Iconic Sound on "Whole Lotta Love"
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2017
- Neil Shukla interviews legendary music producer and recording engineer Eddie Kramer at the Cosmo MusicFEST & EXPO. In Part 2, he discusses how mistakes led to the iconic psychedelic section on Led Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love".
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Neil Shukla interviews legendary music producer and recording engineer Eddie Kramer at the Cosmo MusicFEST & EXPO. He discusses his experiences with Jimi Hendrix, and muses on what his potential fourth studio album would have been like.
"Leave the mistakes in, leave the bloody hair on" ~ Eddie Kramer
= "Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli"
I even leave the pubic hair in mine.
I love how Eddie has an accent that has assimilated classic NYC on top of a British one, but originally from South Africa.. one of a kind guy
The ghost vocals in “whole Lotta love” Are such a part of the song I can’t hear it any other way....it’s fascinating to me that it was a mistake. As Bob Ross would say “a happy mistake“
"There are no mistakes, just happy little accidents." Bob Ross
Yeah, that turned out great didn't it,
amazing how good that sounded ,
and 'back in the day' , incredible.
Even as a small child listening I knew it must've been a mistake. Zeppelin records are full of stuff like that. Hendrix too. And Beatles for that matter. So privileged to have grown up listening to all that. In fact privileged to have lived in the time I have, full stop.
many babies of that era and indeed history are happy mistakes
The idea of living "mistakes" or otherwise unintended artifacts in the mix gives the listener a feeling of being included in a live event.
“Leave the bloody hair on!”
Words to live by ;-)
Loved this one here , and Yes , leave the mistakes & warts & all in the mixes . Keeps things organic & not so polished . Today’s music gets polished so much to perfection it makes it like a saying my dad was fond of spouting off about sometimes, it went like this ; “ You can polish a turd until it shines, but underneath it all it’s STILL A TURD”. Pretty much sums up a whole lot of contemporary music these days….😉😏👍
Yep, very sterile!
Kramer was part of so much greatness.
Mr. Kramer is an icon in the music world. The best of the best.
Led Zepplin will live forever in rock history. Jimmy Page is a genius. Robert Plant, John Bonham, John Paul Jones, et all, were so great for so long. It took all of them to be "Led Zeppelin". Still love 'em, after all these years !
Thanks Eddie for leaving John's squeeky, Ludwig Speed King, bass drum pedal alone!
Since I've been loving You. IMO, Best song ever.
JP's playing (and timing) on the studio version is just sublime. A very hard song to cover properly.
Chris Pontin you are not kidding... it's so " sloppy" in a good blurry way..Page is so hard to master Because Page is a Slurd Perfection Of Blues, Rock, Folk, Jazz, progression...a.k.a " Light & Shade "... So many have tried to imitate and just can't because they aporoch Page with TECHNIC !!! Huge Mistake...We can only feel his passion and try his " nuances"...
Bonhzeppelin Since I been loving you....squeek squeek...squeek pop! That one? ;).
Bonhzeppelin-- Infamously known as the Squeak King..
+Rhythmista Lol! Yes for SURE and from personal experience!
" It will be big, really big!
We'll go over like a Led Zeppelin! "
- Keith Moon
At that time of the quote it was "a lead Balloon" it was kind of a ballsy & brilliant move to make a couple changes & go with that...we're used to it.. can you imagine how it must have sounded initially ? The Rolling Stones,The Who,Led what ?
Matthew Paluch *Like a lead balloon... i.e., Led Zeppelin...
Actually John Entwistle said it when Keith told him about a session he’d just done for Beck’s Bolero , Keith just took the credit .
I remember buying a 1953 Ford F100 pickup to drive to work and school in like 1969. It had an AM radio in it. Even without stereo or great speakers, Whole Lot of love just blew me away. I had never heard of Led Zeppelin before that, but it remained one of my favorites by them.
I have similar memories from those times! I also remember first hearing Steppenwolf‘s magic carpet ride or journey to the center of the mind by The Amboy Dukes . Those songs just jumped out of your radio .Back then most hit songs were mixed for AM radio and listened to through crappy car speakers. In Other words there was no reason to have a lot of bass since subwoofers weren’t even invented yet and dynamic range was severely limited.
Something I always found incredible about Zeppelin's studio music is how it manages to sound organic yet so professional at the same time. In the fourth album you can tell Jimmy put a TON of effort into producing every song until it he thought it sounded totally presentable. Yet he didn't over-polish, and kept a raw type quality to it. Black Dog is a perfect example of something only Page could do. The fuzz effects and army of backing guitars give the song it's power and identity.
Part of it was that Page didn't like recording laying down individual tracks. He liked the band to record as a whole as much as possible.
moncorp1 That'll do it. Allows the spaces around the instruments to breathe.
Bryce A. I remember my first time hearing the band. Exactly like you said. Heavy, melodic, raw, rough, loud. Did it for me.
Bryce A. All good albums. But you can hear Roberts voice actually coming into its own on LZ3. Such a great album.
+moncorp1 Albeit in box like partitions between them. ;-)
'Led Zeppelin' is the best rock and roll name
James Rockford The Rolling Stones better
That's fascinating. I can't imagine Whole Lotta Love without that echo of the second 'woman'! Leave in the rough edges!
always wondered how they did that !
An amazing engineer and creative person!
I simply SMILED the entire time. Thank you.
Legend who helped create Legend’s Thankyou Eddie Kramer !! ♥️
These are probably the coolest stories I've ever heard, thank you Mr Kramer for sharing!
What a great interview...I saw Led Zeppelin in '77 at the Capital Center...interesting insight...thanx for the upload dude.
1:55 massive overlaugh
Yep, this dude is a pretty lame interviewer :(
He seems to talk at his interviewees and include himself (via fan-girling) in many questions.
belly grab and all!
"Gotta get this airplane out." "Nah, leave it, yeah."
“Hey hey momma, what’s the matter here...”
Eddie Kramer - one of the MONSTERS - ROTARY VOLUME POTS
Madonna: In Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
LL Cool J: In Rock and Roll Hall of Fam
Eddie Kramer: sigh................. not. in. Rock. And. Roll. Hall. Of. Fame.
Face:Palm
The RRHF is just about obsolete. It started when non-rock bands began to be inducted...
Yup, and it took how effing long for Rush to be inducted? Hence Alex LIfeson's "speech."
Deep purple needs too be inducted
you're all correct...Purple FINALLY got in, but, Humble Pie/Steve Marriott, Procol Harum, Free/Bad Company and on n on. R&R HOF SUCKS.
What about Larry Williams? One of the most influential musicians in Rock n Roll history, the Beatles, Rolling stones, you name it all massively influenced by him, recorded cover versions of his songs like Slow Down, Dizzy Miss Lizzie, Bad Boy, Bonie Maronie, She said yeah, on and on he is NOT in the RnR hall of fame.
The guy behind jimi Hendrix amazing sounds 🎸
Hendrix and Zep. Pretty much was there helping to make so many of my favorite sounds!
Some 'mistakes' in the music have been my favorite parts for almost 60 years.
What he was trying to say in the end was sometimes little mistakes on a track like that give it character and for me make a song more memorable
Sting bumping the piano on the into to "Roxanne" is another prime example.
Hendrix recorded the album version of "Crosstown Traffic" in a single take according to legend.
"LEAVE THE HAIR ON, KIDS!" Thanks for this.
wow rightbuddy?
A bit ironic, since his hair is off.
No, it isn't. If you squint really hard, you can see that he's got a full, manly lion's mane growing
majestically in all directions. But you have to squint REALLY hard.
teppolundgren
As Captain Beefheart once said "you'd need a fly's eye to see it"
+1000 internets for the Beefheart reference!
Eddie once said that the only guitarist to have better concentration and laser-focus in the studio than Jimi Hendrix was Jimmy Page...just sayin'.
Except on 13JUL85 when he sucked.
@@Jackmc2112 Thank Phil Collins (and no practice) for that legacy tarnishing performance.
@@Jackmc2112 My ticket # for
LIVE
AID - Philly was 666.
This ticket was never used because I stupidly tried to sell it and when I did I had not realized but it was ripped in half, by the time getting home to watch it on television
( Thinking I would have a better view and would never see lLIVE AID again ..
I was 18 .
I did not know any better.
The two greatest guitarists ever
@@Jackmc2112 that wasn't in a studio though.
hip hip hurray "Eddie Kramer".....great engineer.......a legend.........Tone....compression....perfect E Q...Jimmy Page also....team work at the mixing board..........Golden ears......
Thx Mucho! Your efforts were greatly appreciated..
Could listen to this guy's stories for days.
Angel were the VERY Best of ALL Groups!!!!
"Leave the bloody hair on!" I love it!
Wow !! What a gem...true every word, keep it organic !! That dude is a treasure !!
This was great to hear Eddie "storytelling".
Does anyone here also hear Robert's airy laugh at the beginning of Whole Lotta Love before Page comes in with the riff?
You have to really listen for it....
And Pink Floyd’s....Eddie was the guy they called for groups that no one knew what to do with or were considered too noisy to handle🍄🌸💜
Great interview and story behind Whole Lot of Love and an important lesson that sometimes a mistake can be turned into something unique!!
Kramer seems so down to earth. What an awesome interview!
Wow, fascinating. I love the behind the scenes stuff. These are craftsmen.
Having been a Jeff Beck listener since the earliest of his Yardbyrds days, he blends mistakes into genius. He plays with quite an abandon, when it seems going off the rails, he reigns in notes to cover whatever might have gone estray. Mr. Page plays with abandon too, but rather organized abandon. But yes, leave the mistakes in, how very human! thanks, the records are genius.
Thanks for the message!
Wow that clarifies 40+ years of mistery for me of that background voice !!
Mr. Kramer is very very credible. I would like to ask him how the cough that starts "Whole Lotta Love" track got in there. To me, "Whole Lotta Love" from start to finish is Led Zeppelin's 1st masterpiece (among many others). Best band ever. Hands down.
Or Muddy Waters/ Willie Dixon's... who's trust still get a large percentage of the royalties....
he did every Jimi Hendrix song and produced the Woodstock festival.
I remember as a kid listening to it for the first time and thinking it was a mistake.
Another one of my favorite Kramer pieces!
You listen to Eddie...then you think about...or listen to When the Levee Breaks...the dirtiest...grimiest....overdriven recording that exists...and how FUCKIN perfect it is. A beast of a song thanks to these fine English gents.
The heaviest song in existence.
edddy is the best
It's a whole lotta love!
[iiiiirrrrrrhhhhhn]
🥰
Awesome interview !
Thank you Eddie, warts and all.
Thanks for the advice Eddie!
I love Kramer. Awesome interview.
Always a pleasure listening to Eddie talk about the good old days!! Vinyl forever!!!
Blackdog99 says a guy posting on youtube
Blackdog99 hey yeah and lets bring back 8 trackz too! shee-it how ridiculous
BACK TO MONO!! just kidding
"Leave the hair on". Is this a reference to the crackling sound that lint and dust makes on vinyl records per chance?
leslie silk: In context I'd say yes. It would be fitting. You may know musicians & engineers usually use that word to mean distortion or overdrive. Any crackle, hiss, rattles, background noise, general gnarliness would fit here. Mr. Pedant strikes again, eh? 😏
The imperfections make perfection. .that's what I always loved about page, hendrix, frusciante, uhmmmm....
Yup.. only them know it’s a mistake. The listener doesn’t.
I’ve live to know about the cough in the beginning of whole latta love..
1:22 I wish I would be so awesome so I can just casually say "JPJ is a good friend, bla bla bla...." like it's basic stuff to know and work with anyone from the Led... Mad respect Eddie
Classic!
Eddie luv ya!
Great stuff!!! :)
Eddie is a monster😂The HENDRIX OF ENGINEERS....Thank you Mr Kramer, from France👍✌️
living legend 'nuff said
Thank you !
No Problem!
Ok that was brilliant. Bit of insight
Charles Mingus said that when you make a mistake and play a 'bad' note, next chorus play the same note, but make it work - lean into it and make the bad sound good.
There are never any bad note, just notes played with poor confidence! 😂
How about the phone ring in the second verse of the ocean, it's faint but it's there!
John Afella Black Country woman, Naahh leave it !
The snarl, growling in 'For Your Life'... Or, at the 1:23 second mark on 'Out on the Tiles' where someone yells "stop"...
Or the fact that the beginning of Celebration Day got erased accidentally and they overdubbed the droning synth thing on Friends to cover the gap.
I'm pretty blown away to find out that Page and Jones played on Hurdy Gurdy Man!
There are loads of 60s hits that Page played on. One of many was the guitar solo on the Kinks, "You Really Got Me". as well
mrfester42 That was just a myth. Page himself has stated that he wasn't on that song
You're wrong! He said he doesn't remember playing on that one, not that he didn't do it . He also played the solo on many of the early Kinks records and has said that he doesn't remember many of the specific sessions that he played on regardless of the artist or group he was playing for. "You Really Got Me" was only one of them.
He started in 1961 when he was 17 years old and he was the most prolific and in demand guitar session player in England during the 60s for pop and rock sessions.
Maybe he played on other Kinks songs, but it's been clarrified by so many people that Page didn't do You Really Got Me. Even the band members themselves and the producer have stated it. Look up the interviews, or even wikipedia
Mundi Cox I have a suspicion that Jimmy may have played Tambourine on early Kinks stuff. Ray Davis has made sarcastic comments to
That effect. I believe Bald headed woman has jimmy’s guitar on it.
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A beautiful mistake indeed! Just check out his work on "Electric Ladyland". Incredible! Love Mr. Kramer.
I always like the bits on the drum tracks where John Bonham's Speed King kick pedal would squeak. Since it's in time with the track you really have to listen for it. It's not on every song either. And no, I'm not going to tell you which tracks it's most prevalent on. It's an Easter Egg. You find it.
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Nice comment from the interviewer at the end. Very classy and not done much these days.
Jerry Thompson We seem to have some things in common (been playing electric since '69) Yeah, knocks me out *every* time! Glad U liked the comment. Keep Rockin bro.
1.15 Picked his earwax and flicked on floor lol
God bless Zep and god bless Eddie!
"LISTEN TO THIS EDDIE " LA FORUM , 1977
Great!!!! But, what about that "aaah!" in the begining!? :-)
exactly!!!
Eddie mixed the album...he did not record it. He knows nothing about the actual recording of the album. Glyn Johns was the engineer on the album and it was recorded at several different studios on two continents.
It sounds like a cough to me.
I had heard many years ago that the pre-echo/echo effect happened because they printed the vocals so "hot" onto the tape that it printed through to the preceeding and following wrap of tape on the real. It happens before and after the recorded vocal part. It's the same vocal part, moved in time, not an alternate take from an adjacent track.
The internet and OPINIONS! This is my contribution; Thank the maker for music ! Thank those that made us bob our heads , play air guitar and dance/mosh. Music is awesome no matter what category /genre you want to separate it by, at least we all get something out of MUSIC!. Zeppelin made some music and for some of us it was goddam electrifying! Music means so much to so many of us, that is why it is so amazing. I do not care what genre you listen to , as long as you are making or enjoying music. The world is a better place when you keep your opinions to yourself and just fucking enjoy it.
furnacefire I with u on most of it. Constructive criticism, wait. Positive opinions are more acceptable than negative ones. I think these younger generations are missing out on "quiet time" meaning they'd rather run their mouth about nothing instead of listening and actually learning something.
Indeed! LMFAO! That was probably the most positive comment I've left on a video in a long time, most the time I just do not bother. I could have given some criticism on "pop" music though HAHAHA!
Tisbonus you think that becaude you are an old fart who has become your parents not because you know what the hell you are talking about...if anything it's the old farts who miss out on so much because they are living in the past which is sad
Robert Bermudez whoa there bub. Who said I was an old fart? Well, other than the obvious. I'm just a seasoned dude who knows a little somethin.😁
Tisbonus eh...you seem to know is your generation was "better" - just like your parents thought and their parents and theirs etc...age sure don't always bring wisdom 😎
There was another vocal mistake on a Physical Graffiti song and I always wondered why they left it in. Good stuff!
great story - any more trivia & hidden arcana about LZ ?
"Cosmo fans" - thought he alluded to Cosmo Kramer. Never heard of Cosmo Music before.
Oh wow i didn't know that Eddie Kramer mixed Zeppelin II. I love all the work he has done on Jimi Hendrix's albums. I have an original 1st press recford of Zeppelin II. Leaving in mistakes is not a bad thing. Mistakes left in a record make it sound real. I hate albums that are recorded on pro tools or good albums recorded all analog then converted to digital with pro tools. I really wish that all analog albums would make a come back this day in age. Analog has a warm rich sound that digital just cannot reproduce.
Love all the coughs, mumbled words, false starts, etc... found on Zep records. Leave the hair on, kids!
Same here. Makes the listening experience that much more real and the geniuses that much more down to earth and human.
This very track actually starts off with a laugh right before the riff kicks in.
bonzo screams during the drum fill at the end of the dazed and confused mid section.
I love the vocal noises in the beginning of 'The Rain Song'.. Plant breathes, exhales, sighs, quietly clears his throat.
As an engineer, when digital became the norm, I never felt compelled to clean everything up; only when something is distracting from the music - everything else should stay.
The old objective was (more often than not) to get the feel like your in the room with the band. Most modern music is so sterilized, quantized autotuned and overproduced, it comes across (to me at least) as divorced from the listener. I'm glad my formative recording years were with good ol' tape!
Gotta get this airplane off
Eddie Kramer's remark about "LEAVE THE BLOODY MISTAKES IN..." is so true.
There's an interview of Herbie Hancock about when he was playing with Miles Davis at a gig...and Herbie hits the wrong chord at a key point in a specific song.
Herbie is like stunned...thinks his career is over and that the Master Mr. Miles is going to turn around and shoot him...but no... Instead Miles just works right through the remainder of the song.
Point being that something is only a mistake if you let it be a mistake. Miles Davis's way of thinking was like Eddie Kramer's statement. As that's how innovation occurs.
It's not the mistakes, it's how you deal with those mistakes. And sometimes there's Gold in those mistakes.
Dateline: Final Monday evening at sunset in August 2017, Benicia, Cal... Eleven blokes who had an objection here ... shall we keep the door open for reconsideration, friends ? 11/545 and a percentage of .02 % is an anemic minority... A thousand thank yous for this post. Eddie Kramer is a hoot.
Jimmy Page AND John Bonham did not play on Donovan’s “Hurdy Gurdy Man” single.
5:05...what I say all the time- leave the little mistakes and noises in there!
Great stuff.
Also, is that a temp office with pix of models in the frames? There's nothing else in the room, it's at a convention center, and one of the frames has nothing in it. lol.
That looks like my office. Even the furniture and the blinds are the same. Spooky.
Geo Zero i was just thinking staged
My first question for Mr. Kramer would be: Did Bonzo use a bodhran on Ramble On. There are so many rumors floating around like a garbage can or guitar case and I don't believe it.
AH HA! I always wondered about that, so it was a mistake they couldn't erase!
April Mae it was the guide vocal and it bled all over the music tracks so they would have had to mute the whole band and it would have sounded weird. I think Eddie is getting dingy. This has been talked about for 40 years and this is the worst description I have heard yet. It wasn't a "mistake ".
Ken Steiger
No bleeding. It was a previous pass on the vocal track from another machine. During the dead air you heard some of that recording just ahead of the current one (no time code, those days). During playback as Eddie says, they agreed to lay it over to the multitrack master. Accidental art!
is this the ken steiger who teaches or did teach gtr at musicians institute? an inquiring mind wants to know. if so we used to chum around a bit 91-92 ( i attended p.i.t that year )...we never jammed though...you always thought you were too good...which you were'nt, lol.
jim schaidt
How much did it cost to try to ape Dave Weckel?
it cost me nothing, won a scholarship and fuck dave weckel...i can't stand that kinda drumming.
A good example, listen to the Heartbrreaker solo, and you can hear a tape echo of a take, that was left in , and enhanced. There's a story to that too on another channel.
i know from experience that mistakes can sometimes lead to a new song. 1 song i wrote, came about when i mistakenly jumped from 1 chord to a chord that was supposed to b played 2 chords later. i was playing, "time in a bottle". i thought, "oh shit,... wait! actually that sounds pretty good" , & i went w/it.
hold on while I get this airplane off .... naw leave it
That's somewhere on Physical Graffiti ...
"That's gonna be the one it has to be!"
Good idea
SnakeRiverFishing always wondered if that pilot up there ever knew it was him on the record - very very unlikely of course - but if he did can ask for royalties
Eddie always the consumate raconteur.
Eddie Kramer sounds like he used to live in England 20 years ago and his accent faded, because he really sounds American now with just a slight hint of a British accent here and there...
I think the original question was asking about the break down section from 1.20 to 3.04, not the acapella section near the end of the song, but whatever,
Miles Davis was a leave the 'mistakes' in kind of guy, which transformed Herbie Hancock's way of thinking about live and studio performance. My guess is that the classical greats, the early jazz/blues/rockabilly greats came across 'wrong' notes that transformed the song, in a good way. An example from my coming up is the feedback at the beginning of the Beatles most excellent 'l Feel Fine'. John had left his guitar up against his amp, which was turned up. First feedback on record, according to John.