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Notice the difference in parenting styles between Rhaenyra & Alicent. When Jace returned from the North, Rhaenyra could see how much pain he was in. So she holds & comforts him, as they cried together over Luke's death. Meanwhile Alicent sees Aegon mourning his son's death & she just walks away, unable or unwilling to comfort him. Instead, she goes right back to sinning with Cristin, like she did the night her grandson was killed in his own bed. Rhaenyra's sons were raised to be caring & decent while Alicent's first two sons turned out to be ruthless & self-serving, much like their uncle Daemon. Alicent also manipulates Halaena to be used as a pawn, just as Otto used her when she ws young. All she seems to care about in this episode is covering her own ass about screwing Cristin every chance she gets. She cares only about her own guilty pleasures "The Gods punish ME!" yet she keeps going back to get another round of sexy time... While I don't care for Otto much, Alicent is simply abhorrent as is Cristin Cole.
@@nancyberry1039 I think you're severely misunderstanding Alicent and her role as a mother. The nature in which Alicent vs Rhaenyra's children were conceived is very important to understand their roles as mothers. Rhaenyra's children were born out of love (Harwin), Alicent was a child bride and the 4 of her children were born out of marital rape from an older man she never wanted to marry. Her family (alicent, otto, alicents children) all don't know how to communicate emotionally. We see it with Aegon and Helaena, then we see it with Alicent and Otto, then again with Alicent and Aegon, and Aemond only being vulnerable with this woman who kind of looks like his mother, being cradled. Alicent really isn't the evil witch you guys want her to be. She loves her children but she cannot stomach them sometimes and I get it. Shes incredibly emotionally repressed and was alone for a long time.
he “Dance of the dragon” event that the show is depicting, isnt a typical story like game of thrones. Its a retelling of the events by different people within the “game of thrones” verse. So when people say “it happened this way in the books” technically no one knows how it really happened because the story is told multiple different ways by biased people on both sides of the war.
I don't think they did anything to Helaena, I think Alicent just means that they've destroyed her daughter by murdering her son. The child's pain is ended but Heleana's is just beginning, and speaking as a mother, I don't think it could ever end.
When alicent said what they did to my daugther, she ofcourse meant the trauma they gave halaena, but what these guys thought was that they R-worded the twin daugther as they had threatened that in the books and these guys got to know about the book's event. So when they heard alicent their mind went to the books event.
The events in the show were worse than in the book with blood and cheese. Both scenarios ended with the heir being beheaded but in the books it was a swift cut and in the show it seemed to be sawed off with a dull blade. In the book there may have been a mention of grape but none took place and in the book Alicent was checking on her family like a good grandmother and in the show she was getting piped down by Criston who allowed the whole thing to happen by not being on watch.
Mysaria (White Worm) must’ve made it back to warn Erryck that she saw his twin arrive. He had a hunch something was up, but burst through the door yelling “BROTHERRR!” You wouldn’t rush into the Queen’s room with your sword ready on a just hunch like that, so Mysaria must have told him or alerted someone. I hope the next episode will clarify.
I agree, but I think that's implied quite adequately. I'm not sure why people thought Mysaria herself was going to burst into the room. She wouldn't have been able to fight off any of the king's guard, let alone a swordsman like Ser Arryk. I think it's clear she told the guard she was with and he sent word up to the castle. Ser Erryk already had a funny feeling when he walked by his brother hiding (twin stuff), so I'm sure he didn't hesitate when he got the word.
@rexibhazoboa7097 The Cargyll twins are both described as very skilled members in a Kingsguard that's described as one of the best in history that being King Viserys I Kingsguard as below, though, now of course, divided. Ser Criston Cole (Lord Commander - Greens) Ser Steffon Darklyn (Lord Commander- Blacks) Ser Aerryk Cargyll (Greens) Ser Erryk Cargyll (Blacks) Ser Lorant Marbrand (Blacks) Ser Rickard Thorne (Greens) Ser Willas Fell (Greens)
Cane corso owner here, they're popular at this time because they're an ancient breed that have been around since Ancient Rome. They used to fight alongside the Romans in packs to take down horses. I figure GoT (Ramsey's dogs) and HotD use them because they align with the historical time period this show draws inspiration from.
They Confirmed That Erryk (Rhaenyra) won killing his brother Arryk (Aegon) and then committed suicide. He was asking Forgiveness from his Queen and his Brother.
@@Pj123426 you would not believe how many people think it’s Arryk. Saying he realized his mistake after he killed Erryk and chose Rhaenyra in the end, then asked for forgiveness before killing himself.
Imagine going so far as to attempt to kill your own brother to kill Rhaenyra but not killing Rhaenyra after succeeding in that. That would make killing your brother pointless. What I'm trying to say is that it was Rhaenyra's Kingsguard who won. @@kat309
Otto is so similar to tywin… brilliant, but far too callous with his family. If only he had shown love to his daugther i think everything would have been different
I mean he always did like her but she wasn’t blood related to him (I don’t think he’s actually against women ruling but it did serve him to use that against her).
If the Greens loose the war so does the Hightowers. His own house is far too invested in the Crown as married into it for him to ever have a reason to switch sides.
As much as it was satisfying to watch Otto give Aegon a proper dressing down, he such a hypocrite while doing it. He gets mad abt the rat catchers, never mind what he did to the nobles last season. He gets mad that Aegon and Cole conspired to kill Rhaenyra when he himself conspired to do so last season. Aegon never wanted this, was never prepared for this, and now his son is dead. And then Otto brings up Viserys as some great king, acting like Aegon should respect the father who cared more about his lego set than his children.
RIGHT? I cant believe so many people are siding with him and then bashing Alicent. He is the monster begind everything. Now it is all falling out of his grasp and he decides to go dip to Oldtown
that's definitely true, I agree. but he's still right about almost everything he said. it's just ridiculous that he's the one saying it and doing it after everything that he's done. he's definitely a hypocrite but viserys was still a better man than aegon. not the ideal and best king, but probably still better all things considered.
My heart broke for the twins 😭🥲 Also Aegon breaking down and Alicent just walking away was so sad....the convo between Daemon and Rhyneara (sp?) was some great acting as well as between Aegon and Otto when Aegon dismisses him. There are some top tier phenomenal actors in this show. 💜
@@lynnraven6101 This show is so biased towards TB that they all bad thinks they did so we left with bland and boring side because they want Rahnyra to be like Danerys in earlier seasons
This episode and episode one showed me the vast difference in parenting styles when it comes to Rhaenyra and Alicent. When Rhaenyra saw Jace was hurting over Luke she instantly went to comfort him, however, when Alicent saw that Aegon was understandably distraught over losing his son Alicent turned and walked away. While I believe Alicent loves her children, it's clear she's not the best mother.
@qwanellpullins9883 Exactly this. Alicent never truly knew how to be a mother to her children (not her necessarily her fault having grown up without one, but still). Even on the 3rd episode of the 1st season where baby Aegon is crying in the carriage on the way to the hunt, she hands him off to her handmaiden once he gets fussy. Cue to the 9th episode again in the carriage on the way to Aegon's crowning (As I type this i realize the brilliance in the writing for this parallel!) and Aegon asks Alicent if she loves him and all she does is scowl roll her eyes and call him an imbecile. They did a great job last season showing the difference in how Alicent and Rhaenyra are mothers to their children and effects of it. I love that it's showing now in this season even with Aegon now not knowing how to be affectionate and/or comfort Halaena on the stairs. Even Aemond calling Alicent by her name and not as his mother. Viserys is also to blame for not really engaging with his children with Alicent in any meaningful way as well, because of his guilt for Aemma and Rhaenyra. Whew the dysfunction jumped out!
Oh, my dear sweet Helaena… She didn’t deserve anything she went through. :( My heart breaks for her every time I read of her in the book, and now it’s breaking for her all over again in the show. The pure panic in her eyes as the cart gets stuck… Gods, Phia is like a Renaissance painting, her eyes scream so much without her having to say anything.
someone else commented that they probably use Cane Corsos because historically, that particular dog breed would have existed in the time period this fictional series is set in. I totally agree with that, since as far as I know, German shepherds didn’t come in until the end of the 19th century-so if y’all have been watching a few films/series set earlier in history that would explain why you’ve been seeing cane corsos over German shepherds
I COMPLETELY zoned out and then like spiderman sensing a crime happening, i heard oak say something about "mom's foot fetish guy" and it snapped me back into reality like a cold plunge
I feel like it’s pretty obvious if you follow the dialogue, the one that says “you parted us” is the one that is killed. The one that “parted” them did so by leaving KL for Rhaenyra
@@drew6479 yeah, unfortunately there is a lot of people who say it was Arryk. They say He chooses Rhaenyra after killing Erryk and then begs her for forgiveness before killing himself. Some even try to make slow-mo videos to prove it.
The whole point here is that *it does not matter* which was which. They were both extremely rare examples of true knights put in an impossible position. It matters not which survived initially.
The Dialogue between Otto Hightower & King Aegon in that scene was done so well! & the twins sword battle was brutal, You could tell neither wanted to fight each other but had no choice, but never expected Eric to do that to himself after! 😮 & its going to ve very interesting to see what Daemon does next & how Cristen Cole handles being the Hand to the king now. Quinn "his no Joffey" & the wink he did in the full reaction, really enjoyed watching it! 😊💚
"GIve them Daemon" Might as well surrender before the war even starts. Dude carries Team Black even with all the going off script and doing shit without authorization.
Interesting little side note: Erryk and Arryk were the characters from this show introduced earliest in the original ASOIAF books, and I think mentioned the most. They're eventually regarded as legendary knights of the Kingsguard, the original GoT characters study them in their history lessons, and there's a set of twins named Erryk and Arryk presumably after these two. Just thought that was a cool connection :P
WARNING BOOK STUFF: So the book this is based on is written from the point of view of a Maester writing history based on accounts from different sources that often conflict. So the book story itself in terms of the details and motivations is really an unreliable source of the full truth. So all the private conversations and revealing of individual motivations and hidden actions is some of the cool stuff the show can fill in that is not in the books. As far as what the show portrays accurate to the books the only thing I can recall is the hanging of all the rat catchers, Otto's dismissal and Cole given Hand of the King and the great fight between the twin brothers which has very different accounts from 2 sources that the show manages to draw some truth from each. The funeral procession is not mentioned. As far as the Blood & Cheese incident nothing happened to Halaena other that of course her son being murdered but in the books the extra horror is they have another son that is not in the show and Alicent is gagged and present in the room. B&C force Halaena to choose which son should be murdered or else they all get killed. Halaena reluctantly chooses the younger son Maegor and Cheese whispers in his ear "you hear that, your Mom wants you dead" and they kill the elder son Jahaerys. Halaena has visions of the future but is not anything like a long view schemer a la Otto, she is portrayed as on the spectrum in the show. Great reaction guys, there are so many huge events to come I cannot wait to see!
Lol even if Rhaenyra gave the greens Daemon, it's too late to stop the incoming trainwreck of the war. Rhaenyra needs all the people she can get and Daemon was considered the best warrior of that time so she does need his skills as a commander. As for where Daemon went, a lot of people missed it, but he's mentioned several times he's going to Harrenhall to raise an army for Rhaenyra. I think we're gonna see in the next episodes how Rhaenyra and her team manage while Daemon has been basically benched for now.
When alicent said what they did to my daugther, she ofcourse meant the trauma they gave halaena, but what these guys thought was that they R-worded the twin daugther as they had threatened that in the books and these guys got to know about the book's event. So when they heard alicent their mind went to the books event.
Rhaenyra needs to be tough. Too much kindness will get her killed. I understand she wanna achieve her goals without spilling blood but the greens dont think that way. Aegon said they shouldve just killed her when they had the chance. The greens dont care if rhaenyra dies, they all want her dead except for alicent at this moment. I know killing the baby boy was very wrong. But I am with daemon in this argument. He just wants his house to be strong and not weak. Daemon is rhaenyras best hope and chance to win this war. Yes viserys was a kind king but too weak. He was warned from daemon about the hightowers and he never listened. If he married laena velaryon, there wouldnt be issues like this. Sometimes we cannot predict daemon and he has this bad temper where you dont know what his next move is, but he is right in alot of arguments. If daemon really wanted that throne, he couldve just killed viserys EASILY. Viserys didnt plan to put rhaenyra on the throne. He was trying to have aemma give birth to a son multiple times till she died. He never trained rhaenyra as an heir or kept her close, he procceed to marrying alicent. Daemon is rhaenyras best hope.. The greens already spilled blood by killing lucerys wether its an accident or not. Plus, she wasnt mad at him when they had to kill an innocent man for laenors escape. I also think Blood and Cheese thought that if they cant find aemond, maybe just kill a “son” because its son for a son. I maybe wrong. But thats just what I think 😅
@@jayson1geek479 Thank you so much for agreeing with me. People think I’m just team Daemon but no, if she wants to win this war then daemon is her best chance. How all of a sudden she is mad about what happened but she wasnt mad when they had to kill an innocent man for laenor to escape? Right? I know this is just a show but common sense right?
@@r.gvandaele9652 She is mad because she just lost her own son. Hearing another mother (who is related to her) lost her little son to murdere is compeletley different form the death of some man even if he was innocent. Beeing seen as a child murderess in public is also different form just beeing seen as a murdererss.
@@sawanna508 Blame the writers for the poor writing. If they didn’t cut that part where blood and cheese asked what if aemond is nowhere to be found and lets say for example that daemon did have a respond saying “JUST KILL AEMOND” there wouldnt be an issue right? I bet everyone will be taking daemons side and not rhaenyra because daemon gave a second clear instruction. But we all dont know what daemon really said after or it just happens that they hired two idiots who doesnt understand a simple instruction to kill aemond meaning a “son for a son”... But Rhaenyra and Aegon are both equal AT THIS MOMENT. They wanna say she’s a kinslayer but we have aegon hanging people in public just because he didnt know which ratcatcher is involved is also not a valid reason to hang fathers,sons, brothers. Dont tell me this time that this is okay. A child life is no different from just a random persons life. rhaenyra can get mad all she wants but if she wants to win this war, daemon is her only hope.
I think Aegon was mourning the ‘truth’ that his father wanted him to be king. When Otto laughed and said ‘is that what you think? Your father was right about you.’ Made it real that Alicent lied to put her son on the throne. He had mourned his son already, but now he knows everything he stands on was built off a lie and his father truly did want Rhaenyra to rule. I think part of him knows he isn’t a good king as much as he wants to be. Alicent couldn’t comfort him because she knows his father always preferred Rhaenyra. The ring he was playing with in that scene was his father’s, showing he’s thinking about him.
As a follower of your channel and team green, it's really nice to see your reaction to HOTD for you're probably the only ones not throwing insults or unnecessary hate on the green characters. You're trying to learn and understand their motives and that is refreshing, so thank you!! I enjoy your takes very much 😊
Alicent just meant the trauma Helaena endures from losing her son that way and the men making her give him up. That’s what they did to her. Nothing else happened other than what we saw. She’s just completely traumatised…
If you guys think giving up Daemon is a good idea you are out of your minds. He said it was a mistake. If you kill out everyone who made a mistake there would be no one left. Rhaenyra should have given better direction or any direction at all. If they would work together she would already have her throne back. They are at war, at this point who cares whose fault it is... Go win the war or stfu and bend the knee.
The issue is that daemon is rash and impulsive and doesn’t spare time to think about the consequences of his actions before he does them. He has single-handedly destroyed rhaenyras favour and reputation within the realm. She can’t trust him to carry out her orders or do what’s best to uphold her claim without him acting out rashly.
I have enjoyed the first two episodes so far but I can’t help but notice that it’s a lot more toned down than even last season and definitely more than the original G.O.T series. The 2 mouth drop moments have been way tamer than the book. The Blood and Cheese sequence and now the Twin battle which was way more meaningful in the book. The ending of this TV versions battle was confusing. Not sure why they’ve decided to go that route but will see how the rest of the season goes.
Alicent was talking about Haelena. The trauma they put her through by killing her child un front of her. Shes already fragile. Helaena i mean is fragile.
Someone should have told the show's creators that the protagonist doesn't have to be a holy hero, but they didn't. And they also forgot to tell them that a brutal clash of rich, dense images is ALWAYS preferable to a refined story about victims of circumstances. Even if in the first case all the characters are devils, scoundrels and ambiguous people who took a wrong turn. The Game of thrones has already trodden this road. Tywin, Jaime, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Stannis (our king), Dany, Theon, Euron - all are very far from the ideal personality, to put it mildly. And yet we either love them or love to hate them. But they are what make this story awesome. “House of the Dragons” needed the firm hand of a decisive showrunner who does not bend to today’s fragile audience. Alas
This episode did a really good job of showing how the royal families squables have a ripple effect on their people. We saw the woman telling Aemond that they tend to be the ones who suffer. We see all the ratcatchers being killed, the innocent families mourning them, a woman taken hostage for information and having to barter her freedom and the twins killing one another.
When you watch the show always remember that the greatest asset of the Greens is Vhagar, the greatest asset of the Blacks is Daemon. The show likes to parallel equal things in the same episode. Episode 7 Driftmark" of last season did just that with Daemon and Vhagar. Regarding the question if Daemon told Blood & Cheese to kill the boy: We see Blood confessing everything to Larys. Later Crispin says to Arryk before he commands him to kill Rhaenyra that the assassins were sent to kill Aemmond NOT Jaecaerys. Daemon didn´t lie to Rhaenyra.
daemon feels slighted and anger for viserys passing him over as heir. that conversation/argument revealed the truth between them. however, daemon does love his family (in his own ways) and really hates the hightowers, the greens, more than anything. he always has. despite the issues happening b/t daemon and rhaenyra, i do believe daemon is loyal to his family (the blacks) and will protect them, esp having several kids.
Just give them daemon might have been the single dumbest thing I heard anybody say while watching this show lol she literally has know chance in hell at winning a war without daemon😂
in GOT lore there have been a Lord Commander and Hand at the same time (maybe it was Cole) it depends on the King, anyone can hold multiple positions as ordered.
I don't think Helaena was looking at the 'small folk' and realising their sympathy.. I think she was having a vision.. the way she was looking at the confetti, it kinda looked like ash. If she was, perhaps her vision has something to do with people grieving and ash, which could make sense if there's going to be a war with dragons. Just my guess though.
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Criston has been butthurt that Rhaenyra wouldn’t destroy her entire life to run away with him, just to assuage his guilt. He’s the one who obviously consented to sleep with her. He only regretted it when she made it clear she wasn’t into him.
27:19 I liked the scene with the Twins, there were people who didn't like it because they didn't feel as much about the death of their brothers, but if people aren't sad about that scene, it's because we didn't have that much scene between the two of them because the public cares about the characters for reasons that not everyone They were so emotional in this scene, but that's why the writers are educated, that's why I say it's good, it shows all the characters and shows a lot on the screen because the audience cares about the characters, but for me, I really liked the scene. “We were born together, you separated us. But I still love you brother.” They were born together, were separated by choosing opposite sides in a war but died together. the fact that he can't live in the world knowing that he killed his own brother, that's why he kills himself 😭 “I swear to protect the queen with all my strength. And give my blood for hers.” Ser Erryk was faithful to his oath until his last breath, but living with the burden of taking his beloved brother's life was too high a price and impossible to pay. 💔 Criston Cole, in addition to blaming Arryk for the death of a child HE was supposed to be protecting, made Arryk fight his own brother to the death. the brother he described as "one soul in two bodies." Alicent is a very bad mother, Aemond, Aegon, even Helaena, they are like that, it's because of their mother who never looked at them and never gave them affection, that's why they are all like this, different from Rhaenyra's family, who are all united. is if they love each other. In the scene where Alicent sees Aegon crying he could pick him because he is her son but she often prefers to have sex with her lover than pick her son, this just shows who she really is. That's another thing, it's already good with so many scenes of Alicent's sex is Cristian Col, we, the public, already understand that you want to show that Alicent is a hypocrite and I think it's cool that they are showing why she, and even us books, is envious too, but it's already good with so many scenes like this together, they don't even They showed Corlys' scene with Rhaenys and apparently there won't be Dameon and Rhaenyra, more Alicent and Cristian Col, wow, they actually have a lot of scenes of them having sex, disgusting. justice for Team Black Not satisfied with everything she put Rhaenyra through, Alicent even took her room to fuck Cole... and Aemond took Daemon's. (Wow, how envious these green people are) Alicent only takes Rhaenyra's remains, have you noticed that 😂😂😂 Alicent is very jealous of Rhaenyra and Cristian Col will never get over a NO from Rhaenyra, they are very rotten, they hurt if they deserve it. Now I understand why the critics only talked about this fight (Daemon & Rhaenyra) the whole episode was warm after it was over... Otto's scene with Aegon was great and the twins scene too that's all that was cool about this episode 2. (I liked it of the episode, but I found it more or less, but I hope that episode 3 is better than the first and second)
Blood and cheese in the books was 2 boys, mom pointed at one, the killers killed the opposite and said "see kid, your mom wanted you dead". They changed it because they dont want the audience to asume the kid survives through the story.
For what it's worth (and feel free to disagree) I personally think Daemon's 'a son for a son' meant the King Aegon. He hates Alicent and 'a son' could mean either of her sons not the children. He thinks Alicent murdered Viserys. And if the new King is dead then the war is easier to win for Team Black. Plus Daemon doesn't really have ambition for the throne, he cares more about the strength of their House than his own rise. He loved and hated his brother but wanted him to be a strong ruler. He did not moan when Rhaenyra was named heir, he was pissed that Viserys did not allow Daemon to be hand of the King but did allow his council to manipulate him. Daemon wants his brother love, that is why he surrendered his crown of the stepstones to him. Daemon was literally named a King and gave it up so he could go home to his family. So for Daemon, The Hightowers (Led by Otto as Hand) have essentially infiltrated their family, a Hightower son is King, a Hightower is Hand and Daemon hates that. He is filled with ego and anger but does truly love his family. Definitely not a hero but not exactly a full villain either.
Daemon's been a rather tactful hammer in this show so far, giving permission to murder a child is not as yet in Daemon's character, as much as every viewer is quick to disagree. Especially since the King's heir was not a valuable military asset and Aegon wants all out war now which is what the Blacks were trying to avoid. Even Daemon understands this was dumb, but his reputation of seeming wanton violence is coloring his allies' perception of his actions.
@@KingEhrys98 Bullshit. He's smirking and laughing as he denies not being responsible. He doesn't give a shit, he's clearly happy about this outcome. Daemon has wanted a war the whole time, why do you think he would think it was stupid? This is silly, to be so blinded by the fact that you like the character to completely deny what kind of person they actually are.
Larys Strong probably knows about Cole and Alicent. It's very subtle but in the first episode in the bath scene with the queen you see a maid prepare a tea, we could guess she was preparing this universe's version of the morning after pill (as already seen in season 1 and GoT). Earlier Larys says that he rehired basically the whole staff. The maids had to be told about the tea. Also after seeing the maid make the tea Alicent's mood changes completely, she also came to the conclusion that Larys knows.
they apparently took inspirastion for a royal funeral from Princess Dianas funeral and how little William and Harry were forced to walk behind their mothers coffin,....thats absolutely horrible and traumatizing , now you can only imagine how something like this makes Helaenas depression even worse , her life was hard enough before and now this..
There was definitly a cut scene in the ceremony with Haleana, Alicient and the child. In the teaser for episode 2 you see a scene that was not present in the final episode that we all saw. I don't if I'm relieved to have not see it or not. Also Heleana seems to be on the autism spectrum and it shows by her fear of large group of people, the fact that she doesn't like being touch and generally like to be left alone.
2:16 Aegon broke his father's entire model. Poor Viserys right now, he's probably crying right now because his idiot son is breaking his things. 6:30 Helaena, bewildered, holding Jaehaerys's toy and smelling the blanket she embroidered for him, the same one he used in the funeral procession.💔 That's how much Alicent was so worried about her daughter that the first thing she said to her was her own selfish interest and as if that wasn't enough,she even forced her daughter to participate in the funeral procession knowing it would traumatize her more. 8:33 I liked the funeral scene, it was well recorded,I liked that we saw Halaena's vision, when the carriage got stuck I thought that Jaehaerys' body was going to fall and his head was going to separate hahaha I was scared of that happening. 7:32 I thought it was so pointless the blood crying before larys started torturing 😂😂😂 he was a gold cloak and the most feared... and the guy betrayed the commander without even bleeding? he decapitated a child in cold blood but was afraid of larys? Seriously, just see the script 9:47 The way Jace looks exactly like Daemon at the council table was the best detail!!! I'm going to talk about what Harry Collet, who plays Jace, said about his character. "I think Jace has a spark of Rhaenyra in him, but I also think he has a spark of Daemon [...] He hasn't really had a predominant father figure in his life, so I think he looks up to Daemon a lot." 10:38 This Scene with Daemon made me laugh a lot, He is Genuinely the funniest Character in the House of the Dragon, As if this man was laughing, smiling all proud of what he did until he saw that Rhaenyra was angry and then he said "Listen to me, It was a mistake "😭😭😭 11:39 Rhaenyra saying that she never trusted him doesn't make sense to me because if she never trusted him, then why did she ask him to marry her and tell him that she needed him to protect her? He's the only one who can protect Rhaenyra And another inconsistency: being angry because the daemon was giving his own commands to guarantee the security of the castle after the usurpation because she was giving birth and incapable of making decisions, like she wanted him to wait? What if the hightowers attacked while she was giving birth?🤔 13:04 For a second she thought he had returned. Rhaenyra, Daemon isn't coming back so quickly, you called him a fool and I still tell him to his face that you don't trust him, what would you want, if my beloved called me pathetic after I gave him my world and showed my love with actions on duty, he was going to spend at least some time without seeing me. May my queen forgive me but I'm with the daemon in not giving a damn about the boy who died, nothing would have happened if the greens hadn't stolen Rhaenyra's throne, the greens killed Lucerys,did they think it would stay like that? Now a child on their side has died this is a consequence of what they did Remembering that the first attack was from the Green Team when Aemond killed Lucerys and there is even in the book who started the war in the book and saying that the green team started the war, not the black team. In the part where Daemon says that Viserys was the failure, brother. Yes,Viserys was weak as hell and his political impotence is the cause of the dance. He let Otto and Alicent run wild,he trusted those snakes and an entire Kingdom paid for it. I think all the interactions between the two (Daemon & Rhaenyra) are very dragonlike, you know, as if they were two dragons fighting (the real dragon's blood) "I don't think she [Rhaenyra] realized how bad this is for her [...] She has Daemon by her side and now she doesn't, she will have to reap these consequences in the episodes to come" according to Ryan Condal, a Daemon's departure It will be a great loss for Rhaenyra! Most people who wanted Rhaenyra to get rid of Daemon don't understand that if she hadn't married him, she would have died the second after Viserys died. and the count makes it clear that she will understand what Daemon's mere presence meant, obviously we can't take into consideration everything Ryan says because he and Sara are fragmented... anyway, we'll see. when the two actors are theater children and the direction follows the rhythm without making everything rigid, this happened here in this scene... I even enjoy watching the two actors dance... the sexual tension,disappointment,sadness and anger of the characters 10/10,I don't understand much about technical issues, but I thought the way Clare just followed the actors was really beautiful. “It's very complicated for [Daemon and Rhaenyra] because Rhaenyra feels a great sense of betrayal and a sense of injustice that is being directed at her. Ultimately, it's at the hands of Daemon with his impetuous behavior.” Matt Smith about Daemyra's fight in episode 2 Matt Smith about Daemon in episode 2 “I think the idea that she [Rhaenyra] doesn't trust him [Daemon] feels quite alien to him, because he thinks he's the most trustworthy person in the world for her, genuinely, so he's probably quite hurt by that” “Fatherhood is a very complex idea for him [Daemon] at the moment. He's still in the throes of grief, so I don't think he's a particularly efficient father this season.” - Matt Smith on Daemon's relationship with his children In the scene with Baela and Jace I thought it was cool because it showed more of their relationship, the part I didn't like was when Baela says that she sometimes hates her father, I was like🤷🏾♀️ because in the books, Daemon is a great father but unfortunately, the series' writers prefer to put Daemon as a terrible husband and a terrible father, and that makes me angry because I wanted people to see the other side of Daemon, which in the book there is more in the series, they don't have Harry Collett talking about Jace and Baela "You get to see a whole new side of Jace. This pain is changing him into a different person, but it's also matured him and we get to see these beautiful little moments between Baela and Jace growing as a relationship. It's this scene with Aemond, seriously, you (screenwriters) are going to put him as a poor thing, that's enough Alicent now,even Aemond too, he's a psychopath, bro, in the books,he kills Lucerys on purpose, and when he gets home, he and Aegon and his family green they all make a fuss because Rhaenyra's son died here comes the series makes the boy's death an "Accident" and now makes Aemond "Repentant" for what he did? This is not the psychopathic Aemond of the books. In the scene with Rhaenys and Corlys, I wanted them to show their sex and it's a shame even if they didn't show it, it's another thing for Rhaenys too, who in front of Daemon makes it clear that she hates him and behind him defends him 😂😂😂 typical of even relatives (it hurts if they like their way better) 17:25 In the scene with Rhaenyra and Mysaria I noticed that Rhaenyra was jealous. You can tell just by looking at her posture when she goes to talk to Mysaria, Rhaenyra only freed Mysaria because she discovered that she was Daemon's ex, yes Mysaria's history of slavery/servitude/abuse would make her eventually free her. there, but not as quickly as it was. (Our Queen is so jealous🤭) and Mysaria giving a feminist speech and using Otto and Daemon as equal sides of the same coin? only saw the script Otto shined in this episode. he used his great-grandson's death to gain popular support. he spat in his grandson's face that he wasn't chosen and that his father was right for that. and finally he told Alicent to keep her sins in order to tell the devil because he wasn't interested (and I'm not interested in knowing either) about Alicent's victimhood. Even though she's fighting with her husband, she doesn't take off her ring, I feel bad because of the thickness of it, you can see her bones shining 😂😂😂
Such a Brilliant episode of #HouseOfTheDragon tonight. Very sad how much the family civil war is slowly destroying everyone around them. Sir Eryk is a real one‼️🫡 loving the consequences in this season 👏 the acting is superb. Quality TV by HBO. Bravo 🩸👑⚔️🐉🔥
Good observation by Oak regarding Aemond, but you guys forgot one thing that makes this scene SO much more disturbing. That woman is the same prostitute who appears for a few seconds in ep 9. Remember when Aemond teamed up with Cole to find Aegon and they went to the brothel? She was the one they talked to and Aemond mentioned that Aegon brought him there when he was only 13 and it’s implied that this woman was the one who did it with him back then. So yeah… Now he’s clinging to her in desperate need of any kind of affection, because Alicent is such a terrible mother.
When people say it doesnt follow the book, they do not mean gore. They ment narratively. The killers killed the opposite kid she pointed at, and told the living one what his mom just did. It implies that that kid will grow up remembering that. Hbo changed it because they dont want you to know the kid lives on.
im convinced the acotrs switched places for the death. Erryk has no thinning but Arrk does. Following that it seriously looks like both actors played both characters but Condal says arryk died to erryk. even though it seems the reverse.
They didn't actually do anything to Helaena or her daughter physically, Alicent refers to making Helaena point her son out and murdering him in front of her
I think the writers may have left Alicent’s comment intentionally vague, to satisfy both the book readers and the show-only people. As one of the latter, I assumed she meant that Helaena was ruined by watching her son be murdered. But if the former group wants to interpret it per what happens in the book, by all means. The effect is the same: Alicent shows genuine pain at what has happened to her children/grandchildren. Alicent sucks, but she’s not cold or uncaring. We see it in her facial expressions. She just doesn’t know how to put her care into action.
Hi I´m new to the channel, hello. So In the books is very clear that Daemond goes for one of the kids but just when he finds out that Aegon is not gonna punish Aemond (not justifiying the murder of a child by the way)... So the scene in the books is like this... Helaena takes her 3 children (2 males 1 female) to give a god night kiss to Alicent, in that room is where the assasins show and make Helaena choose which one of the two males is gonna die. First she begs for her kids, then she offers her own live, then under menace that Cheese could be bored and rape princess Jaehaera they make her choose. So Helaena chooses the younger prince, maybe thinking that he is not gonna know what is gonna happen to him and because he is not the first born... So one of the assasins whispers in the prince´s ear: "Do hear that boy? your mama wants you dead" and then they go for the elder prince and the murder happens... So Helaena fells into depression and then she can´t even look after the other kids, first because she thinks that her boy will not forgive her for choosing him and second because as you can see that family is not very good in the sentimental terrain and there is no one that want or can help her in her pain... That´s it sorry for mi english, is not my first language.
I don't know how to put this in a few sentences as possible but that's a very common theme for people who are extremely guilty of something to continue to do it when you hate yourself and you're in the lowest possible place you think you deserve to feel more guilty and you indulge in your worst impulses because for the moment you want to feel some sort of pleasure even if you hate yourself even more afterwards. it's a downward spiral it's common she's a complete hypocrite and we know that by now so these actions fall in line with that anyway. I'm just saying, this is human nature this is how some people react to these kinds of things. just because you're guilty of something and you're trying to confess your guilt doesn't mean you stop doing it.
I think you guys should stop asking about the books. It might confuse you. Yall's predictions are really off as if you didn't watch season 1 and last episode. Maybe its because of "book comments ". Possibly?
First of all...Aegon doing stupidest shit out of rage (which i can get but it's uncontrolable, he's still a kid himself)...killing all rat catchers in kingslanding..so if there's no ratcatchers let's say even in one district (let's call it that) means rats will spread! What rats causing to people? Sickness! Who's more dangerous, dragons or rats? The second of all: Your granson died today...or yesterday! Your son and daughter are going through the most painful pain and trauma of their lives...and instead of hugging her son, support him in anyway or be with Haelenna, she goes to her room and sees him, who's guilty we all know why and chooses to fck with him instead. I get that Alicent has been through horrible things, she had no choice or young life or love! I understand that Cole is the best man she ever had in some kind of way! But Excuse me? Now, at this right moment? Man...
Well some people use sex as a coping mechanism when tehy hurt. And since Alicent dosn't know how to cope with her own emotions how should she know how to confort her children.
i will say there is alot people that immediately speculate that daemon called for a son for a son but we never actually hear him say it but left in the air. he is right about one thing that he did give a description of aemond and that was the original plan. i think its easy for people to bleed the book version to the show version of events into one when showrunner and GRRM himself has said the show version is the accurate story they trying to convay. book version is it clear who he wanted but show it isnt that clear but b&c is called AFTER rhaenyra calls for wanting aemond dead and he even said "vengeance for the murder of the queens son" this refers to her wanting aemond but rhaenyra not trusting is very on brand for a character like him i mean he is called "the rogue prince" for a reason in books (and is GRRMs favorite character in the book). i will say one thing about daemons character is his unpredictable nature is what keeps it interesting in the books and show (no spoilers obvs) like for example him going to harrenhal was always what he wanted to do since finale of S1 because its the strong hold to have and him leaving is still part of the plan to go to harrenhal to still fight for her defense, whether or not rhaenyra trusts him (we saw him do it in the stepstones last season) but one thing you can fault him is his loyalty to his family. he was one of the few people to see through ottos bs since the beginning and viserys didnt and him essentially saying rhaenyra is just like her father is like history repeating himself for him but this time he definitely doesnt want that to happen because lets say she gets her throne and rules with same mindset as viserys its going to be so easy to take it from her again. and in these times in war she kind of needs daemon by her side because having him and her marry from the beginning was the plan anyways to make her claim stronger etc. but it still has happened. and i dont remember who said it your last reaction about daemon only wants the throne still. i mean after 20+ years? yeah definitely not but a person can still be salty at the fact that his brother took it from him even if he wanted it or not and if you remember last season viserys had asked him to return to kingslanding after the death of his wife but daemon said himself that was going to back to pentos with his daughters again before the end of that ep where rhaenrya proposed the idea of marriage. even in this ep rhaenys kind of gets it when talking to corlys that once something was once yours its not easy to let it go and its clear in this ep which i think you might have missed is that he left to harrenhal like plan said he was going to do and if you remember last ep aemond also mentioned how important harrenhal is and that territory so like rhaenys said "if he can get harrenhal all by himself all might be forgiven". even in this ep he still refers to is as "my brothers throne" and rhaenya has to correct him in saying "mine!" he definitely hasnt come to terms that his brother is truly dead and all that was his legacy is gone with aegon on the throne. i mean he believes they killed his brother in the hands of someone hes always had issues with and was hidden from them with no way to bury or see him and then soon after your step son was killed by the hands of the enemy as well. anyway thanks for listening to my ted talk
Cole is the hand of Aegon in the book also. It was mentioned twice that Damon is off to Harrenhall. Did not catch what he had to do there though.... He will do Damon things for sure.... and will never change I think. I'm Team Black but Otto was great this episode. The acting was phenomenal. Plus I did enjoy the fight between Raenyra and Damon a lot. All had to be spoken out. I feel so sorry for Helaena a lot. Poor woman! Great reaction, thank you! 😊
I haven't read the source material, but here are my theories: -Could Alyn & Addam be the illegitimate sons of Lord Corlys? -Larys expected he would be the next Hand. When he finds out about Alicent & Criston, will he blackmail her into marrying him? Especially if there's the possibility of a child.
goddammit aegon. Helaena could have identified the assassin even after he let out his anger on the other dude. Also I love Helaena's character. I'm no expert but I assume she is on the autism spectrum. It's rare for a show to have a neurodivergent woman. Plus avoiding to make her a walking stereotype. The actress is killing it too. She doesn't have a ton of dialogue to work with but she tells a lot about her character with expressions and body language.
I am not convinced this is going to end with a huge battle... I suspect it may be a 1 for 1 till no one is left standing. I have not read Fire and Blood though.
You know, I saw many reactions during this couple of days. And everyone accusing Aegon of his coldness and lack of reaction toward Haleana on stairs. That he blames her. No, people. They are both parents, they're siblings. They know each other. They just can't hold each other, for now or not. And such kind of grieving may happen. Parents may mourning together, separately or get divorced.
I would agree with that if their interactions in previous episodes had not been equally as cold; plus she herself said at the family dinner that he mostly ignores her except for when he's drunk [and wants to lay with her].
Otto mentioned Jahaerys was his grandson but shouldn't it be great grandson, given the lineage as such from Alicent to Aegon? Doesn't make any sense. Did the writers miss out something?
A man could still call his grand children and great grandchildren grandchildren a like in every day language. It's more a legal differnce not so much a sociologicall difference. I mean we also called our great grand mother just granny and when she talked about us or my mother and her siblings she just said grandchidlren. Or Otto calls him grandson to show closeness.
The events in the show were worse than in the book with blood and cheese. Both scenarios ended with the heir being beheaded but in the books it was a swift cut and in the show it seemed to be sawed off with a dull blade. In the book there may have been a mention of grape but none took place and in the book Alicent was checking on her family like a good grandmother and in the show she was getting piped down by Criston who allowed the whole thing to happen by not being on watch.
The guy killed the king’s son, he knows he’s not getting out of this. Might as well just spill everything you know and see if you can get it over with faster.
Another good episode. Thanks to everyone clarifying some things up from 2x1. What was your reaction to this episode? What did we miss?
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Notice the difference in parenting styles between Rhaenyra & Alicent. When Jace returned from the North, Rhaenyra could see how much pain he was in. So she holds & comforts him, as they cried together over Luke's death.
Meanwhile Alicent sees Aegon mourning his son's death & she just walks away, unable or unwilling to comfort him. Instead, she goes right back to sinning with Cristin, like she did the night her grandson was killed in his own bed. Rhaenyra's sons were raised to be caring & decent while Alicent's first two sons turned out to be ruthless & self-serving, much like their uncle Daemon. Alicent also manipulates Halaena to be used as a pawn, just as Otto used her when she ws young. All she seems to care about in this episode is covering her own ass about screwing Cristin every chance she gets. She cares only about her own guilty pleasures "The Gods punish ME!" yet she keeps going back to get another round of sexy time... While I don't care for Otto much, Alicent is simply abhorrent as is Cristin Cole.
@@nancyberry1039 I think you're severely misunderstanding Alicent and her role as a mother. The nature in which Alicent vs Rhaenyra's children were conceived is very important to understand their roles as mothers. Rhaenyra's children were born out of love (Harwin), Alicent was a child bride and the 4 of her children were born out of marital rape from an older man she never wanted to marry.
Her family (alicent, otto, alicents children) all don't know how to communicate emotionally. We see it with Aegon and Helaena, then we see it with Alicent and Otto, then again with Alicent and Aegon, and Aemond only being vulnerable with this woman who kind of looks like his mother, being cradled.
Alicent really isn't the evil witch you guys want her to be. She loves her children but she cannot stomach them sometimes and I get it. Shes incredibly emotionally repressed and was alone for a long time.
I loved it, and you guys rock!
he “Dance of the dragon” event that the show is depicting, isnt a typical story like game of thrones. Its a retelling of the events by different people within the “game of thrones” verse. So when people say “it happened this way in the books” technically no one knows how it really happened because the story is told multiple different ways by biased people on both sides of the war.
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I don't think they did anything to Helaena, I think Alicent just means that they've destroyed her daughter by murdering her son. The child's pain is ended but Heleana's is just beginning, and speaking as a mother, I don't think it could ever end.
These guys are dumb af...
Plus it didn't happen in the book either...it was threatened - but it didn't happen.
When alicent said what they did to my daugther, she ofcourse meant the trauma they gave halaena, but what these guys thought was that they R-worded the twin daugther as they had threatened that in the books and these guys got to know about the book's event. So when they heard alicent their mind went to the books event.
The daughter is already a seer, fragile of mind and emotion soooooo... she's already a mess.
The events in the show were worse than in the book with blood and cheese. Both scenarios ended with the heir being beheaded but in the books it was a swift cut and in the show it seemed to be sawed off with a dull blade. In the book there may have been a mention of grape but none took place and in the book Alicent was checking on her family like a good grandmother and in the show she was getting piped down by Criston who allowed the whole thing to happen by not being on watch.
Mysaria (White Worm) must’ve made it back to warn Erryck that she saw his twin arrive. He had a hunch something was up, but burst through the door yelling “BROTHERRR!” You wouldn’t rush into the Queen’s room with your sword ready on a just hunch like that, so Mysaria must have told him or alerted someone. I hope the next episode will clarify.
I agree, but I think that's implied quite adequately. I'm not sure why people thought Mysaria herself was going to burst into the room. She wouldn't have been able to fight off any of the king's guard, let alone a swordsman like Ser Arryk. I think it's clear she told the guard she was with and he sent word up to the castle. Ser Erryk already had a funny feeling when he walked by his brother hiding (twin stuff), so I'm sure he didn't hesitate when he got the word.
@@chadwheeler8189 Is Ser Arryk an extra skilled kingsguard?
@rexibhazoboa7097 The Cargyll twins are both described as very skilled members in a Kingsguard that's described as one of the best in history that being King Viserys I Kingsguard as below, though, now of course, divided.
Ser Criston Cole (Lord Commander - Greens)
Ser Steffon Darklyn (Lord Commander- Blacks)
Ser Aerryk Cargyll (Greens)
Ser Erryk Cargyll (Blacks)
Ser Lorant Marbrand (Blacks)
Ser Rickard Thorne (Greens)
Ser Willas Fell (Greens)
@@rexibhazoboa7097normally the entire kingsguard is supposed to be the best of the best
Cane corso owner here, they're popular at this time because they're an ancient breed that have been around since Ancient Rome. They used to fight alongside the Romans in packs to take down horses. I figure GoT (Ramsey's dogs) and HotD use them because they align with the historical time period this show draws inspiration from.
im pretty sure we see a pug with woman at the hunt in S1 of HotD so I dont think they mind too much
@@alexanderwiles2003 Pugs have been around since 4th century BC.
Yes! The name of the breed is in Italian too, cane means dog.
@@alexanderwiles2003I think they probably did more research than you did 😅
They Confirmed That Erryk (Rhaenyra) won killing his brother Arryk (Aegon) and then committed suicide. He was asking Forgiveness from his Queen and his Brother.
wqas that ever in question? Arryk wouldn't call a queen he thinks is a usurper your grace.
@@Pj123426 you would not believe how many people think it’s Arryk. Saying he realized his mistake after he killed Erryk and chose Rhaenyra in the end, then asked for forgiveness before killing himself.
Where was it confirmed? My sister and I can't agree on who won
@@kat309 Decider, the showrunner Ryan Condal confirmed it.
Imagine going so far as to attempt to kill your own brother to kill Rhaenyra but not killing Rhaenyra after succeeding in that. That would make killing your brother pointless.
What I'm trying to say is that it was Rhaenyra's Kingsguard who won. @@kat309
Mysaria's scar is from the collar she was forced to wear as a child in one of the slave cities that Daenerys will free later in GoT.
Otto was few reasons away from sailing to dragonstone and serving rhaenyra
Otto is so similar to tywin… brilliant, but far too callous with his family. If only he had shown love to his daugther i think everything would have been different
@@GustavoCardoso95 oh 100% agreed! Just like tywin, his family will be his downfall
I mean he always did like her but she wasn’t blood related to him (I don’t think he’s actually against women ruling but it did serve him to use that against her).
If the Greens loose the war so does the Hightowers. His own house is far too invested in the Crown as married into it for him to ever have a reason to switch sides.
@@K.O.7239 Other than that Tywin had a LOT more authority in his demeanor. I would fail miserably trying to stand up to Tywin lol
As much as it was satisfying to watch Otto give Aegon a proper dressing down, he such a hypocrite while doing it. He gets mad abt the rat catchers, never mind what he did to the nobles last season. He gets mad that Aegon and Cole conspired to kill Rhaenyra when he himself conspired to do so last season. Aegon never wanted this, was never prepared for this, and now his son is dead. And then Otto brings up Viserys as some great king, acting like Aegon should respect the father who cared more about his lego set than his children.
RIGHT? I cant believe so many people are siding with him and then bashing Alicent. He is the monster begind everything. Now it is all falling out of his grasp and he decides to go dip to Oldtown
that's definitely true, I agree.
but he's still right about almost everything he said. it's just ridiculous that he's the one saying it and doing it after everything that he's done. he's definitely a hypocrite but viserys was still a better man than aegon. not the ideal and best king, but probably still better all things considered.
My heart broke for the twins 😭🥲 Also Aegon breaking down and Alicent just walking away was so sad....the convo between Daemon and Rhyneara (sp?) was some great acting as well as between Aegon and Otto when Aegon dismisses him. There are some top tier phenomenal actors in this show. 💜
The greens has worse family communication than an Asian family. It's nuts
It’s ironically why I’ll always be Team Green. Political correctness and morality aside, the messiness is just so juicy and painful lol.
@@lynnraven6101 It very is.
The master of coin should spare some funds to get them a family therapist because this is next level dysfunctional 😭
Why are you being racist though. Smh do better 🤡
@@lynnraven6101 This show is so biased towards TB that they all bad thinks they did so we left with bland and boring side because they want Rahnyra to be like Danerys in earlier seasons
This episode and episode one showed me the vast difference in parenting styles when it comes to Rhaenyra and Alicent. When Rhaenyra saw Jace was hurting over Luke she instantly went to comfort him, however, when Alicent saw that Aegon was understandably distraught over losing his son Alicent turned and walked away. While I believe Alicent loves her children, it's clear she's not the best mother.
@qwanellpullins9883 Exactly this. Alicent never truly knew how to be a mother to her children (not her necessarily her fault having grown up without one, but still). Even on the 3rd episode of the 1st season where baby Aegon is crying in the carriage on the way to the hunt, she hands him off to her handmaiden once he gets fussy. Cue to the 9th episode again in the carriage on the way to Aegon's crowning (As I type this i realize the brilliance in the writing for this parallel!) and Aegon asks Alicent if she loves him and all she does is scowl roll her eyes and call him an imbecile. They did a great job last season showing the difference in how Alicent and Rhaenyra are mothers to their children and effects of it. I love that it's showing now in this season even with Aegon now not knowing how to be affectionate and/or comfort Halaena on the stairs. Even Aemond calling Alicent by her name and not as his mother. Viserys is also to blame for not really engaging with his children with Alicent in any meaningful way as well, because of his guilt for Aemma and Rhaenyra. Whew the dysfunction jumped out!
@@kllrj08 In Viserys' defense he did think Rhaenyra was his only child 🤭🤭🤭
@@qwanellpullins9883 and did! Lol
Oh, my dear sweet Helaena… She didn’t deserve anything she went through. :( My heart breaks for her every time I read of her in the book, and now it’s breaking for her all over again in the show. The pure panic in her eyes as the cart gets stuck… Gods, Phia is like a Renaissance painting, her eyes scream so much without her having to say anything.
Daeron the Daring, the youngest son of Alicent and Viserys.
He lives! Daeron exists!! We can get Tumbleton now!! Now the show needs to bring on Benjicot and the lads!
We can expect to see Benjicot Blackwood in Episode 3@@corvus2512
Otto be Plotto as always. Mr. Davies' performance is just *chef's kiss*.
someone else commented that they probably use Cane Corsos because historically, that particular dog breed would have existed in the time period this fictional series is set in. I totally agree with that, since as far as I know, German shepherds didn’t come in until the end of the 19th century-so if y’all have been watching a few films/series set earlier in history that would explain why you’ve been seeing cane corsos over German shepherds
I COMPLETELY zoned out and then like spiderman sensing a crime happening, i heard oak say something about "mom's foot fetish guy" and it snapped me back into reality like a cold plunge
Aegon II weeps because, on top of his son's death, he just found out that he was not the rightful heir.
There was alot of debate who won the fight, I think the showrunners said errek(Rhys queensguard) killed his brother(aegons kingsguard)
Yeah, Ryan Condal confirmed that Erryk killed Arryk and then took himself out.
I feel like it’s pretty obvious if you follow the dialogue, the one that says “you parted us” is the one that is killed. The one that “parted” them did so by leaving KL for Rhaenyra
@@drew6479 yeah, unfortunately there is a lot of people who say it was Arryk. They say He chooses Rhaenyra after killing Erryk and then begs her for forgiveness before killing himself. Some even try to make slow-mo videos to prove it.
The showrunners need to shut the fuck up and let the show speak for itself. I'm tired of hearing what the showrunners say.
The whole point here is that *it does not matter* which was which. They were both extremely rare examples of true knights put in an impossible position.
It matters not which survived initially.
The Dialogue between Otto Hightower & King Aegon in that scene was done so well! & the twins sword battle was brutal, You could tell neither wanted to fight each other but had no choice, but never expected Eric to do that to himself after! 😮 & its going to ve very interesting to see what Daemon does next & how Cristen Cole handles being the Hand to the king now.
Quinn "his no Joffey" & the wink he did in the full reaction, really enjoyed watching it! 😊💚
“Never trust a Japser……
….we learned that in Twilight”
😂😂 I love it
"GIve them Daemon"
Might as well surrender before the war even starts. Dude carries Team Black even with all the going off script and doing shit without authorization.
Interesting little side note: Erryk and Arryk were the characters from this show introduced earliest in the original ASOIAF books, and I think mentioned the most. They're eventually regarded as legendary knights of the Kingsguard, the original GoT characters study them in their history lessons, and there's a set of twins named Erryk and Arryk presumably after these two. Just thought that was a cool connection :P
WARNING BOOK STUFF: So the book this is based on is written from the point of view of a Maester writing history based on accounts from different sources that often conflict. So the book story itself in terms of the details and motivations is really an unreliable source of the full truth. So all the private conversations and revealing of individual motivations and hidden actions is some of the cool stuff the show can fill in that is not in the books. As far as what the show portrays accurate to the books the only thing I can recall is the hanging of all the rat catchers, Otto's dismissal and Cole given Hand of the King and the great fight between the twin brothers which has very different accounts from 2 sources that the show manages to draw some truth from each. The funeral procession is not mentioned. As far as the Blood & Cheese incident nothing happened to Halaena other that of course her son being murdered but in the books the extra horror is they have another son that is not in the show and Alicent is gagged and present in the room. B&C force Halaena to choose which son should be murdered or else they all get killed. Halaena reluctantly chooses the younger son Maegor and Cheese whispers in his ear "you hear that, your Mom wants you dead" and they kill the elder son Jahaerys. Halaena has visions of the future but is not anything like a long view schemer a la Otto, she is portrayed as on the spectrum in the show. Great reaction guys, there are so many huge events to come I cannot wait to see!
Lol even if Rhaenyra gave the greens Daemon, it's too late to stop the incoming trainwreck of the war.
Rhaenyra needs all the people she can get and Daemon was considered the best warrior of that time so she does need his skills as a commander. As for where Daemon went, a lot of people missed it, but he's mentioned several times he's going to Harrenhall to raise an army for Rhaenyra. I think we're gonna see in the next episodes how Rhaenyra and her team manage while Daemon has been basically benched for now.
Guys give them Daemon😅. Rhaenyra needs Daemon more now then ever. How is a solution 😅
EXACTLY.
When alicent said what they did to my daugther, she ofcourse meant the trauma they gave halaena, but what these guys thought was that they R-worded the twin daugther as they had threatened that in the books and these guys got to know about the book's event. So when they heard alicent their mind went to the books event.
7:01 "Strategery" 😂 I could just hug him.
In my opinion, Larys likes chaos
He's a mix of Varys and Littlefinger.
You know, “chaos is a ladder”.
Rhaenyra needs to be tough. Too much kindness will get her killed. I understand she wanna achieve her goals without spilling blood but the greens dont think that way. Aegon said they shouldve just killed her when they had the chance. The greens dont care if rhaenyra dies, they all want her dead except for alicent at this moment. I know killing the baby boy was very wrong. But I am with daemon in this argument. He just wants his house to be strong and not weak. Daemon is rhaenyras best hope and chance to win this war. Yes viserys was a kind king but too weak. He was warned from daemon about the hightowers and he never listened. If he married laena velaryon, there wouldnt be issues like this. Sometimes we cannot predict daemon and he has this bad temper where you dont know what his next move is, but he is right in alot of arguments. If daemon really wanted that throne, he couldve just killed viserys EASILY. Viserys didnt plan to put rhaenyra on the throne. He was trying to have aemma give birth to a son multiple times till she died. He never trained rhaenyra as an heir or kept her close, he procceed to marrying alicent. Daemon is rhaenyras best hope.. The greens already spilled blood by killing lucerys wether its an accident or not. Plus, she wasnt mad at him when they had to kill an innocent man for laenors escape.
I also think Blood and Cheese thought that if they cant find aemond, maybe just kill a “son” because its son for a son. I maybe wrong. But thats just what I think 😅
DAMON WAS TRYING TO SHOW RHAENYRA THIS VERY THING BUT SHE IS NOT SEEING IT
@@jayson1geek479 Thank you so much for agreeing with me. People think I’m just team Daemon but no, if she wants to win this war then daemon is her best chance. How all of a sudden she is mad about what happened but she wasnt mad when they had to kill an innocent man for laenor to escape? Right? I know this is just a show but common sense right?
@@r.gvandaele9652 right ✅️
@@r.gvandaele9652 She is mad because she just lost her own son. Hearing another mother (who is related to her) lost her little son to murdere is compeletley different form the death of some man even if he was innocent. Beeing seen as a child murderess in public is also different form just beeing seen as a murdererss.
@@sawanna508 Blame the writers for the poor writing. If they didn’t cut that part where blood and cheese asked what if aemond is nowhere to be found and lets say for example that daemon did have a respond saying “JUST KILL AEMOND” there wouldnt be an issue right? I bet everyone will be taking daemons side and not rhaenyra because daemon gave a second clear instruction. But we all dont know what daemon really said after or it just happens that they hired two idiots who doesnt understand a simple instruction to kill aemond meaning a “son for a son”... But Rhaenyra and Aegon are both equal AT THIS MOMENT. They wanna say she’s a kinslayer but we have aegon hanging people in public just because he didnt know which ratcatcher is involved is also not a valid reason to hang fathers,sons, brothers. Dont tell me this time that this is okay. A child life is no different from just a random persons life. rhaenyra can get mad all she wants but if she wants to win this war, daemon is her only hope.
Fun fact, Otto Hightower is the same actor that played Luna Lovegood’s dad in Harry Potter!
Wow! That's a cool fact. Thanks for sharing
I think Aegon was mourning the ‘truth’ that his father wanted him to be king. When Otto laughed and said ‘is that what you think? Your father was right about you.’ Made it real that Alicent lied to put her son on the throne. He had mourned his son already, but now he knows everything he stands on was built off a lie and his father truly did want Rhaenyra to rule. I think part of him knows he isn’t a good king as much as he wants to be. Alicent couldn’t comfort him because she knows his father always preferred Rhaenyra. The ring he was playing with in that scene was his father’s, showing he’s thinking about him.
Well now we know why the King's Landing model doesn't appear in GoT. LOL
First time I have ever felt any empathy for Otto. The actor was so great in this episode.
Aegons actor is making it hard to not root for him, the guy is killing it
Yes. Tom is such a good actor. Hope his future will be bright
The actor is good but Aegon is an idiot😅
Very good actor but no way can I root for him! lol!
They're all killing it
As a follower of your channel and team green, it's really nice to see your reaction to HOTD for you're probably the only ones not throwing insults or unnecessary hate on the green characters. You're trying to learn and understand their motives and that is refreshing, so thank you!! I enjoy your takes very much 😊
Alicent just meant the trauma Helaena endures from losing her son that way and the men making her give him up. That’s what they did to her. Nothing else happened other than what we saw. She’s just completely traumatised…
If you guys think giving up Daemon is a good idea you are out of your minds. He said it was a mistake. If you kill out everyone who made a mistake there would be no one left. Rhaenyra should have given better direction or any direction at all. If they would work together she would already have her throne back. They are at war, at this point who cares whose fault it is... Go win the war or stfu and bend the knee.
Exactly...if Rhaenyra looses Daemon, Team Black is done!!
The issue is that daemon is rash and impulsive and doesn’t spare time to think about the consequences of his actions before he does them. He has single-handedly destroyed rhaenyras favour and reputation within the realm. She can’t trust him to carry out her orders or do what’s best to uphold her claim without him acting out rashly.
except it wasn’t a mistake, daemon wanted them to kill the boy
@DavyJones_ no he didn't
Certainly an odd take from them… you’re gonna give up your best warrior that rides the most vicious dragon?
I have enjoyed the first two episodes so far but I can’t help but notice that it’s a lot more toned down than even last season and definitely more than the original G.O.T series. The 2 mouth drop moments have been way tamer than the book. The Blood and Cheese sequence and now the Twin battle which was way more meaningful in the book. The ending of this TV versions battle was confusing. Not sure why they’ve decided to go that route but will see how the rest of the season goes.
Alicent was talking about Haelena. The trauma they put her through by killing her child un front of her. Shes already fragile. Helaena i mean is fragile.
Someone should have told the show's creators that the protagonist doesn't have to be a holy hero, but they didn't. And they also forgot to tell them that a brutal clash of rich, dense images is ALWAYS preferable to a refined story about victims of circumstances. Even if in the first case all the characters are devils, scoundrels and ambiguous people who took a wrong turn. The Game of thrones has already trodden this road. Tywin, Jaime, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Stannis (our king), Dany, Theon, Euron - all are very far from the ideal personality, to put it mildly. And yet we either love them or love to hate them. But they are what make this story awesome. “House of the Dragons” needed the firm hand of a decisive showrunner who does not bend to today’s fragile audience. Alas
This episode did a really good job of showing how the royal families squables have a ripple effect on their people. We saw the woman telling Aemond that they tend to be the ones who suffer. We see all the ratcatchers being killed, the innocent families mourning them, a woman taken hostage for information and having to barter her freedom and the twins killing one another.
You know Daemon gonna Daemon the Qween just realized she'll never be able to control him💯
The criston cole actor have turn off his comment due to a lot of hate
Oh for god sake, what’s wrong with people? Are they so stupid not to realise what an actor is?? Do they seriously think Criston is a real person?😒
hazard of the work
I hate his character so much but to go harass a great actor over it.. people have lost their damn minds and sense of reality...
The head of that child was secured for the most part. Jeremy Jahns was worried about the body falling from the cart when it got stuck in the mud hole
When you watch the show always remember that the greatest asset of the Greens is Vhagar, the greatest asset of the Blacks is Daemon. The show likes to parallel equal things in the same episode. Episode 7 Driftmark" of last season did just that with Daemon and Vhagar.
Regarding the question if Daemon told Blood & Cheese to kill the boy: We see Blood confessing everything to Larys. Later Crispin says to Arryk before he commands him to kill Rhaenyra that the assassins were sent to kill Aemmond NOT Jaecaerys. Daemon didn´t lie to Rhaenyra.
daemon feels slighted and anger for viserys passing him over as heir. that conversation/argument revealed the truth between them. however, daemon does love his family (in his own ways) and really hates the hightowers, the greens, more than anything. he always has. despite the issues happening b/t daemon and rhaenyra, i do believe daemon is loyal to his family (the blacks) and will protect them, esp having several kids.
Just give them daemon might have been the single dumbest thing I heard anybody say while watching this show lol she literally has know chance in hell at winning a war without daemon😂
RIGHT!!
I'm just gonna say Wonderful reaction I loved it! ❤️
in GOT lore there have been a Lord Commander and Hand at the same time (maybe it was Cole) it depends on the King, anyone can hold multiple positions as ordered.
I don't think Helaena was looking at the 'small folk' and realising their sympathy.. I think she was having a vision.. the way she was looking at the confetti, it kinda looked like ash. If she was, perhaps her vision has something to do with people grieving and ash, which could make sense if there's going to be a war with dragons. Just my guess though.
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Criston has been butthurt that Rhaenyra wouldn’t destroy her entire life to run away with him, just to assuage his guilt. He’s the one who obviously consented to sleep with her. He only regretted it when she made it clear she wasn’t into him.
I was confused for a moment thinking who the hell is Joffey lol. Then I realised Oak meant Joffery from the original series, GoT 😅
mysara warned Erikk offscreen i believe
27:19 I liked the scene with the Twins, there were people who didn't like it because they didn't feel as much about the death of their brothers, but if people aren't sad about that scene, it's because we didn't have that much scene between the two of them because the public cares about the characters for reasons that not everyone They were so emotional in this scene, but that's why the writers are educated, that's why I say it's good, it shows all the characters and shows a lot on the screen because the audience cares about the characters, but for me, I really liked the scene.
“We were born together, you separated us. But I still love you brother.”
They were born together, were separated by choosing opposite sides in a war but died together.
the fact that he can't live in the world knowing that he killed his own brother, that's why he kills himself 😭
“I swear to protect the queen with all my strength. And give my blood for hers.”
Ser Erryk was faithful to his oath until his last breath, but living with the burden of taking his beloved brother's life was too high a price and impossible to pay. 💔
Criston Cole, in addition to blaming Arryk for the death of a child HE was supposed to be protecting, made Arryk fight his own brother to the death. the brother he described as "one soul in two bodies."
Alicent is a very bad mother, Aemond, Aegon, even Helaena, they are like that, it's because of their mother who never looked at them and never gave them affection, that's why they are all like this, different from Rhaenyra's family, who are all united. is if they love each other. In the scene where Alicent sees Aegon crying he could pick him because he is her son but she often prefers to have sex with her lover than pick her son, this just shows who she really is. That's another thing, it's already good with so many scenes of Alicent's sex is Cristian Col, we, the public, already understand that you want to show that Alicent is a hypocrite and I think it's cool that they are showing why she, and even us books, is envious too, but it's already good with so many scenes like this together, they don't even They showed Corlys' scene with Rhaenys and apparently there won't be Dameon and Rhaenyra, more Alicent and Cristian Col, wow, they actually have a lot of scenes of them having sex, disgusting. justice for Team Black
Not satisfied with everything she put Rhaenyra through, Alicent even took her room to fuck Cole... and Aemond took Daemon's. (Wow, how envious these green people are) Alicent only takes Rhaenyra's remains, have you noticed that 😂😂😂 Alicent is very jealous of Rhaenyra and Cristian Col will never get over a NO from Rhaenyra, they are very rotten, they hurt if they deserve it.
Now I understand why the critics only talked about this fight (Daemon & Rhaenyra) the whole episode was warm after it was over... Otto's scene with Aegon was great and the twins scene too that's all that was cool about this episode 2. (I liked it of the episode, but I found it more or less, but I hope that episode 3 is better than the first and second)
Blood and cheese in the books was 2 boys, mom pointed at one, the killers killed the opposite and said "see kid, your mom wanted you dead". They changed it because they dont want the audience to asume the kid survives through the story.
For what it's worth (and feel free to disagree) I personally think Daemon's 'a son for a son' meant the King Aegon. He hates Alicent and 'a son' could mean either of her sons not the children. He thinks Alicent murdered Viserys. And if the new King is dead then the war is easier to win for Team Black.
Plus Daemon doesn't really have ambition for the throne, he cares more about the strength of their House than his own rise. He loved and hated his brother but wanted him to be a strong ruler. He did not moan when Rhaenyra was named heir, he was pissed that Viserys did not allow Daemon to be hand of the King but did allow his council to manipulate him. Daemon wants his brother love, that is why he surrendered his crown of the stepstones to him. Daemon was literally named a King and gave it up so he could go home to his family.
So for Daemon, The Hightowers (Led by Otto as Hand) have essentially infiltrated their family, a Hightower son is King, a Hightower is Hand and Daemon hates that.
He is filled with ego and anger but does truly love his family. Definitely not a hero but not exactly a full villain either.
In the book, the intended target was Aegon's children.
Daemon's been a rather tactful hammer in this show so far, giving permission to murder a child is not as yet in Daemon's character, as much as every viewer is quick to disagree. Especially since the King's heir was not a valuable military asset and Aegon wants all out war now which is what the Blacks were trying to avoid. Even Daemon understands this was dumb, but his reputation of seeming wanton violence is coloring his allies' perception of his actions.
@@KingEhrys98 Bullshit. He's smirking and laughing as he denies not being responsible. He doesn't give a shit, he's clearly happy about this outcome.
Daemon has wanted a war the whole time, why do you think he would think it was stupid? This is silly, to be so blinded by the fact that you like the character to completely deny what kind of person they actually are.
Larys Strong probably knows about Cole and Alicent. It's very subtle but in the first episode in the bath scene with the queen you see a maid prepare a tea, we could guess she was preparing this universe's version of the morning after pill (as already seen in season 1 and GoT). Earlier Larys says that he rehired basically the whole staff. The maids had to be told about the tea. Also after seeing the maid make the tea Alicent's mood changes completely, she also came to the conclusion that Larys knows.
20:50 yep. Viserys was the thread that's considered too weak but in fact holding the realm together.
I truly love that you all read the comments and genuinely love your supporters. It’s honestly one of my favorite things about your channel.
I love how everybody thought the boy's head was going to fall at that moment lmao
Everyone collectively felt with absolute certainty that his head was going to come off when the carriage got stuck!!!
I love when oak gets worked up! 😂 I’m glad y’all are having fun and I love rewatching the show with ya
they apparently took inspirastion for a royal funeral from Princess Dianas funeral and how little William and Harry were forced to walk behind their mothers coffin,....thats absolutely horrible and traumatizing , now you can only imagine how something like this makes Helaenas depression even worse , her life was hard enough before and now this..
There was definitly a cut scene in the ceremony with Haleana, Alicient and the child. In the teaser for episode 2 you see a scene that was not present in the final episode that we all saw. I don't if I'm relieved to have not see it or not.
Also Heleana seems to be on the autism spectrum and it shows by her fear of large group of people, the fact that she doesn't like being touch and generally like to be left alone.
I don’t think they implied they did anything physical to Helaena since we saw that didn’t happen. I think she meant emotionally and physically.
2:16 Aegon broke his father's entire model. Poor Viserys right now, he's probably crying right now because his idiot son is breaking his things.
6:30 Helaena, bewildered, holding Jaehaerys's toy and smelling the blanket she embroidered for him, the same one he used in the funeral procession.💔 That's how much Alicent was so worried about her daughter that the first thing she said to her was her own selfish interest and as if that wasn't enough,she even forced her daughter to participate in the funeral procession knowing it would traumatize her more.
8:33 I liked the funeral scene, it was well recorded,I liked that we saw Halaena's vision, when the carriage got stuck I thought that Jaehaerys' body was going to fall and his head was going to separate hahaha I was scared of that happening.
7:32 I thought it was so pointless the blood crying before larys started torturing 😂😂😂 he was a gold cloak and the most feared... and the guy betrayed the commander without even bleeding? he decapitated a child in cold blood but was afraid of larys? Seriously, just see the script
9:47 The way Jace looks exactly like Daemon at the council table was the best detail!!!
I'm going to talk about what Harry Collet, who plays Jace, said about his character. "I think Jace has a spark of Rhaenyra in him, but I also think he has a spark of Daemon [...] He hasn't really had a predominant father figure in his life, so I think he looks up to Daemon a lot."
10:38 This Scene with Daemon made me laugh a lot, He is Genuinely the funniest Character in the House of the Dragon, As if this man was laughing, smiling all proud of what he did until he saw that Rhaenyra was angry and then he said "Listen to me, It was a mistake "😭😭😭
11:39 Rhaenyra saying that she never trusted him doesn't make sense to me because if she never trusted him, then why did she ask him to marry her and tell him that she needed him to protect her? He's the only one who can protect Rhaenyra
And another inconsistency: being angry because the daemon was giving his own commands to guarantee the security of the castle after the usurpation because she was giving birth and incapable of making decisions, like she wanted him to wait? What if the hightowers attacked while she was giving birth?🤔
13:04 For a second she thought he had returned. Rhaenyra, Daemon isn't coming back so quickly, you called him a fool and I still tell him to his face that you don't trust him, what would you want, if my beloved called me pathetic after I gave him my world and showed my love with actions on duty, he was going to spend at least some time without seeing me.
May my queen forgive me but I'm with the daemon in not giving a damn about the boy who died, nothing would have happened if the greens hadn't stolen Rhaenyra's throne, the greens killed Lucerys,did they think it would stay like that? Now a child on their side has died this is a consequence of what they did
Remembering that the first attack was from the Green Team when Aemond killed Lucerys and there is even in the book who started the war in the book and saying that the green team started the war, not the black team.
In the part where Daemon says that Viserys was the failure, brother. Yes,Viserys was weak as hell and his political impotence is the cause of the dance. He let Otto and Alicent run wild,he trusted those snakes and an entire Kingdom paid for it.
I think all the interactions between the two (Daemon & Rhaenyra) are very dragonlike, you know, as if they were two dragons fighting (the real dragon's blood)
"I don't think she [Rhaenyra] realized how bad this is for her [...] She has Daemon by her side and now she doesn't, she will have to reap these consequences in the episodes to come" according to Ryan Condal, a Daemon's departure It will be a great loss for Rhaenyra!
Most people who wanted Rhaenyra to get rid of Daemon don't understand that if she hadn't married him, she would have died the second after Viserys died. and the count makes it clear that she will understand what Daemon's mere presence meant, obviously we can't take into consideration everything Ryan says because he and Sara are fragmented... anyway, we'll see.
when the two actors are theater children and the direction follows the rhythm without making everything rigid, this happened here in this scene... I even enjoy watching the two actors dance... the sexual tension,disappointment,sadness and anger of the characters 10/10,I don't understand much about technical issues, but I thought the way Clare just followed the actors was really beautiful.
“It's very complicated for [Daemon and Rhaenyra] because Rhaenyra feels a great sense of betrayal and a sense of injustice that is being directed at her. Ultimately, it's at the hands of Daemon with his impetuous behavior.” Matt Smith about Daemyra's fight in episode 2
Matt Smith about Daemon in episode 2
“I think the idea that she [Rhaenyra] doesn't trust him [Daemon] feels quite alien to him, because he thinks he's the most trustworthy person in the world for her, genuinely, so he's probably quite hurt by that”
“Fatherhood is a very complex idea for him [Daemon] at the moment. He's still in the throes of grief, so I don't think he's a particularly efficient father this season.” - Matt Smith on Daemon's relationship with his children
In the scene with Baela and Jace I thought it was cool because it showed more of their relationship, the part I didn't like was when Baela says that she sometimes hates her father, I was like🤷🏾♀️ because in the books, Daemon is a great father but unfortunately, the series' writers prefer to put Daemon as a terrible husband and a terrible father, and that makes me angry because I wanted people to see the other side of Daemon, which in the book there is more in the series, they don't have
Harry Collett talking about Jace and Baela
"You get to see a whole new side of Jace. This pain is changing him into a different person, but it's also matured him and we get to see these beautiful little moments between Baela and Jace growing as a relationship.
It's this scene with Aemond, seriously, you (screenwriters) are going to put him as a poor thing, that's enough Alicent now,even Aemond too, he's a psychopath, bro, in the books,he kills Lucerys on purpose, and when he gets home, he and Aegon and his family green they all make a fuss because Rhaenyra's son died here comes the series makes the boy's death an "Accident" and now makes Aemond "Repentant" for what he did? This is not the psychopathic Aemond of the books.
In the scene with Rhaenys and Corlys, I wanted them to show their sex and it's a shame even if they didn't show it, it's another thing for Rhaenys too, who in front of Daemon makes it clear that she hates him and behind him defends him 😂😂😂 typical of even relatives (it hurts if they like their way better)
17:25 In the scene with Rhaenyra and Mysaria I noticed that Rhaenyra was jealous. You can tell just by looking at her posture when she goes to talk to Mysaria, Rhaenyra only freed Mysaria because she discovered that she was Daemon's ex, yes Mysaria's history of slavery/servitude/abuse would make her eventually free her. there, but not as quickly as it was. (Our Queen is so jealous🤭)
and Mysaria giving a feminist speech and using Otto and Daemon as equal sides of the same coin? only saw the script
Otto shined in this episode. he used his great-grandson's death to gain popular support. he spat in his grandson's face that he wasn't chosen and that his father was right for that. and finally he told Alicent to keep her sins in order to tell the devil because he wasn't interested (and I'm not interested in knowing either) about Alicent's victimhood.
Even though she's fighting with her husband, she doesn't take off her ring, I feel bad because of the thickness of it, you can see her bones shining 😂😂😂
No, don't give them Daemon. He's been to war and Rhaenyra needs him.
Such a Brilliant episode of #HouseOfTheDragon tonight. Very sad how much the family civil war is slowly destroying everyone around them. Sir Eryk is a real one‼️🫡 loving the consequences in this season 👏 the acting is superb. Quality TV by HBO. Bravo 🩸👑⚔️🐉🔥
Good observation by Oak regarding Aemond, but you guys forgot one thing that makes this scene SO much more disturbing.
That woman is the same prostitute who appears for a few seconds in ep 9. Remember when Aemond teamed up with Cole to find Aegon and they went to the brothel? She was the one they talked to and Aemond mentioned that Aegon brought him there when he was only 13 and it’s implied that this woman was the one who did it with him back then. So yeah… Now he’s clinging to her in desperate need of any kind of affection, because Alicent is such a terrible mother.
When people say it doesnt follow the book, they do not mean gore. They ment narratively. The killers killed the opposite kid she pointed at, and told the living one what his mom just did. It implies that that kid will grow up remembering that.
Hbo changed it because they dont want you to know the kid lives on.
im convinced the acotrs switched places for the death. Erryk has no thinning but Arrk does. Following that it seriously looks like both actors played both characters but Condal says arryk died to erryk. even though it seems the reverse.
They didn't actually do anything to Helaena or her daughter physically, Alicent refers to making Helaena point her son out and murdering him in front of her
I think the writers may have left Alicent’s comment intentionally vague, to satisfy both the book readers and the show-only people.
As one of the latter, I assumed she meant that Helaena was ruined by watching her son be murdered.
But if the former group wants to interpret it per what happens in the book, by all means. The effect is the same: Alicent shows genuine pain at what has happened to her children/grandchildren.
Alicent sucks, but she’s not cold or uncaring. We see it in her facial expressions.
She just doesn’t know how to put her care into action.
5:58 can we take a moment to appreciate Alicent's hypocrisy! She just admitted her grandson will be a spectacle.. Great.
Hi I´m new to the channel, hello. So In the books is very clear that Daemond goes for one of the kids but just when he finds out that Aegon is not gonna punish Aemond (not justifiying the murder of a child by the way)... So the scene in the books is like this... Helaena takes her 3 children (2 males 1 female) to give a god night kiss to Alicent, in that room is where the assasins show and make Helaena choose which one of the two males is gonna die. First she begs for her kids, then she offers her own live, then under menace that Cheese could be bored and rape princess Jaehaera they make her choose. So Helaena chooses the younger prince, maybe thinking that he is not gonna know what is gonna happen to him and because he is not the first born... So one of the assasins whispers in the prince´s ear: "Do hear that boy? your mama wants you dead" and then they go for the elder prince and the murder happens... So Helaena fells into depression and then she can´t even look after the other kids, first because she thinks that her boy will not forgive her for choosing him and second because as you can see that family is not very good in the sentimental terrain and there is no one that want or can help her in her pain...
That´s it sorry for mi english, is not my first language.
I don't know how to put this in a few sentences as possible but that's a very common theme for people who are extremely guilty of something to continue to do it when you hate yourself and you're in the lowest possible place you think you deserve to feel more guilty and you indulge in your worst impulses because for the moment you want to feel some sort of pleasure even if you hate yourself even more afterwards. it's a downward spiral it's common
she's a complete hypocrite and we know that by now so these actions fall in line with that anyway.
I'm just saying, this is human nature this is how some people react to these kinds of things. just because you're guilty of something and you're trying to confess your guilt doesn't mean you stop doing it.
I think you guys should stop asking about the books. It might confuse you. Yall's predictions are really off as if you didn't watch season 1 and last episode. Maybe its because of "book comments ". Possibly?
First of all...Aegon doing stupidest shit out of rage (which i can get but it's uncontrolable, he's still a kid himself)...killing all rat catchers in kingslanding..so if there's no ratcatchers let's say even in one district (let's call it that) means rats will spread! What rats causing to people? Sickness! Who's more dangerous, dragons or rats? The second of all: Your granson died today...or yesterday! Your son and daughter are going through the most painful pain and trauma of their lives...and instead of hugging her son, support him in anyway or be with Haelenna, she goes to her room and sees him, who's guilty we all know why and chooses to fck with him instead. I get that Alicent has been through horrible things, she had no choice or young life or love! I understand that Cole is the best man she ever had in some kind of way! But Excuse me? Now, at this right moment? Man...
in the book they put out around 100 cats for the rats, so here is your answer for the rats problem lol.
Well some people use sex as a coping mechanism when tehy hurt. And since Alicent dosn't know how to cope with her own emotions how should she know how to confort her children.
@@vbb2076 Oh goddamn, I didn't think about that cause I've never seen a cat in the series lol my bad🤣
i will say there is alot people that immediately speculate that daemon called for a son for a son but we never actually hear him say it but left in the air. he is right about one thing that he did give a description of aemond and that was the original plan. i think its easy for people to bleed the book version to the show version of events into one when showrunner and GRRM himself has said the show version is the accurate story they trying to convay. book version is it clear who he wanted but show it isnt that clear but b&c is called AFTER rhaenyra calls for wanting aemond dead and he even said "vengeance for the murder of the queens son" this refers to her wanting aemond but rhaenyra not trusting is very on brand for a character like him i mean he is called "the rogue prince" for a reason in books (and is GRRMs favorite character in the book). i will say one thing about daemons character is his unpredictable nature is what keeps it interesting in the books and show (no spoilers obvs) like for example him going to harrenhal was always what he wanted to do since finale of S1 because its the strong hold to have and him leaving is still part of the plan to go to harrenhal to still fight for her defense, whether or not rhaenyra trusts him (we saw him do it in the stepstones last season) but one thing you can fault him is his loyalty to his family. he was one of the few people to see through ottos bs since the beginning and viserys didnt and him essentially saying rhaenyra is just like her father is like history repeating himself for him but this time he definitely doesnt want that to happen because lets say she gets her throne and rules with same mindset as viserys its going to be so easy to take it from her again. and in these times in war she kind of needs daemon by her side because having him and her marry from the beginning was the plan anyways to make her claim stronger etc. but it still has happened. and i dont remember who said it your last reaction about daemon only wants the throne still. i mean after 20+ years? yeah definitely not but a person can still be salty at the fact that his brother took it from him even if he wanted it or not and if you remember last season viserys had asked him to return to kingslanding after the death of his wife but daemon said himself that was going to back to pentos with his daughters again before the end of that ep where rhaenrya proposed the idea of marriage. even in this ep rhaenys kind of gets it when talking to corlys that once something was once yours its not easy to let it go and its clear in this ep which i think you might have missed is that he left to harrenhal like plan said he was going to do and if you remember last ep aemond also mentioned how important harrenhal is and that territory so like rhaenys said "if he can get harrenhal all by himself all might be forgiven". even in this ep he still refers to is as "my brothers throne" and rhaenya has to correct him in saying "mine!" he definitely hasnt come to terms that his brother is truly dead and all that was his legacy is gone with aegon on the throne. i mean he believes they killed his brother in the hands of someone hes always had issues with and was hidden from them with no way to bury or see him and then soon after your step son was killed by the hands of the enemy as well. anyway thanks for listening to my ted talk
Cole is the hand of Aegon in the book also.
It was mentioned twice that Damon is off to Harrenhall. Did not catch what he had to do there though.... He will do Damon things for sure.... and will never change I think.
I'm Team Black but Otto was great this episode. The acting was phenomenal.
Plus I did enjoy the fight between Raenyra and Damon a lot. All had to be spoken out.
I feel so sorry for Helaena a lot. Poor woman!
Great reaction, thank you! 😊
I haven't read the source material, but here are my theories: -Could Alyn & Addam be the illegitimate sons of Lord Corlys? -Larys expected he would be the next Hand. When he finds out about Alicent & Criston, will he blackmail her into marrying him? Especially if there's the possibility of a child.
goddammit aegon. Helaena could have identified the assassin even after he let out his anger on the other dude.
Also I love Helaena's character. I'm no expert but I assume she is on the autism spectrum. It's rare for a show to have a neurodivergent woman. Plus avoiding to make her a walking stereotype.
The actress is killing it too. She doesn't have a ton of dialogue to work with but she tells a lot about her character with expressions and body language.
I am not convinced this is going to end with a huge battle... I suspect it may be a 1 for 1 till no one is left standing. I have not read Fire and Blood though.
Can't wait to see this reaction and love him or hate him Ottos actor(sorry forgot his name) did an incredible job in this episode ❤
The acting by quite a few of the cast has left me audibly saying 'wow' after a scene ends. Really impressed with the talent in this show.
The look on The Oak's face at 11:07 when Rhaenyra asks that fateful question which got him boiled up during last week's episode query... Hahaha
ADDAM THE LOYAL LET'S GOOOOO
You know, I saw many reactions during this couple of days. And everyone accusing Aegon of his coldness and lack of reaction toward Haleana on stairs. That he blames her. No, people. They are both parents, they're siblings. They know each other. They just can't hold each other, for now or not. And such kind of grieving may happen. Parents may mourning together, separately or get divorced.
I would agree with that if their interactions in previous episodes had not been equally as cold; plus she herself said at the family dinner that he mostly ignores her except for when he's drunk [and wants to lay with her].
@@that.ll_do_pig No it's clear he didn't want to marry his sister and he has to be drunk to "do his duty".
Why is Otto mad? He literally hung a bunch of noble lords lmao. But it’s bad when Aegon hangs ratcatchers one of whom killed his son?
Otto mentioned Jahaerys was his grandson but shouldn't it be great grandson, given the lineage as such from Alicent to Aegon? Doesn't make any sense. Did the writers miss out something?
A man could still call his grand children and great grandchildren grandchildren a like in every day language. It's more a legal differnce not so much a sociologicall difference. I mean we also called our great grand mother just granny and when she talked about us or my mother and her siblings she just said grandchidlren. Or Otto calls him grandson to show closeness.
loving this reaction
Im team black but understood and feel for amon agon and helana otto and alicent are horrible parents
team green has historically been very good at politics and pr, meanwhile team black definitely has had a politics and pr problem
love this channel
the acting in this episode was phenomenal! and otto definitely moved up the list in characters i like.
still team black though, don’t get it twisted 😂
No Daemon slander here.
Team Helaena. Poor sweet Helaena. 🦋
The events in the show were worse than in the book with blood and cheese. Both scenarios ended with the heir being beheaded but in the books it was a swift cut and in the show it seemed to be sawed off with a dull blade. In the book there may have been a mention of grape but none took place and in the book Alicent was checking on her family like a good grandmother and in the show she was getting piped down by Criston who allowed the whole thing to happen by not being on watch.
The guy killed the king’s son, he knows he’s not getting out of this. Might as well just spill everything you know and see if you can get it over with faster.
FIRSTTTTTT, OMG I can't believe it😂❤