Tyler said that they could have offered Holloway more money but if they did they would have needed two of their own second-round draft picks next year which is impossible. Teams only have one pick per round so this only works if the two players are not requiring overlapping compensation. For instance, if Broberg's contract is higher his compensation is a first and a third which means they no longer have a third for Holloway. This situation was very unique because of the restrictions around compensation and the fact that the two offers did not have overlapping compensation.
Brobes is our future and was legit to bitch about not playing. His getting whispers in his ear he could be one of the best Swedish d man especially puck moving d man since Erik K. The guys unbelievable and is only gonna get stronger and he’s the second fastest actually maybe 2nd fastest skater now that McLeod is gone 😢 on the Edmonton oilers.. players like him don’t come around were as Matt is a similar player to Dylan just not as aggressive but maybe more skilled. I need Holloway and brobes both to say but nothing is ever perfect. Great takes but I think Philip is worth what he’s asking if he was on Columbus or Utah or something he’s making 2 mill a year easy because any gm would see his unbelievable potential and could easily step on a lot teams and be a top 4 d man. Again I feel he’s getting pressure to go big from his agent and just people in his corner in general.
Totally agree, I said to my dad before the playoffs that holloway and broberg are the future of the oilers 😭 broberg absulutely has to stay if they have any sense..ceci is gone without hesitation. Sad to see holloway and hope to see him come back. We need broberg. I think both want more ice time..broberg maybe doesnt want to play on his right..which he likely will be forced to.. blues arent as stacked as we are This news was honestly the biggest blow to my day...month.. :(
I will say this as a Blues fan. I feel kind of bad, but you guys are in our conference, and we need defensemen...but it is refreshing to see how at least there is one Canadian team whose fans aren't completely idiotic and out of touch with reality. The Leafs fans are basically like "we should trade Mitch Marner to Blues for Binnington, Parayko, Robert Thomas, and a few draft picks"...it reinforces their stupidity and how undeserving they are of winning a Cup.
Shrewed move by Blues. I dont see how you blame the players. No one in any world is turning down a 2x or 4x raise I dont see them signing either. Broberg clearly isnt happy, do you restructure your entire roster to lock these 2 in all year, knowing kane wont be out all year and you cant trade em?
@@MrGgabber Broberg came up from the minors and eventually got to play in the semi finals and almost one Cup and isn’t happy ?? Playing with 97 and 29 !! ?? Complete nonsense and Ceci is on the way out and Broberg is on the way in !! Blues get nothing from the Oil !!
It’s where his agent started the negotiations!! Is there a law against that ? Vinny got $2 Mil and Broby replaced him …..anyway that could have been a $1.3 Mil deal
@@davidandersgage-pd3kr people forget contracts are a negotiation.. no different you trying to buy a house.. you start higher and come down.. or not come down..
@@DS-hs3qp people forget.. if someone backs their truck with a pile of cash for you.. and you haven't made that much money they seriously think they would walk away because it won't make the fans or the team happy about it?
@@DS-hs3qp Any player would be delighted to make bigger money and secure his future !! The Blues made this gift happen, you don’t see Holloway and his agent turning down a bigger pay raise either , do you ? Just fans who don’t get it’s a business !!
Also, random question for Oil nation, and don't take it as an insult because I honestly believe his 2-way play has gotten better, and no one can deny his offensive ability. Would you guys do Kyrou for Nurse, straight up? I feel like that might benefit both teams and you'd gain 1mil of cap space.
Please let me know why you guys are so down on Nurse. I see his minutes played were down a bit. And I see his plus minus was a bit down… 1. Is he hurt? 2. Is it just a down year? 3. How overpaid is he in your opinion?
@@Bobweiser19 nurse is not good and he makes over $9m a year. Plus he doesn’t really fit the age of the core that the blues are building. It would be dumb if the Blues to waste one of their best scorers for nurse. If you want to trade Kyrou, aim higher. Also, I’m not an oilers fan.
I feel like the CBA needs to be changed to take into consideration the pick that you used to draft the player, like your only offer sheeting someone if you really want someone (unless you are doing it to be a dick) so you should be willing to to pay more, it would stop people using offer sheets as a weapon
Best GM in sports. Traded a cocaine dealer for Schenn a guy that quit hockey for O'reilley and Lee Stepniak for Alex Steen. Id be careful trying revenge if I were the Oilers.
@@jackmakackov7077Dude , we are at the Top of the Pile !! We don’t give a rats *ss about what you have to say !! St.Louis is about the Cardinals , not the Blues !! Here it’s Oilers, 365,24/7 !! If we want revenge down the road expect it !! Right now, we are about the Cup !! I doubt you will get either player , even though, we will have to make it happen, up against the cap
26:51 Whats the reason i don't go to elks games, watch them on TV, or support them in anyway? Because they changed the name for fear of not being woke enough. Thats a fact, and my friends group stand with me on that. If they change the name back they'll have our support back. So yes, it does matter. Stick to hockey.
@@jackmakackov7077 Just wait if we are fully healthy through the playoffs this year without Kane and Draisaitl badly hurt !! Enjoy us Hoisting The Cup !!!
Liam Let’s let you go ! ! Broberg has busted his ass, in the minors, he comes in and fits. In beautiful ly with the Oil and pushes Vinny to the stands !! So his agent asks for $ 1.8 ,ask high and take as much as he can, that is the business !! Oilers aren’t going to give him the $1.8 !! This. Iiis about how good will Broberg be ?? A top 4 or top 3 guy for a decade plus, we have been grooming him for 4 years, can’t let him walk !! Trade Ceci, chisel Broberg down later $500 k a year for years !! Don’t think they will lose either !! How many players can come out of the finals and hold their own !!?? Answer very,very, few questions!! Keep him !!
Get used to the league clowning the Oilers. They made a true Clown 🤡 Bowman the captain of the oilers ship! The league won’t extend them any favour, any unwritten rules or gentleman’s agreements are gone. Karma.
Oh plenty of real hockey fans like Bowman, only 3 Cups, right ? He served his time, grew up in one of Canada’s greatest hockey families !! Anyway we won’t lose both, if they can, won’t lose either !! Two young studs !!
@@McSwirlywirly Complete BS !!! Jeff Jackson chose him but no one respects his 20 years in the game , working his way up and 3 Cups !! Ya , right ? How long you worked in the NHL ? Ya, exactly, crickets !!
Offer sheets, like 4 since 2007? We could get hit by lightning more often. They should have never have given Perry an offer. Holloway is pretty cheap. It's really the Broberg contract that hurts. Does buddy know that Skinner has the longest playoff drought of any NHL player? 1000 games. He's literally not a winner. The minute the Oilers started playing Broberg this year he was the Oilers 3rd best Dmen. Holloway was willing to do this because look at all the forwards now? Holloway was pushed to the third line, and no PP. The Eskimos should have never changed the team name. It matters, heritage is huge. The Hemet was iconic, all of those legends who played there from Allen, to Moon to Gizmo. No one cares anymore. Brother you have to stand for something or you will fall for everything. Standing up against fascism is always a great reason. I boycotted every team that name changed during the Woke olympiques pre and post Covid. If they both go this team starts to look really slow and really, really old. Remember they already lost a ton of speed in McCloud and Foegele. And this is a team speed team. My guy wants to replace kids with guys a year or 2 out of the league.
@@DS-hs3qp Maybe a pink elephant will land on you tomorrow??? This Perry and Bowman Bullshit Gets Old !! You never read the 80 page report did you ? He did a ton of work for free tp pay for the situation ! The main people involved all support him !! Batman supports him but the bill fans who don’t know enough don’t ! Life Moves On
The nonsense political correctness name change made the league dissolve in front of me. When they changed it I never watched another game nor did I watch the Grey cup since. I remember the Eskimos as a kid 45 years ago... it's a culture until you let the goofy issue makers control it...then it becomes nothing...erased. Decades of history disappear and yo say it's nothing? Erasing history and culture is what erased China's culture. The same goofy issue makers are bent that way. No, you're wrong it's a very big deal.
Cece makes what 3.8 million, Broberg will be making 4.5 and is better than Cece, and has more upside and potential.... Match Broberg and Hollywood offers! . Get rid of Cece, Perry n Ryan asap and get some cap relief!
The Oilers don’t have to pay Broby $5 Mil, they will pay him what he is worth and may pay less because we had the gun put to our head on this offer sheet !! He will get payed what he performs like !!
Dude he will get paid what the offer sheet is for. That's why if the oilers MATCH the offer sheet they have to pay what the offer is for. So 4 5 basically.
@@greatboozard467 Ofcourse very simple, then some were saying and then after those two years they are stuck having to pay him more like $5 Mil a season or more and my reply was no they aren’t stuck paying him more if he doesn’t perform well enough to earn more….
Just because you are paranoid, does NOT mean youre not being followed sounds like WAY too many dots connected and this is retribution DITCH them both, try different players from the ahl until something clicks or you have LTIR money
@@davidandersgage-pd3krwell they worked hard & they proved themselves when it mattered most! And Oilers management we’re trying to squeeze them for a total of 500k? I lay zero blame on the players. It wasn’t a big ask & they are so vital moving forward. Just don’t sign a perry for 400k above league minimum. He’s excess to requirements. It can be said oh this is what always happens with young RFA’s or offer sheets don’t happen very often. sure. Those things might be norm, but when it bites them and management did not foresee the possibility of what could go wrong it’s pure hubris & mismanagement!
Tyler said that they could have offered Holloway more money but if they did they would have needed two of their own second-round draft picks next year which is impossible. Teams only have one pick per round so this only works if the two players are not requiring overlapping compensation. For instance, if Broberg's contract is higher his compensation is a first and a third which means they no longer have a third for Holloway. This situation was very unique because of the restrictions around compensation and the fact that the two offers did not have overlapping compensation.
Good take.
Brobes is our future and was legit to bitch about not playing. His getting whispers in his ear he could be one of the best Swedish d man especially puck moving d man since Erik K. The guys unbelievable and is only gonna get stronger and he’s the second fastest actually maybe 2nd fastest skater now that McLeod is gone 😢 on the Edmonton oilers.. players like him don’t come around were as Matt is a similar player to Dylan just not as aggressive but maybe more skilled. I need Holloway and brobes both to say but nothing is ever perfect. Great takes but I think Philip is worth what he’s asking if he was on Columbus or Utah or something he’s making 2 mill a year easy because any gm would see his unbelievable potential and could easily step on a lot teams and be a top 4 d man. Again I feel he’s getting pressure to go big from his agent and just people in his corner in general.
Totally agree, I said to my dad before the playoffs that holloway and broberg are the future of the oilers 😭 broberg absulutely has to stay if they have any sense..ceci is gone without hesitation. Sad to see holloway and hope to see him come back. We need broberg. I think both want more ice time..broberg maybe doesnt want to play on his right..which he likely will be forced to.. blues arent as stacked as we are This news was honestly the biggest blow to my day...month.. :(
Tyler being pissy when he's wrong never gets old
The GMs around the league love Bowman. 😄 I bet when he's calling around trying to dump salary everybody is saying, sure...for two first rounders. 😂
I will say this as a Blues fan. I feel kind of bad, but you guys are in our conference, and we need defensemen...but it is refreshing to see how at least there is one Canadian team whose fans aren't completely idiotic and out of touch with reality. The Leafs fans are basically like "we should trade Mitch Marner to Blues for Binnington, Parayko, Robert Thomas, and a few draft picks"...it reinforces their stupidity and how undeserving they are of winning a Cup.
Shrewed move by Blues. I dont see how you blame the players. No one in any world is turning down a 2x or 4x raise
I dont see them signing either. Broberg clearly isnt happy, do you restructure your entire roster to lock these 2 in all year, knowing kane wont be out all year and you cant trade em?
I would really feel bad for Ceci if they dumped him to keep Broberg.
@@MrGgabber Broberg came up from the minors and eventually got to play in the semi finals and almost one Cup and isn’t happy ?? Playing with 97 and 29 !! ?? Complete nonsense and Ceci is on the way out and Broberg is on the way in !! Blues get nothing from the Oil !!
@@propositionjoe499 Ceci is on the way out , are you on drugs ? Broby is on the way in !! Been a billion rumors of Ceci being traded !! Period
@@davidandersgage-pd3kr I'm just speaking about what I hear in rumors. Broberg wanted more money, and they were stonewalling him.
😮if ken holland was still gm no way his buddy Armstrong would throw this at him.
Just listening to the show but who said that Broberg was looking for 1.8 or is that what he was offered
Friedman
It’s where his agent started the negotiations!! Is there a law against that ? Vinny got $2 Mil and Broby replaced him …..anyway that could have been a $1.3 Mil deal
@@davidandersgage-pd3kr people forget contracts are a negotiation.. no different you trying to buy a house.. you start higher and come down.. or not come down..
Saying Broberg is all about the money is not fair. He was a top 4 defenseman in the playoffs.
@@DS-hs3qp people forget.. if someone backs their truck with a pile of cash for you.. and you haven't made that much money they seriously think they would walk away because it won't make the fans or the team happy about it?
@@DS-hs3qp Any player would be delighted to make bigger money and secure his future !! The Blues made this gift happen, you don’t see Holloway and his agent turning down a bigger pay raise either , do you ? Just fans who don’t get it’s a business !!
If the Oilers don't match did these kids just give up their best chance they may ever have at winning a cup?
No
Also, random question for Oil nation, and don't take it as an insult because I honestly believe his 2-way play has gotten better, and no one can deny his offensive ability. Would you guys do Kyrou for Nurse, straight up? I feel like that might benefit both teams and you'd gain 1mil of cap space.
Why the hell would the blues make that trade? 😂
Please let me know why you guys are so down on Nurse. I see his minutes played were down a bit. And I see his plus minus was a bit down…
1. Is he hurt?
2. Is it just a down year?
3. How overpaid is he in your opinion?
@@Bobweiser19 nurse is not good and he makes over $9m a year. Plus he doesn’t really fit the age of the core that the blues are building. It would be dumb if the Blues to waste one of their best scorers for nurse. If you want to trade Kyrou, aim higher. Also, I’m not an oilers fan.
Corry Perry was a mistake to extend
I feel like the CBA needs to be changed to take into consideration the pick that you used to draft the player, like your only offer sheeting someone if you really want someone (unless you are doing it to be a dick) so you should be willing to to pay more, it would stop people using offer sheets as a weapon
Yeah like in what world is a 23 year old dman worth 4.5 equal a 2nd round pick. The compensation is fucking stupid.
F it, find a way to get rid of ceci put kane on ltir and match both offers
Sure...every team knows the spot they are in, They will take his salary off your hands, for a first round pick.
Good talk but completely disagree about Broberg. The kid is going to be absolutely amazing. And infinitely harder to replace than Holloway.
I am such a big fan of Doug Armstrong
Best GM in sports. Traded a cocaine dealer for Schenn a guy that quit hockey for O'reilley and Lee Stepniak for Alex Steen. Id be careful trying revenge if I were the Oilers.
@@jackmakackov7077Dude , we are at the Top of the Pile !! We don’t give a rats *ss about what you have to say !! St.Louis is about the Cardinals , not the Blues !! Here it’s Oilers, 365,24/7 !! If we want revenge down the road expect it !! Right now, we are about the Cup !! I doubt you will get either player , even though, we will have to make it happen, up against the cap
26:51
Whats the reason i don't go to elks games, watch them on TV, or support them in anyway?
Because they changed the name for fear of not being woke enough.
Thats a fact, and my friends group stand with me on that.
If they change the name back they'll have our support back.
So yes, it does matter.
Stick to hockey.
Facts
If you think Doug Armstrong hates Stan Bowman, just wait until Alex Steen is Blues GM. .....
@@jackmakackov7077 Just wait if we are fully healthy through the playoffs this year without Kane and Draisaitl badly hurt !! Enjoy us Hoisting The Cup !!!
@@davidandersgage-pd3kr lol that’s some premium copium.
@@MrStelmacki premiummmmmmm copium buddddddddd lololllll Oillllll Baby Don’t Forget It
@@davidandersgage-pd3kr good on you for admitting it. Looking forward to another year of no cup in Canada.
Liam Let’s let you go ! ! Broberg has busted his ass, in the minors, he comes in and fits. In beautiful ly with the Oil and pushes Vinny to the stands !! So his agent asks for $ 1.8 ,ask high and take as much as he can, that is the business !! Oilers aren’t going to give him the $1.8 !! This. Iiis about how good will Broberg be ?? A top 4 or top 3 guy for a decade plus, we have been grooming him for 4 years, can’t let him walk !! Trade Ceci, chisel Broberg down later $500 k a year for years !! Don’t think they will lose either !! How many players can come out of the finals and hold their own !!?? Answer very,very, few questions!! Keep him !!
Get used to the league clowning the Oilers. They made a true Clown 🤡 Bowman the captain of the oilers ship!
The league won’t extend them any favour, any unwritten rules or gentleman’s agreements are gone.
Karma.
Big chance at a Stanley cup > A bit bigger pay cheque than you were gonna make.. all day long
Reality says otherwise.
Honestly kinda worried we lose both, no one respects bowmen tbh
Oh plenty of real hockey fans like Bowman, only 3 Cups, right ? He served his time, grew up in one of Canada’s greatest hockey families !! Anyway we won’t lose both, if they can, won’t lose either !! Two young studs !!
@@McSwirlywirly Complete BS !!! Jeff Jackson chose him but no one respects his 20 years in the game , working his way up and 3 Cups !! Ya , right ? How long you worked in the NHL ? Ya, exactly, crickets !!
Offer sheets, like 4 since 2007? We could get hit by lightning more often.
They should have never have given Perry an offer.
Holloway is pretty cheap. It's really the Broberg contract that hurts.
Does buddy know that Skinner has the longest playoff drought of any NHL player? 1000 games. He's literally not a winner.
The minute the Oilers started playing Broberg this year he was the Oilers 3rd best Dmen.
Holloway was willing to do this because look at all the forwards now? Holloway was pushed to the third line, and no PP.
The Eskimos should have never changed the team name. It matters, heritage is huge. The Hemet was iconic, all of those legends who played there from Allen, to Moon to Gizmo. No one cares anymore.
Brother you have to stand for something or you will fall for everything. Standing up against fascism is always a great reason. I boycotted every team that name changed during the Woke olympiques pre and post Covid.
If they both go this team starts to look really slow and really, really old. Remember they already lost a ton of speed in McCloud and Foegele. And this is a team speed team. My guy wants to replace kids with guys a year or 2 out of the league.
Maybe all of this drama is karma for hiring Bowman.
@@DS-hs3qp Maybe a pink elephant will land on you tomorrow??? This Perry and Bowman Bullshit Gets Old !! You never read the 80 page report did you ? He did a ton of work for free tp pay for the situation ! The main people involved all support him !! Batman supports him but the bill fans who don’t know enough don’t ! Life Moves On
Isn't this a cheapshot move by the Blues? Nurse is overpaid. Now Broberg. Oilers are screwed. I wonder if the rest of the GM's are thinking about this
The nonsense political correctness name change made the league dissolve in front of me. When they changed it I never watched another game nor did I watch the Grey cup since. I remember the Eskimos as a kid 45 years ago... it's a culture until you let the goofy issue makers control it...then it becomes nothing...erased. Decades of history disappear and yo say it's nothing?
Erasing history and culture is what erased China's culture. The same goofy issue makers are bent that way. No, you're wrong it's a very big deal.
Cece makes what 3.8 million, Broberg will be making 4.5 and is better than Cece, and has more upside and potential.... Match Broberg and Hollywood offers! . Get rid of Cece, Perry n Ryan asap and get some cap relief!
The Oilers don’t have to pay Broby $5 Mil, they will pay him what he is worth and may pay less because we had the gun put to our head on this offer sheet !! He will get payed what he performs like !!
Huh????
Dude he will get paid what the offer sheet is for. That's why if the oilers MATCH the offer sheet they have to pay what the offer is for. So 4 5 basically.
@@greatboozard467 Ofcourse very simple, then some were saying and then after those two years they are stuck having to pay him more like $5 Mil a season or more and my reply was no they aren’t stuck paying him more if he doesn’t perform well enough to earn more….
Just because you are paranoid, does NOT mean youre not being followed
sounds like WAY too many dots connected and this is retribution
DITCH them both, try different players from the ahl until something clicks or you have LTIR money
Wrong, not ditching two stud former first round picks, we have worked hard developing them !! Both will stay !!
@@davidandersgage-pd3krwell they worked hard & they proved themselves when it mattered most! And Oilers management we’re trying to squeeze them for a total of 500k? I lay zero blame on the players. It wasn’t a big ask & they are so vital moving forward. Just don’t sign a perry for 400k above league minimum. He’s excess to requirements. It can be said oh this is what always happens with young RFA’s or offer sheets don’t happen very often. sure. Those things might be norm, but when it bites them and management did not foresee the possibility of what could go wrong it’s pure hubris & mismanagement!