How to install a kite winder staircase PART 2***AN EASILY AVOIDABLE MISTAKE***
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2023
- In the next part of this video I show how I plan and install the middle flight of the stair case, and unfortunately, uncover a silly mistake.
Dell ,is the steel that's holding up the joists level .....i'd be so pissed because of it being new work id be half thinking of getting the breaking hammer out to drop the steel in that corner behind .leave a prop under it and let the builder build it back in .W'ere all guilty of not checking at some point . Great video Del👍
Hi Adrian🖐I've looked at the further, and you've actually hit the nail on the head with your comment👊The new steel beam IS in out of level to match the existing house floor. The brickies leveled the blockwork on the née outer wall from the opposite end of the stair opening, and obviously, then ran their blockwork level all the way along. It was deemed that the new floor would not show being out of level at the stair end rather than the other end against a wall where a big, wall mounted TV is going. Basically, the floor HAD to be out somewhere to tie in with the existing😬 Perhaps, if I was more aware of this when putting in the joists, I could have fitted a few, diminishing firrings on the last few joists up to the stair opening🤔Great comment bud and well deducted about the steel beam😎Cheers Del
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It's reassuring to see even the seasoned pros are not infallible to a fuck up or two and even rarer to see them willing to broadcast it to the whole world!
An old bloke taught me some wise words when I was doing my college "it's not how we get into the shit that matters, it's how we get out of it"
The fact is, we ALL make mistakes, and it would be unrealistic of me to only ever show jobs when they are going well🤔Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
Already summed up in the other comments. Trusting the brickies levels. How many times I used to annoy them to change their so called level. Don't get that now because all timber frame here. If the level is out. My fault entirely. The brickies just skin what I build. But what defines a good tradesman is being able to overcome problems. In the end it will come out good. All through your jobs on this house you have found all sorts of funny levels and quirky bits. Now you have added your own for someone to find years down the line. We have all done it. Joys of renovations.
Theres a kind of irony in your comment about me contributing to this houses wonkeyness 🤔and in any other house, I would not have left it🤨Turns out it was the steel beam that was out of level to match the existing joists, to the new joists were level one end and not the other😬Cheers bud🤩
10mm to a bricklayer is level and I was always told a cock up isn't a cock up if you can get over it which you did, good job mate
Hi Tony🖐My bricklayer told me to stop moaning because my soffits were uneven on a roof because he made the cavity 30mm wider, one end to the other😬
Surprised you took the word of the brickies and steel guys, they normally work to within a couple of inches.
As a bricklayer I would agree
They must use the same levels as the lads doing the dot n dab
Hi Pete🖐I've got to the bottom of why this has happened🤔Check out the reply I've made to the pinned comment at the top👊Cheers Del
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They spend all day bashing them against the wall Paul😵
These are the best videos for DIYers like me - "what do the pros do when it's not perfect?"
Great to see the way you think around the problem to get to the best solution for the situation.
You're right, its all good and well when everything is going to plan, but its what to do when things don't go to plan that's really interesting🤔Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Great work Del !!! the ability to rectify a problem and carry on is what sets you apart , master craftsman.......well done
Always a positive comment from you Michael🤗
Del very frustrating to see new joist out of level by that much. 😢. You done well to get over the problem. Brickys 🙄😂
Hi Paul🖐I actually got to the bottom of the issue bud, and check out my reply to the pinned comment at the top😉Thanks for watching bud🤩
Good job reminds me off working in Uk before I emigrated to Oz as a Chippie
Hope you're having a good time down there bud🤞Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Really good work, despite the eventualities I do appreciate your workmanship and honesty.
You gotta keep it honest T🫡Cheers Del
Well done Del the most complicated set of stairs I have seen
Hi Pat🖐These type of stairs used to terrify me when I was younger😬Thanks for watching😎
We have all done that del .took someone's word and not checked.
That caused a bit of an issue you had to get over .
It's coming along nicely 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
You're so right John😬and this is certainly not the first mistake I've ever made🙃Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers
Nice one Del. Like the way you use the word skulduggery when you just got to make something work by whatever means necessary 😂🎉
It's my go to word BM🤫🤩Cheers
Interesting watch- thank you.
I made stairs for my own property many years back. I had the luxury of my own joinery workshop on site and we made many many flights for customers. The landing was about 20mm out, so I was able to accommodate this with the top riser (and housing). I was quite pleased with it! Not sure how you (technically) stand with Building Control but it was never mentioned.
All our stairs were dry fitted before they went out. Liked the 'hook' where the internal corner strings meet: never knew about that!!
You need an apprentice. To hold the camera!
Hi John🖐I think you had the ultimate set up bus, and I would have DEFINITELY made the top tread/riser/newel to accommodate an out of level floor in the same way you did👍Very cool idea, and it's usually only the centers 12 inches or so of the stair treads that people walk on anyway, so no problem with the top riser being taller one end👊Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Love the honesty as always. When I come to fit mine I only have myself to blame for the joists so I’d best double check before I fit haha. Excellent as always
Check, check and double check bud👊Thanks for watching🤩
well done Sir, always good to see how you overcome difficulties..
Its always tedious when mistakes are made, but it gives us something to overcome I guess🤔Thanks for watching🤩
Great video yet again! I work on new build and this is a common occurrence unfortunately. Plus the site managers order stairs off the drawing height instead of physicaly measuring each plot. Nightmare!
I dont doubt what you are saying bud, and I have seen the state of some of the stair installations on big sites😬and its not always the carpenters fault🤔Cheers Del
Nice work TC.. great to show it when things don’t go to plan, and this is reality. Assuming things are good to follow.
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No one is immune from making mistake Dan🤔getting over them is what separates the men from the boys😎Cheers bud
@@thetallcarpenter exactly Del… well at least we admit to them..😉.
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Lots of good info for us young chippys here Del!!!I'm guessing as the joists are out would that mean furring strips on the underside too to get the ceiling level?
Hi Andy🖐Great comment and bizzarely, that would make the floor out of level across its length, because it was actually the steel beam that was 35mm high at the stairs end so it matched the existing floor😬(I got to the bottom of it after this part of the video👍) Cheers Del
Del I’m glad it wasn’t plumbed up correctly. The simple reason being you then showed us all the best way of correcting some other f***ers mistakes. We’re there’s a Will there a way pal. Love your vids Buddy keep up the good work. And don’t sink to the Brickies level and leave the next trade correcting your mistakes like they have rise above it Delboy 👌
Hi Darren🖐This could have been avoided bud, and it was probably just a case of, 'less haste, more speed'😉Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers
Another great video del thanks 👍
My pleasure, and thanks for watching🤩
Wow. Your talent just amazes me.
Your too kind 🤗Cheers Del
Great work mate 👍👍
Thank you bud🤩Cheers Del
it's gut wrenching isnt it? been in similar situations before. You showed fortitude in carrying on!
It certainly is😵and fortunately this is on an older, wonkey house🤔(still no excuse though) Cheers Del
nice one buddy. we have all been there. but good you showed it.
You gotta put your hands up sometimes bud😬Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
I felt for you Del on that one I've had it happen a few times and I know that exact feeling when your heart just sinks there not really a worse feeling on the job sight so disheartening! But as you know we get over these things eventually! Thanks for sharing mate this is the reality on the job!
I love your comment because its honest about what we ALL face in our jobs👍Things rarely go perfectly and there's always problems to solve🤔I think that's why I/we love it so much👊Cheers
Fabulous as always
Too kind bud🤗Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
Another interesting video del 👍💪
Cheers Joe🤩Thanks for watching👍
well done del great video
Cheers Neil🤩Thanks for watching bud
lovely work
Thanks Cameron🤩Cheers Del
Skullduggery. - I loved that, it reminds me of my own 200+ years old house. 😂😂😂
Always gotta make time for a bit of skulldeggery Jim😆
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No worries🤩Thanks for watching👍
Well explained.
Cheers Chris🤩
I'm amazed at 2 things, one, you trusted a brickie when he said it was level and two, you didn't realise as you were putting it in that it was the best part of 40mm out across the floor just by walking on it...
Hi Andy🖐This is the problem with only being called in to do bits and bobs on a job, and the joist at the other end of the floor WAS in level to the outer blockwork, however, the steel beam had been put in OUT of level to match the existing floor, (making it 35mm high at the stair end), and this showed on the joist that the stairs fitted to. There's more on this in the reply to the pinned comment at the top👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Del m8.... won't say the obvious. But great save nonetheless 🤦♂️.
Otherwise great video. Thanks for sharing.
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You don't need to say it bus😵😜Cheers Del
Lovely job Del, but you need to start working your way off building sites and doing shop work
I don't mind admitting it Jim, but some of the work I do does leave me a little unfulfilled🤔Thanks for your comment bud😎
Nice video Del. I felt your pain watching that
I've been slightly let off the hook Mark🤞as there was another reason for the joists being out🤔Check out my reply to the pinned comment at the top👍Thanks for watching bud🤩
@@thetallcarpenterthat makes sense
I watched this video hoping I would find a secret in how to fix those wall side internal half lap joints. Such a funny detail! I sometimes spring a wedge off the wall as well as the timber. I am surprised there is no pre milled pocket screw on the cad staircases. As you say it’s about getting it tight for the glue to go off!
Ah, sorry bud, no special method for fixing those corners😬Like you, I just 'pack' being the top part of the joint to keep it closed up tight👊I've worked closely with these stair manufacturers for many years, and they say that joint is like that due to the design/CNC software🤔Also like you, I think there could be a better way😉Cheers Del
I remember from an older video how efficient you are at doing these kits! You have obviously done a fair few in your time. Keep up the good work.💪🏻
You could screw up through the underside of the tread into the string rebates along both edges to get those corners tied in together
@@robnicholas1811 That would definitely hold them together💪
@Wattsjoinerybarn Considering how much I feared fitting stairs when I was younger, it amazes me how much I love doing them now🤩Over the years I've fitted some CRAZY technical stair sets over multiple floors and worth well over 150 grand😲Thanks for your comments, I appreciate them🤩Cheers Del
Henceforth shall you be known as 'Del The Mighty Staircase Wielder'. In our house anyway. I knew you'd sort it. 👍
Thanks Dave🤗and I actually do like to think of myself as a stair specialist👊Cheers
Was just thinking of a way to overcome the issue of the floor.
How about a recip saw through the glue and use a packer to tease up the edge and feather it out from there?
That's an awesome suggestion Garry👊but fortunately, the customer doesn't mind a little wonkeyness 😮Cheers Del
never mind dell but you will know next time never take another trades word for level .. a bit of a minor set back but i know you can tweek it within tolerance .......You wont forget this one
Hi Stevie🖐A little bit more investigation has let me off the hook a little for this, and there is more details in a my reply to the pinned comment at the top👍Thanks for watching bud🤗
That’s true, never take anyone’s word for anything. 😂
That was my biggest mistake🤔Thanks for watching👍
if you have glued up the tall newel and wall strings you will struggle to slip the kite treads in after. It is usually better to fit them in
loose and then fix newel and strings.
Great point Andrew👊and wait until the next/final video where I talk about this👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I agree with this. I used to fit centre kite first and set back a bit then fit middle section and let it come together. Far easier but great vid. Enjoying watching this.
@pauldixon8279 Keep an eye on the next video where I talk about these corner kite treads😉These kind of comments show who the experienced stair guys are😎
Don't want to be a killjoy mate but I think you might struggle with that first kite tread now that you have glued up that second string before fitting it! I made that mistake on the first set I done like this 20 years ago fresh out of my apprenticeship thinking I knew it all 🤣
Hi Aron🖐Not a killjoy bud, and I cover this in the final video👍Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
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Cheers Wayne🤩🤗🤩
👍 - as the steal beam was put in to match the existing floor level was there a way to make everything level or a case of pick your poison I.e. level at one end or the other?
Hi Adrian🖐The original floor was used to support the wall/roof above as the steel was fitted, so had to go where it went👍Cheers Del
Hi Del I’ve got a question I forgot to post on my other comment. Is this staircase pretty much self supporting from the 1st floor where it’s hung? If you had suspended floors on ground floor under the newels, would you install it differently? I.e strengthen the floor underneath it ?
Great question🤔Yes, part of the stair is supported at the joist level, but its weight must be taken by the floor, and I would always try and fit/pack the newels down onto the substructual concrete💪Cheers Del
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Feel your pain Del Boy 😮 Could you not have packed the landing joists up and tapered to nothing on the rest of the run?
Hi Andrew🖐Quite possibly bud🤔but that would them make the floor out of level the other way😬Check out the reply to the pinned comment at the top for more on the reason the joists were out👍Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Hi Del, hope you've managed to sort the issue out 👍
How come you used screws instead of dowels for the 2nd flight, can you use screws to pull the shoulder up tight if the dowels fail?
Hi there🖐There wasn't enough meat infront of the riser housing on the newel for dowels to work, that's why I had to screw it👍and yes, you can use screws in the same way if the dowels don't pull the joint tight👌Cheers Del
All th years being a joiner, I have never known Wood glue to ever adhere to painted wood ?
Me either Stephen👍Cheers Del
Surely the bedroom floor and ceiling below must be a lot off level if the short 600mm level was showing 10mm?
Hi there🖐They are, but at the existing house end as the steel was put in out of level to match them🤔The new floor is level on both the new walls, just not at the stair opening👍Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Right, sometimes you just have to roll with it on those old houses.
Good luck with the rest of the project 👍
Its not a problem, its a feature:)
I'm retaining the character of the existing property Trig😁Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
Del, you're old enough to know that brickies work to the nearest inch.
You're not wrong there Nick😬
Wouldn't it have been possible to level the whole floor by chipping and packing the blockwork?
I no you'd have been disappointed Del, but I often found floors out of level when fitting stairs. It can be a right pain deciding what will look least obvious to leave out of level or plumb, I think you're solution was the best in your case. Look forward to part 3.👍👍
Hi there🖐Its very irritating and not the way I usually roll😬There's an explanation in my reply to the pinned comment at top👍Thanks for watching🤩
Could do bud, but it turns out its not as simple as that😬Check out my reply to the pinned comment at the top👍Cheers Del
Could be done, but with great difficulty😵Cheers Del
Bricklayers getting a lot of stick on here😮😅
Hi Andy🖐Yes, and slightly unfairly as it turns out😜Cheers fella
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Never fails to bite you in the arse when you don't double check on something yourself.
You know it😵And its gutting that's its, ultimately, my fault for not checking😬
The painter will fix it....😆
Just ordered 12 tubes of caulking😜
Didn’t you have to put a 10 mm packer under the mule, when you levelled the stairs.
Yes bud👍More on that in the final video😉Thanks for watching
@@thetallcarpenter thanks for the video👍
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Just started watching, but knowing there's going to be a "mistake" makes it like an Agatha Christie book; Who dun it? With What? Where?
I think they call it 'click bait' David😉Thanks for your comment and for watching🤩Cheers Del
In 6 months that will squeak like hell. Would have been better to go 2 straight lifts with small landing. These kits are usually crap.
Rise and going min calculations most probably wouldn't of worked for the head room on the half landing that's why they have a kite winder. A load of D4 will 100% stop the squeaking 😂
As Steve the Pug says, there is not enough room to get a half or two quarter lands in there🤔and they are guaranteed to stay squeak free😎Cheers Del
Spot on bud👊
Completely baffling but totally fascinating to watch Del .
Small suggestion gets yourself the DJI mics , absolute game changer and simple to use ( even I can work them ) 🤔🤣🤣🧱🧱👍🏽
Ps never believe a bricky 😬
Hi Steve🖐Id love to get some mics, but Id then have to buy new cameras as mine don't have ext mic inputs😬Thanks for watching bud, and hope you guys are well🤞Cheers Del
you got to remember, a brickie is only a joiner with his brains bashed out,brickie i worked with thought his level was broke because the bubble was moving about
That's funny David😆(many a true word said in just🤔) Cheers Del
Never ever, trust the Hairy Arsed Brickies for levels!!! Adapt & over come, we’ll done mate
Hi TDP🖐You're only as strong as your weakest link I guess🤔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Not easy Del , think we've all been there, its always seems to be left to the carpenter's to sort out these problems, wonder if you could have leveled up the last joist , anyway we all have our ways to sort things out well done 👍☘️🇮🇪👏🤟🩼
We all make mistakes John🤔however I have looked at this more, and the steel beam is out of level to match the existing joists, so actually, this was unavoidable😬Thanks for watching🤩
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