Surprisingly, that's a real thing, and the moon is considered the common heritage of mankind. Belongs to all but none. CGP Grey does a good job explaining this with Antarctica.
These guys would probably have a nice space-chat irl and have a good time rather than try and fight each other. In space, at least in the 70s, teaming up provides many more benefits than being at each other’s necks the whole time.
Ed would have been like that, but he was completely wound up about the fact that he had, in the days b4, heard from his wife that his son Shane was braindead after being hit by a car.. Not being able to do anything or even be there with his wife, drove him close to nuts. I can understand his behaviour, and more over, I can appreciate the Russian's totally calm behaviour. Even after Ed suffocated him in the airlock, two punches to the face and discovering it was Ed that had disabled the Russian rover (The part he gave back just b4 he blasts off to save Apollo 24).
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 So that's most likely the reason the cosmonaut brought out his hammer. He knew the American might act out and attack him. I do remember seeing his hand shaking at that point.
It’s funny, when they’re outside the attention to detail is so impressive, but the moment they’re inside they’re back to normal earth gravity and there’s zero evidence they’re on a moon 😂
The cosmonaut was one of the only likeable characters in this, really hope he makes a return even if it’s just to have a phone conversation with Edward.
@@nicholassternon5857 just an episode ago Ed (the American) found out his son died in a car crash so he’s still coping here. It makes sense because he spirals into a bit of a psychotic break for the last 2-3 episodes
Ice can be broken down into oxygen and hydrogen. Hydrogen is a great remass for nuclear thermal rockets or a great fuel for chemical engines. Oxygen can be used for both propusion (burned together with hydrogen) and life support. You can also make ice into a structural material. Ice is *the* oil of space.
On the moon, ice water is as precious as oil, even more so. Hydrocarbon if exist on the moon still have its own value of course. You can make complex chemical with is and there is always a need for hydrocarbon even when the energy is plenty
By the international law defined by UN no country can poses a part of a celestial body other than earth But we must not forget international law doesent apply on the US
@@sovietpotatoes2353 That international law will cease to exist the moment people can travel to other celestial bodies for anything but short visit by few people and start exerting control and claims on them.
@Quinzerrak capitalism will not coexist with communism. America proved that with funding the nazis and then bombing millions all over the globe and staging coups, etc. How with the wealthy parasites profit off every aspect of human existence then?
@Quinzerrak negative. The sovet union was under western threat since day one. The usa did invade russia in 1917 to fight back the bolshevik revolution. Then they helped stage a coup to give boris yeltisn full power
Astronaut: "You're powerless now!" Cosmonaut: "Not exactly. He'll be here any minute." Astronaut: "Who?" Boyka appears: "The most Complete Cosmonaut in the world!"
@@cowmoo5596 Ice is also radiation protection, can serve as a construction material, can hold hydrogen isotopes with no danger of leaks... it's fucking awesome.
It makes sense the Soviet Union would have been keen to share the moon and outline it as a discovery for all. The Soviets likely saw no strategic value in trying to be exclusive about the moon. After all, Soviet foreign policy was more about security than most Americans realise
They valued security? You mean buffer states? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_state The authoritarians that dominated Russia, China, and North Korea under the excuse of communism were not righteous, but used the ideals of communism to brainwash innocent people into joining the secular government-sanctioned religious cult of "Communism". It used to be that when Americans successfully battled in another nation, the nation afterwards prospered. For example: Japan = 1st world country now beating America in certain aspects. Germany = 1st world country now beating America in certain aspects. South Korea = 1st world country now beating America in certain aspects. How about them control-freaks manipulating the poor with the ideals of communism? "Communist" North Korea = hell on earth "Communist" China = hell on earth "Communist" Russia = hell on Earth "Communist" buffer states such as Romania = hell on Earth. "Communist" FARC cocaine lords of Colombia = hell in Earth And the list goes on. Yeah, maybe communism could work some day. But communism doesn't seem to be possible right now without the use of force, coercion, social engineering, and manipulation... and that's not exactly a garden of flowers. Hardly any goal is worth achieving at any cost. Communists will never achieve their dream unless they are willing to give it up first. Freedom is important. Power to the individual to make or break his own destiny.
@@arielhernandez1638 yes, buffer states were a crucial aspect of Soviet security. The USSR and its predecessor in the Russian Empire had been invaded by Germany, via Poland, twice in the twentieth century, so they used buffer states in Eastern Europe to ensure any land invasion would not be fought in Soviet soil, especially as over 20 million Soviet people died during WWII. The Soviet desire for buffer states came about because they felt insecure, they weren’t just being some malicious empire hell-bent on world conquest. They were, fundamentally, terrified of the west, especially as Marxist-Leninist theory claimed the capitalist world would fight itself and that wasn’t happening. As a result, the USSR felt hemmed in to the corner of the world I mean Communism did show itself to be lacking in its competition with capitalism. No one would deny that living standards in West Germany were better than East Germany, and that South Korea is better than North Korea to live in. Of course, America is not totally innocent here, and constantly backed coups against regimes they considered to be too socialist, especially in the Americas. That being said, democracies could flourish under the US in a way that was impossible under the USSR. Life in the communist eastern bloc was probably better than you think but still nowhere near as good as the capitalist world. I wouldn’t describe it as hell on earth, though China under Mao and the USSR under Stalin do come close, because both the USSR and China did eventually normalise their countries somewhat and people could have predictable lives. I would disagree somewhat that capitalism doesn’t require force, coercion, social engineering and manipulation. There are well documented cases of capitalist countries coercing their citizenry and companies doing the same. US and British strikers in the 1920s and before were often shot at by police with live rounds. Capitalist regimes in the Americas launched some pretty brutal campaigns against their own people, including the Argentine ‘Dirty War’. The US too has implemented dictatorships in countries to secure the interests of US companies, such as the United Fruit Company in Central America or the Oil companies in the Middle East. These aren’t as bloody as some communist regimes’ actions, but it shows that the US’ moral high ground is a bit shaky As for use of force and coercion, communists do kind of back that. Communism is a broad church with competing interpretations, but Marx’s writings do suggest coercion will be necessary. For Marx, history was violent and totally about class struggle. The development of capitalism into communism via socialism was an inevitable part of history, and would be achieved by the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie and the institution of a dictatorship of the proletariat. Violence was a part of the doctrine. To make people into true communists, you had to coerce them using the forces of coercion: bureaucracy, police and military. These forces, after all, were used by capitalist countries to ensure the rule of the bourgeoisie. It made sense that they should be used by the proletariat to avoid exploitation. Now I and plenty of other socialists disagree with a lot of this. Marx was not the founder of socialism anyway, there were older radicals and theorists such as Richard Owen. I agree that using violent coercion is not the answer and that socialism should be built on consent, not on violence. I think socialism should be ready to meet violence or any other challenge with those same acts, but this has to be defensive and never to attack. The rule of law, essential dignity of mankind and responsibility are all things all politicians should embody.
Resqwec Interesting read, it’s not often you find a socialist willing to expand on their world view. I believe it to be utopian dream and a dystopian reality but in all honesty our views may only differ on our empathy or belief in human potential.
@@FormerGovernmentHuman probably so. I think there’s a lot of misinformation out there about socialism which doesn’t help. Personally, I find the beliefs which people claim to be protecting from socialism are often what spur me to ascribe to it. Those ideas of the rule of law, the universal dignity of human life, cooperation and freedom. Socialism in my country has been used to expand opportunities and lives, especially through a socialised health care system. True freedom must come from the absence of fear, and true respect of human dignity shouldn’t allow people to live in poverty while some have wealth they could spend a lifetime counting. This also doesn’t have to be utopian. Decent welfare states have been achieved in social democratic countries in Europe and exist today. They used to be a lot more common, but they still exist. A democracy which have socialised welfare states and nationalised services, that’s pretty much the dream as of right now. Sure it may become more ambitious as goals are met, but if people don’t like that they don’t have to vote for it. Those values though of the rule of law, dignity of mankind, responsibility and freedom though are the most important things. I don’t believe in those things because I’m a socialist, I am a socialist because I believe in those things. I think a lot of world leaders have forgotten the importance of those values, how precious they are and how they need to be secured. It’s why scientific socialism, the belief in socialism because it’s more efficient than capitalism, has never sat well with me. Conviction and belief should always be of the heart, even if policy is of the brain. Only then can you act with honesty and integrity. That’s my two cents on it anyway
I thought he killed him until I watched the next episode. I love his comment "..We are on the Dark Ocean together. We have no choice but to trust each other." Space is the Darkest, loneliest of Oceans known to mankind.
@@arielhernandez1638 what a fucking joke. Tell that to the natives, the afghanis, Iranis... or even the african-Americans slaughtered during George Floyd protests last year
It is funny when you take into account that the USA astronaut purposefully compromised the rover of the USSR cosmonaut so that the only choice for him would be to ask for shelter in the USA base (where he was promptly knocked out and interrogated) or die via suffocation as there was no way for him to get back to his own base with his vehicle compromised.
@@sparksfly5877 Mark Ivanir who plays the Russian cosmonaut here plays a Russian cosmonaut named Misha, in a crew to Mars in the 2020 Netflix show “Away”.
I haven’t seen this show in its entirety, but based on most clips and trailers I’ve seen the Americans seem to be incredibly hostile to the Soviets and the Soviets seem to just be chillin.
I watched till episode 7 but I know why Americans hostile here, because they think the Soviet are spying on them and stealing and also *SPOILER* they think KGB is the reason why Apollo 23 exploded.
@@agbag8185 SPOILERS Yes they were spying Tbh not sure if they had anything to do with apollo 23 ALTHOUGH in real life declassified cia docs it is HEAVILY implied that the soviets had something to do with the challenger explosion (O Ring failure at regular operating temps, albeit on the cooler side, is the official explanation)
in the shows context the soviets have been spying and "stealing" from them for the last couple years or so, the american here was also on the moon for a few years and recently days ago was told the news that his son died so he spiraled into a state.
The soviets aren’t rlly present until the second season rlly, until at the start they seize an American mining site by force and injure an astronaut I think, which causes the us to send marines to the moon
Soviet astronaut is played by an israeli actor who makes a funny role in the israeli soap opera "The Beauty and the Baker". I was very surprised to see him in this series.
0:25 if anyone doesn’t understand what he is referring to the American astronaut was a pilot during the Korean War, during the war the soviets had volunteers flying in mig-15s for the North Koreans
I like how this cosmonaut was able to cobble together a listening device that no one tracked down for over a decade after he was left alone in the Jamestown module... Like, he had to have been planted, there's no way he'd have the parts to do so otherwise
“English, I know you learn it” Next season: Russian cosmonauts caught trespassing get shot and killed by American space marines because they can’t speak English…
It's ironic in that he's actually behaving as a U.S. astronaut would in our reality and for the same reason...it's not hard being magnanimous when you win (and I don't mean that with an ounce of mockery of any of the characters, just a simple statement of fact in regard to the human psyche, etc.)
Neither of them are good or bad here. They were both trying to survive on the Moon, while fulfilling orders off their states and keeping their equipment. They both had a fair share of troubles.
Congratulations, you fell for the obvious narrative Hollywood has crafted here, and they even got you thinking you came to that conclusion on your own.
irl a lot of astronauts and cosmonauts didnt really care about the politics of it all and more wanted to just help humanity out and take one for the team
Yeah, but he's a special case. He had been under extreme psychological stress. The relief mission had been delayed multiple times, one crewmember even almost went insane. So the other crewmember went back to earth together leaving him alone. Imagine staying on the moon alone for weeks on end. Then he discovers his son had a braindeath. Add on top of that, he had no one there physically to grieve with.
USA Astronaut: Are you trying to hitting my suit? Ussr Astronaut: No my friend i tried stop hitting you if your not suspecious USA astronaut: What did it cost? USSR astronaut: Nothing...
Btw USSR doesnt use the term Astronaut that's made up by USA they use the term Cosmonaut look up Lemmino on youtube 10/10 suggest watching him insane indept video and quality
more like who ever lands there, lives there, builds and army, and holds down the fort will own it along with his new nation of Moonkin. Then it will no longer Earthing's moon.
He's not entirely psychologically stable at this point, though, due to a multitude of factors (both Earthside and Moonside). He becomes so obsessed with learning about what Soviets are trying to do in the crater, NASA, eventually, resorts to remotely flickering lights in Jamestown base in Morse code, because he continues to ignore all other communication attempts after capture of Soviet cosmonaut.
Well, he lost a family member on Earth and was alone on the Moon as his colleagues had to leave because of an injury. He was also given orders to spy on Soviets
It's one of the reasons i think the show is so powerful showing how far we have come in the last 50 years that we will openly work together and fighting like they do just seems so wrong, silly and childish in the grand scheme of space.
@@mikeyorkav4039 You do realize that "glassing" America means the Soviet Union gets "glassed" as well thanks to MAD, right? This is why your team lost lol bunch of incompetent morons.
Problem is in reality Russia's government and the West don't share equitable moral values, and probably never will since they're not really challenged on it. Realistically the only things that could drive Russia and the West together would be a massive cultural and governmental change, or increased hostilities between Russia and China causing Russia to ally itself more closely with the United States and Europe.
@@ExOccult what kind of future humanity do you want tho thats the point would you like rights and freedom or to be told what you are and what to think america vs ussr/soclism
No, when communists say “everybody,” they mean everybody. Communism is literally a stateless society; the state is the people. All the people; democratically. That’s the end goal of Marxism. Read a book, stop talking about shit you don’t understand.
@@avI4439 a pressurized capsule has virtually nothing to do with it other than their ability to breathe and live. they’d still be experiencing ~1/6th gravity, and would not be walking around like this in reality without magnetic smart boots; which they don’t. It’s just budget, stop spreading information that’s not accurate as if it’s fact.
@@Zacharysharkhazard damn did my comment really get you that triggered? Its one single comment. Quit crying. I'm just repeating what @Milton Ferreira said. There are scenes where they were floating.
The moon has 1/6 of Earth’s gravity. Enough to walk around and the reason why you see footage of astronauts hopping outside is because of their bulky suits.
“This is the moon, it belongs to everyone”. He says after stealing his equipment and putting his base under surveillance. If the Soviets are all about sharing, why didn’t they offer the Americans their stuff?
Communism doesn’t work. And maybe the seeming contradiction elucidated by the statements above might give one a clue as to exactly why that is. Just saying.😉
Have you watched the show? I think you are missing the context behind this scene, alot happened to ed (The american) in the time leading up to this scene
@@cowmoo5596 Yes, I've watched the whole show, which is how I know it's 2020 radical leftists' fantasy of rewriting history. It's OBVIOUS they (Hollywood) wants us to take the communist's side in this scene.
Tim Suetens Ok and? Ed is obviously a little unhinged after all the shit that happened to him. I disagree with the Marxist Lenninist way of life, but I wouldn’t side with a goddamn looney instead (though what’s the difference kek)
Is this the dude who got shot in that other clip? The guy who reached for a translator card? The guy who's now speaking English without the need of a translator card?
"This is the moon, mister. Belongs to everyone"
That's the most soviet thing i've ever heard today
Surprisingly, that's a real thing, and the moon is considered the common heritage of mankind. Belongs to all but none. CGP Grey does a good job explaining this with Antarctica.
Socialist slaughter everyone everywhere equally..
It is so
Allan Desmond ur comment is the biggest bruh i’ve ever seen.
@@_jagerbomb Pol Pot was an is a great socialist leader who brought social justice an equality to millions of his country men..
American astronaut : what are you doing in my teritory
Ussr cosmonaut : you mean our teritory
*Soviet Anthem intensifies*
You mean DURTY COMMIE MUSIC INTENSIFYS
Elon Musk knocks: "Hey! What are you both doing on my moon?!"
USSR Cosmonaut (without one bit of irony )😜: "Oh Jesus Christ 🙄😒"
@@nucflashevent you mean *_our Moon_*
Capitalism vs Communism in a nutshell
These guys would probably have a nice space-chat irl and have a good time rather than try and fight each other. In space, at least in the 70s, teaming up provides many more benefits than being at each other’s necks the whole time.
Ed would have been like that, but he was completely wound up about the fact that he had, in the days b4, heard from his wife that his son Shane was braindead after being hit by a car.. Not being able to do anything or even be there with his wife, drove him close to nuts. I can understand his behaviour, and more over, I can appreciate the Russian's totally calm behaviour. Even after Ed suffocated him in the airlock, two punches to the face and discovering it was Ed that had disabled the Russian rover (The part he gave back just b4 he blasts off to save Apollo 24).
From what I’ve seen of this show the space race and Cold War in general seems much more contentious in this universe so... maybe not.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 So that's most likely the reason the cosmonaut brought out his hammer. He knew the American might act out and attack him. I do remember seeing his hand shaking at that point.
This is an alternate history
@@Comical1984 such a beautiful moment
It’s funny, when they’re outside the attention to detail is so impressive, but the moment they’re inside they’re back to normal earth gravity and there’s zero evidence they’re on a moon 😂
Did the same with The Martian.
It's very expensive to replicate zero G or even low G environment. For a show like this, I think what they got is good enough
The expanse does it the best
well, MAYBBBEEE for whatever reason, the American dude was wearing shoes with suction cups and tied the USSR guy into the floor real good xD
SiVel He wouldn’t need suction cups, just large magnets on his foot.
The cosmonaut was one of the only likeable characters in this, really hope he makes a return even if it’s just to have a phone conversation with Edward.
everyone acted like such an asshole. Youd think nasa would go more in depth in their psychological evaluations
@@nicholassternon5857 You havent seen the show?
@Boi ?
@@nicholassternon5857 just an episode ago Ed (the American) found out his son died in a car crash so he’s still coping here. It makes sense because he spirals into a bit of a psychotic break for the last 2-3 episodes
He bugged US base afterwards
US Astronaut: My Ice!
Ussr Cosmonautut : OUR ICE!
What if there isn't enough ice for everyone? who gets it?
If Americans are doing all this over some ice, imagine what would happen if the moon had OIL
Ice can be broken down into oxygen and hydrogen. Hydrogen is a great remass for nuclear thermal rockets or a great fuel for chemical engines. Oxygen can be used for both propusion (burned together with hydrogen) and life support. You can also make ice into a structural material. Ice is *the* oil of space.
@@caav56 wow there dont give them ideas for new episodes
@@caav56 Titan: Why am I hearing boss music?
On the moon, ice water is as precious as oil, even more so. Hydrocarbon if exist on the moon still have its own value of course. You can make complex chemical with is and there is always a need for hydrocarbon even when the energy is plenty
@@caav56 Are you fucking stupid?
name: For all mankind
US astronaut: M I N E
Soviet Cosmonaut: *O U R S*
Edit: Nice one bro ;)
For humanity! Unless youre not from us
@@zeux6634 I'm not.
@@IshijimaKairo same
@@zeux6634 Great.
He just wanted some ice for his drinks. Relax man he is a russian telling the truth
Need some Helium-3 for his vodka
@@thefirstsin Yeah he just want friend to drink his vodka with
He even cut off his oxygen. ITS JUST ICE?
I'm surprised they didn't have cancer from breathing even a tiny bit of regolith.
A likely story
America: MY MOON
USSR: the worlds moon
Their mine though.
Well if the USSR takes over the world it can be the worlds moon and a soviet moon at the same time.
@@user-xg8yy7yl1d
I Think that's what the USSR was gunning for from day 1.
Marxist slaughter millions with compassion an social Justice..
that sums up the Russia America relationship pretty well
The moon doesn't have territory ill give the Russian that
It's our territory if we defend it good luck to the other guy saying it isn't
You can still put property on the moon, he used their lift without permission
He also stole their equipment, put their base on surveillance and when confronted, threatened Ed with a hammer.
By the international law defined by UN no country can poses a part of a celestial body other than earth
But we must not forget international law doesent apply on the US
@@sovietpotatoes2353 That international law will cease to exist the moment people can travel to other celestial bodies for anything but short visit by few people and start exerting control and claims on them.
"There is enough ice for everyone"
*Soviet Anthem plays*
problem with communism is you put everything under government control with no individual freedom or a chance for entrepreneurship.
@Quinzerrak capitalism will not coexist with communism. America proved that with funding the nazis and then bombing millions all over the globe and staging coups, etc.
How with the wealthy parasites profit off every aspect of human existence then?
@Quinzerrak negative. The sovet union was under western threat since day one. The usa did invade russia in 1917 to fight back the bolshevik revolution.
Then they helped stage a coup to give boris yeltisn full power
American: What are you doing in our territory?
Soviet dude:Sharing is caring loser
@Russia is a Polish territory Well they didn't conquer the moon
pretty sure the USSR said the same thing about Eastern Europe.
@Samar3n whataboutism is a loser argument.
Gravity outside base: haha boing
Gravity as soon as they enter: normal
Explain this atheists!
What?
@@sahn-uzal787 it's a joke, not a good one. He's using the joke format incorrectly.
@@Birdman369 what format. i was just stating that the gravity is behaving unrealistic...
Well clearly it’s faked and this was filmed on earth...
Oh god. I sound like one of those people...
@@jimmy2k4o 😂
Ive never seen this show but considering and american laid hands on a soviet cosmonaut and equipment, he just started WW3
Fun fact, they become friends. But, Season 2 tells another story.
@@saifAlsuwaidi-gq4mn another story?
@@saifAlsuwaidi-gq4mn season 2 looks like they’re gonna beat the crap out of each on the moon lol I can’t wait
Pretty sure that would have severe repercussions...
U.S and Russia: *Compete in a race*
This guy: *Took it way too serious and almost killed a man*
Astronaut: "You're powerless now!"
Cosmonaut: "Not exactly. He'll be here any minute."
Astronaut: "Who?"
Boyka appears: "The most Complete Cosmonaut in the world!"
Cosmonaugts in background: BOYKA BOYKA BOYKA!!!
Ice ? I could of swore he said -OiL-
😂😂😂😂
Ice means water, Water means rocket fuel, and rocket fuel is the oil of space
@@cowmoo5596 Ice is also radiation protection, can serve as a construction material, can hold hydrogen isotopes with no danger of leaks... it's fucking awesome.
Oil wouldn't exist on the moon unless life somehow lived there before
Ice is space oil
The scene I cannot seem to find is the suit up and launch of Apollo 15. That's such a powerful scene and nobody has put it out yet.
Exactly! Had to rewatch it so many times because it was so good!
Search “Jamestown base lands”
It makes sense the Soviet Union would have been keen to share the moon and outline it as a discovery for all. The Soviets likely saw no strategic value in trying to be exclusive about the moon. After all, Soviet foreign policy was more about security than most Americans realise
They valued security? You mean buffer states? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_state
The authoritarians that dominated Russia, China, and North Korea under the excuse of communism were not righteous, but used the ideals of communism to brainwash innocent people into joining the secular government-sanctioned religious cult of "Communism".
It used to be that when Americans successfully battled in another nation, the nation afterwards prospered. For example:
Japan = 1st world country now beating America in certain aspects.
Germany = 1st world country now beating America in certain aspects.
South Korea = 1st world country now beating America in certain aspects.
How about them control-freaks manipulating the poor with the ideals of communism?
"Communist" North Korea = hell on earth
"Communist" China = hell on earth
"Communist" Russia = hell on Earth
"Communist" buffer states such as Romania = hell on Earth.
"Communist" FARC cocaine lords of Colombia = hell in Earth
And the list goes on.
Yeah, maybe communism could work some day. But communism doesn't seem to be possible right now without the use of force, coercion, social engineering, and manipulation... and that's not exactly a garden of flowers. Hardly any goal is worth achieving at any cost. Communists will never achieve their dream unless they are willing to give it up first. Freedom is important. Power to the individual to make or break his own destiny.
@@arielhernandez1638 yes, buffer states were a crucial aspect of Soviet security. The USSR and its predecessor in the Russian Empire had been invaded by Germany, via Poland, twice in the twentieth century, so they used buffer states in Eastern Europe to ensure any land invasion would not be fought in Soviet soil, especially as over 20 million Soviet people died during WWII. The Soviet desire for buffer states came about because they felt insecure, they weren’t just being some malicious empire hell-bent on world conquest. They were, fundamentally, terrified of the west, especially as Marxist-Leninist theory claimed the capitalist world would fight itself and that wasn’t happening. As a result, the USSR felt hemmed in to the corner of the world
I mean Communism did show itself to be lacking in its competition with capitalism. No one would deny that living standards in West Germany were better than East Germany, and that South Korea is better than North Korea to live in. Of course, America is not totally innocent here, and constantly backed coups against regimes they considered to be too socialist, especially in the Americas. That being said, democracies could flourish under the US in a way that was impossible under the USSR.
Life in the communist eastern bloc was probably better than you think but still nowhere near as good as the capitalist world. I wouldn’t describe it as hell on earth, though China under Mao and the USSR under Stalin do come close, because both the USSR and China did eventually normalise their countries somewhat and people could have predictable lives.
I would disagree somewhat that capitalism doesn’t require force, coercion, social engineering and manipulation. There are well documented cases of capitalist countries coercing their citizenry and companies doing the same. US and British strikers in the 1920s and before were often shot at by police with live rounds. Capitalist regimes in the Americas launched some pretty brutal campaigns against their own people, including the Argentine ‘Dirty War’. The US too has implemented dictatorships in countries to secure the interests of US companies, such as the United Fruit Company in Central America or the Oil companies in the Middle East. These aren’t as bloody as some communist regimes’ actions, but it shows that the US’ moral high ground is a bit shaky
As for use of force and coercion, communists do kind of back that. Communism is a broad church with competing interpretations, but Marx’s writings do suggest coercion will be necessary. For Marx, history was violent and totally about class struggle. The development of capitalism into communism via socialism was an inevitable part of history, and would be achieved by the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie and the institution of a dictatorship of the proletariat. Violence was a part of the doctrine. To make people into true communists, you had to coerce them using the forces of coercion: bureaucracy, police and military. These forces, after all, were used by capitalist countries to ensure the rule of the bourgeoisie. It made sense that they should be used by the proletariat to avoid exploitation.
Now I and plenty of other socialists disagree with a lot of this. Marx was not the founder of socialism anyway, there were older radicals and theorists such as Richard Owen. I agree that using violent coercion is not the answer and that socialism should be built on consent, not on violence. I think socialism should be ready to meet violence or any other challenge with those same acts, but this has to be defensive and never to attack. The rule of law, essential dignity of mankind and responsibility are all things all politicians should embody.
Are you actually this fucking naive....
Resqwec
Interesting read, it’s not often you find a socialist willing to expand on their world view.
I believe it to be utopian dream and a dystopian reality but in all honesty our views may only differ on our empathy or belief in human potential.
@@FormerGovernmentHuman probably so. I think there’s a lot of misinformation out there about socialism which doesn’t help. Personally, I find the beliefs which people claim to be protecting from socialism are often what spur me to ascribe to it. Those ideas of the rule of law, the universal dignity of human life, cooperation and freedom. Socialism in my country has been used to expand opportunities and lives, especially through a socialised health care system. True freedom must come from the absence of fear, and true respect of human dignity shouldn’t allow people to live in poverty while some have wealth they could spend a lifetime counting. This also doesn’t have to be utopian. Decent welfare states have been achieved in social democratic countries in Europe and exist today. They used to be a lot more common, but they still exist. A democracy which have socialised welfare states and nationalised services, that’s pretty much the dream as of right now. Sure it may become more ambitious as goals are met, but if people don’t like that they don’t have to vote for it.
Those values though of the rule of law, dignity of mankind, responsibility and freedom though are the most important things. I don’t believe in those things because I’m a socialist, I am a socialist because I believe in those things. I think a lot of world leaders have forgotten the importance of those values, how precious they are and how they need to be secured. It’s why scientific socialism, the belief in socialism because it’s more efficient than capitalism, has never sat well with me. Conviction and belief should always be of the heart, even if policy is of the brain. Only then can you act with honesty and integrity. That’s my two cents on it anyway
I thought he killed him until I watched the next episode. I love his comment "..We are on the Dark Ocean together. We have no choice but to trust each other."
Space is the Darkest, loneliest of Oceans known to mankind.
Is there anyone who wants another "season" which tells the stories but on the russian side like me ?
YEAH, I WANT TO SEE THE N-1 LAUNCH
There is coming 😍
me.
... if so, I hope without anti-Soviet propaganda
Season 2 had way more Soviets in it so I think in season 3 we could maybe see a few scenes/ subplots from the Soviet perspective.
I hate the Russian paranoia, I wish their was a movie where it showed them working together
Edit September 2022: Fuck me this aged badly
@@arielhernandez1638 fax
The sequel to 2001 a space odyssey shows this
Watch ISS videos then...
@@arielhernandez1638 what a fucking joke. Tell that to the natives, the afghanis, Iranis... or even the african-Americans slaughtered during George Floyd protests last year
@@arielhernandez1638 That is such a great description, no sarcasm intended. Top job.
It is funny when you take into account that the USA astronaut purposefully compromised the rover of the USSR cosmonaut so that the only choice for him would be to ask for shelter in the USA base (where he was promptly knocked out and interrogated) or die via suffocation as there was no way for him to get back to his own base with his vehicle compromised.
Ed isn’t just good look and hot temper.
He’s a class A strategist.
Great show ... can't wait for S2 to start this Friday. Sounds as though they're really gonna tweak history in S2 - looking forward to it.
Oh they sure did
Before Misha went to Mars
What?
@@sparksfly5877 Mark Ivanir who plays the Russian cosmonaut here plays a Russian cosmonaut named Misha, in a crew to Mars in the 2020 Netflix show “Away”.
@@mrb2349
I just watched the entire series only a couple weeks after posting that and *still* didn’t make the connection haha...
I haven’t seen this show in its entirety, but based on most clips and trailers I’ve seen the Americans seem to be incredibly hostile to the Soviets and the Soviets seem to just be chillin.
I watched till episode 7 but I know why Americans hostile here, because they think the Soviet are spying on them and stealing and also
*SPOILER*
they think KGB is the reason why Apollo 23 exploded.
@@agbag8185 SPOILERS
Yes they were spying
Tbh not sure if they had anything to do with apollo 23
ALTHOUGH in real life declassified cia docs it is HEAVILY implied that the soviets had something to do with the challenger explosion (O Ring failure at regular operating temps, albeit on the cooler side, is the official explanation)
In this scene The Astronaut just lost his son. So he is psychologically impacted.
in the shows context the soviets have been spying and "stealing" from them for the last couple years or so, the american here was also on the moon for a few years and recently days ago was told the news that his son died so he spiraled into a state.
The soviets aren’t rlly present until the second season rlly, until at the start they seize an American mining site by force and injure an astronaut I think, which causes the us to send marines to the moon
Soviet astronaut is played by an israeli actor who makes a funny role in the israeli soap opera "The Beauty and the Baker". I was very surprised to see him in this series.
“2 more weeks” NASA killed his son honestly 💔😪
0:25 if anyone doesn’t understand what he is referring to the American astronaut was a pilot during the Korean War, during the war the soviets had volunteers flying in mig-15s for the North Koreans
American astronaut : what are you doing in my territory!
Ussr cosmonaut : aeiou, John Madden!
I was waiting for that comment to appear
wait wtf?! how did Strelok (From S.T.A.L.K.E.R.) end up on the moon?!
HAHAHAHA I've thought the same
Obviously an anomaly
@@ROBOHOLIC1didn't throw enough bolts got suck into space during an emission
1:42 - 1:49
Sounds like something Walter White would have said.
when americans get there first... "That is ours!!"
but when someone especially the russians get there first... "That's for the whole world!"
@Klein in this logic whole universe is russian property then
Thank you for that videos. It's the 4th short video I've seen posted. Looks like I'm going to have to sign up for Apple movies.
Apple TV really need to make another series of For All Mankind where most of canon focus on USSR.
I have not seen a single bourgeois film or series about good communists.
@@TheElmar27 Because there was never a good communist. Communism only works in your fantasies. So keep it that way.
I like how this cosmonaut was able to cobble together a listening device that no one tracked down for over a decade after he was left alone in the Jamestown module...
Like, he had to have been planted, there's no way he'd have the parts to do so otherwise
“English, I know you learn it”
Next season: Russian cosmonauts caught trespassing get shot and killed by American space marines because they can’t speak English…
This is already a Diplomátic incident... Lost oportunity.
U.S Astronout : This is my moon
Russian : *No*
Now the comments don’t make sense because i
edited it
It's ironic in that he's actually behaving as a U.S. astronaut would in our reality and for the same reason...it's not hard being magnanimous when you win (and I don't mean that with an ounce of mockery of any of the characters, just a simple statement of fact in regard to the human psyche, etc.)
Neither of them are good or bad here. They were both trying to survive on the Moon, while fulfilling orders off their states and keeping their equipment. They both had a fair share of troubles.
There are no good as there are no bad. They just want to live, to survive.
Congratulations, you fell for the obvious narrative Hollywood has crafted here, and they even got you thinking you came to that conclusion on your own.
Bruh
Aliens are like "Look at these idiots"
Look at these fuckin losers
irl a lot of astronauts and cosmonauts didnt really care about the politics of it all and more wanted to just help humanity out and take one for the team
Yeah, but he's a special case. He had been under extreme psychological stress. The relief mission had been delayed multiple times, one crewmember even almost went insane. So the other crewmember went back to earth together leaving him alone.
Imagine staying on the moon alone for weeks on end. Then he discovers his son had a braindeath. Add on top of that, he had no one there physically to grieve with.
That Cosmonaut dude played the team leader on the Ghost Recon Future Soldier movie!
The man just wants a cold drink
Isn’t the American the same guy who played robocop in the remake ??
Yup
USA Astronaut: Are you trying to hitting my suit?
Ussr Astronaut: No my friend i tried stop hitting you if your not suspecious
USA astronaut: What did it cost?
USSR astronaut: Nothing...
Btw USSR doesnt use the term Astronaut that's made up by USA they use the term Cosmonaut look up Lemmino on youtube 10/10 suggest watching him insane indept video and quality
Imagine
Edward: What the hell you were doing in our Mine Ivan, What were you doing?
Cosmonaut: Blyat I was doing Tasks in Electrical.
I thought - "Why does Mikhail look and sound like Solomon from Battlefield 3?"
Turns out he was the voice and face of Solomon :)
Quick, make sure he doesn't have a nuke!
American:My moon
Russian: Worlds moon(?)
more like who ever lands there, lives there, builds and army, and holds down the fort will own it along with his new nation of Moonkin. Then it will no longer Earthing's moon.
The actor who portray this cosmonaut actually played the main protagonist in Ghost Recon Future Soldier Alpha.
I fucking love Joel Kinnaman. He needs to be in more big movies
So Misha from the Netflix series was actually a spy? The jokes were true!
Soviets want to share to everyone.
US:
I feel bad for the Russian man
This is really important for now and also future "This is the Moon, mister. BELONGS TO EVERYONE".
Murican: my mine
Soviet: Our mine
Second time the actor has been interrogated while being a Soviet Spy first and cosmonaut second.
As much as you would hate each other, both probably secretly appreciated the companionship.
All he needed was a detronic battery, Shimshon.
Such an antagonistic representation of an american astronaut. They even made him use "Ivan" as an insult to make us sure he's a bad guy.
He's not entirely psychologically stable at this point, though, due to a multitude of factors (both Earthside and Moonside). He becomes so obsessed with learning about what Soviets are trying to do in the crater, NASA, eventually, resorts to remotely flickering lights in Jamestown base in Morse code, because he continues to ignore all other communication attempts after capture of Soviet cosmonaut.
@@caav56
You can practically justify every over exaggerated character trait with psychological instability.
Well, he lost a family member on Earth and was alone on the Moon as his colleagues had to leave because of an injury. He was also given orders to spy on Soviets
@@VitaliyMilonov
That's exactly what happened, watch the show.
@@Szpareq
That still doesn't change the way he's written.
chill out dude he is just russian boi just wanted some ice for his vodka
Isn't it strange1? If the actors' roles were reversed in this video clip, how different things might seem.
Me: (SWEATS UNCONTROLLABLY)
This shows how greedy and immature an Adult can get.
what do you mean, the soviet bugged them, stole their equipment and the american, Ed, his son has died in a car accident.
@@joycemerlynjm thats the point
@@killer3935 but those were his orders..? What can he do? Say no? No right?
The first kidnap on the moon
Moon:.........
Britain: hey that’s ours
The clips I've seen of this show make it look good but sometimes it's misleading so how good is this show? Would everyone here recommend checking out
1:14 He's trying to communise the moon
This film's script was made for a cartoon not science fiction....
"Moon belongs to the whole world."
Both of their superiors would beg to differ on that.
nope, not according to the treaties the soviets and u.s signed
Best show ever!!!
he was telling the truth vodka its better with ice, thats all about 😁
Why are Russian cosmonauts learning Englisch and American learn nothing
The American isn't tied up, he can do what he like.
Guess what, Americans now have to know Russian to get on to ISS
@@yannikoloff7659 much better
Let them be like that at the end ignorance leaves a trail of stupidity in the US case its bigger than usual
well. the soviet school still teach english to their students. so kinda true when he said "i know you learn it, all you do"
kinda sad at the end that we didn't get to see the Russian dude
This video in a nutshell
American Astronaut: My moon
Soviet Cosmonaut: *OUR MOON*
Ivan isn't wrong the moon is everyone's so in all intents and purposes it should be a unified effort to make a colony in the name of humanity
It's one of the reasons i think the show is so powerful showing how far we have come in the last 50 years that we will openly work together and fighting like they do just seems so wrong, silly and childish in the grand scheme of space.
@@nineonine9082 Or perhaps it's a realistic portrayal of how humans would behave in space.
Yeah but capitalists be like "but i could profit off this"
Jesus, the soviet union should have glassed america. The world would be better off
@@mikeyorkav4039 You do realize that "glassing" America means the Soviet Union gets "glassed" as well thanks to MAD, right? This is why your team lost lol bunch of incompetent morons.
If us americans and the russians were to put our differences aside we would accomplish so much ...
Problem is in reality Russia's government and the West don't share equitable moral values, and probably never will since they're not really challenged on it. Realistically the only things that could drive Russia and the West together would be a massive cultural and governmental change, or increased hostilities between Russia and China causing Russia to ally itself more closely with the United States and Europe.
@@djii7837 well in my opinion its more about survival and the needs of future humanity . but I know hope is bleak Its I guess more of a dream
@@ExOccult what kind of future humanity do you want tho thats the point would you like rights and freedom or to be told what you are and what to think america vs ussr/soclism
Well I mean to be truly free is nice . I just dont think most people know what to do with freedom ince they have it
The same actor is also tortured in the movie "The Good Shepherd"
our moon comrade
Why is his russian sounds native and his russian accent while speaking English is fake?
Скорее всего, он носитель обоих языков. У меня тоже бывает такое, когда пытаюсь говорить фальшивым акцентом.
He is Jewish-Russian, probably speaks English with no accent
Это же Mark Ivanir. Он шпарит и по русски и по английски.
When a Communist says "everybody" he refers to the State not the people.
No, when communists say “everybody,” they mean everybody. Communism is literally a stateless society; the state is the people. All the people; democratically. That’s the end goal of Marxism. Read a book, stop talking about shit you don’t understand.
YOU want the ice. So do WE. lmao
Ivan: this is the moon, mister..it belongs to everybody....
*Soviet Anthem*
How come there’s gravity in the ship!?!
Theyre on the moon , theyre on a pressurized chamber
It cheaper than floating
@@sbains560 they're on a pressurized chamber. Plus there are scenes of floating
@@avI4439 a pressurized capsule has virtually nothing to do with it other than their ability to breathe and live. they’d still be experiencing ~1/6th gravity, and would not be walking around like this in reality without magnetic smart boots; which they don’t. It’s just budget, stop spreading information that’s not accurate as if it’s fact.
@@Zacharysharkhazard damn did my comment really get you that triggered? Its one single comment. Quit crying. I'm just repeating what @Milton Ferreira said. There are scenes where they were floating.
How this guy try and say its his moon silly Americans 🤣🤣
What happened to the gravity?
Mark Ivanir is such a badass!
Physics men wt happen to moons gravity
They aren't in clunky space suits, they don't need to hop (Although it would be fun)
The moon has 1/6 of Earth’s gravity. Enough to walk around and the reason why you see footage of astronauts hopping outside is because of their bulky suits.
“This is the moon, it belongs to everyone”. He says after stealing his equipment and putting his base under surveillance. If the Soviets are all about sharing, why didn’t they offer the Americans their stuff?
This Is not how Communism work
Communism doesn’t work. And maybe the seeming contradiction elucidated by the statements above might give one a clue as to exactly why that is. Just saying.😉
@@georgecisneros5281 Soviet Union wasn't a communist country...
What is this movie
I like the cosmonauts outfit. Hopefully it wasn’t itchy, being in space is uncomfortable on its own I imagine
I love how this show is literal anti-Western Communist propaganda.
What?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Have you watched the show? I think you are missing the context behind this scene, alot happened to ed (The american) in the time leading up to this scene
@@cowmoo5596 Yes, I've watched the whole show, which is how I know it's 2020 radical leftists' fantasy of rewriting history.
It's OBVIOUS they (Hollywood) wants us to take the communist's side in this scene.
Tim Suetens Ok and? Ed is obviously a little unhinged after all the shit that happened to him. I disagree with the Marxist Lenninist way of life, but I wouldn’t side with a goddamn looney instead (though what’s the difference kek)
It's Dima from Battlefield 3!
YOOOOOO ITS Mark Ivanir
What does he mean about ice loke ice for drinks?
Интересно
USSR : Dude i did nothing, i just doing my task and you sus to me eh?
Is this the dude who got shot in that other clip? The guy who reached for a translator card? The guy who's now speaking English without the need of a translator card?
Soviets irl: That's a nice country you have there, mind if we share your politicians?