Thanks for posting this. I learned a few tricks. I do have one thing to add though. The wood is quite stained after being steamed. This is a reaction from the water build up on the metal surface of the duct parts you used to build your steam box. The water drips on the wood staining it. I assume you will be painting the bent piece so it’s of no consequence. If you want to eliminate the stains, build your steam box out of wood with no metal from your screws or nails you used to build it penetrating the inner box. This will give you a clean unstained piece of wood. I learned this from working with a traditional boat builder. C
thanks Craig thats very useful. i hadnt considered the pipe being an issue, i thought it was some other contaminents. i do grind metal in the workshop from time to time so thought it could be that.
Good video! I have built two steamboxes: 1) Using “Siebdruckplatte” which is birch multiplex ply faced with melamine laminate, usually brown. One side is smooth, the other textured. It is WBP, and stands up really well to the process. About 3 meters long and 50 x 50 Cm, so needed a bigger steam source. Used it to make a laminated tiller for my boat. 2) Using plastic drain piping, wrapped with bubble-wrap as additional insulation. Much smaller so with a wallpaper steamer as source.
@@NewYorkshireWorkshop Actually, it's the wood! The oak itself is to blame.. yes, reacts with the metal, but seriously, haven't you gotten oak wet or seen weathered oak fencing? It shows gray discoloration.. White and red oak have tannins. This article gives more details on fungal and metal staining. www.woodcraft.com/blog_entries/woodsense-wood-discoloration To take more advantage of this concept you can cause oak to stain in a with a natural healthy finish. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia_fuming
I was an apprentice just over two years at a large sash and door company; and then worked on my own for close to twenty-two years and you did a fine job on that door. And don't let anyone kid you, we've all built a jig backwards at some point or they just buy from people who produce the bent stuff pre-bent. The wooden box is a good one. I saw a fellow with a metal tube like yours, he just put it at a 45 degree angle and as soon as water gathered on the walls it ran down rather than dripped on the wood. Hang in there, great video...
The first job I had in engineering was as a lab technician. I built a lot of prototypes with techniques I hadn't done before and some I hadn't heard of. One thing I quickly learned was to try a practice run. Bend a piece of scrap before your actual part. Could you parallel park the first time you drove a car? I doubt it. You shouldn't expect a new process to go flawlessly either. I have started building bows and I need to be able to steam bend the bow to make a recurve. I got a lot from your video. Thanks.
We have something over here (US) you could use and it's called aluminumuminum foil. As soon as you remove the steamed wood from the oven wrap it in the foil to keep the heat and you will find a better bend to your form. You can even heat wood in the foil over the BBQ grill and use no water. Then, put the burgers on that same fire for dinner. Your wife will love your cooking' no mess for her to clean up. My wife is always asking me to grill yard birds. We came from Wiltshire in 1635; grandfather Henry.
@@eniszulufepustampasic2799 If you, EnisZ, are more than 800 miles from the nearest town; yes, aluminiumununin foil could be something New?!?? hahah I grew up 600 miles from the nearest town and this tells me about a lot of things I just do not know about including wearing the same shirt for the whole week. My wife has stopped the dirty shirt stuff! Thanks from Chicago where aluminiumuuinuymn foil is a ready supply.
@@eniszulufepustampasic2799 Some say eeither, some say ayther - some say aluminium, some say aluminum. To me this was a neat way of covering all bases.
Thanks for a great video. I've worked wood and I made stained glass windows for many years and have always been fascinated with bending wood. I've encountered several doors and windows that had broken bent pieces, which I repaired with epoxy but would rather have made new bent molding. I'm going to build a steam box. Thanks for the inspiration!
When you steam bend wood, it will always ‘bounce’ back a little, so if you need to form a better fit, you will need to over-bend it slightly to compensate...nice job 👍🏻
, i got one question, if the wood cracks or splnters on the bend , would you mend it , glue it up , and what type of glue is the best??? Thank you much for the great video !!!
I really enjoy your videos because it gives me inspiration for so many projects. My wife and I are going to be moving into a new residence some time soon and I’ve always wanted to build a bar. The steam box would be a great thing for bending some profile beading for around the counter top and other areas. Your videos are so very inspirational indeed. Thank you for posting such great videos 😉
well thats just weird, Im working on a bar right now and used the steamer on it as well, hadnt used it since this video. Didnt use it for trim though, something else. watch out for the video in the next month or so. Thanks for the compliments!
i made a couple of steam boxes one was very similar to this the upgrade had a box built round it from ply off cuts and filled with spray foam i also added some wooden stands made from the cut circles to enable the steam to flow all round the timber
When dealing with bending in these attempts clamp the outsides first but don’t clamp them tightly. Then go from center. This will help give shape even as it quickly starts to dry. Also on ur box, with the weather stripping. Next time use a router to route in a minor circle where the strip will go and use a thicker rubber or latex that has a glue that isnt soluble to water or extreme humidity. Itll last longer.
That spiral duct pipe is very expensive and is a special order item in my city. For people not familiar with steam bending a little conversation might be useful. Suggest discussing how long to steam what grain types bend best. And types of wood bend best. Best information I have seen was on Engels coach shop UA-cam.
hi I'm in the process of building one of these, can you tell me the size of the pipe connector that you screwed into the lid, and where to get them from? cheers
My dad could have used something like this for violin building (he had worked out various "modern engineering" tricks for building/repairing violins, a lot of them in his book).
i like your youtube channel very much, i have some big wallnut live edge slabs, 10 ft tall, 2-3ft width, 2-3.5 inches! But they not straight. In your opinion, can I straighten them by steam, like building big steamer from plywood or steal, after put it in press?
I believe it was a 1/4bsp to 1/8bsp reducing bush, the 1/8 side doesnt matter, the steamer hose connected to the 1/4bsp male thead. available from anywhere that sells air fittings.
Things went well until the metal ventilator pipe came out. Metal is perfect for use as a heat exchanger and radiator this will remove the heat from the steam. Looking back in the past steam boxes where made from wood a dam good insulator keeping the heat in. Also in heating the metal pipe the box efficiency will drop and the runing costs in heat will go up. If you have to be modern about things use plastic soil pipe a not good conductor of expensive energy.
The first part of this reminds me of the scene from the movie Apollo 13 where the engineers on earth need to figure out how to make a carbon dioxide recovery device only using equipment available on the spacecraft.
Once wood is steamed, bent and dried, does it remain bent forever when subjected to a pulling pressure? I'm thinking of creating a back bend for a guitar headstock; once complete the strings extert a constant pulling force of about 110 pounds. Will the bent wood eventually straighten out? Thanks.
i dont think it would bend back but it would be important to make sure you dont stretch out the fibres so a constraining rig would be a good idea. check out engels coach shop channel, he shows that in detail.
Hi mate,just found your chanel and I like your content and work!One question,is a better idea using metal and losing that heat instead of a pvc pipe?Thank you and keep up the good work!
Just checked out a few of your videos and subscribed. Very cool. One suggestion, make the text bigger. Kinda hard for us old farts to read on our phones.
Does anyone know what steamer he used and if it can be refilled while in use. I am looking for a steamer that will continue providing steam for 3+ hours for thick boards.
I used a wallpaper steamer! :) unfortunately it is a bit like a kettle, the element is inside the water reservoir so in opening it to be refilled you are endangering yourself and relieving all the steam pressure. it will run about 30-40 mins so you definitely need something bigger!
i'm a total newbie at this could anyone give me a clue on how long to leave say 2 by 1 softwood in the steambox , or is there any danger in leaving it too long.
@@theangryluthier2244 I dont have any experience bending purple heart, ive read it can be tricky. should work on the thin sections for instruments although you may need much longer steam time and the wallpaper stripper only lasts about 1 hour before it needs refilling so you may need a larger capacity steam generator. also maybe soak it in water to increase moisture content first if you have problems.
One rule of thumb I remember is one hour of steaming for each inch of thickness. A trick I've learned is to pre-soak the wood in a bathtub or other vessel to accelerate the steaming process.
it is called the 14 year itch, its name changes every year. it is possible that i will do videos on it at some point but i dont have time to work on it right now and havent for a few years.
Like any pressured tube you should have made more circumference flanges and built an insulated box around the whole thibng and sprayed in foam for insulation and strength. HVAC tube is a good idea thoughh. The support wires could be stronger and be below center to enlarge capacity and you can always put in a spacer to get to exact max size once below center. You have limited it. No temp gauge. a thermometer is a necessity. You are working blind. You probably are below 200F inside with your ltd. pressure it should go over 230 to be moer effective. it is steaming not boiling. Also you are stretching the woodaround the bends = bad, without stops and steel straps you must klearn to put wood into compression. If you want to do bending right. These videos can be a savior or a curse to arts and crafts.
Thanks for posting this. I learned a few tricks. I do have one thing to add though. The wood is quite stained after being steamed. This is a reaction from the water build up on the metal surface of the duct parts you used to build your steam box. The water drips on the wood staining it. I assume you will be painting the bent piece so it’s of no consequence. If you want to eliminate the stains, build your steam box out of wood with no metal from your screws or nails you used to build it penetrating the inner box. This will give you a clean unstained piece of wood.
I learned this from working with a traditional boat builder. C
thanks Craig thats very useful. i hadnt considered the pipe being an issue, i thought it was some other contaminents. i do grind metal in the workshop from time to time so thought it could be that.
Good video!
I have built two steamboxes:
1) Using “Siebdruckplatte” which is birch multiplex ply faced with melamine laminate, usually brown. One side is smooth, the other textured. It is WBP, and stands up really well to the process. About 3 meters long and 50 x 50 Cm, so needed a bigger steam source. Used it to make a laminated tiller for my boat.
2) Using plastic drain piping, wrapped with bubble-wrap as additional insulation. Much smaller so with a wallpaper steamer as source.
Yes, needs improvements - insulate it, condensate drain, steam proof seal and vent pipe to outside = stops damp in workshop
@@NewYorkshireWorkshop Actually, it's the wood! The oak itself is to blame.. yes, reacts with the metal, but seriously, haven't you gotten oak wet or seen weathered oak fencing? It shows gray discoloration.. White and red oak have tannins. This article gives more details on fungal and metal staining. www.woodcraft.com/blog_entries/woodsense-wood-discoloration To take more advantage of this concept you can cause oak to stain in a with a natural healthy finish. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia_fuming
Can you tell me how boat builders cut the planks to size before steam bending them and putting them in place?
I was an apprentice just over two years at a large sash and door company; and then worked on my own for close to twenty-two years and you did a fine job on that door. And don't let anyone kid you, we've all built a jig backwards at some point or they just buy from people who produce the bent stuff pre-bent. The wooden box is a good one. I saw a fellow with a metal tube like yours, he just put it at a 45 degree angle and as soon as water gathered on the walls it ran down rather than dripped on the wood. Hang in there, great video...
The first job I had in engineering was as a lab technician. I built a lot of prototypes with techniques I hadn't done before and some I hadn't heard of. One thing I quickly learned was to try a practice run. Bend a piece of scrap before your actual part. Could you parallel park the first time you drove a car? I doubt it. You shouldn't expect a new process to go flawlessly either. I have started building bows and I need to be able to steam bend the bow to make a recurve. I got a lot from your video. Thanks.
Been a carpenter for quite some years now.learnt some new tricks watching your video. Thank you
We have something over here (US) you could use and it's called aluminumuminum foil. As soon as you remove the steamed wood from the oven wrap it in the foil to keep the heat and you will find a better bend to your form. You can even heat wood in the foil over the BBQ grill and use no water. Then, put the burgers on that same fire for dinner. Your wife will love your cooking' no mess for her to clean up. My wife is always asking me to grill yard birds. We came from Wiltshire in 1635; grandfather Henry.
aluminumuminum foil???? this is something new!!! :-)
@@eniszulufepustampasic2799 If you, EnisZ, are more than 800 miles from the nearest town; yes, aluminiumununin foil could be something New?!?? hahah I grew up 600 miles from the nearest town and this tells me about a lot of things I just do not know about including wearing the same shirt for the whole week. My wife has stopped the dirty shirt stuff!
Thanks from Chicago where aluminiumuuinuymn foil is a ready supply.
@@eniszulufepustampasic2799
What will they think of next?
@@eniszulufepustampasic2799 Some say eeither, some say ayther - some say aluminium, some say aluminum. To me this was a neat way of covering all bases.
@@vincentrolfe1384 ...and you know I was only joking... :-)
007 pun was a nice touch!
but with what is the purpose of it ? mind control - you should not give google good ideas for advertising
Thanks for the video. Very helpful as I'm building a steam box right now. And excellent miters on your window top!
Thanks for a great video. I've worked wood and I made stained glass windows for many years and have always been fascinated with bending wood. I've encountered several doors and windows that had broken bent pieces, which I repaired with epoxy but would rather have made new bent molding. I'm going to build a steam box. Thanks for the inspiration!
When you steam bend wood, it will always ‘bounce’ back a little, so if you need to form a better fit, you will need to over-bend it slightly to compensate...nice job 👍🏻
10% more is usually enough
Le tunnel a vapeur c'est une chouette idée, j'aurais vraiment pas pensé. Nickel.
, i got one question, if the wood cracks or splnters on the bend , would you mend it , glue it up , and what type of glue is the best??? Thank you much for the great video !!!
Nice steam box. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎
I love your work and great sense of humor, a sign of a true woodworker!!
So that's what those a-frame ladder platforms are for!!! And all this time I thought they were for paint cans 😆
Brilliant bead work. Well done!
I really enjoy your videos because it gives me inspiration for so many projects. My wife and I are going to be moving into a new residence some time soon and I’ve always wanted to build a bar. The steam box would be a great thing for bending some profile beading for around the counter top and other areas. Your videos are so very inspirational indeed. Thank you for posting such great videos 😉
well thats just weird, Im working on a bar right now and used the steamer on it as well, hadnt used it since this video. Didnt use it for trim though, something else. watch out for the video in the next month or so. Thanks for the compliments!
love this mans sense of humour -- and his carpentry
this is just what i was looking for, was looking for what kind of steamer to use. wallpaper remover! nice.
Loved your James Bond reference
i made a couple of steam boxes one was very similar to this the upgrade had a box built round it from ply off cuts and filled with spray foam i also added some wooden stands made from the cut circles to enable the steam to flow all round the timber
When dealing with bending in these attempts clamp the outsides first but don’t clamp them tightly. Then go from center. This will help give shape even as it quickly starts to dry. Also on ur box, with the weather stripping. Next time use a router to route in a minor circle where the strip will go and use a thicker rubber or latex that has a glue that isnt soluble to water or extreme humidity. Itll last longer.
Nicely done...now lets have a look at that roadster
To avoid loss of flexibility, wrap your pieces in aluminium foil, so it doesn't lose heat/moisture as quickly. This is what guitar makers do.
You're Awesome. Thanks for the wonderful tips.
Merci 1000 fois pour le travail que tu fais. le contenu instructif, utiles et bénéfique.
My mate is building a 32' wooden boat. I think he'll appreciate this come fit out.
Love the car in the background. Great video!
I don't have any idea
going to try to make it tomorrow.looks easy enough thanks
That spiral duct pipe is very expensive and is a special order item in my city. For people not familiar with steam bending a little conversation might be useful. Suggest discussing how long to steam what grain types bend best. And types of wood bend best. Best information I have seen was on Engels coach shop UA-cam.
ua-cam.com/video/lLnC_KA6qy8/v-deo.html
hi I'm in the process of building one of these, can you tell me the size of the pipe connector that you screwed into the lid, and where to get them from? cheers
Pls what the name of the heater for ur project
it's just from a diy grade wallpaper steamer
nice! looking forward to the next part
That's awesome, I can use this for permanently pleating my fabric! Thanks!
Hey…same reason why I’m watching. How did it turn out ( that’s if you made one?)
My dad could have used something like this for violin building (he had worked out various "modern engineering" tricks for building/repairing violins, a lot of them in his book).
Could you please provide the author, title, and copyright date so I can find a copy?
Ah,...Victoria. Very good work and idees. Thank's.
i like your youtube channel very much, i have some big wallnut live edge slabs, 10 ft tall, 2-3ft width, 2-3.5 inches! But they not straight.
In your opinion, can I straighten them by steam, like building big steamer from plywood or steal, after put it in press?
I liked the idea and the video I just would have liked more information and keep the writing visible long enough to read it. How long in the steamer?
Thanks for sharing. Real craftmanship.
Awesome joints 👌👏👏👏👏🏴
YOU ARE ABSELUTREY BRIL JOHN BOY
Hi - some really good ideas here. Can you tell me what the brass fitting is that you attach the steamer hose to? Where would I find one? Cheers!
I believe it was a 1/4bsp to 1/8bsp reducing bush, the 1/8 side doesnt matter, the steamer hose connected to the 1/4bsp male thead. available from anywhere that sells air fittings.
Thank you 👍👍👍
great idea for a steam box thank you
Things went well until the metal ventilator pipe came out. Metal is perfect for use as a heat exchanger and radiator this will remove the heat from the steam. Looking back in the past steam boxes where made from wood a dam good insulator keeping the heat in. Also in heating the metal pipe the box efficiency will drop and the runing costs in heat will go up. If you have to be modern about things use plastic soil pipe a not good conductor of expensive energy.
The first part of this reminds me of the scene from the movie Apollo 13 where the engineers on earth need to figure out how to make a carbon dioxide recovery device only using equipment available on the spacecraft.
I thought that too!
How long to steam the the wood 1"x1.5" x 12' and where could we buy a steamer???? Thanks a lot
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isnt it better to soak the wood before steaming?
Does everybody else drill into their workbench too?
Thumbs up without a doubt for tiny touches
A regular pressure cooker would be perfect for small pieces
Master carpenter!
Once wood is steamed, bent and dried, does it remain bent forever when subjected to a pulling pressure? I'm thinking of creating a back bend for a guitar headstock; once complete the strings extert a constant pulling force of about 110 pounds. Will the bent wood eventually straighten out? Thanks.
i dont think it would bend back but it would be important to make sure you dont stretch out the fibres so a constraining rig would be a good idea. check out engels coach shop channel, he shows that in detail.
What is the thread size of the brass connector please? Cheers. 5:54
I think it was 1/4" bsp
@ yes that was my guess. Thanks for replying.
Hi mate,just found your chanel and I like your content and work!One question,is a better idea using metal and losing that heat instead of a pvc pipe?Thank you and keep up the good work!
ua-cam.com/video/lLnC_KA6qy8/v-deo.html
Just checked out a few of your videos and subscribed. Very cool. One suggestion, make the text bigger. Kinda hard for us old farts to read on our phones.
I watch it on my large screen computer and see a whole lot of detail I missed.
Buen trabajo, algún día construiré mi cámara de vapor para doblar madera como la tuya
Good work
Thx for nice content. What did the door end up costing?
Does anyone know what steamer he used and if it can be refilled while in use. I am looking for a steamer that will continue providing steam for 3+ hours for thick boards.
I used a wallpaper steamer! :) unfortunately it is a bit like a kettle, the element is inside the water reservoir so in opening it to be refilled you are endangering yourself and relieving all the steam pressure. it will run about 30-40 mins so you definitely need something bigger!
@@NewYorkshireWorkshop you can try to connect more than one to the box. :-)
On second thought, two are enough :-)
Why didn't you insulate it? It would have slowed the steam from condensing and made it more effective.
i'm a total newbie at this could anyone give me a clue on how long to leave say 2 by 1 softwood in the steambox , or is there any danger in leaving it too long.
How long did you steam the wood for?
What did you use to create the steam?? And where can I find it ?
He showed it in the video, it’s a wallpaper steamer.
The James bond picture 😂😂😂
good job
Exhaust pipe gadget mass. For sealed.
Top job
it bend so easy
Чудове рішення!
Shipwright used
Plastic bags in place and a gas can on a lobster gas cooker and a hose no heat losses clamp it in place bag and all .
i saw that being used on acorn to arabella. its a good idea!
What kind steamer is that.
its from a wallpaper stripper
6:24 - subtle 👍
That was tense, you got it tho, nice work!
Bond. James Bond.
you should not miter internal an internal corner as they should be scribed
nice!, how much time you put it on steam?
hi. it wasnt very long, maybe 30-40 mins since they are quite thin.
@@NewYorkshireWorkshop you think Will work on purple hearth?
@@theangryluthier2244 I dont have any experience bending purple heart, ive read it can be tricky. should work on the thin sections for instruments although you may need much longer steam time and the wallpaper stripper only lasts about 1 hour before it needs refilling so you may need a larger capacity steam generator. also maybe soak it in water to increase moisture content first if you have problems.
One rule of thumb I remember is one hour of steaming for each inch of thickness. A trick I've learned is to pre-soak the wood in a bathtub or other vessel to accelerate the steaming process.
Will love to see how you did the profile...
hi Hugo. it was already profiled when straight before i steamed it so was just cut as normal on the moulder.
Love your videos. What is the cool car you have in the background?
it is called the 14 year itch, its name changes every year. it is possible that i will do videos on it at some point but i dont have time to work on it right now and havent for a few years.
@@NewYorkshireWorkshop
Are you friends with Ratarossa? 😉
Really interesting. Good tips. Thank you
You are allowed to talk. :-)
@0:52 I think they have to due to the use of steam.
you need quick clamps for a job like this
Bend... James Bend...
Underrated comment.
How long should I steam a wood untill I can bend it?
Couldn't you use bigger C-clamps😂
Steaming mad at boring old straight pieces of wood.
Did I just see what I saw at 6:25 ?
6:25 jajaja genial
Now you can steam yourself some hot din-dins on cold days...
Quelle Gamine...
Like any pressured tube you should have made more circumference flanges and built an insulated box around the whole thibng and sprayed in foam for insulation and strength. HVAC tube is a good idea thoughh. The support wires could be stronger and be below center to enlarge capacity and you can always put in a spacer to get to exact max size once below center. You have limited it. No temp gauge. a thermometer is a necessity. You are working blind. You probably are below 200F inside with your ltd. pressure it should go over 230 to be moer effective. it is steaming not boiling. Also you are stretching the woodaround the bends = bad, without stops and steel straps you must klearn to put wood into compression. If you want to do bending right. These videos can be a savior or a curse to arts and crafts.
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"its too big" XD
“You know that, and I know that, but this door looks pretty stupid.” - you all know who it’s from
Wait do you just casually have a Ferrari under a bunch of dust and tools in the back?.....
6:25 +1
6:24 007
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First bending attempt was a learning curve! 👀🤧
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steaming hot