I relate so hard to so much of this. I was never taught to ask how the other person was. I’m a massive over-sharer. In my teens I was shutdown so much, not allowed to make eye contact, have an opinion, if I was happy I was interrogated. I’m still learning not to be a people pleaser. Still learning who I am and to find my voice. I’m hoping UA-cam will help me gain confidence, but it’s a scary place sometimes! Half the time I feel like I can’t string a sentence together when I’m on camera. It probably doesn’t look like that to others though. I don’t even try to make friends as I feel like they’ll think I’m weird. I’ve also had the panic attacks when everything’s perfect!ive had decades of feeling like this, but you ladies give me hope. All the survivors do 🩵💙 Thank you for having this important conversation x x
I really understand this after just reading Jenna’s book. Her empathy and strong feelings for her friendships was her true self but had to hide it. And her love for Martino. I felt that pain with her having to hide herself
It’s one of the most interesting discussion I’ve heard. It made me realise a lot of things in my own life. I actualy cried a bunch. Yes, more lives with you both! 👏👏👏
As a child born in the 60’s then put up for adoption, I feel many things the same way. I strived to make my adop😮family happy. It’s a different kind of trauma.
Oh Jenna , so true about sharing a vulnerability with a new acquaintance . A woman whom I see several times a week because she checks me out at my local grocery store had been absent for awhile . I told her I’d missed her and asked after her time off . Her ex-husband had shot and killed her son, the day before Mother’s Day, her husband had been re-admitted to the ICU, with COPD, and didn’t think he was going to make it out alive this time . I expressed my sincere condolences , and she opened her arms and received a big hug . My niece was beyond belief that she’s share that with me . I explained , I always ask my local shop keepers their names , and build up a repoire . Therefore , her sharing such a sad , and “ socially unacceptable” tragedy with me was not in fact surprising . I brought her a little gift that brightened her day . If we all just take a little time to remember those around us may be having an unimaginable bad day, bad life ? If we all could just give each other a little more grace , and forgiving kindness ? We’d have a healthier, happier, productive and peaceful world . Great conversation, ladies. I appreciate your breakdown of what’s being said , and sharing your experiences . Almost always in the replay crew . THANKS 🌈Natalie - please answer my very long winded ? about what/why do you think the CO$ Austin,TX, “gave me a job “ and keys to the king down after walking in off the street and asking to apply for the job writing letters to LRH’s “ parishioners , assuring them I ( LRH ) was just fine and appreciated the ongoing support , for $10/HR- back in 1985. I never did see a dime . The A/C was great though.
Three times in one week with Jenna! Yippee 🙌 🎊 🎉❤ At 60 I feel so blessed to witness you precious young women doing the hardest work, healing and kicking ass!💪🏼AWESOME
Jenna, just from reading your book it is abundantly clear that you are incredibly strong, brave, fierce, intelligent, and interesting -- and it has been wonderful seeing you get more comfortable and sure of yourself with every video. I sincerely hope that you continue to believe in yourself more every single day. But know on the days you might not, we all believe in you enough to spare.
I love you two ❤❤ I can relate to so much of what you discussed today but I wasn’t in a cult. Actually it has to do with foster care & what a nightmare experience it was.
Love love love that you brought up Tim Fletcher ❤. He's absolutely amazing and has helped me with my own healing journey and childhood trauma. My own channel (about living with an anxiety disorder not COS related) I talk about him loads
LOVE you two together....just great chats❤️❤️❤️ I can't help but compare your "cult" thinking as younger humans to my "neuro divergent" thinking. Probably still a trauma response but i related so much to how you were raised to be ( and then after leaving trying to understand how things are done) and my brain from birth trying to understand how things are done 😂 Beautiful work you two....and thank goodness you are both OUT here in the "real" world with the rest of us! You both make it a much nicer place to be ❤❤
this is such a joy to watch. omgeee I'm in fits of laughter. Natalie I love ur energy n Jenna it's so good to see you becoming more n more relaxed with every video u do.
Great conversation, thank you for being vulnerable and sharing. You two collaborate well together. I am a never-in who's awkward in these areas too....i literally just left a visit with a friend early because my feelings got hurt...and on the drive home I got so frustrated with myself and was asking myself, ' why does this still happen, why do people who claim to care...that i break the wall down for...know my insecurities and still say something inappropriate 😢' I come home to your topic on YT, it helped me realize I still have trauma that sneaks up on me from time to time. I am an empath so I am usually the one who is sensitive to others insecurities and vulnerabilities and proceed with awareness... sometimes I am the one that needs that moment of care.
Thank you for this discussion, it was really enlightening esp hearing how you used to leave conversations abruptly Natalie. I was never in a cult and still hate small talk.
So much Aloha to you, Jenna & Natalie! I have had many of the same feelings you've described. Always felt awkward when i was younger. I used alcohol to cover my insecurities. I ended up going to treatment & learned a lot about myself . I still have morevto learn & ways to grow. Thank you for all you share! 🩷💫💚
You two…such beautiful souls! Love this SO much, BOTH of you are VERY good at this UA-cam thing. Let your confidence continue to grow and always speak your truth even if that means maybe you aren’t kind all the time…neither are ANY of us. Be proud that Scientology didn’t succeed in beating it out of you. Their LOSS!!
Natalie, yours is one of the few programs I hit the like first . Thanks for keeping up the flow of news . I could never keep up with all the fabulous new channels and your coverage keeps me up to speed on all the CO$ news . Take care of yourself and be as kind to yourself as you would to a friend. 🌸
I LOVED this. I hope you have more conversations like this together and let us listen in on them. You are 2 wonderful, interesting women still blossoming P.S. I’m one of those older women you 2 seem to enjoy talking to. 😎💜💜💜
As a never-in and being on the spectrum, your self discovery of interaction with others is very much the same process. The way we are wired has deep grooves of familiar responses that need to be rewired, or newly trained.
Your viewpoints on this topic will be helpful for so many people who for various reasons are experiencing trauma and are trying to navigate through it.
This was a wonderful collaboration! So happy to see you both out and living a full life. I 🙏 that all survivors and children trapped in the COS get an opportunity for the same. 🤗
I love this gut! Also I love both of you and your content. Jenna that was so sweet of you to make cookies for Blake .he definitely deserved it..and I always end up making 1 big cookie too. Lol
This talk is so helpful. I did not come from a cult but came from a home that was very emotional and verbally abusive that I couldn’t be my silly happy self. And am still struggling to be myself at times because so many people feel like you have to act like everyone else and this conversation is so eye opening and helpful. Thank you
Gabor Mate specializes in trauma and has many videos on UA-cam that are very insightful and helpful. Also, Alice Miller’s “The Drama of the Gifted Child” which discusses how we learn to adapt to survive in dysfunctional families as children. Her book was translated to English so “Gifted” in the title really equates to the child gift of surviving, survival techniques were our “ gift”. Gabor has written numerous books too.
So if what I have heard about "freeloader debt" not being enforcable. It makes me think that should be one of the most important things to tell the current members when protestors interact with them? Could be the biggest thing holding some folks in
Late to the replay crew party but here nonetheless. This was such a great conversation and all the topics you both got into…was most heartwarming and encouraging to hear your take Jenna, on loving people (and pets) knowing that it won’t last forever…having just lost my fur baby of 11 years this discussion just hit in a meaningful way. Loved yours and Natalie’s take on love and loss. Great live ladies, you should do this again. 💖
Omg that’s the only way i can move anything. Just like you Jenna. Lol I’m tiny too but I have to figure out how to do things on my own and we figure it out.
So nice seeing you 2 together, and discussing this topic. I have a lot of the same social awkwardness you described, though I did not come from a cult, but I find I relate to a lot of stories from people who survived cults probably due to other types of trauma. I'm also just learning that some of my issues may have been due to undiagnosed ADHD, which I have been researching on behalf of my son. So much overlap in behaviors and many different possible causes for it, but it's all about learning to navigate the world and society, and become more self aware in order to change behaviors that aren't working.
Natalie, I see you have some fresh cut flowers behind you and I'm wondering if you garden at all? I haven't heard you talk about it and I've been thinking it might be a nice way for you to enjoy some beauty! I live a few hours away from you in WI and while it does take a bit of work, I can tell you it's well worth it and there are lots of lovely perennials (i.e. plant once types) to choose from in our zones too. I used to be the practical food-only kind of gardner but the last few years I've slowly created an aesthetic around my home that has brought a lot of joy, seeing it come together and watching how various plants move through the seasons.
The more I watch and learn more it seems that Scientology training is about making a person into a heartless psycho. This was a really great talk. Very uplifting and focused on gratitude. Thank you for sharing it! I🌺🌺🌺
1:22:02 dogs do so much for our humanity for helping our emotions in ways we wouldn't normally realize. The little things they require that make us keep going and then in the process you feel something. Dogs are the best. 🫶🏻 to Odin 🐶💙.
11:45 my parents were both military, I moved 20x by the time I was 18. I had to embrace the term military brat (I loathed that term growing up), I just say I was raised a military brat. Even as an adult I don't feel I'm from anywhere. I lived several years on the west coast. Now I've been on the east coast for a while and feeling like I need to move back closer to my parents but I may settle for closer and land in AZ. I haven't decided for sure. It may be the OR coast. 🤷🏻♀️
There are so many things that I bring up that I committed on. So I just bring up funny story. My brother when we're at a family occasion, he does not say goodbye. Matter of fact we don't realize he even left until someone realizes they haven't seen him in a while. I dont know if its a Italian thing or not, it takes about half hour to leave. You have to say goodbye, give a kiss on the cheek & again give small chet chat. I told my brother, I am so uncomfortable. I dont like the kiss on the cheek, & never know what to say. I wish I can say bye every one, as I walk out. My brother said they will not allow you to do that. So you cannot make any eye contact & wait for that moment to bee line to the door. 😂 I am socially awkward, was always working on it. I came to the realization, at my age, this is as good as its going to get. I have the people in my life who accept me for me. Its ok. I dont need more😉 Side note- sometimes unfortunately we let the negative that people said about ourselves rent space in our heads way to long. instead of the positive. I learned from this video, to evict those thoughts from my mind. Invite the positive in. Because here we sit and listen to the most amazing & inspiring people, Natalie and Jenna.💜
Common thread of people who left - so many are naturally creative and now can express their creativity in spite of the binds placed on them while in the Cult of Schizoidtology.
1:06:50 I don't do it handle crying well. We were told growing up that crying won't accomplish anything. You learn from the situation and you move on but you don't cry. I don't do crying. I feel awkward when others cry, I'll pat someone on the back or hug them but I feel weird, I don't know what to do or say. Even though I don't have a problem with other people crying There was a time when I was close to 18, I was on a trip to the coast with my Dad. We were out at dawn on morning fishing, he was using sand shrimp for bait. I didn't realize it was alive and so I had to use the poker thing to slide in onto my hook and I started to tear up. Lol I didn't know what came over me. But I felt bad for killing this alive shrimp in my hands. My Dad looked at me and said you're not going to pull that are you. Suck it up or go back to the house, I'm not dealing with this. He sounds could and he's really not, but back then especially he didn't deal with that will either. I've accused him of getting "soft"/emotional as he's gotten older.
Most people experience some level of this type emotional abuse on an individual level with narcissistic parents… those of you in Scientology experienced it on a mass scale, every part of your lives. LRH was out of his mind !
Where are you from is my least favorite question. I'm a never-in, but moved a ton as a kid. Like over 50x a lot. The next question when I say I moved a lot was asking if my parents were in the military. Nope, just manic. I do not like small talk either. I can do it, but I don't enjoy it.
Thank you for this insightful, caring conversation, dear hearts!❤❤ Love to witness your friendship, connection and appreciation of each other.🌻🦋
What a wonderful stream! You two are great together!
This was such a wonderful live❤
Love the idea of you and Jenna doing regular collaborations together!!❤❤❤ sign me up. Love and blessings, Aussie Fiona xxx ❤❤❤
I relate so hard to so much of this.
I was never taught to ask how the other person was. I’m a massive over-sharer. In my teens I was shutdown so much, not allowed to make eye contact, have an opinion, if I was happy I was interrogated. I’m still learning not to be a people pleaser. Still learning who I am and to find my voice.
I’m hoping UA-cam will help me gain confidence, but it’s a scary place sometimes!
Half the time I feel like I can’t string a sentence together when I’m on camera. It probably doesn’t look like that to others though.
I don’t even try to make friends as I feel like they’ll think I’m weird.
I’ve also had the panic attacks when everything’s perfect!ive had decades of feeling like this, but you ladies give me hope. All the survivors do 🩵💙
Thank you for having this important conversation x x
LOVING THIS SOOOOOO MUCH
I really understand this after just reading Jenna’s book. Her empathy and strong feelings for her friendships was her true self but had to hide it. And her love for Martino. I felt that pain with her having to hide herself
It’s one of the most interesting discussion I’ve heard. It made me realise a lot of things in my own life. I actualy cried a bunch.
Yes, more lives with you both! 👏👏👏
As a child born in the 60’s then put up for adoption, I feel many things the same way. I strived to make my adop😮family happy. It’s a different kind of trauma.
Oh Jenna , so true about sharing a vulnerability with a new acquaintance . A woman whom I see several times a week because she checks me out at my local grocery store had been absent for awhile . I told her I’d missed her and asked after her time off . Her ex-husband had shot and killed her son, the day before Mother’s Day, her husband had been re-admitted to the ICU, with COPD, and didn’t think he was going to make it out alive this time . I expressed my sincere condolences , and she opened her arms and received a big hug . My niece was beyond belief that she’s share that with me . I explained , I always ask my local shop keepers their names , and build up a repoire . Therefore , her sharing such a sad , and “ socially unacceptable” tragedy with me was not in fact surprising . I brought her a little gift that brightened her day . If we all just take a little time to remember those around us may be having an unimaginable bad day, bad life ? If we all could just give each other a little more grace , and forgiving kindness ? We’d have a healthier, happier, productive and peaceful world . Great conversation, ladies. I appreciate your breakdown of what’s being said , and sharing your experiences . Almost always in the replay crew . THANKS 🌈Natalie - please answer my very long winded ? about what/why do you think the CO$ Austin,TX, “gave me a job “ and keys to the king down after walking in off the street and asking to apply for the job writing letters to LRH’s “ parishioners , assuring them I ( LRH ) was just fine and appreciated the ongoing support , for $10/HR- back in 1985. I never did see a dime . The A/C was great though.
What a wonderful conversation 😊
Being autistic, I relate sooo hard to a LOT of this conversation. Thanks guys!
Three times in one week with Jenna! Yippee 🙌 🎊 🎉❤
At 60 I feel so blessed to witness you precious young women doing the hardest work, healing and kicking ass!💪🏼AWESOME
Jenna, just from reading your book it is abundantly clear that you are incredibly strong, brave, fierce, intelligent, and interesting -- and it has been wonderful seeing you get more comfortable and sure of yourself with every video. I sincerely hope that you continue to believe in yourself more every single day. But know on the days you might not, we all believe in you enough to spare.
I love you two ❤❤ I can relate to so much of what you discussed today but I wasn’t in a cult. Actually it has to do with foster care & what a nightmare experience it was.
I love you both so much! You are both amazing and wonder women that all of us should and could look up too. Love your encouragement of each other
Those of us with complex trauma are also often empathetically motivated, and explains why we are able to see through bullshut.
Love love love that you brought up Tim Fletcher ❤. He's absolutely amazing and has helped me with my own healing journey and childhood trauma. My own channel (about living with an anxiety disorder not COS related) I talk about him loads
LOVE you two together....just great chats❤️❤️❤️
I can't help but compare your "cult" thinking as younger humans to my "neuro divergent" thinking. Probably still a trauma response but i related so much to how you were raised to be ( and then after leaving trying to understand how things are done) and my brain from birth trying to understand how things are done 😂
Beautiful work you two....and thank goodness you are both OUT here in the "real" world with the rest of us!
You both make it a much nicer place to be ❤❤
What a fabulous video! Ty ladies.
Glad you enjoyed it!❤️
this is such a joy to watch. omgeee I'm in fits of laughter. Natalie I love ur energy n Jenna it's so good to see you becoming more n more relaxed with every video u do.
Great conversation, thank you for being vulnerable and sharing. You two collaborate well together.
I am a never-in who's awkward in these areas too....i literally just left a visit with a friend early because my feelings got hurt...and on the drive home I got so frustrated with myself and was asking myself, ' why does this still happen, why do people who claim to care...that i break the wall down for...know my insecurities and still say something inappropriate 😢'
I come home to your topic on YT, it helped me realize I still have trauma that sneaks up on me from time to time.
I am an empath so I am usually the one who is sensitive to others insecurities and vulnerabilities and proceed with awareness...
sometimes I am the one that needs that moment of care.
I could be the one writing this comment. I completely understand what you are saying. It’s me to a tee.
Thank you for this discussion, it was really enlightening esp hearing how you used to leave conversations abruptly Natalie. I was never in a cult and still hate small talk.
Good to hear. What if most people actually hate it too?🤔
So much Aloha to you, Jenna & Natalie! I have had many of the same feelings you've described.
Always felt awkward when i was younger. I used alcohol to cover my insecurities. I ended up going to treatment & learned a lot about myself . I still have morevto learn & ways to grow. Thank you for all you share! 🩷💫💚
It is so great to see Jenna and you together. It comes through that you two have have a connection. ❤
You two…such beautiful souls! Love this SO much, BOTH of you are VERY good at this UA-cam thing. Let your confidence continue to grow and always speak your truth even if that means maybe you aren’t kind all the time…neither are ANY of us. Be proud that Scientology didn’t succeed in beating it out of you. Their LOSS!!
What a beautiful video ❤❤Thank you ladies 😊
Our pleasure!❤️
@@NatalieLifeAfterACult 😊♥️
Natalie, yours is one of the few programs I hit the like first . Thanks for keeping up the flow of news . I could never keep up with all the fabulous new channels and your coverage keeps me up to speed on all the CO$ news . Take care of yourself and be as kind to yourself as you would to a friend. 🌸
I LOVED this. I hope you have more conversations like this together and let us listen in on them. You are 2 wonderful, interesting women still blossoming
P.S. I’m one of those older women you 2 seem to enjoy talking to. 😎💜💜💜
You two have a beautiful energy together. Very interesting to listen to this conversation. 💜
As a never-in and being on the spectrum, your self discovery of interaction with others is very much the same process. The way we are wired has deep grooves of familiar responses that need to be rewired, or newly trained.
100% this!
Watching on the replay crew. Your both beautiful ladies that have a special place in this old lady's heart ❤️❤️❤️
Great conversation ladies!
Yes TR eyes and acks are tough to overcome. Sympathy too.
Your viewpoints on this topic will be helpful for so many people who for various reasons are experiencing trauma and are trying to navigate through it.
What a beautiful talk ❤❤
Nat. So relate to social niceties difficulty.
Thank you both. So good to hear you air your views on all the various things. 😊😊
Detachment and compartmentalizing is the way you survived and made you strong !
Thank you ladies for this video. I so relate to much of what yall are saying.
Same here. Being open and making friends is easu but small talk is so tough. Empathy also difficult interests in others. Exhausting.
Replay crew❤ can totally relate!
This sharing of memories explains even more insight into my cult of 4 growing up
I discovered Tim Fletcher recently too. So cool that you shared his work.
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This was a wonderful collaboration! So happy to see you both out and living a full life. I 🙏 that all survivors and children trapped in the COS get an opportunity for the same. 🤗
I love this gut! Also I love both of you and your content. Jenna that was so sweet of you to make cookies for Blake .he definitely deserved it..and I always end up making 1 big cookie too. Lol
Change is inevitable
Growth is optional
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This is such a helpful video. Thanks for sharing ao honestly xo
This talk is so helpful. I did not come from a cult but came from a home that was very emotional and verbally abusive that I couldn’t be my silly happy self. And am still struggling to be myself at times because so many people feel like you have to act like everyone else and this conversation is so eye opening and helpful. Thank you
Gabor Mate specializes in trauma and has many videos on UA-cam that are very insightful and helpful. Also, Alice Miller’s “The Drama of the Gifted Child” which discusses how we learn to adapt to survive in dysfunctional families as children. Her book was translated to English so “Gifted” in the title really equates to the child gift of surviving, survival techniques were our “ gift”. Gabor has written numerous books too.
Great conversation! Great info for anyone that has emotional trauma/complex PTSD in themselves or someone in their ♥️
I think also being undiagnosed autism spectrum or adhd makes masking a must.
You both are amazing and strong women❤❤❤
Thank you.😊
So if what I have heard about "freeloader debt" not being enforcable. It makes me think that should be one of the most important things to tell the current members when protestors interact with them? Could be the biggest thing holding some folks in
Many of the protesters have brought it up when protesting. There are many new ones.🤩
Late to the replay crew party but here nonetheless. This was such a great conversation and all the topics you both got into…was most heartwarming and encouraging to hear your take Jenna, on loving people (and pets) knowing that it won’t last forever…having just lost my fur baby of 11 years this discussion just hit in a meaningful way. Loved yours and Natalie’s take on love and loss. Great live ladies, you should do this again. 💖
I'll for sure be doing more videos with Jenna.
Omg that’s the only way i can move anything. Just like you Jenna. Lol I’m tiny too but I have to figure out how to do things on my own and we figure it out.
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This was a great conversation!
You're from Scientology, and I'm sorry you had to go through it. You've come out amazingly
Thanks so much for this!
So nice seeing you 2 together, and discussing this topic. I have a lot of the same social awkwardness you described, though I did not come from a cult, but I find I relate to a lot of stories from people who survived cults probably due to other types of trauma. I'm also just learning that some of my issues may have been due to undiagnosed ADHD, which I have been researching on behalf of my son. So much overlap in behaviors and many different possible causes for it, but it's all about learning to navigate the world and society, and become more self aware in order to change behaviors that aren't working.
I have watched this guy too. But I only do it if i have the energy to look at myself at the time. And it can be triggering.
Natalie, I see you have some fresh cut flowers behind you and I'm wondering if you garden at all? I haven't heard you talk about it and I've been thinking it might be a nice way for you to enjoy some beauty! I live a few hours away from you in WI and while it does take a bit of work, I can tell you it's well worth it and there are lots of lovely perennials (i.e. plant once types) to choose from in our zones too. I used to be the practical food-only kind of gardner but the last few years I've slowly created an aesthetic around my home that has brought a lot of joy, seeing it come together and watching how various plants move through the seasons.
In my 70s and still dealing, should have addressed it earlier but didn't know what was wrong with me could be fixed. 😢
The more I watch and learn more it seems that Scientology training is about making a person into a heartless psycho. This was a really great talk. Very uplifting and focused on gratitude. Thank you for sharing it! I🌺🌺🌺
1:22:02 dogs do so much for our humanity for helping our emotions in ways we wouldn't normally realize. The little things they require that make us keep going and then in the process you feel something. Dogs are the best. 🫶🏻 to Odin 🐶💙.
Kindnesses creates interpersonal connection which is a huge no no in high control groups
11:45 my parents were both military, I moved 20x by the time I was 18. I had to embrace the term military brat (I loathed that term growing up), I just say I was raised a military brat. Even as an adult I don't feel I'm from anywhere. I lived several years on the west coast. Now I've been on the east coast for a while and feeling like I need to move back closer to my parents but I may settle for closer and land in AZ. I haven't decided for sure. It may be the OR coast. 🤷🏻♀️
Imposter syndrome is real. 1d is selfish but it's not true mostly.
When Jenna drew the hand flipping off the flag building I thought it would also be funny to put "message approved by Miscavige."
There are so many things that I bring up that I committed on. So I just bring up funny story. My brother when we're at a family occasion, he does not say goodbye. Matter of fact we don't realize he even left until someone realizes they haven't seen him in a while.
I dont know if its a Italian thing or not, it takes about half hour to leave. You have to say goodbye, give a kiss on the cheek & again give small chet chat.
I told my brother, I am so uncomfortable. I dont like the kiss on the cheek, & never know what to say.
I wish I can say bye every one, as I walk out.
My brother said they will not allow you to do that. So you cannot make any eye contact & wait for that moment to bee line to the door. 😂 I am socially awkward, was always working on it. I came to the realization, at my age, this is as good as its going to get. I have the people in my life who accept me for me.
Its ok. I dont need more😉
Side note- sometimes unfortunately we let the negative that people said about ourselves rent space in our heads way to long. instead of the positive.
I learned from this video, to evict those thoughts from my mind. Invite the positive in.
Because here we sit and listen to the most amazing & inspiring people, Natalie and Jenna.💜
What’s the recipe for Jenna’s cookies? Lol
Jenna was posting the recipe after her live today. Check her channel.
Common thread of people who left - so many are naturally creative and now can express their creativity in spite of the binds placed on them while in the Cult of Schizoidtology.
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1:06:50 I don't do it handle crying well. We were told growing up that crying won't accomplish anything. You learn from the situation and you move on but you don't cry. I don't do crying. I feel awkward when others cry, I'll pat someone on the back or hug them but I feel weird, I don't know what to do or say. Even though I don't have a problem with other people crying
There was a time when I was close to 18, I was on a trip to the coast with my Dad. We were out at dawn on morning fishing, he was using sand shrimp for bait. I didn't realize it was alive and so I had to use the poker thing to slide in onto my hook and I started to tear up. Lol I didn't know what came over me. But I felt bad for killing this alive shrimp in my hands. My Dad looked at me and said you're not going to pull that are you. Suck it up or go back to the house, I'm not dealing with this.
He sounds could and he's really not, but back then especially he didn't deal with that will either. I've accused him of getting "soft"/emotional as he's gotten older.
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The more I watch and learn more it seems that Scientology training is about making a person into a heartless psycho.
Most people experience some level of this type emotional abuse on an individual level with narcissistic parents… those of you in Scientology experienced it on a mass scale, every part of your lives. LRH was out of his mind !
Not to be sinical but when a soc member dies does everyone ans "ok" and walk away?
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Where are you from is my least favorite question. I'm a never-in, but moved a ton as a kid. Like over 50x a lot. The next question when I say I moved a lot was asking if my parents were in the military. Nope, just manic.
I do not like small talk either. I can do it, but I don't enjoy it.
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