The Problem of Those Who Have Never Heard of Christ
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2020
- When Christians claim that Jesus is the only way to God, an objection is often raised: If Jesus is the only way to God, what about those who’ve never heard of Jesus? Is God unfair? Are some people just unlucky - born at the wrong time and place in history? They can’t possibly be saved … or can they? This brief animation addresses these objections to Christian particularism in a way that affirms divine justice and compassion as well as human free choice.
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I live in North East India, a part of the world people hardly know of, and yet the Gospel reached us and most of us are Christians. Our ancestors were tribals and nature worshippers. So I truly believe that God has his ways of reaching everyone that will be receptive to being saved :).
From Nagalnad?
@@krishnarjunmukherjee7987 I am from Meghalaya (Garo hills)
@@krishnarjunmukherjee7987 Manipur hills!
From Mizoram ✋
So 2000 years ago all North East Indians didn't deserve salvation, but white Europeans did? Seems racist. Seems God saves people geographically.
My goodness this is very well executed! Glory to the Most High!!!
Edit 2021: Didn't expect all these comments but let me clarify. There's only one Most High. YAWEH forever.
@Not the real Tupac Get behind thee, satan.
He is speaking from his mind the Bible gave no alternative. Hence people are making up for what God forgot to say. The Bible clearly states, I am the way the truth and the life NO one gets to the father EXCEPT through me...... there is no alternative left out it's a clear statement so this video goes against the Bible..
THOSE WHO CAME UP WITH THE BIBLE DID A VERY POOR JOB AT LEAST islam COVERED ALL its STEPS
@@muhdweb1 You should read the story of Cornelius in the bible. He didn't know Jesus but he was a good man, doing good job.
Jesus sent peter to him and Cornelius accepted Jesus as the holy spirit spoke through them.
Holy spirit is still working to save mankind. but people don't want to accept God because they love living in sin.
@@muhdweb1 1) If Jesus is only salvation, then God is unfair, because Americas, South Africa, Far East, North Europe, Oceania were kept in dark, never heard about Jesus for 1500 years. 2) If people can be saved without Jesus, then Bible is unnecessary. 3) If Bible is necessary to make people better beings and increase their chance of heaven, then God is again unfair for providing such book to some and not to others.
@@kr8962 1) If Jesus is only salvation, then God is unfair, because Americas, South Africa, Far East, North Europe, Oceania were kept in dark, never heard about Jesus for 1500 years. 2) If people can be saved without Jesus, then Bible is unnecessary. 3) If Bible is necessary to make people better beings and increase their chance of heaven, then God is again unfair for providing such book to some and not to others.
Here’s the scripture on this topic for anyone who is wondering.
Romans 2:13
“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.”
So you mean man can be save with out knowledge of Christ as long as they have knowledge that God exist and comply to the moral law? With this you are elimanating the doctrine of Solus Kristus ( Christ Alone).
John Fritz Bangrain The Word doesn’t contradict itself. Don’t get it twisted, those people are saved by Christ and “Christ alone”. Gods law (Word) is written on Man’s hearts why? So that on the day of judgement God can be blameless in the fact that the world actually does know the concept of Christ’s teachings but chooses to live according to the evil knowledge from the tree, thus being judged accordingly. The Bible is a big puzzle you have to tie together. Try looking at it that way to avoid confusion.
John Fritz Bangrain no but rather that with this knowledge they began to seek God out . The Bible says in Matthew 7:7 “ seek and you shall find , knock and the door shall be open .” with the knowledge already given to us by nature and moral law we should want to seek God .
@@algernontheabsurd4450 I still don't see how this pertains to people who lived before Christ. Did none of them go to heaven? Even people who came after Christ but lived in far off places. Even if they sought out God how would they come to Christ when there is no way they would have heard of his teaching?
Why assume Paul spoke for God?
reading the comments here makes me understand why most of these types of videos have the comment section disabled. all the trolls and ''experts'' come out the woodwork, causing strife.
Huh+??
@Dark Blue or... You could... You know...
Refute it with rational thinking.
Seeing that you're right and all
@Dark Blue well you can't know that for certain.
As most videos that make ridiculous claim... Is... You guessed it....
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Even though he proclaimed himself god, he is not. So the real god killed him.
@V H he is just a human like us, with flesh &bones. This is scientific era. Don't tell unscientific things.
My friend asked me this question, and it stumped me:
"If people are judged by what they know, and not what they don't know, why do ministry? Why put the option in front of them for them to potentially reject it, if they might be better off not knowing?"
First, we don't know what will happen, but most importantly, because God is glorified, both in their salvation and destruction, and he has commanded us to proclaim the Gospel and call men everywhere to repent
Also, regardless of knowing or not knowing, if you have the opportunity to share the Gospel, do so. For one is not saved based on knowledge of nature & the law, which leads to one being condemned but, the gospel is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes... Romans 1, particularly verse 16.
Well it definitely pushes the affirmation of whether they are or are not. And moreso, how can one uneducated in these matters be a light unto this world if all they know is a vague sense of a creator and a right and wrong?
If God reveals that to them and everyone else already- then there is little benefit for them to go forth and proclaim a message that is known. But those in Christ are called to make disciples of all nations, and if we are told to put on the whole armor of God- how mortifying is it to not assist those with the means of understanding this armor if we leave them as they are?
@@JoeGeorge319 well said, we do need to act with a vision
@@chinteshwarbabu9165 Yes, and the only true 'vision' for the church is to give the gospel. Matt. 28:16-20
I've been searching for a video to send to someone who had exactly that question. This is by far the best video! It's easily understandable, vivid and compact. Thank you!💖
Hi Laura, send the person the UA-cam clip,”Responding to reasonable faiths,what about those who have never heard “.
Thanks for this excellent video!
There where testimonies of people from people who had never heard of Jesus and unbelievers experiencing dreams and visions. I believe that God also make himself known through miracles, signs, wonders, dreams and visions. It is up to people to accept or reject Him and their experience with Him.
the key is that they should be aware that they're sinners and seek for forgiveness, and if they truly seek him, then God shall surely reveal him! They may or may not get a revelation of Jesus, like Isaiah did (in Isaiah ch 53) but it doesn't matter you know the name/person of Jesus, all that Matters is whether they repented of their sins and trusted in God or not.
God bless!
Wooow! Such a beautiful, creative video discussing a difficult topic with Scripture-based arguments and respectul answers to possible questions is not that easy to find. Congratulations!
Brilliant little video clip!!
So good! Thank you for these videos 👏🙏
I love your video, and I am going to use it to answer this question in Hation Creole, do I have your blessing? I will make sure I give credit to your channel!
True revelation here!
Great video!
God works in misterious ways.. the revelation reaches every heart. I am confident that Jesus is the way because at my weakess moments He works.
Bindiya Aulum Would you go trust a doctor who claims to work in mysterious ways?
@@DEATHCHICKEN1337 are you god
Shadow king 12 How does that relate to my comment? Anyways, I am my own god, you are your own god, and a dog is their own god. Self worship is not narcissism or selfishness.
I believe that us humans should not deny ourselves in any way. A better religion would teach us to be humans, that we should focus on this life as if it is the only one we have, and to respect the lives of other people.
@@DEATHCHICKEN1337 I believe in Christ not church and read the Bible
1 Timothy 4:9-11 KJVS
[9] This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. [10] For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. [11] These things command and teach.
"To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law." Romans 5:13
OOPS!
Romans 2:12 (KJV) For as many as have sinned without law shall also PERISH without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
there is different between the sinner who is judged and the one who is not judged,because God will not say
"Hey! why did you break this law?"
to those who dont know law,but they are still perish,burned in hell, basically because there is no need for God to ask (judge) people about what they dont know
CHRIST ALONE! NO WORKS SALVATION! WHOEVER BELIEVE IN SALVATION BY WORKS OF THE LAW WILL BE BURNED AND FALLEN FROM GRACE TO GRAVE GALATIANS 5:4 ❤️
Simply wonderful.
John 6:44
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
Don't this verse explain this question?
For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.
2 Chronicles 16:9 KJV
I wished the statements were accompanied by the passages from the Bible on which they are founded.
Or that there is a reference to an article in the description that explains that.
But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. Lk 12.48
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[7] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1,20
He is speaking from his mind the Bible gave no alternative. Hence people are making up for what God forgot to say. The Bible clearly states, I am the way the truth and the life NO one gets to the father EXCEPT through me...... there is no alternative left out it's a clear statement so this video goes against the Bible..
THOSE WHO CAME UP WITH THE BIBLE DID A VERY POOR JOB AT LEAST islam COVERED ALL its STEPS
He is speaking from his mind the Bible gave no alternative. Hence people are making up for what God forgot to say. The Bible clearly states, I am the way the truth and the life NO one gets to the father EXCEPT through me...... there is no alternative left out it's a clear statement so this video goes against the Bible..
THOSE WHO CAME UP WITH THE BIBLE DID A VERY POOR JOB AT LEAST islam COVERED ALL its STEPS
Does anyone have an idea of the software used to make this video?
And how and where I can learn to start making videos like these?
Truly amazing...
I'm not sure about which programs that was used for this video, but After Effects combined with Premiere Pro is a good option for videos like this :)
Good question... I also want to know.... And is it easy to use?
Most probably Adobe After Effects was used to create this. It’s not too east to pick up, but once you do, it’s super fun! I’ve worked in the field of Motion Graphics for 5 years now.
Yes, it was Adobe After Effects. - RF Admin
Thank you I was so confused about this I love this video 🙏🙏
What a powerful verse to end on
Just what I needed to hear. Thank you
0:15 - There're some people in third world country, when being forced to abandon their faith in the LORD by the dictator government, rather die (literally) than deny the LORD.
And there's in America, which prospers because of the LORD, some feel "deeply offensive" because of the LORD - Is it because Christian in the USA failed to defend the LORD? They rather choose to please the human instead of please GOD? Just like Moses failed to defend the LORD at Meribah and thus couldn't set his feet into the promised land.
I know especially the blacks. They came out of slavery after their revelation in Christ and their gospel songs went throughout the world and sang by everyone. Now they mock God too.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” The first amendment is literally the Freedom of Speech,Religion, and Press. America isn’t going to defend Christianity or any other of these other religions because everyone’s aloud to believe what they want and that’s what I love about my country. The only reason why Christianity is so present here is because that’s the religion all of the white settlers that first came and took over this land believed in and it mostly stayed that way. As any American should know “Church is Separate from State”. So the government isn’t allowed to do such things as defend any type of god/gods. To be honest I think it’s much better that America supports that anyone can practice their own religion rather than just promote pure Christianity.
HDN Share I hope you found that my comment helps you here.
The not so amazing grace Tnsag
I don't agree. Don't you see how bias is "free speech" in the USA right now? When you speak the truth that they don't like, they ban it as "hate speech", they force you to like Islam by label you as Islamophobia if you don't like. They insult Christianity and tell everybody that's cool.
You're living too comfortable in the country under God, protected by God, so you take it for granted. Remember the USA's foundation is the LORD: "In God We Trust" on the dollar bill. Lose this foundation then USA is no more.
"Church separation from state", ok, but the LORD is above the state. The state should be your servant, but when your servant anti your King - the LORD, you should defend the LORD by speak out against them & voting them out of power.
@@HDNShare they ban it as hate speech just as you banned my religion in your world and burned my kin at stakes as heretics and demon worshippers, they make fun of and bias to you just as you belittle and mock my gods and ideals for bieng simply different than yours, we hate and despise you like you hate and despise us for simply wanting to live our own lives, we work like anyman but when we put on our pendants we are shamed for bieng different and expelled from jobs for no other reason than bieng open to show a different faith that we do not even force you to join.
There is your bias
Beautiful
Question
what do you guys make of this scenario : Imagine a person named John (who has never heard the name of Jesus) comes to believe in God through the moral law and natural revelation. However, due to his geographical position, someone introduces him to Hinduism or Islam. So in this situation the God of the Bible obviously showed John natural revelations (& john believes in them) but John has mistakenly identified God through another god(s) from a different religion. Do you guys think the God of the Bible would still accept John as he is?
The Watchmaker hey! I’m sorry, can you explain a little better with what you mean when you say the question is inconsistent? I didn’t quite understand.
Are you saying that John should have first asked questions about these other religions’ morality before accepting them?
The Watchmaker I have the same thought pattern as you. I believe that God would try and help john out by questioning the religion he’s currently in. hopefully John would respond by leaving that specific religion.
Even if John never gets to hear about the name of Jesus during his life, I think it’d be best if he listen to that voice (which I believe to be the triune God) rather than stay where he’s at.
Kind of how Abraham knew who God was and choose to obey Him , yet Abraham didn’t know which religion to identify God with.
Do you get me?
The Watchmaker God bless you
@itsasin1969 Hey! that is a pretty disturbing thought, I agree with you. However, I just wanted to ask if you could lead me to the scripture where God created Hell before he created man. I'm genuinely interested in this. I was taught that the concept of Hell wasn't really a thing according to the Torah and that instead Hell wasn't brought up until the New Testament arose. (check out the book of Ecclesiastes, you might get a different perspective of what the afterlife is). As for the afterlife, unfortunately I can't speak on that. I don't what is yet to come and I don't know if Hell is a literal lake of fire or a metaphor that depicts isolation from God. Or if it's just complete cease of existence. But thank you for that thought experiment, it humbles me to know that I don't know it all. God bless you family.
@Why I Left The Baptist Church Hey! can you explain a little more please about why it would be difficult or impossible?
Glad to see this and know about our God.
Thank you that your presentation is in sync with words written on screen, it helps us to share, in my case in India .
Thanks and Blessings
itsasin1969 no God isn't sending them to hell, those people choose it by rejecting The Most High.
@itsasin1969 God gives us free will. It is us who chooses whether to serve sin or serve God, and most people rebel against God by choosing sin.
You wish hell on me ? That's a cruel sentiment, because I hope you don't go to hell.
I hope you make the right choice and choose God.
God Bless you
He is speaking from his mind the Bible gave no alternative. Hence people are making up for what God forgot to say. The Bible clearly states, I am the way the truth and the life NO one gets to the father EXCEPT through me...... there is no alternative left out it's a clear statement so this video goes against the Bible..
THOSE WHO CAME UP WITH THE BIBLE DID A VERY POOR JOB AT LEAST islam COVERED ALL its STEPS
The two Books "PEACE CHILD" & "ETERNITY IN THEIR HEARTS" would be a great help in this.
Jesus is gay
Muhhamad is the only way
@@krishnarjunmukherjee7987 jay shri ram
Beautifully done ❤
Who decides what person “would or could” believe in god? Is it god ? Then god sets some folks up for failure!
I totally agree, it does not sound like just and fair god to me
I want the captions please.. :)
Brilliant! I have a hard time explaining this and you did it in 3 minutes! Awesome!
More vids like this please.
Very nice!
These videos are so visually stunning! It’s like a textbook that has come to life. Absolutely beautiful! And of course I’m enjoying the content of the videos also.
Jim Zangmeister is a magician! - RF Admin
You know, some of my buddies who originate on a continent other than mine, like to share with me the perspective, 'It seems you Americans only believe what you see, what you read.' My friends are providing testimony to the power of the scientific method here; if it can be discerned with the (5) senses, it may be ‘real’ and testable for repeatability. Love the scientific method. Love the senses. Love Thomas.
Yet, any of us that deal with the question of what sorts of stimuli to the human being, produce an impetus to ‘think’ (or feel, for that matter)every day - deal with this all the time! (People such as neuroscientists, psychologists, linguists, marketers, information scientists, etc.)
Must we see or hear to ‘take in’ data? Must we use either sense to begin to comprehend? Must we hear to believe?
The nature of information is also invisible. It seems to many of us problematic, to insist we take in data from the physical realm, with sense organs which have mass, & are physical in their form - in order to use an invisible tool, namely, comprehension, to understand the Invisible. I think we all comprehend/sense this.
I wish there were verses here
My heart is stirred
This is wonderful Dr Craig! Keep them coming! 😄
Great video, like all of this series.
@@IMPACTPodcasterAcademy It's just more bs based on a fictional book.
@@DJH316007 This inst even based on the book, it is just made up crap to get round a problem with the book.
@@IMPACTPodcasterAcademy 1) If Jesus is only salvation, then God is unfair, because Americas, South Africa, Far East, North Europe, Oceania were kept in dark, never heard about Jesus for 1500 years. 2) If people can be saved without Jesus, then Bible is unnecessary. 3) If Bible is necessary to make people better beings and increase their chance of heaven, then God is again unfair for providing such book to some and not to others.
maybe i don't necessarily agree with the supposition being made in the video but you really put a lot of effort into it.. i'll applaud you for that
what editor is this??
Adobe After Effects. - RF Admin
“Our eternal destiny truly lies in our own hands”.
Is that biblically defendable?
And God Said 'I set this day Life and death before you, therefore choose life that you may live' Deuteronomy 30:19.
Therefore it shows here we have a choice and freewill. I dont need to explain much.
Depends on the context. The way it puts it in this video: yes.
No, not at all.
First free will in the garden is not justified today, there was a event calle the FALL, let's stop ignoring it.
Man after the fall can not please God naturally, that is why man must be born again.
How our destiny will be in our hands without destroying the attribute of God, because if he don't do all in our salvation, then he does nothing, but thank be to God that is written:
THE SALVATION IS OF THE LORD.
Well the way I understood that last phrase was in the context of choosing Jesus of Nazareth or not.
As in, my destiny is in my hands meaning its up to me whether I choose Jesus of Nazareth as my saviour or not. (I could have misunderstood the phrase in its context)
If you're holding a Bible, it sure is.
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Regarding the question of predetermination vs free will, just finding the right words is sticky. Volumes have been written about the subject, but I believe I read it from A.W. Tozer like this: light is both a particle and a wave. It is not a paradox. Both flow certainly from known principles. In the same way, the destiny of man is both predetermined and leaving him with free will. Both proceed from various verses and passages of Scripture. They do not contradict. It is just difficult to wrap our heads around how we can exhibit both properties.
This, right here, is the worst mental gymnastics I've ever seen.
Did you have an actual objection? - RF Admin
@@drcraigvideos Justify the children of sentinel island going to hell.
@@tvthecat You are right
The Christian God is basically telling them...
I created you with personalities that would have caused you to reject me anyway... so rather than allowing your free will to accept or reject
me... you just don't need to hear about me at all... you're already a lost cause...
I will humiliate you in this life with colonization... and in the next life with
hell... because of the personality that I gave you... without any choice of your
own... But don't worry!! I still love you unconditionally!!! I just gave you the
worst possible existence anyone could ask for... not because you've done anything wrong yet... but
you would have done something wrong... because I created you this way... But I still love you😂😂😂
@@siddiqalam108 fr
Thank you!
Those who lived and died before the messaih, Jesus Christ looked forward to him, now we look back at what he has done for us. The messaih has always been the point of reference for salvation
one doesnt go to hell for not believing in Jesus, one goes to hell because of their own sins.
Jesus is the free gift of salvation offered by God that they rejected.
Well… The sin of Unbelief in Christ is exactly why people go to hell. It is by grace through faith that believers go to heaven
@lordssideministries4062 you misunderstand my point. It is like sin is poison and Jesus is the antidote. You don't die because you didn't drink the antidote. You die because you drank the poison (which caused the need for the antidote). Let's put it this way, say a person was sinless and died but never believed in Jesus. Would God send them to hell? No. Because they didn't sin, not for not believing in Jesus. Now, it is IMPOSSIBLE for us NOT to sin, but that should illustrate my point better.
Incredible!!! Such a good video. Thank you!
Without my repentance of a large number of sins and the forgiveness of Jesus Christ, my soul would have been lost. Thank God for His Grace, in finally leading me to Jesus Christ. I’m 72 y/o before accepting Jesus I was a Buddhist and thought that I had it all figured out, though Nirvana can’t be figured out. Now faith is the only prerequisite. Faith is acquired by Grace
I didn't understand can anyone please explain in a simpler way?
The video explains what happens to those who don't know Jesus.
By telling you that they already know God by what I assume is nature. Which the video maker doesn't say why it's proof of God revealing themselves and that there is a moral law we all abide by. Which they also don't prove.
In India the problem is when we preach Jesus. They accept Jesus but say all gods are the same for them.
Ashik Jonathan yes bro I am indian christians
@@warriorofjesuschrist9616 amen. Be blessesd in Jesus name
Ashik Jonathan thank you.GLORIFY THE LORD IN ALL THINGS.AMEN
I think there is a plausibility problem with Dr. Craig's claim that all people who reject, or never hear and understand the Gospel (necessarily including people who are killed before they are born and people who are mentally disabled) suffer from a condition according to which there simply is no feasible world in which they would freely accept it during their lifetime and be saved. When I think about this, is seems to me to be massively implausible. I just cannot get myself to seriously believe the suggestion that someone who never heard and understood the gospel before they died would positively never have freely responded to it in any circumstances- any circumstance. Any? Really? The vast majority of people who have ever lived on earth have never heard and understood the Gospel. Also, we all know some people grow up being horribly abused by their own parents or brainwashed from childhood to become child killers/warriors. Very sad. Maybe they grow up with a distorted view of God. Are they too, people who would never have believed under any circumstance? To be fair, Dr. Craig does mention it is a "possible" answer.
I think Dr. Craig should stick to his belief which he mentioned in a debate in the 90's that after death, presumably on Judgement day, if someone repented and believed honestly in Christ as their risen Savior, they would be saved then- yes post- mortem. From what I understand, Craig does affirm this on God's part but he also thinks nobody would repent after they die. I happen to think that, of course, many people would. I can imagine many of the people I have known who were right on the "fence" so to speak before they passed away. They were becoming more and more open to Christianity but then were suddenly killed in an accident. I'm sure many viewers can imagine people like this who they've known.
2:12 where in the Bible it is mentioned that it is God who decides that when and where we born?
“He was despised and rejected- a man of sorrows, acquainted with deepest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way. He was despised, and we did not care. Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God, a punishment for his own sins! But he was pierced for our rebellion, crushed for our sins. He was beaten so we could be whole. He was whipped so we could be healed. All of us, like sheep, have strayed away. We have left God’s paths to follow our own. Yet the Lord laid on him the sins of us all. He was oppressed and treated harshly, yet he never said a word. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. And as a sheep is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth. Unjustly condemned, he was led away. No one cared that he died without descendants, that his life was cut short in midstream. But he was struck down for the rebellion of my people. He had done no wrong and had never deceived anyone. But he was buried like a criminal; he was put in a rich man’s grave. But it was the Lord’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the Lord’s good plan will prosper in his hands. When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of his experience, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. I will give him the honors of a victorious soldier, because he exposed himself to death. He was counted among the rebels. He bore the sins of many and interceded for rebels.”
Isaiah 53:3-12 NLT
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
God loves you so much and showed that by sending His Son to die for us so that we may inherit eternal life. We deserve hell but He gave us heaven through faith in Jesus. He took the punishment we deserved and by putting our faith in Him we can be saved. The Key To Eternal Life:
ua-cam.com/video/uZdv-TtiMkg/v-deo.html
For evidence for Christianity check out
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and ua-cam.com/users/CrossExamined
because if Jesus really rose from the dead it is the most important fact ever!
God bless y’all!
Amazing video!
Dr Craig, I have watched many of your videos, they are so simple and nicely explained yet they are according to what God's word says. Keep doing a good job 👍. This is very encouraging to all believers and implores unbelievers to reason logically
According to God's word? He literally said that the Trinity isn't essential.
@@major7977
When?
What part in this video was logical?
It made a claim we all know God.
But I don't know God. I don't see God in nature.
So who's lying here?
Me telling you about what I know about my experiences? Why would I lie in the face of an all powerful God?
OR is it the Bible lying about me?
This is funny to see how people make an ideology/religion based on imagination, myths or ideas, and not on things they know in reality.
The light of nature does not inform us of the gospel but informs us that there is a creator. The moral law shows us that we are imperfect people. You can know there is a God from the light of nature but that is not sufficient to know the gospel and be saved. The Scripture tells us, how will they hear unless someone preaches? (Romans 10)
He Shows them how to Live a Life Pleasing to Him, the Lord is Very Merciful, The Lord Yeshua Jesus Saves in any Time Line, Look at the Old Testimont and You will See Meny Examples of People Walking with Him in His Ways and Now They are with Him in Heaven,
what's the point of missionary work then?
Исполнять заповедь Христову: идите научите все народы.
Миссионеры - это Божье орудие по возвещению благовестия.
@@ban_tuo Can I get that in English, please, kind sir?
I love Acts 17 so much!
But if God knows that certain people will never believe in Him no matter what, why even create them to begin with? Seems like a waste of time, not to mention that they would’ve been better off not even existing considering that they’ll end up in hell forever. Additionally, there’s no real way that one could possibly know for sure that everyone who hasn’t heard of Christ wouldn’t have accepted God’s message if they had. And what about people who have heard about Jesus, but don’t believe He rose because the source who explained the Bible to them explained it in a poor and unconvincing manner?
No mention of original sin, federal headship? Or even man's deadness in sin?
This question/problem stems from the presupposition that everyone somehow "deserves" salvation, when in reality, all that we as fallen sons and daughters of Adam deserve is the wrath of God. If we truly understand what grace means, as being totally undeserved, we see that it is a remarkable thing that God would grant any of us salvation at all!
no one deserves salvation, but God offers it to all. We are all dead in our sin yes but not dead like Lazarus but separated by unattainable chasm caused by our own sin that we can never cross on our own.
The Grace of God has appeared to all men... the sins of the World was upon him and he draws all men to himself at the crucifixion. Salvation is available to all
@@jasonmason6909 Certainly you must be able to differentiate between God's redeeming grace he has for his elect and the common grace he shows towards all? The suggestion that God gives grace and shows favor equally towards all is not a biblical concept.
Brandon Henderson there no such thing as grace for the elect and common grace
Yes it does kind of give out that message...
@@jasonmason6909 I think he meant saving grace and grace which God gives for little things
The Christian God is basically telling them...
I created you with personalities that would have caused you to reject me anyway... so rather than allowing your free will to accept or reject
me... you just don't need to hear about me at all... you're already a lost cause...
I will humiliate you in this life with colonization... and in the next life with
hell... because of the personality that I gave you... without any choice of your
own... But don't worry!! I still love you unconditionally!!! I just gave you the
worst possible existence anyone could ask for... not because you've done anything wrong yet... but
you would have done something wrong... because I created you this way... But I still love you
Judged of what we do know of God's exsistance
One rejects right or wrong or to be saved
Reach out to Him he is not far from anyone of us💞
Well I love Dr. Craig I always look forward to him for most of my biblical questions. But to the above topic and his response to it. I am not very much satisfied, hence I got few questions:
A. just by observing nature and conscience.How will a person know the true God to whom he/she would want ask forgiveness, Will a person be saved if the person asks forgiveness to the stones or trees or moon? Or the spirit of rivers etc.
B. Why preach gospel to the unreached people group if they can be judged according to their conscience.
A. I think the idea of observing nature is that the person sees that there is an order to the world, and therefore an "orderer" or Designer (i.e., God). As for conscience, most sane people know that there are certain things that are truly wrong (e.g., murder, theft, rape, killing babies for fun, etc.). The biblical support for these two ideas are Romans 1:20 and Romans 2:14-15. So, the person will sense that there is a true God from their observation, and, because of their guilty conscience, will feel the urge to ask this God for forgiveness. Since every culture ever discovered has some sort of god(s)/goddess(s) theory/religion and some sort of standards of right and wrong, we know this to be the case. We've yet to discover a culture that was always atheistic. Unfortunately, people end up mistaking the true God for a false god (e.g., the sun, the moon, stars, demons, etc.) and take the wrong path. So, I think (and I think WLC has stated somewhere) that people coming to God this way is very rare. Which leads us to...
B. As stated above, people rarely come to God via observing nature and conscience and therefore need to be taught a more "foolproof" way to God -- through Jesus (John 14:6).
Thanks, Dr. Craig. You made the missional task a whole lot easier. Silly, Jesus. When you said go to all nations and preach the Gospel you really meant to stay away, lest you tell them, reject the Gospel, and cannot now be saved by their inner light.
careful there blasphemer.
@@Rude_Boi Me? The blasphemer? Dr. Craig posts a video that says our eternal salvation is in our own hands and I'm the blasphemer? Right.
Those who follow and practice love love God. Hell and heaven does not need be literal but also describe someone’s mental state and living situation. People addicted to drugs and in depression are basically living in hell. What they need to do is to use their God given conscience and practice love for themselves and others. Then can they reach heaven. This is why Jesus simplified the Jewish law as loving God(making your body a temple for doing good works) and loving your neighbor.
@@marcuswilliams7448 "Silly, Jesus". That's blasphemy.
@@Rude_Boi I wasn't actually calling him silly, I was writing it from the standpoint of the one who sets forth Craig's way of thinking in this video.
Can you quote more scriptures to back your statements? It will make the videos more “valid”
I agree with you and the fact that many people dont question about it worry me
Yea, but if you already know your Bible you wouldn't be asking that, some scriptures will pop into your mind, such as Luke12, Romans chapter 1 to chapter 3, Act 17...and God's foreknowledge. My recommendation to you is that, before watching any UA-cam video about God better know your Bible and if you haven't cover the topic, then don't make any conclusion yet, go back to the scriptures and make sure the verses that were quoted weren't quoted out of context. God bless you.
My view on this is that, the scriptures is very clear that the only way is through Jesus Christ. We have to be concerned about the command to preach the gospel to all nations. As for those who never had a chance to hear, God will have the final word.
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No. If this were true we wouldn't need jesus. We could just be moral and go to heaven. This whole video is false.
@@Sirach144 I think I made my point clear about the necessity of Jesus Christ and my stand on this issue. My comment wasn't to affirm or to disagree with them. I was pulling out verses that I think they used to make their point. The question that they are trying to answer, the more you think about it, the more profound it becomes. Since you saying that this video is false, can you please suggest an alternative answer that you think is true.
Perfect
How sure are you of this?
yes
People can still repent when Jesus Returns, i read that in the Bible and Alot of them will still REFUSE! Bottom line no one escapes judgement 💋
Yeah, and that's only what you belive without any evidence. Keep your faith, others will keep their brain.
Too bad you have no proof
The Bible says you can repent while you are still alive, like the thief on the cross. Once you die, it’s too late.
@@jeffspearman7359 1 who cares what the Bible says? 2 that's because that religion is so corrupt that A child molester can repent and go to heaven and the child who was molested can grow up not believing and go to hell. That is horrible. . Hitler who was a Catholic went to heaven but Anne Frank who was a Jew went to hell? Some great religion that is
So some people are predestined to burn in hell? Wow, what a garbage, "merciful" god you believe in.
Because you know what I would do, with my superior atheist morality? Offer second chances, to re-evaluate with more information and proof given, AFTER death, when we are capable of making better, REASONABLE decisions.
Because what we have today, is just some people like the videomakers, needing to defend a garbage book, with garbage morality, written by garbage men.
If you think that a woman being raped, should be not be put to death, if she doesn't scream out for help, you are in disagreement with the bible.
If you think that slavery, in all cases, is wrong, you are in disagreement with the bible.
If you think that there is nothing wrong with eating shellfish, you are in disagreement with the bible.
If you think women are not subservient to men, you are in disagreement with the bible.
If you think that children being put to death for being disrespectful is wrong, you are in disagreement with the bible.
And if you want verses to back these sentences up, let me know, it is not hard to find them.
All right this is starting to get absurd. Why is it that I can’t go anywhere without someone trying to get me to have faith in their all-powerful prophet or lord? Because I couldn’t say anything on other videos (as comments were turned off) I’m going to need to come here to rant about how silly all of this is. Let’s go from the beginning, shall we?
What makes your religion any more valid than anyone else’s?
A common trend I’ve observed my whole life is that all religions tend to claim that their god/prophet is superior to all others. The question is, who is right? Are we to assume that they all believe in the same god by a different name? Or Say that one version of the story is correct and deny any claims of everyone else? What makes one persons faith more valid than anyone’s else’s? The answer is nothing. Nobody’s religion is any more valid than somebody else’s because no matter what the religion is if you ask them to prove it they will all find a way to do so. They will all be wrong. And that’s because they always point to things such as moral values or their sacred text. The thing is, who is to say those sacred texts are accurate? For all we know these religions could have been nothing but the mad ramblings of a deluded man who managed to say the right things and form a entourage of followers who would spread it like the truth. And eventually, some would take it as such. To put it another way, the roots of religion are so muddled that any claims to prove it cannot be either proven or disproven because there simply isn’t enough evidence there to support either claim.
Why do I care?
Because I was raised Agnostic. Not worshiping anything or praising a book about a deity but instead keeping an open mind to the possibility of a god without putting my complete trust into one version. Thanks to that, I believe that If there is a god/gods than everyone got something right and nobody is objectively correct. That’s why I’m here. Because I don’t want to be told I’m wrong for the reason of “because I said so”. Or “because I read it in my holy book”. I want to be told that “it’s ok if you don’t share my faith, and I won’t try and validate it to make you join it”.
So please, if you have your faith I’m not trying to say that it’s fake or that you should stop believing it. I just want you to understand that some of us disagree and that we would rather live with you without being told we are evil and immoral for having our own belief.
You can test a religion by the morals it teaches.
House Stark In what way? Test to prove or test for moral quality?
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Moral quality. Religion, like any other idea, can be tested by what it teaches.
I have always thought of it as if God is all powerful and all knowing then he already knows if someone will make the decision to turn to him. So if he already knows they would reject it then why would he need to have it presented to them.
There is no such thing as someone who has never heard about Jesus. Everyone everywhere has at least "heard" general revelation, so everyone everywhere has an opportunity to be saved.
I respect Craig and much of his work. But this is an excellent example of how he often employs philosophical categories and reasoning where theological ones are necessary.
That's why it is better to use apologetics as a supplement to the Bible. It's easy to get tangled in apologetics and study that more than a person would study the Bible. It happened to me and I noticed it and stopped apologetics for a while.
Andrew Petty such a good point. Most people are far more likely to be convinced by genuine love than they are by a clever argument.
It’s important that we have the clever sounding arguments though! The ability to logically defend our position is what makes us different from a cult!
@@reubenfromow4854, I completely agree.
But do you all believe unbeliever will be torture forever, eternity?? Imagine if the unbeliever was ur mother dont you think it is boastful?
Well all is in God's hand 😁 my whole family is Hindu And I'm Christian I pray for them that Jesus may open thier hearts and also the hearts of many unbeliever cause he opened mine too this vid is accurate everything happens acc to God's plan even our birth and the place we live and we can accept Jesus if we believe in him cause I did where ppl are 80% Hindu yet Jesus Found me!
No, the wicked won't be tortured for eternity. The devil, his angels and the wicked will go into everlasting punishment. The punishment will be everlasting, not the punishing. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 6:23.
Babita Rai What if they’re praying for you to leave your god, to come back to their god because they want you be blessed again?
It’s God’s justice.
Ur argument is an emotional one. Not logical
There is no question about the existence of God. If God decides where and when we would be born, why would He let others be born in the family of Christians who has all the necessity to know Him, and why would He let others be born in atheistic families or in remote areas with no access to knowing Him? Is God playing favoritism? Isn't that unfairness? So, if those people who have never heard of Jesus can be saved, why is the need for them to know him?
Yes, to be saved is in our hands, and that is following Jesus' first and foremost teaching - Love God with all that we have. Loving our neighbors alone will not develop our love for God. The first commandment was not first and foremost for no reason. The question that many Christians couldn't agree with is who is God? What is His nature? How to love Him? Surely, we can't possibly love someone we don't know.
I agree with something J. P. Moreland said (in _the Case for Faith_, as I recall): God simply knows what the unreached would have decided had they been properly exposed to Jesus, and he goes by that. (People who have rejected Jesus knowingly have made their choice.)
1. If a person can be saved without hearing gospel, why bother spreading it?
2. What about people with mental illness? Babies? People who born in a tribes who worship sun/stone/animals/etc?
3. What about people who born on other religion? Eg a child taken to buddhist tempele to serve for their entire lifes? They sure worship buddha.
4. What about people who are in doubt, seeking, confused, lost, converting into this and that, trying to learn, understand. Cause all religion has god who claim to be the creator and the TRUE 1..not only christians, EVERY religion claim that.
The answers to these questions are surely there in the Quran (Islam) but not so sure whether or not in the OT (Judaism) or NT (Christianity).
Exactly.. everyone has different genetics/biology/brain development with different upbringings and experiences. I would say everyone is completely justified in believing what ever they believe.
Why is God creating all these people the way they are if he knows it’s not going to lead them being saved.. Why is he creating humans in the first place if he knows he is going to have make some or most of them suffer for ever.. I see it as all pretty absurd…
So not only is our bullshit true, but even if you've never heard of it, you still know in your heart it's true. Cool.
What they call "good news" I call a "glorified ultimatum".
God wants personal relationship with all nations, God is longsuffering that none should perish but all come to repents and believe in him. God Bless you and your ministry!
Some say that after someone who never heard about Jesus and the N.T. dies, God wil present him the Gospels and everything and he could choose whether to believe or not to.
This is not good news. If salvation is in my hands then I will certainly be damned. I know my heart and it is very wicked. I need a perfect savior, one who intercede for me and be an advocate to the Father on my behalf. A savior who keep me by his power. A savior who can raise the dead and change evil hearts. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our lord! Read Ephesians chapter 1!
I'm talking about the Lord of heaven and earth who has the POWER and AUTHORITY to save sinners from the clutches of Hell
Amen.
This is perfect! If one may be saved solely on their awareness of God's existence through nothing more than the observation of the physical world as well as possessing a strong moral center based on nothing more than one's own conscience... Or even just be saved because "they would have wanted to be saved ..".. then Chtist and Christianity are completely unnecessary and even best forgotten. 😉👃
//.. then Chtist and Christianity are completely unnecessary and even best forgotten.//
Perhaps you missed the part where Christ's atoning death is still necessary for salvation, even for those who never had a conscious knowledge of him. - RF Admin
It is not a problem. Amen
This doesn’t make any sense, if you can get to heaven based on your own sense of morality without ever hearing about Jesus then what’s the point of hearing about Jesus? You’ve just negated what the Bible says, that a person must accept the gift of Jesus’ sacrifice to be saved. If you say that just believing a god exists and follow you inherent sense of right and wrong then what’s the point of Christianity? There is no point. You’re getting to heaven regardless if you accept Christ or not in that scenario. You’ve just walked right into the problem in the joke about a missionary who tells the native tribe about Jesus. When they ask “would we have gotten into heaven if you had never come?” And he says “yes” they then ask, “well then why did you even come here? “ willian lane craig has once again tied himself into a philosophical conundrum by out-thinking himself .
It isn't only about the Hereafter, not only about making it to Heaven. Jesus also saves you as you still live, giving you inner peace and stability in this life.
@@richterbelmont04 I never found any “inner peace” in Jesus. Why would anyone find comfort in the strict , self hating, message of Jesus/Christianity?
@@bonsaitomato8290 Im sorry to bring this to you but if your understanding of Jesus/Christianity consist of self hatred, or hatred in the first place, you've either been completely mislead, or have never dealt with Christianity in depth to actually understand its teachings. I do not write this in an attempt to offend you, but what you just said sound like the typical uninformed atheist prejudice
@@richterbelmont04 I’m sorry to break this to you but I studied theology in college. When I say “self hatred” I am pulling this directly from the theological precept of atonement through the cross. Basically humanity is so terrible and wretched that according to Christian theology you are unworthy to be in the presence of god without the death of “perfect sacrifice “ .that’s basic to all Christian belief.
Think about that, you are so unworthy and decrepit that a person had to be tortured and killed to make you worthy. That’s the definition of low self esteem and depression based around this mindset and it’s rampant in the Christian religious community.
@@richterbelmont04 what is the basic reason for Jesus and his sacrifice? Doesn’t Christianity teach that you are a “sinner” and unworthy of god’s grace and only through the shedding of Jesus’ blood are you “redeemed “? That is the foundation of Christianity full stop. Doesn’t that message convey an indictment of you as a person? That’s self hatred.
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0:36 what?
How did Matyáš Dobrovolny deserve this?! Have you just prophisized his death in 2037? Dying at such a young age? You mosters!!!
My friends, the makers of this video; you have to understand one thing - and one thing only - so very well. The question that you pose here is a huge one, and the amount of different answers given is immense. Every self-proclaimed teacher of the Gospel has his answer ready and might make a video out of it and present it as it simply were the simple Biblical truth. Don't you see this?? You are only one of the very many, and your answer is not any better or worse than any of the other answers! Your answer does not have any meaning; not any more than anyone else's answer! Yours is a human understanding of Divine things, just like all others: it is all subjective opinions and interpretations and ideas! This goes not only for the subject presented in this video, but for any Scriptural subject: the understanding and explanation you - or anyone - give has no meaning. Only in case if you are somehow better than others; if you are infallible, then: yes. If not: no meaning whatsoever.
William Lane Craig, my friend: don't you see this? I saw you on some television program in the US and you explained - for example - that the Bible teaches that we are justified by faith alone. My good friend, with all respect: for you ten thousand others who give another doctrine on justification! How is this truth, my friend? We are talking Gospel here, that is: revealed divine truth! How is revelation a matter of interpretation and opinion?? The Gospel - Jesus' message regarding our salvation - is for us to ACCEPT: not to COMPOSE our own! My good friend: you must see this. What you do is meaningless: a human interpretation of a divine text remains utterly human - and thus fallible opinion - at all times. You will readily admit that you are fallible: well, this means that you admit that your understanding of Scripture can be FALSE and that you admit that it is possible that you preach a false gospel! Statistically you always loose - eternally - unless you deem yourself somehow Superior...
Study what the word apologetics means...
@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom Thank you, my friend, for your response. Here is what Google gave me: apologetics: "reasoned arguments or writings in justification of something, typically a theory or religious doctrine." To me that sounds like right on the nose. Now what is your point, Otangelo? For my point if quite clear, I think: your - or Craig's or mine or anyone's - reasoned arguments in justification of this or that religious doctrine do not mean anything, for all come up with their own opinions and interpretations. Everybody comes with their own reasoned arguments and all doctrines on the same subject are different for each person. Do you understand that? Again: everybody comes up with their own interpretations and opinions regarding the Biblical texts, which is thus all man-made and thus subjective and fallible and thus meaningless. Do you understand what I write, Otangelo?
@@pierreschiffer3180
The Need for Apologetics
Norman Geisler
www.bethinking.org/apologetics/the-need-for-apologetics
@@pierreschiffer3180 God gave us brains to use them. That doesn't mean we can totally fathom God or the works He does.
But what is revealed by Him in scripture is a valid bases for reasoning, up to a certain point/boundary.
Or are you going to argue that Paul went too far in what he wrote in his epistles? Romans and Hebrew contain a lot of reasoning based on scripture and revelation.
@@reasonandsciencecatsboardcom Thank you, my friend. The need for apologetics, you write? Most certainly: do you think I deny such? What point do you try to make? Especially when I see how everyone comes up with their own truth and gospel, I realize that the need for apologetics is very high in our days...
If a person responds to what they know about God, He will reveal more to them, so that they can be saved.
So , why did Jesus Christ died ?..If people can be save by what they know..yes even pagans beleive god exist but do they believe in The God of the Bible ? Yes pagans has also moral laws and some of them follow them , so will they also be save ?
The Bible clearly says "Jesus is the only way" "By Grace we are save through Faith"...
You don't want God to be unfair, do you? Fairness doesn't = justice. You don't want fairness, under which all would be fairly condemned, you want grace & mercy.
Grace is not a chance! Grace is a saving power! Romans 1:16.
You will be judged by what you do know? Nature and the moral law? God judges according to His standards.
Our eternity truely lies in our own hands? No, the bible teaches that it is God who saves, a gift NOT of ourselves but, from God! He saves us & He is the sovereign, holy, just,gracious creator of the Universe! He has all rights, authority & power to do according to His will, not ours!
This video starts with an obvious synergistic Armenian view, then it mixes with a molinist view, middle knowledge and ends in one of the most pelagianistic statements that can be made. This is not a biblical representation of the one true gospel.
@@IMPACTPodcasterAcademy Can you explain a little of what you mean, "...good philosophical points"?
@@IMPACTPodcasterAcademy Thank you for that. However, just to note. William Lane Craig frames his understanding of this in the mindset of, molinism (the idea of providence of God in light of human free will) and of, middle knowledge (God’s prevolitional knowledge of all true counterfactuals of creaturely freedom) and of, pelagianism (original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special divine aid or assistance).
Thus, Craig's presupposition leads to God not knowing everything or having power over everything, man having free autonomous will beyond God's power and complete control of the human purson to enter Heaven at his own choice, God not having authority over it, at all. This video is clear evidence of that and the implications are immense...
Someone watched the Dividing Line.
@@sukka4pain Ding, Ding! You win a Teddy bear, or something.... :-)
@@IMPACTPodcasterAcademy The answer to your statement is inferred by the statement in the vid, "our eternal destiny truely lies in our own hands" Minute 2:42
The DL episode on this... (starting at minute 50:50...)
ua-cam.com/video/XWs7rz6GqVw/v-deo.html
The problem is, why would god require this kind of belief?
Why would god not give us a Bible without contradictions?
Why would god favor those who ignorantly believe in the religion that they were raised in, as opposed to those who question and come to their own conclusions? Does god want us to be ignorant?
What about me who doesn't believe in the Christian god anymore? I'm going to hell, right?
That's such an absurd conclusion. If I grew up in medevil Europe, I know for a certainty that I would believe in the Christian god. I wouldn't have a choice. Everyone believed in him.
I only have been able to question god because of philosophy and the free time that I've had. It's easy to imagine the possible world where I do believe in god.
So why did god put me in this situation where it feels like disbelief is the only rational thing that I can do?
It seems like an evil thing to condemn a morally "good" person because they came to the wrong conclusion. "You put a 'F' instead of a 'T' on the last question. God damn. You must be damned by god."
What kind of justice is this? Why could god not have made a world that allows those who reason to come to the conclusion that god exists?
Why does hell have to exist at all?
Why do many of the moral principles that Christianity teaches change? Why would god present himself as unchanging, and then change? Why did present and then discard the law of moses?
For the benefit of the people at the time, right? But would it not have been better to have a perfect theology that doesn't need constant revision? Oh, the civilization wouldn't have accepted it, and god's religion wouldn't have persisted.
Why didn't god just give his prophets the instructions for making weapons that ensured their survival?
Oh that would've messed with agency? Then why did he send plagues in Moses' time? Why did he strike the man who touched the arc dead? Why does he at time, exercise instantaneous judgment contrary to agency? Oh, his ways are higher than ours? Oh, I think I found a defeater for theism Craig. Christians must fall onto the idea that god knows something that they don't, and therefore how can they know that such a god even exists? God requires faith, and hasn't made us as perfect truth detecting machines. The very fact that god made people like me that can reason to the point that god doesn't exist (I'm not justifying my belief for sinning. I'm married, and love Christian principles and all that jazz) is a kind of defeater for god's existence. (Don't just pick on that one statement, that's probably stupid. The rest is pretty good though.)
Very good video.
Could you please translate it to spanish, and the other ones too.
God bless you.
What about people who already have a religion and it is with God but not Jesus? This is all wishy washy.
If pagans can be saved through their understanding of "god" and sense of morality, then why send your "only begotten son" to die by crucifixion? And if this god already knows who is and who ain't going to be saved and places them in space and time accordingly, what's the point of making loopholes? Seems to me WLC is just desperate not to let his god look like the jerk he evidently is. Which is why they call it apologetics, I guess.
smitisan Irrefutably logical. Unfortunately, logic and reason are alien concepts among the god squad.